Topic: questions , questions please
My limited understanding is that certain proteins in dog kibble have naturally low Taurine such as lamb, rabbit and even beef has lower then chicken. Add in all the legumes which displaces the protein coming from meat and the high processing of kibble which lowers the taurine level even more? . Consumers believed that a food touted as high protein is what to look for in a feeding a quality kibble. But really it’s the meat, meat and more meat they need for adequate Taurine levels for heart health.
Now I WAS feeding as a base to freeze dried Stella’s Chewy’s after my dogs stopped eating Fromm. I was going by the Advisors reviews at the time from a few years ago when this kibble came out . It was before the FDA statement regarding grain free and dCM. At the time I was just looking for a 5 star food with an ABUNDANCE OF MEAT. Well it seems now that the advisor has changed his reviews of the exact same recipe/protein for Stella’s raw coated kibble to MODERATE AMOUND OF MEAT? So this tells me in his breakdown that yes those peas/legumes so high up on their list of ingredients IS displacing meat protein. So what caused him to change his review? He didn’t break it down right to begin with?
I can’t bring myself to give the WSAVA big three. What do you think of Wellness core small breed? I stopped ALL kibble but at times I give a little mixed in when I feed home cooked for them?
They claim grain is safe (it’s not) and have neglected to mention the connection of processed inferior ingredients to heart disease in dogs. Why is that?
Dr. Lisa Freeman – a veterinary nutritionist professor from Tufts University – has been very outspoken about grain free dog food’s link to dilated cardiomyopathy. She’s told everyone from the New York Times to readers of the Tufts vet school blog that “boutique grain-free” dog foods were responsible for the dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) cases.
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Unless Dr. Freeman considers Royal Canin, Purina and Diamond to be boutique pet foods – she’s wrong on her assessment of the problem. The truth is many different brands, mostly from medium to large manufacturers are linked to low taurine levels and the DCM diagnosis in dogs. Why would a veterinary professor attempt to sway pet owners away from small pet food brands?
Hold that thought.
In another statement, Dr. Lisa Freeman told the New York Times:
“Grains have not been linked to any health problems except in the very rare situation when a pet has an allergy to a specific grain.”
This one is simply unforgivable. Grains most certainly have been linked to serious health problems over many decades – the risk is mycotoxins. Mycotoxins – even at low levels – pose a serious risk to pets. Further, mycotoxins are an on-going problem. Earlier this year Biomin.net published the the 2018 Global Mycotoxin Threat stating grains in North American tested as “Extreme Risk“. Where do you think those ‘extreme risk’ grains end up? Hint: it’s not human food.
Telling pet owners to switch to a grain based pet food is just switching out one problem for another. So again, why would this veterinarian try to direct pet owners away from small pet food brands towards grain based pet foods when grains are a certain mycotoxin risk?
Again…hold that thought…there’s more…
Poor Digestibility of Ingredients
In 2003, the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine published “Taurine status in normal dogs fed a commercial diet associated with taurine deficiency and dilated cardiomyopathy”. This study found that processing and “poor digestibility” of ingredients played a role in canine heart disease. Why hasn’t any veterinary nutritionist investigating the DCM cases today discussed the risk of processing and inferior ingredient link to canine heart disease?
Perhaps it is because no veterinary nutritionist wants to talk about law being violated in pet food. Even though it is a direct violation of US Federal Law, pet food is allowed by FDA to contain ingredients sourced from “diseased animals or animals which have died otherwise than by slaughter”. Isn’t it common sense that sick, decomposing dead animals would provide inferior nutrition in pet foods? Add numerous processing stages to these inferior ingredients – is it any wonder the necessary amino acids are destroyed?
There is one more significant issue…
Endotoxins and Heart Disease
Briefly mentioned in the New York Times article was a clue to a completely different group of DCM diagnosed dogs; “But taurine levels in other affected dogs, including mixed breeds, are normal, which puzzles researchers.” In other words, some sick dogs have low taurine levels linked to DCM – but other dogs diagnosed with nutrition related DCM have normal taurine levels. Why are these dogs with normal taurine sick with heart disease? It might be endotoxins.
Endotoxins are ‘toxins’ that are released on bacterial death. Gram-negative bacteria such as Salmonella and or E. coli killed through cooking or processing of pet food ingredients ‘get even’ with their killers – they release a toxin that can be more dangerous to dogs and cats than the live bacteria.
Waste pet food ingredients such as “diseased animals or animals which have died otherwise than by slaughter” are certainly sources of massive levels of Salmonella an other gram-negative bacteria. When cooked/processed into pet food ingredients – they become sources of massive levels of endotoxins.
From “Endotoxin Effects on Cardiac and Renal Functions and Cardiorenal Syndromes” –
“Endotoxin plays a pivotal role in the pathogenesis of multi-organ dysfunction in the setting of gram-negative sepsis. Indeed, heart and kidney impairments seem to be induced by the release of circulating pro-inflammatory and pro-apoptotic mediators triggered by endotoxin interaction with immune cells.”
From “Low level bacterial endotoxin activates two distinct signaling pathways in human peripheral blood mononuclear cells” –
“Bacterial endotoxin, long recognized as a potent pro-inflammatory mediator in acute infectious processes, has more recently been identified as a risk factor for atherosclerosis and other cardiovascular diseases.”
In 2016, myself and an educated pet owner whose dog died from endotoxemia had a meeting with FDA. For more than an hour scientific evidence was submitted to FDA regarding the dangers to pets of endotoxin levels in pet food. FDA openly dismissed the risk. (To learn more about the risk of endotoxins in pet foods, Click Here.) Will FDA admit the link of heart disease to endotoxins in the pet foods? Doubtful.
Why are veterinarian nutritionists telling pet owners false information?
Why is no scientist, veterinarian, or FDA representative discussing the multiple links between inferior ingredients and high processing of ingredients to canine heart disease?
The blinders need to come off – a biased investigation does not benefit pets. Will investigators intentionally ignore issues as not in the best interest of industry? And how many more dogs will die because of what they ignored?
It’s a concern.
Update to original post. Dr. Michael W. Fox sent the following statement adding several good points:
“I would urge Dr. Lisa Freeman – a veterinary nutritionist professor from Tufts University, to reflect on the instances of dogs with seizures and inflammatory bowel, skin, ear and anal gland problems who return to good health when their diets no longer contain corn, cereal glutens and byproducts, and soy, many being GMO and contaminated with glyphosate among other agrichemicals and aflaxoxins.
Glyphosate blocks manganese uptake, a nutrient essential for many organ functions.” See: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274005953_Glyphosate_pathways_to_modern_diseases_III_Manganese_neurological_diseases_and_associated_pathologies
And “Aug 13, 2018 – Rachel Ray’s Dog Food, Nutrish, is marketed as being free of “[No] artificial flavors or artificial preservatives” and being a “Natural food for dogs” …
The current epidemic of DCM in dogs may have a multi-factor, pluricausal origin, genetics not withstanding. Lectins in GMO potatoes and in conventional pulses/legumes, when not properly processed are of concern. They may also play a role in the genesis of kidney failure especially when put in manufactured cat foods since cats are obligate carnivores, and in the development of autoimmune diseases.”(Editorials. Do dietary lectins cause disease? BMJ 1999;318:1023-1024 ( 17 April ).
Acana kibble food from the Kentucky plant nearly killed my cavalier king charles spaniel. He was very anemic and his GI tract was a mess. I didn’t know what to do. I began to research online day and night. I came across Dr. Judy Morgan, a holistic vet. What an eye opener! I watched all of her free webinar videos on you-tube, and then I watched all of her other you- tube videos. Wow. I had no idea that commercially prepared dry food is so HARD on a pet’s body, even when it’s a “good” food. Also, even when it is a “good” food, the sources for ingredients in commercial pet food can change and if the source is inferior the pet will suffer or even die. That is what happened to my dog. He nearly died. After watching the you-tube videos, I ordered Dr. Judy Morgan’s easy to read, small books on Amazon (they are not expensive). I read, “From Needles to Natural”, then I read ” Yin and Yang”, both in one day. At last, common sense, and from a veterinarian. I felt empowered to make his food. I bought a Cabela’s meat grinder (you can just buy a hand grinder for $15). I already had a small scale, which is necessary to weigh the ingredients, and I already had a food processor (but you can just chop the vegetables). I made my first batch of homemade pup loaf. My dog gobbled it up and he still goes crazy, eager to eat at every meal. The results have been miraculous. He is healed and is thriving. The “original” pup loaf recipe is the only one that I make because it includes ALL needed nutrients without having to add vitamins or minerals. The ingredients hardest to locate were local grass fed beef heart and grass fed beef liver (a local butcher took my order and provides it , but it can be ordered online) and the other ingredient that I had to locate was frozen cold water salt water mussels (the frozen pack that I buy are from Denmark), which I found next to the fresh seafood at Whole Foods. Everything else can be bought at your local grocery store. The original pup-loaf recipe will make exactly 4 dozen muffins. I wrap each one in foil, put a dozen per big zip lock bag and freeze. At night I take out enough pup muffins for the next day and put them in the fridge to thaw overnight. I weigh my dog every other day. I feed him to keep his weight at 15.2 lbs. (I stand on the scales while holding him to weigh him). He gets no grains at all in this diet. His cloudy eyes have cleared and he is full of energy. It isn’t necessary, but in addition to his pup muffins, we bake chicken thighs for him. We also finely mince and mix together a variety of fruit and vegetables. The chicken thighs can be frozen as well as the fruit and minced cooked vegetables. Soooo….each meal our dog gets: half of a pup-muffin, two tablespoons of minced baked chicken thigh meat and a tablespoon of cooked vegetables. His poops and his blood tests have been perfect. Praise the Lord!
Hello everyone: Just received information from Only Natural Pet on their new Pet food
called Mindful Meals…very interesting. I now have only fed my dog dehydrated food from
THK, IandYouandLove-etc. He is healthy and thrives. But, the “beard icky” every day is
such a problem to clean.He hates getting his beard & moustache washed from the food and if left to dry and stay it is smelly and turns yellowish. disgusting. I thought this food sounds like an excellent food for dogs, but thinking I hear “kibble” ( I think that is what it is, is not good for them. It is a newer product and was wondering if anyone on the forum has tried it, know of it and has any thoughts. thanks. Just looking to try and save him from all that face washing all the time, its tramatic although he puts up with it. I tried having it cut off, oh no horrors..he is a havanese (a big boy at 20#) and looked ridiculous without his moustache and beard! Appreciate any thoughts on this newer food if you have tried it or now of someone who has and the results- thanks
My question is a little bit layered but the main one is how much boiled chicken and rice for a bland diet should I feed my 26 lb dachund terrier mix? I have no idea if I’m supposed to do a cup twice a day or two cups twice a day? I’ve been doing one cup twice a day since yesterday. I don’t want to underfeed him.
Also, does anyone have any ideas why my dogs triglycerides were so high? Is that usually a cholesterol issue? My vet made me take him back after fasting and draw blood again yesterday. I’m concerned this is a serious issue. All his other blood work was great. The triglyceride was the only high abnormal level. His urine mircoalbumin canine reflex was elevated too. I have been having a hard time getting him to eat over the last few months. He has become very picky. I had comprehensive x rays done 2 weeks ago when he seemed to be in pain. He was tensed up and shaking for an entire night and had runny stool. He has slipped a disc in the past so I was worried it was a flare up of his IVD but the vet said it seemed ok in the x rays. His X-ray also showed moderate hip dysplasia. My biggest concern though is his eating. I just ordered a bag of Hills I/D naturals low fat. It’s a little better then the regular I/D in that it’s not full of corn and fillers. The fat content is 7%. My worry is the fiber content. It says 1.5%. Shouldn’t this be higher for a RX food? Should I be concerned with that? Overall, I’m just a worried mess over my dog and his sudden lack of interest in kibble and his shaking and stomach seeming to be upset. I want him to feel better fast.
Also, does anyone have any idea if Nutro Healthy Weight would be a better substitute for a low fat food for him? Is that a decent food? The fat content is 7% on that and the fiber is 11%. I’m wondering if I should just return the RX and go with the Nutro. So confused! Any ideas would be great.
I used to be only a cat dad. I recently adopted a puppy. I am a big believer in the best cat food, and I am so happy to see that this forum exists for dog food. I am still going through all the posts to learn as much as I can.
I have a question for now – does anyone bring their dog to a holistic or natural vet in NYC or the tri-state area? The vets I have been bringing my puppy to seems to be overprescribing / oversuggesting Hill’s and other big brand names.
Independent or good dog vet recommendations are appreciated as well.
I have bought supplements for my senior dogs, both 10 years old, to help with their joints so I am getting the glucosonine, chondroitin sulfate, MSM, calcium and have started also buying frozen mackerel and sardines recently for omega 3 and arthritis, especially my big lab (not fat).
Question is: how many mid size sardine fish should I give my 77 lbs lab and 37 lbs beagle? Both could stand to shed 2 pounds and are still very active, but lab has slowed down considerably. And at what frequency or intervals?
Question 2 – do I still need to give them their daily supplements along with the sardine fish, or is the latter good enough, or would it be too much together or unnecessary?
I have 2 Supplements – Pro-Sense Joint Solutions, Advanced strength (4 tablets for lab; 2 for Beagle x) and another (not open yet) +PetNaturals of Vermont Hip + Joint tablets (would be in the same portion amounts as the latter).
Or, again,if there are better supplements (since these do not show omaga 3), I’m open to recommendations for senior dogs with Arthritis who already eat fresh sardines, but cooked cuz my lab won’t eat a raw fish. He’ll take it and walk off but won’t rip into it like the other.
Thank you! I know this was long to read! Am looking forward to hear your advice.
**This is cross posted in the raw diet section as well**
I’ve recently made the plunge into raw diet feeding for my own dogs. However, one mistake that I certainly made was not double checking the sodium content prior to starting my conversion. I suppose I had just assumed that raw diets would naturally be lower in sodium, but alas, I don’t think that’s the case 🙁 Here’s a little background:
I have an 11Y, MN, 4.5# chihuahua who was diagnosed with heart disease almost 2 years ago [DMVD]. Last week I started switching him over on the Stella and Chewy’s frozen raw [turkey] and he has been doing wonderfully on it so far. He also gets a slew of supplements like Ubiquinol, Krill Oil, Glycoflex 3, Hawthorn Extract, and PerioSupport. As of right now, I have not had to start any medications, and his next ultrasound will be this June/July. His last ultrasound was in January. He also gets the occasional grain free greenie (he loves them 🙁 )
While I was not told to start a restricted sodium diet with him, I would really like to stay on the lower end of the spectrum to keep his heart from having to work too hard. With that in mind, I reached out to Stella and Chewy’s on Facebook and inquired about their lowest sodium/patty formulation and was answered with Chicken. The chicken dinner according to the CSR is 0.14% sodium, and when I calculated out the mg/100kcal, It was nearly 100mg!
Keep in mind that following the Tufts University list of recommended low sodium/appropriate protein diets for the cardiac patient, the range is somewhere between 50-80 mg/100kcal. It shocked me that the raw food is nearly double what some of these dry foods contain 🙁
Unless I am doing my math wrong (which is totally possible!), does anyone else know of low sodium commercial raw diets that are available? I don’t think I’m ready to prepare my own meals just yet as this is already a big deal to switch my dogs over as it is.
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