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  • Betsy Greer

    Awesome! : )

  • Crazy4cats

    Two thumbs up on the Firm Up dried pumpkin/apple supplement! There has been a noticeable difference. Thanks!

  • Hound Dog Mom
  • Melissaandcrew

    Lol. They are known for their vocalizations, that’s for sure.

  • Cyndi

    Dogs that have had it with the family cat. So cute!!

    http://rats-funnybone.com/19-dogs-who-have-completely-had-it-with-the-family-cat/

  • Cyndi

    Lol! I heard a sound come out of 2 mini schnauzers one time that made me cringe. It sounded like they were screaming. I vowed right then and there that I would never get a schnauzer, lol!

  • Melissaandcrew

    Lol..Typical schnauzer drama queen!!!!

  • Jeremy

    Those treats do look pretty excellent, thanks for sharing :)

  • LabsRawesome

    Hahaha, with all the crying/whining, she hyper-ventilated. She definitely loves her Momma! :)

  • Cyndi

    OMG!!! That would have scared the crap out of me!! Lol! That was so cute though!

  • LabsRawesome

    LoL. Dog missed her owner really bad! So bad, she passed out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp03AorAWLY&list=UU14nwA6euJoytshwDMJZajg?rel=0

  • Crazy4cats

    I bought mine at Amazon too. It smells good!

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Dori,

    I’ve been buying mine on Amazon. They have the “original” formula that’s pumpkin and apple pectin; and one with cranberry for urinary tract support.

    They have a smaller size also, but here’s a link for the one pound bag (which is the equivalent of 12 cans of pumpkin): http://www.amazon.com/Firm-Up-Pumpkin-1-pound/dp/B00EG0LFHC/ref=sr_1_1?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1406493614&sr=1-1&keywords=firm+up

  • Crazy4cats

    Thanks for the reply. Actually, I did learn about it from you and passed it on to Betsy, but hadn’t ordered it til now. Lol! The directions give hydrated amounts, I believe. Wasn’t sure if I halfed that amount to get how many tablespoons. Anyway, I put in two TBPs today with water. My dogs are both 80lbs. We’ll see what happens.

  • Dori

    Hi Jan. What is Firm Up and where do I buy it? Thx.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I doubt anyone here uses this, but just in case, we found some blue plastic bits in canned 9 Lives cat food we’re feeding at my shelter. So look out!

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I know, I was the same. I’m glad I found this. I don’t even remember how I found out about it lol.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi C4C,

    Sorry, I just saw this after Jan replied. She’s been using Firm Up more regularly (pun) than I have and for longer than I have.

    I find it incredibly convenient, far more so than canned pumpkin. I don’t use it every day, but think I’ll start using it more often for my Cavalier, particularly. I think I originally tried it for Sam, but I’ve finally gotten him pretty well settled without it. But, I caught Bella scooting today so I took her back to the kitchen and put a teaspoon each of Firm Up and coconut oil in her bowl and she ate it right up.

    At first I was adding water to it – the first bag said to mix with water, but the one pound bag I just bought says mix with water or feed dry.

    I love that the bag says 100% grown, harvested, made and packaged in the USA!

  • Betsy Greer

    I would never use a can of pumpkin completely before I started wondering how long it had been open and if it was still good, etc. The Firm Up is much better for me because of that alone!

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    Sorry to hi jack this but I’d like to comment on Firm Up. I’ve been using it for about 3 months now (I actually told Betsy about it)….anyway, I love the stuff and so do the dogs. I haven’t had any anal gland problems lately (knock on wood, lol) and part of it due to adding Firm Up, I’m sure. Of course, the other things I’m doing are playing a part like the food I’m using, the probiotic I’m adding etc. but the Firm Up is great. I started out using 1 tsp in their morning and evening meals. Now I’m just adding 1/2 tsp to each meal. I believe it tells you how much to add per weight of the dog on the bag. At least my bags did. I plan on keeping this on hand as long as I have dogs and cats. I love it much better than canned pumpkin, for sure!

  • SandyandMila

    Thanks, I hope so.

  • Cyndi

    Awwww, well, you’ll get her back to where she was. Hopefully it’s all cleared up and she can get back to her beautiful self soon. Not that she’s not still beautiful, but…..you know what I mean, lol! The more time that passes I bet, the better she’ll start looking and feeling and I’m sure those itchy spots will go away.

  • SandyandMila

    Sometimes I have problems accessing this site from my phone so I haven’t been on in awhile. She’s doing well. She took 3 albon tabs for 7 day, which ended Thursday, so fingers crossed I’m hoping it’s all cleared up. Her skin and fur hasn’t looked and felt the same since those darn vaccs and she’s got some itchy hairless spots, but not red or oozing like a hot spot. A bit discouraging after all the long, hard work to get her healthy after the vaccs last year. :( So I’ve just been nursing her back to try to clear it up. I’ve even had her on raw but she hasn’t really liked it much other then the RMBs. Just think I need to rotate a few other proteins maybe? She still gets her eggs, sardines, coconut oil, etc to help with her skin and bathe her frequently.

  • SandyandMila

    She had her last dose of Albon Thursday and I was told to wait a few weeks before doing another fecal test. But I’m hoping it’s all cleared up. Thanks for thinking of her. :)

  • Cyndi

    Hi Sandy, not sure if you posted an update and I missed it, but I was wondering how Mila is doing? Hopefully the coccidia is cleared up and she’s doing better. You’ve come too far with her to let anything get in the way of her health, lol! I hope she’s doing well! :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi-
    How is your pup doing? Is the Coccidia finally gone?

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Betsy-
    How is the Firm Up working for you. I ordered some also. It looks and smells good! I hope it works out because it seems easier to deal with than the canned pumpkin. How much do you add to your dogs’ meals?

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Jeremy,

    I was also excited to see that Dr. Tim’s has recently added some really great looking treats to their product offerings.

    http://drtims.com/genuine-treats/

  • LabsRawesome

    Omg I’ve watched that trailer like 10 times. I can’t wait for season 5. I hope Rick bites someone elses throat out. That was epic!!! Seriously, the most bad a** thing I’ve ever seen. :)

  • Annie

    Yep that’s the one I apparently overlooked it due to not knowing it was made by pmi. Same exact ingredients. Thanks betsy for posting it for me.

  • Betsy Greer

    I know!! I saw it!! That’s some seriously crazy stuff!!

  • Jeremy

    You can actually take a lot of the same criteria used to review food here and just apply it to the treats. I.E. avoid controversial ingredients like artificial colors and preservatives, fillers and other things that shouldn’t be in the food shouldn’t be in the treats either. For a few good brands you could try the Sojos treats, they make a grain free and a recipe with graintoo, but almost all the ingredients are things you have in your kitchen if you do any baking. I also really like the Stella and Chewies freeze dried treats, they seem to be really palatable for most dogs and usually just one ingredient too.

  • Jeremy

    Have you tried any of the raw food diets for your poor little doggy? Sometimes the enzymes in the raw food can actually help with the IBD, or you can add in some probiotics and digestive enzymes. I like the Herbsmith companies Micro-flora plus, it has a high count of probiotics, prebiotics and six different digestive enzymes as well as blister packing so the CFUs don’t activate from the moisture in the air before you use them. Another product you can try is the E3live supplement, it’s blue green algae from OR, organically harvested and safety tested. It might help to relieve some of the sensitivities that could be causing the IBD. Hope this helps and best wishes for a healthy happy doggy :)

  • Bobby dog

    Betsy:
    Off topic, but there is a new trailer on AMC’s website for S5 of the WD. Much better then the preview they showed on 7/4. It looks soooo good, can’t wait for S5!!!!

  • Betsy Greer

    If you’re referring to Exclusive made by PMI, it has been reviewed: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/exclusive-dog-food-dry/

  • Annie

    Mike, can u review the purina exclusive?

  • David
  • Ashley Charlotte Lutz

    Is there a similar site to this reviewing dog treats? I’m trying to decide what dental treats to give my greyhound and while Greenies and Whimzees both look good I’d love a review/comparison like the food here!

  • SandyandMila

    I’ve read of it on here, I believe, but I’m not too informed of it. Maybe others on here who have experience with senior dogs can help recommend something for you if the natural ones don’t work.

  • AnaG.

    Same here. Not sure I should try the Seresto collar. Both of my dogs are on the older side, 12 and 10 yrs old, and the oldest has had terrible pancreatitis. I don’t wantto take a chance and maybe create another problem.
    Have you heard of amber collar?

  • AnaG.

    Haha thanks! And yes, do not move here if you don’t want to deal with these buggers! Lol

  • sue66b

    The use by dates are Nov 14, thats only 4 months left on the kibble… I get the Eukanuba vet prescription diet ‘Intestinal’ & the use by date is May15, so nov 14 would of been sitting on the shop shelves & dogs would of gotten sick. Proctor & Gamble said that there has been no reports of illness… yeh right…thats awful..thank-you for the link. I hate my boy being on the vet diet but everytime I start to change him over to a new kibble he gets real ill with his IBD, so now Im trying the Wellness Simple so far things have been OK… I hope Wellness has had no recalls..

  • Cyndi

    I think this might be an old recall. But, this is the 2nd time I’ve seen it posted in the last couple days, so…

  • Cyndi
  • Melissaandcrew

    I hear that! The humidity here in NY can be stiffling. Dogs stay inside 99 percent of the time in the account.

  • aimee

    Perhaps it is clarified better someplace in the book but the recipes are found on line in various sources without any further information.

    At this source and in amazons book preview “Substitute 1½ to 2 tsp bone meal (6 to 8 grams) per 1 tsp of eggshell powder, and vice versa.”

    Looking at the two brands I referred to that is either 1200-1600 mg or 3000-4000 mg Ca

    http://www.dogaware.com/articles/wdjlowfatdietsamples.html

    It seems he is treating all bone meal the same. If he wants the users of his recipe to use a product that delivers a certain number of mg Ca/tsp he needs to incorporate that information into the recipe so the information doesn’t get separated from it.

  • Crazy4cats

    It’s a very beautiful state. We have a little of everything here. Snow capped mountains, desert, rivers, lakes and ocean beaches. However…. with the beautiful green forests, comes a LOT of rain! Many grey drizzly winter days. It doesn’t bother me, but some people can’t take it. It just makes the couple months of summer we have, even better!

  • SandyandMila

    I visited a friend of mine about 5 years ago for Thanksgiving when she lived in Tacoma, and I really liked it out there. Felt very homey. We haven’t been in the 90s yet but it’s sure felt like it with the humidity.

  • SandyandMila

    Yeah, no diarrhea. She’s been on raw now so her poops have been firm and small. I’ve even tried for the past week adding pumpkin seeds or DE with calcium betonite clay but I guess hasn’t worked, but it has helped her skin recover from the hives. I’m sure the meds will clear it.

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, in western WA state. The east side of the state has been on fire. We just don’t usually have this kind of heat. We get excited and put on shorts and tank tops when it hits 70 degrees here. LOL! It has cooled down here today as well, but back in the 90′s for the rest of the week. Yuck!

  • Crazy4cats

    I agree. It’s just surprising to me that she doesn’t have any symptoms. I really thought it would be negative this time. My dog had very terrible diarrhea when he had it. It went away very quickly after the meds though. Unlike the giardia. Good luck. It sounds like she’s in good hands.

  • losul

    I’m familiar with that recipe because it’s the only one in his book that uses grain (rice), and it’s one of the four recipes that he specifies for use only for dogs requiring low fat. He also explicitly specifies that these 4 recipes are Not to be used for puppies.

    I’ve misplaced my book at the moment, but I know he goes into more detail on the bonemeal calcium standards he is looking for. If someone finds it vague, it’s because they aren’t really reading the book. The kelp he is adding for iodine and a bit of sodium, the other minerals in kelp would be relatively inconsequential.

  • SandyandMila

    Are you in WA state? Ugh, it’s been so humid in MA. We’re suppose to be getting t-storms the next few days, I’m hoping it’ll cool us down a little.

  • SandyandMila

    Thanks. I wish they would have prescribed the albon treatment after the initial findings and maybe this second one would have been negative. Now in a few weeks I’ll have to pay another $18 for the fecal floatation test to be done. Oh well, as long as the medicine works and she’s cleared, I guess it’s worth it.

  • Crazy4cats

    Oh yes, complete angels! Only when they’re sleeping, though.

  • aimee

    I don’t have Steve’s book but found this recipe from amazon preview

    12 oz. ground beef, 95% lean
    12 oz white rice, cooked
    6 oz red leaf lettuce
    1 oz beef liver
    1 oz beef heart
    1 ½ tsp bonemeal
    ¾ tsp hempseed oil (can substitute ¾ tsp walnut oil or 1 ½ tsp canola oil)
    ¼ tsp cod liver oil
    ¼ tsp kelp

    20 to 100 IUs (1 to 5 drops) Vitamin E

    This recipe yields 1,015 kcal (24 kcal/oz) and has 24 grams of fat per 1,000 kcal. The omega-6:-3 ratio is 4:1.

    There are 2 ingredients that caught my eye kelp and bone meal as I thought they may vary significantly.

    I searched bone meal powder and took information from the first 2 brands that gave nutritional information about them.

    NOW brand reported 800 mg Ca/ tsp and KAL 1998 mg Ca/tsp.

    Using NOW brand I’d be adding 1200 mg Ca and with KAL about 3000 mg Ca.

    AAFCO min for main is 1.7 grams/1000 kcals. This recipe is 1015 kcals. According to the provided nutritional information using Now brand bone meal powder the Ca level doesn’t meet AAFCO, it would however meet NRC.

    I’d consider “bonemeal” to be vague as there are many companies with variations in product.

  • Bobby dog

    That is adorable!! Hard to believe those stories about eating socks and stuff!!! lol

  • Crazy4cats

    Sorry to hear about the coccidia, but I’m confident that she will get rid of it quickly.

  • SandyandMila

    Unfortunately I have to report that Mila’s second stool sample still contained coccidia. :( She’ll be beginning the albon treatment treat on Friday when I can afford to pick up the medicine. Hopefully the coccidia will be gone after she takes the albon 3 times a day for 7 days. They made a note of her vaccine reaction and will be holding off on the lepto vaccine and premedicating and seperating the others but I’m not getting the others so I won’t have to worry about that. So kinda bummed out to her the news today about he coccidia, but glad she’ll be starting the treatment soon to get rid of it.

  • Crazy4cats

    Here’s my “hot dogs” enjoying our fancy new air conditioner. This heat is killing us Washingtonians.

  • aimee

    I think it is a reasonable assumption that the authors were blinded as to who wrote the recipes. This would be preferred to remove any bias either real or perceived.

    In regards to Ca/P ratio I provided the information I found : There is no recommended ratio in NRC discussion of Ca and P ( pg 147-156) or in the NRC nutrient recommendations ( pgs 354-370). I posted a screen shot from Small Animal Clinical Nutrition which questioned the importance of a particular ratio and reported that as long as the needs were met, by default the ratio would be ideal. I used the oat recipes as examples of how taking in account bioavailability could influence a ratio.

    The respected sources I used downplayed the significance of a ratio. It was/is a puzzle to me as to where the ratio originated from. If you have a credible source that explains it I’m all ears.

    Back to Balance it, you wrote “NONE of these recipes meet AAFCO standards for Ca/P ratio”

    I contacted Balance It and asked about the ratios in their recipes as I assumed that Balance it formulated to meet AAFCO and that would mean the ratio needed to be 1:1.- 2:1

    Dr. Delaney replied “AAFCO doesn’t require a specific calcium to phosphorus ratio when the
    requirement for each nutrient is to be met on an energy basis. When the
    requirements need to be considered on a dry matter basis (for lower
    energy density foods, less than 3500-4000 kcal ME/kg dry matter) then
    AAFCO requires a ratio of 1:1 to 2:1 (calcium to phosphorus) and passing
    recipes from BalanceIT.com would meet this required ratio…….there has been debate to add a Ca:P ratio to the AAFCO requirement on an energy basis, but this has not been passed/adopted.”

    Interesting! I always thought that AAFCO applied the ratio to all diets but it does not. Using your posted example I calculated the energy density of the diet as a little over 4400 kcals/kg DM in which case the ratio doesn’t apply.

    Since there is no AAFCO standard for a ratio in diets over 4000 kcal/kg DM I don’t see how you can say the recipes don’t meet it. : )

    The recipe is AAFCO compliant in that regard.

    I’m not sure who “they” is (“It’s not even clear whether they…) the study authors have no connection to Balance it. The study makes it quite clear that the comparisons were to NRC’s RA MR and AAFCO.

    Though not specifically stated it looks to me that Balance it uses AAFCO as the ranges in the nutrient profile match up to AAFCO. But I didn’t check all nutrients or if Balance it is using the proposed AAFCO changes.

  • Crazy4cats

    I’m hoping for a fast recovery! Best wishes. :)

  • Dori

    Thanks Cyndi, You’re sweet as always and always caring.

  • Shawna

    Hi Dori,

    You are in my thoughts and prayers for a successful surgery and speedy recovery… You mention you can’t be on the computer but if you are going stir crazy and want to talk, give me a call. I think you know the best times to reach me!! :)

  • Cyndi

    Dori, I hope everything is ok! My thoughts and prayers are with you for a speedy recovery. Hope things are going ok for you otherwise. Take care of yourself. We’ll be thinking about you! :)

  • Dori

    Thanks Sharron. I hope so too. I’m signing off for now and shutting the computer till I’m feeling better. Do keep me posted as to how Lexee does. I love her name by the way. I have a 4 year old great niece who’s name is Lexee. Cute cute name.

  • sharron

    thanks dori – i wish you all the best for tomorrow and hope your recuperation will be a short one – take care

  • Dori

    Hi Sharron. Sorry, I’m having surgery tomorrow and had to have a lot of lab work done today. I’ll be off the computer for a bit while I recuperate. Yes, I don’t see why you can’t to her dry food. Just remember whatever you are going to feed her for the day, divide into two meals. Breakfast and dinner. I, as others, are not thrilled with Royal Canin but there does come a time where you have to feed your individual dog what works for them. My dogs are all on raw diets, raw fruits and veggies but I realize that at some point when Hannah (bladder and lung cancer) may have to eat something else. Whatever will keep her happy and somewhat healthy. Though I am a strong believer in the raw diet, a number of years ago I had a Tibetan Terrier with liver cancer, too far gone to do anything for her. At that point all she would eat was chicken mcnuggets. I hope that when my time comes someone will buy me hot fudge sundaes, pizza and a big mac. LOL!. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. As I said Sharron, I’ll be off the computer for a bit but not cause I’m trying to dis anybody, I’m just gonna veg out and recuperate. My best to you and Lexee. Just don’t feed her too many toppers or fruits and veggies. They should be around 20% of her main diet for the day, not per meal.

  • sharron

    ok – thanks a lot

  • Crazy4cats

    Ok, alright. It’s kinda cute. : /

  • aquariangt

    yes, there are 16 tablespoons in a cup, so that would be fine

  • Hound Dog Mom
  • sharron

    thanks – she gets 1/2 cup/day – so i’m thinking a tbsp per feeding of the topper – does that sound reasonable?

  • aquariangt

    not dori, but-as a general rule, you want to keep any sort of toppers less than 20% of her meal, as they aren’t balanced

  • sharron

    hi dori – hope your day is going well – got rid of the canisource, home made stuff and the broth – today at the grocery store i bought, roll each of frozen extra lean turkey, bison, and ground beef – can i cook these and a bit to her dry food (not all at the same time) and how much should she get per meal – i put her back on royal canin – i know it’s not the best but it works for lexee, just can’t get her to eat it plain -
    thanks again

  • Dori

    Be glad to help with anything I can if I’ve had experience with your dogs issues. I’m pretty well versed at this point with the topic of canine allergies and intolerances though I will admit I certainly don’t know all, I guess just what I’ve discovered dealing with Katie and her allergies, intolerances and environmental allergies too.

  • sharron

    yes others have mentioned that they won’t correspondence with me anymore – that’s fine with me..whatever. going to put lexee back on the acana regionals (grain free)
    thanks for your help – really do appreciate

  • sharron

    hi – thanks for your help – threw out the home made stuff – she’s not as bad now as she was this morning – she hasn’t eaten anything – to be on the safe side, going to keep her on acana regionals (grain free) and, if i have to, will add a bit of can to it so she will eat it – it’s easier to pull teeth
    than getting her to eat plain dry food.
    that’s why i was adding the home cooked stuff

  • aquariangt

    had to look up light and fit-we can’t get acana classics here:

    Chicken meal, steel-cut oats, deboned chicken, whole potato, peas, pea fiber, sun-cured alfalfa, chicken liver, whole egg, deboned flounder, chicken fat, herring oil, whole apples, whole pears, sweet potato, pumpkin, butternut squash, parsnips, carrots, spinach, cranberries, blueberries, kelp, chicory root, juniper berries, angelica root, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, lavender.

    Since she has continued to react to the homemade with canisource, I’d wager it’s either the rice or the barley. could be oats since dogs (and people) can react differently to steel cut and rolled, but I would try ditching the white rice first. As I said before, it’s not that nutritious for a dog anyway. Try the other canisource recipe, or check out the honest kitchen, see spot live longer, sojos, urban wolf etc.. as they all have rice free options

  • sharron

    yes she vomited it all up – i was feeding her acana light and fit and she was ok with that when i was able to get her to eat it – she hates dry dog food

  • Dori

    Hi Sharron. I just went onto the canisource dog food site. Chicken is a pretty high source of allergies as I’ve discovered in researching foods for my one girl that is allergy prone. But, is it possible that Lexee is also allergic to grains i.e. the barley or the rolled oats or both. Have you tried one of their grain free formulas. Maybe it’s not the chicken but it’s the grains. I would start there (that was the first thing I did with Katie), then I went the all poultry, fowl, etc. free and it did wonders.

    By the way, we would never think “oh it’s her again” of you. Some others in the past ??? definitely. LOL! But not you, you seem genuinely concerned for Lexee and I would love to be able to help anytime.

  • aquariangt

    what do you mean “brought up the whole works”? Did she vomit it back up? Did she break out? Were you mixing the canisource on the last time as well?

    If yes to the above, I would assume its the rice, barley, oats, or one of the vegetables, but you’ll need to compare again to something that didn’t cause problems

    What kind of kibble were you feeding that DOESNT cause a breakout?

  • sharron

    hi – thanks for replying – the canisource (dehydrated raw) has white rice, barley and rolled oats – the reaction started as soon as i started mixing the home cooked food. she has had broccoli and was ok with it – the last time i cooked for her, it was lean hamburger, white rice and veggies, she brought up the whole works about an hour later.

  • aquariangt

    if kibble that contains chicken doesn’t do anything, it’s probably not that. White Rice is a common allergy, and not that healthy to boot. Does the kibble you fed have rice? what about broccoli? When trying to pinpoint an allergy you need to compare what you are feeding that is causing a breakout and compare it to the food you fed previously that wasn’t causing a breakout

  • sharron

    hi – i do realize how the site works and was thinking “it’s her again” – not trying to cause any problems for anyone – just thought it was me. my question is: i have been giving lexee cooked chicken breast, white rice, and broccoli mixed together with canisource dehydrated raw – since doing this she has been licking, scratching miserably and wonder if it’s the chicken that is causing it – she doesn’t do it with kibble that contains chicken

  • Dori

    Hopefully you realize that we are not employees or volunteers of DFA. We’ve all found this site in our search for help with our pets. When anyone of us including you thinks we can help we try to be there for each other. If you would please repeat your question I’ll try to help. I can’t seem to find the question. I’m not on the site as often as I once was because I’m dealing with one of my dogs having bladder and lung cancer.

  • SandyandMila

    I was trying to add links to my post before but it wasn’t happening on my phone, I apologize. I’m glad you looked into it and are going the more natural route. I can’t blame you if you try other routes too if it doesn’t work as well with the size of the fleas you get. The vet assistant was really pushing I try Seresto and it can work for a period of upto 5 months but I’ve read mixed reviews so I’m not sure how effective it’d be? Wondercide also sells skin products like bars of soap that could help you if your dog has a reaction. Good luck!

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    I’ve sprayed my yard with Wondercide, garlic spray and neem oil spray. My dogs and fosters don’t seem to have flea issues. But my personal dogs have also been on garlic for a year as well. One year I put out beneficial nematodes and noticed a great reduction in ant piles as well.

  • Cyndi

    Note to self: Do NOT move to Texas! Lol! I don’t think I’d like ginormous mutant fleas! Florida is out too, I’ve heard not so good things about fleas there too! Good Luck AnaG.

  • Shawna

    Yes you can but the home made food is not even remotely balanced so, on a regular basis, you shouldn’t add any more than about 20% of the unbalanced food to the balanced food.

    And you shouldn’t feed the home made chicken, rice and broccoli food on it’s own for more than 4 to 6 weeks. I would use only limited amounts of rice too as rice has anti-nutrients that make it harder for the body to digest protein.

  • AnaG.

    Hey all, thanks for answering. I saw the wondercide website and am ordering one bottle to try out. I don’t like putting those chemicals on my babies either and I’ve tried several natural ways to get rid of the fleas. However, Texas fleas are not normal fleas!! It’s like they are ginormous mutants who won’t die! Lol
    Both of my dogs have allergies to flea bites so it’s awful to see the after results of a product that does not work. I never had this kind of flea problem before moving to Texas so any tip is welcomed. I’ll certainly try the natural route before going to the chemicals but if they don’t work, I want to have the best option that will work.
    Again thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.

  • aquariangt

    what was your question?

  • Cyndi

    Usually it depends on who is on here when you post your question. Sometimes, someone is able to answer it right away, when they see it, but also, if you post it when none of the regulars are on here, your question can get “lost”. Especially with the way Disqus has been acting up lately. Try posting your question again, and maybe one of the regulars can answer it. Don’t take it personally. If people just missed it, they can’t answer it. Not everyone’s question get answered…

  • sharron

    i’m talking days or not at all

  • Cyndi

    Yeah, that one is funny.

  • Cyndi

    Maybe someone who could answer never saw your question. The very knowledgeable people on this site aren’t on here 24/7. If they happen to come on here a few hours after you posted your question, they may not have seen it…

  • sharron

    i’m curious as to why it is so difficult to get an answer to my questions

  • SandyandMila

    The new kibbles n bits commercial is funny, with the talking dog and puppet paw. lol

  • Cyndi

    I know, right! My vet almost insisted I buy flea products from them. I just politely say no thank you and change the subject. I hate those flea product commercials too, especially that one with the puppies singing, Advantix or Advantage or whatever. Same with the dog food commercials for Purina or Pedigree. They sure make their products sound like they’re the best. Totally false advertising at it’s finest!

  • SandyandMila

    Not surprisingly vets usually recommend those products, I was given a free month sample of Advantix given to me in a cute green binder where I can keep Mila’s medical records. Of course when I told them I use natural products they didn’t recommend I do so even after I told them what happened last year after using Frontline, I cringe whenever I see a Frontline commercial. Liars!! lol

  • SandyandMila

    There’s lots of great natural products you could use as simple as adding garlic to the diet, using apple cider vinegar in a spray bottle or adding it to the dog’s bath. Or using having a chopped up lemon sit overnight in water that has been boiled in a pot. And I’ve used sprays with naturals oils that you can purchase at petco, pet smart, and probably your local pet store by Vets Best, Pet Naturals, Sentry natural defense, and Dr Becker even sells one on the mercolapets site. Wondercide is a company started by a concerned pet owner with natural ingredients in sprays for your pet, you and home. This product is new to my local pet store so I haven’t used it, but I am definitely planning on getting a spray for my dog. She has very sensitive skin, as healthy as she is, and products like frontline and advantix only attract fleas even more to her so I rather use a natural product that won’t harm her. Maybe you can find wondercide locally, it’s worth a shot.

  • Cyndi

    :) Just telling it like it is…

  • USA Dog Treats

    BRAVO!!!!

  • Cyndi

    Well, I, for one, do not use flea products like that anymore. The first thing about the one in the link you shared that caught my eye was the warning for Humans “Harmful if absorbed through the skin. Avoid contact with skin.” But they want me to put this on my dog’s skin? Uhhhh, no! If it’s not good enough for me, it’s NOT going on my dog.

  • AnaG.

    Hi everyone, i found this product from Bayer and was wondering if anyone ever tried it. It seems to have the same ingredients as k9 advantix ii but for a cheaper price. I don’t get it why because it is the same company. Any thoughts? Thanks for the help.
    Here’s the link
    http://www.petsmart.com/food-health/spot-ons-creams/bayer-defense-care-3-pack-flea-tick-dog-protection-zid36-23265/cat-36-catid-100044?var_id=36-23265&SelectionCacheKey=56-80+lbs%7C&_t=pfm%3Dcategory

  • AnaG.

    Hey Jeremy, thanks. I was trying to stay away from spot on treatments and collars but it’s pretty much impossible here in Houston. I’m looking at the wondercide website you mentioned. Thanks for the help.

  • Bunker

    Currently I am buying raw patties for my dog. I am thinking about purchasing some raw protein mixes from a local raw food co-op but I am a bit hesitant. Has anyone purchased raw food from co-ops?

  • losul

    “I have to consider that the authors of the study were blinded to the authors of recipe except for vet/non vet.”

    Is that an assumption on your part, or does the study state that? If so, why would that be? Because somehow, I find it highly unlikely.

    “I don’t think the study authors have any obligation to match a particular author back with a recipe and provide that information to whoever requests it.”

    I disagree completely. They named the authors and shot down their recipes. They owe it to the authors to explain. By not do so, the question of their credibility and motives, becomes even more pertinent.

    Your reply about the Ca/P ratios was not satisfying to me. You downplayed the significance when oatmeal was involved, because some of the phosphorus in oatmeal is bound in the form of phytates. I later found other balanceit recipes not involving oatmeal in which the Ca/P ratio was inverted. NONE of these recipes meet AAFCO standards for Ca/P ratio.

    It’s not even clear whether they go by NRC reccomendations, AAFCO standards, or just there own standards as they see fit, in both the studies and for the Balanceit formulations.

  • losul

    It seems to be a thing with these “academics” to “screw up” the vitamin D levels in these same types of hyped and over publicized “studies” and then later make unpublicized “corrections”

    Why is that, and WTF?

    I ran across this one while researching something unrelated last night. This one is from 2001 involving vitamin D, Steve’s Real food for dogs, which Steve Brown owned at the time, I believe, and a later retraction;

    “10/1/01 A correction has been published that retracts the observation that the vitamin D content for the
    Steve’s brand diet was excessive. oaklandvet.com editor note”

    OOPS!!!!

    http://web.archive.org/web/20070930162638/http://www.oaklandvet.com/rawdiet.html

  • sharron

    hi – i made up a batch of home made food consisting of cooked, cut up chicken breasts, white rice and broccoli. Can i add this to deydrated raw food (canisource)?

  • Cyndi

    Not sure if this video has been shared before or is posted on this site, but I had to share…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrBOOhDCC6g

  • Cyndi

    Had to share this here even though it’s not dog related. Sure made me laugh! Lol!

    https://www.facebook.com/pinkpanther4ever/photos/a.143819885651668.17374.143791405654516/797846376915679/?type=1&theater

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi-
    Has anyone seen on their news, the Washington State pet store owner who is very dedicated? She has pledged to eat dog food from her store for 30 days. She won’t sell it if she can’t eat it. Yikes! That is dedication.

  • aimee

    IF calcium carbonate took several hours before it reacted with acid then of course sodium bicarb would give faster relief. BUT you can’t rewrite chemistry to fit your needs LOL

    Calcium carbonate reacts with acid on contact just as sodium bicarb does. If you doubt this you can watch it on you tube or just put some egg shell into acid and note the bubbles!

    Calcium carbonate is used in recipes from people you refer to: Dr. Smart and Mary Strauss, who by the way also uses Balance It (From her site.” Balance IT — Two types are now available. If you don’t use one of their recipes, contact me to find out how much to add”). Don’t you use Natures Logic? I’m sure that Scott told me he uses egg shell as a calcium source yet I haven’t seen you recommend to feed Nature’s Logic with ACV.

    How do you feel about bone? Bone plays a large physiologic role in the neutralization of acid. Do you also worry that feeding bone will decrease protein digestion?

    I don’t see that any of these “antacids” are relevant in regards to protein digestion when used in the manner they are being used in Balance It or in kibble or fresh foods.

    P.S. If you want to know why sodium bicarbonate is in the supplement then you should ask Balance It : )

  • theBCnut

    I use the Ivomec sheep drench every 45 days.

  • Cyndi

    I’ve watched this 5 or 6 times and now I really feel bad for that poor dog! Lol!

  • Hound Dog Mom
  • Shawna

    If sodium bicarbonate works instantly and eggshell takes several hours to break down acids which do you think would be a better choice?

    And I wholeheartedly agree that eggshell is not the best source of calcium, when feeding anything other than an egg, but it can be used if other options are not available.

    What is the purpose for sodium bicarbonate in the supplement?

  • aimee

    Wouldn’t that be the same situation with sodium bicarbonate? I don’t see why one would be ok and not the other.

  • Shawna

    I rarely have digestive issues but I have in the past utilized tums and baking soda. And I gotta tell ya when in real distress, I’ll take the baking soda ANY DAY over the tums. It’s not as convenient and it’s harder to take but it does a WAY better job in my experience.

  • Shawna

    Ya know, you’re right aimee. That makes two reasons to not use BalanceIT!! Very good point.

    As far as egg shell, since some form of calcium needs to be utilized, and bone is not always an option, eggshell can fit the need. If I were feeding a premade food with eggshell I would add ACV. If I add it myself I also add ACV. And for a dog with digestive issues I’d first soak the eggshell in ACV (or lemon or lime juice) as this converts the calcium from carbonate to citrate.

    I’m also less clear on whether calcium carbonate actually neutralizes acid in any meaningful manner when taken with food as it takes at least 6 hours to convert the soaking shell to citrate.

  • aimee

    I never said sodium bicarbonate wasn’t good at bufferning acid, no question it that it does. I’m saying calcium carbonate also buffers acid well ( tums). I was asking why is dietary calcium carbonate ok but not sodium bicarbonate when they both are “antacids”

  • losul

    Interesting, baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) is sold as a cattle feed supplement, in particular as a buffering agent for the rumen. Maybe it buffers acid better than you think.

    “Dairy, beef and sheep farmers face an increased risk of severe acidosis amongst their livestock this winter as the temptation to feed large quantities of cheap cereals takes hold.”

    http://www.stackyard.com/news/2008/11/veterinary/04_wynnstay_acidosis.html

  • losul

    I wonder why they add sodium to it in a bicarbonate form. Are they purposely trying to neutralize some acid?

    When I use eggshell powder, I usually predissolve it first in vinegar. It bubbles up, gives off CO2 gases, and basically what I end up with is calcium acetate, some other trace minerals, and water.

  • Cyndi

    Thanks Shawna! I guess I’m not as observant as you are, lol! I bet there is alot that this site does that I have no clue about. Heck, I’ve had my car for almost 3 years and I STILL don’t know all it can do. Just found out it tells me when my tires are low, lol! I need to start playing around with stuff and figure out what stuff does.

    Thank you again! :-)

  • aimee

    I agree the new calculator is super cool!

    I started thinking about your comment regarding sodium bicarbonate. I agree it will neutralize some of the acid but the dose would determine the effect. I really doubt the level in the supplement would have any effect on protein digestion.

    But my question to you is why is sodium bicarbonate a deal breaker and not calcium carbonate? I’m quite sure you have recommended feeding egg shells in the past. Shells are nearly pure calcium carbonate which neutralizes acid (Tums).

    Off hand wouldn’t these be the equations?
    NaHCO3 + HCl = NaCl + H2CO3 = H2O +CO2

    CaCO3 + 2 HCL = H2CO3 + CaCl2

    Theoretically 1 molecule of calcium carbonate from egg shell neutralizes twice as much acid as one molecule sodium bicarbonate.

    I’m puzzled. Why is calcium carbonate Ok but sodium bicarbonate a deal breaker? Please explain.

  • Dori

    What HW prevention do you use? I’m in Atlanta, Ga. with the mosquitoes practically year round (depends on what the crazy short winter brings) and I’m always second guessing myself as to whether to use the HW (Sentinel) or not. You’re one of my trusted posters (I’ve been following your posts and your lead in many many issues with my girls for years). Also, whatever product you use, do you give it every month or every 45 days like some do? Thanks “nut”.

  • Shawna

    The little commenting bubble turns red when someone replies to you. If you click on that bubble you can see those replies. But now you can see more, who liked what etc. Not a big change but some.

    But, if you click the “Home” button at the top of that page it takes you to your Disqus Home page. On here there have been some big changes.

    Under “One Feed” you can see the comments from the people you are “Following”. Under “Notifications” you can see the same replies, likes etc that you see when clicking the red bubble above (a bit redundant but no biggie). Under “User Profiles” you can see your stats as well as all your replies AND the comment you replied to.

    It used to be that you could “Search” your comments as well as the comments of the people you “Follow”. I used to use this feature quite a bit but they took it away and it has never come back…

  • Cyndi

    What am I missing? Everything looks the same to me…

  • Shawna

    I really like the new and improved features on the Disqus profile “Your Home” page Mike!!!! I still wish we had the “search” option that was there a year or so ago but this is good.

  • Shawna

    Wow, I REALLY like the looks of this calculator and how it is laid out and works. But there is where my love affair ended. :(

    I designed a diet based around all the needs of my different dogs — so basically no poultry of any kind. I chose 95% lean hamburger, whole eggs and tuna (the tuna was left out in all formulations despite being picked). I chose walnut oil (since red meat is low in omega 6 and hemp oil was not offered) as it is less processed than the other omega 6 oils. I chose sweet potato as the starch and then spinach, cauliflower, apples and plums (trying to hit a wide variety of color groups).

    I don’t believe in feeding “all meet/protein” diets so the first option isn’t for me as the diets have to be fed as calculated without risking creating an imbalance per the site. The “high protein, high fat” recipe has 31% calories from protein and 45% calories from fat (which seems odd with low fat (except egg yolk) options). Still as a topper or fed in rotation with other higher protein/lower fat foods I could/would use this. UNTIL I looked at the required supplements.

    The BalanceIT Canine blend (needed for the high protein recipe) and the Carnivore Blend (needed for the all protein recipe) both have sodium bicarbonate in them. This, for me, is a deal breaker. If I’m going to feed all this protein, I want it to be digested!!! And sodium bicarbonate impedes protein digestion.

    To support my comment I googled “sodium bicarbonate impedes protein digestion” and the first hit was a chart about the “Digestive System”. From the chart
    “Hydrochloric acid (HCl) converts pepsinogen to pepsin which breaks down proteins to peptides. HCl maintains a pH in the stomach of approximately 2.0.

    It also dissolves food and kills microorganisms.”

    From the stomach to the small intestine —
    “Pancreatic juice contains sodium bicarbonate which neutralizes the acidic material from the stomach.” http://faculty.clintoncc.suny.edu/faculty/michael.gregory/files/bio%20102/bio%20102%20lectures/digestive%20system/digestive%20system.htm

    There are LOTS of balanced recipes that don’t require the use of sodium bicarbonate to create that balance. WHY on earth would a vet nutritionist use a substance that impedes protein digestion?

  • Betsy Greer

    Aww! He must be a super friendly dog!

  • theBCnut

    I live where we have mosquitoes year round, so I give heartworm prevention year round, but if I lived up north, I would take off for part of the year.

  • aimee

    No lecture … I just added my response to the thread. Maybe it would have been better for me to have added it to the post with the link.

    I didn’t pay for the study. If your vet is a AVMA member he/she should be able to get it for you if you are interested.

    I see the study as providing an overview of recipes from commonly used sources, not to “call out” any particular recipe.

    While I think it would have been courteous for Dr. Larsen to have replied to Dr Fox ( assuming she ever got the correspondence) I have to consider that the authors of the study were blinded to the authors of recipe except for vet/non vet. I don’t think the study authors have any obligation to match a particular author back with a recipe and provide that information to whoever requests it.

    If you click on “show all nutrient” you’ll find the detailed analysis for fats that your are looking for. The fat profile is broken down into over 45 lines of information.

    In regards to the Ca/phos ratios I thought my reply with the screenshot about the significance of a particular ratio was a reply.

  • Cyndi

    Had to share. Poor dog can’t figure out why the guy won’t throw his stick for him…. LOL!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/02/dog-tries-to-play-fetch-with-statue_n_5552270.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

  • Bunker

    In your opinion, how do you feel about skipping doses in the coldest months of the year?

  • theBCnut

    Due to the rate of maturity of heartworm larva, you can safely push the dose back to 45 days for all monthly brands. Some brands are actually more effective on a later larval stage than others, that’s why your vet suggested every two months. Some vets are even going so far as to suggest every 90 days. In my opinion, that gives you very little wiggle room, so I’m not comfortable going that far with my dogs.

  • aimee

    I’m not don’t know what constitutes, makes or breaks a Barf Like diet.

    In regards to the Ca Phos ratio I posted previously that there is thought that the ratio isn’t as important as the actual amounts. A ratio isn’t a component of the NRC tables.

    To clarify from what I could tell Brooke digested the pumpkin quite well, and the apple between 50-75%. The cabbage and celery less so. The spinach I couldn’t reliably identify pre- feeding.

    I wouldn’t expect raw vegetable to be highly digestible by a dog.

  • Bunker

    I would love to hear feedback on taking monthly heart-worm medicine.My vet suggested an every other month dose as it stays in a dogs system longer than the 30 day suggested dose from the manufacturer. I would like to eliminate heart worm med altogether but I’m a bit apprehensive. Thoughts?

  • andiprasetyo21

    Our neighbor’s dog died but no definite cause was found near the cage and chocolate wrappers. whether chocolate can kill a dog?
    thank
    toko buku islam
    obat keputihan

  • USA Dog Treats

    Balance IT has redone their recipe generator:

    https://secure.balanceit.com/recipegenerator_ver4/index.php

  • Betsy Greer

    What the heck??!!

  • Cynthia

    Um, why does the off topic page look like this? I can’t reply to threads or anything! Please change it back! This isn’t right at all

  • Cynthia

    Um, why does the off topic page look like this? I can’t reply to threads or anything! Please change it back!

  • SandyandMila

    No she’s not from a shelter, I got her from the breeder at 7 weeks after he brought the litter the previous week for their initial puppy shots and checkup. She’s only had the lepto the 2 times I mentioned. If the vet doesn’t feel she needs the booster that’s fine by me. :)

  • Cyndi

    I sure hope this thread isn’t going to stay like this. The comments don’t show up on the recent comments, you can’t edit your own post, you can’t reply to anyone else’s post! What the heck????

  • theBCnut

    WOW!! The commenting part of whole site has suddenly changed format. Disqus has done some strange things, but I think this tops them. Except that it appears today I’m Sondra M and I don’t even recognize that one.

  • Cyndi

    Ok, who messed with the Off Topic page. It’s TOTALLY different for me and I can’t find a way to reply to a certain comment. It’s like the twilight zone over here. All the other review threads are the same, but the Off Topic page is totally messed up. Maybe it’s just on my end…

  • theBCnut

    We never had one come in quite that heavily infested, but some were pretty bad. You take them straight to the tub and start sponging tick dip on to every body part, you don’t even try removing them at that point. And then you have the heebie jeebies for the next week. If they are bad with them, we usually saw them because they had tick paralysis, then they have depressed breathing and all that goes with it, usually either hypothermic or they fell in the sun and also have heat stroke. If you got to them in time, they would start improving within the hour.

  • theBCnut

    She probably had already gotten the first dose while still in the shelter. I wouldn’t go for lepto again either in her case, just like I said, one of mine gets the vac, two don’t. Gideon goes everywhere and does everything, patroling the borders, herding the goats, rolling in whatever he finds, etc, so he gets it. Micah is definitely immune compromised/stressed, so he doesn’t get it and I limit what he can do in my area to limit exposure, like his walks are in the middle of the road with no sniffing around in the bushes, no chance to drink ground water, or even an outdoor water source, etc. Angel doesn’t do much of anything or go much of anywhere as a 12 year old couch potato. She runs and plays indoors mostly, so she doesn’t get it either.

  • theBCnut

    How sad!! Now I really hope all the ticks left at their house know where to get their next meal.