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  • el doctor

    II found my Real Food book by Dr Becker. I have the third edition. What are the changes in the fourth edition, Miss Shawna who is thanked in the front pages of the book!!!

    I can’t find where she talks about using unrefined hemp oil, can you point me in the right direction please.

  • Shawna

    I’m not sure if you are familiar with pumpkin seed oil but it too is higher in linoleic acid and is a pretty great oil. I purchased it to use as a base for my own salads but the taste wasn’t my favorite so my pups got it.

    I don’t think it has enough linoleic acid to balance red meats but may be enough to balance turkey etc? It’s really high in chlorophyll so it was quite valuable when my Audrey had anemia (not from garlic as I had stopped garlic about 6 months before the anemia developed – my guess is that it was from lowering her protein too much with the addition of prescription canned kd diet).

    I have only used the Flora brand of pumpkin oil – a bit pricey but very healthful. http://www.florahealth.com/product_categories_usa.cfm?category_id=6&prod_id=255

  • el doctor

    Hi Shawna

    I use Eden Foods unrefined, expeller pressed organic Safflower oil

    http://www.vitacost.com/eden-foods-organic-unrefined-safflower-oil-16-fl-oz

    I found this for Sunflower oil

    http://www.vitacost.com/flora-organic-sunflower-oil-17-fl-oz

    I have to read about hemp oil from Dr Becker’s book. I just looked for my copy, but I can’t find it. It’s here somewhere.

  • Shawna

    Hi el doctor,

    Spectrum used to make unrefined safflower and sunflower oils but they dropped them. Do use refined or unrefined oils? If unrefined, what brand? I haven’t found a replacement for Spectrum but admittedly haven’t tried terribly hard.

    Edit — Dr. Becker recommends unrefined hemp seed oil for the meals (red meat) low in linoleic acid from dark meat chicken in her recipe book.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Thanks el doctor! Very interesting! I bought safflower oil for us years aga and now prefer sunflower oil. Since they are close enough, I might use the sunflower oil instead. I don’t remember where I read, years ago, that although sunflower has a shorter shelf life, it was preferable to sunflower oil over safflower oil. I think I might have to research this again.

  • el doctor

    Hi C4d

    Here is a list of oils high in linoleic acid also known as 18:2 undifferentiated.

    1 – Oil, vegetable safflower, salad or cooking, linoleic, (over 70%)18:2 undifferentiated: 16880mg

    2 – Oil, vegetable, grapeseed18:2 undifferentiated: 15744mg

    3 – Oil, vegetable, sunflower, linoleic, (approx. 65%)18:2 undifferentiated: 14864mg

    4 – Salad dressing, mayonnaise, soybean and safflower oil, with salt18:2 undifferentiated: 14506mg

    5 – Oil, vegetable, poppyseed18:2 undifferentiated: 14115mg

    6 – USDA Commodity Food, oil, vegetable, low saturated fat18:2 undifferentiated: 13059mg

    7 – Oil, wheat germ18:2 undifferentiated: 12397mg

    8 – Oil, vegetable, corn, industrial and retail, all purpose salad or cooking18:2 undifferentiated: 12106mg

    9 – Oil, vegetable, walnut18:2 undifferentiated: 11967mg

    10 – Mayonnaise dressing, no cholesterol18:2 undifferentiated: 11791mg

    http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-004049000000000000000.html?maxCount=157

  • Crazy4dogs

    I understand about the corn oil. What about sunflower oil? A lot of the dog foods use sunflower oil. I know olive oil is higher in omega 9.

  • el doctor

    Hi C4d

    Safflower oil supplies linoleic acid (omega 6) and is needed to balance these recipes.

    Corn oil is higher in linoleic acid, but I avoid GMO’s. Walnut oil is also high in linoleic acid.

  • SandyandMila

    Thank you!

  • Dori

    Congratulations. Love the photo. Such a sweet picture.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Aw, so adorable!

  • Dog_Obsessed

    I used to have pet rats, and I had to wear a thick sweatshirt when playing with them for the first few months. I got used to it eventually, lol.

  • Crazy4cats

    Ouch!!, it really doesn’t!

  • Bobby dog

    I love when kittens do that, it’s just too cute. My older cat did that the other day with Bobby and it brought back memories of when he used to snuggle up to my JRT when he was a kitten.

  • SandyandMila

    She seeks Mila out when it’s nap time and cuddles right up to her. :)

  • SandyandMila

    Doesn’t feel so great even with jeans on. lol

  • Bobby dog

    Love the pic!! So adorable, they look very happy napping together.

  • SandyandMila

    Thank you! :)

  • SandyandMila

    Thanks!

  • Crazy4cats

    Adorable!

  • Crazy4dogs

    Congratulations! So cute! :)

  • SandyandMila

    If you’re asking about their wet food, they’ve been recalled a bunch of times, they falsely use items that aren’t listed in the ingredients and have have made dogs severely ill. I’m not sure if they’ve improved because I don’t feed their products but I personally wouldn’t trust them.

  • SandyandMila

    We have a new addition, her name is Chloe! We got her on Mother’s Day. She and Mila hit it off pretty quickly. She’s a rambunctious little girl but very sweet. :)

  • Crazy4dogs

    Looks very interesting el doctor! I might try this. I’m curious, is there any particular reason for using safflower oil?

  • el doctor

    Smashed Peas and 93/7 Ground Turkey for 100 lb dog
    1678 Calories
    50% calories from protein
    45% calories from fat
    5% calories from carbohydrates

    Ingredients –
    93/7 Ground Turkey 24 oz
    Green Peas Smashed 294 grams (3 cups)
    Safflower Oil 3 tablespoons
    Balance It Canine 3 tablespoons

    Optional –
    Sprouted Ground Flax Seed 2 tablespoons
    Psyllium Husks 1 teaspoon

    Rotate –
    Digestive Enzymes
    Krill Oil
    Probiotics

  • el doctor

    Hi Dori

    I adjusted the above recipe to meet the daily requirements of a 100 lb dog and to be very nutritionally correct. I didn’t want you or someone else to use it without these adjustments. I rotate recipes every 1 to 3 days.

    Beef and Mixed Veg for a 100 lb dog;

    – 32 oz 95/5 organic ground beef
    – 415 g organic mixed veggies
    – 3 tablespoons Safflower oil
    – 4 tabllespoons BalanceIt Canine
    – 2 tablespoons ground sprouted flax

    – 1 teaspoon psyllium husks are optional. I use them to soften their poop a little. Caution, don’t overdue the psyllium!!!
    – The flax can be adjusted to change the overall fiber content

    Veggies finely ground or chopped and cooked first with the oil to break them down.
    Meat and everything else added later and very lightly cooked

    Krill oil, digestive enzymes and probiotics alternated every day. 1 each day.

    Recipe without supplements is
    approximately;
    2200 Calories
    48% from protein
    39% from fat
    13% from carbohydrates
    2% fiber

  • gleier

    I have a question that has no category. My granddaughter just recently took one of our dead horses to wherever they take dead horses. At that place they were slicing and putting into a grinder these dead horses. She was told the end result was called FISH MEAL.(now am told that this is meat or bone meal). I am now really concerned as this is listed in some of the dog foods. These are sick or highly medicated dead horses. Very few are there because they broke a leg. Ours had cancer and was put down with drugs. These sick and nfected horses are all turned into fish meal. Please advise me on what I have discovered.

  • Crazy4cats
  • Dori

    So not only looks good, it is good. What do your dogs weigh, how much do you feed them, how many meals will that make? Sorry for all the questions but I’m thinking of “borrowing” your recipe With your permission, of course.

  • el doctor

    Hi Dori

    That’s Beef and Veggies

    1lb 96/4 organic ground beef
    8oz organic mixed veggies
    4 teaspoons safflower oil
    5 teaspoons BalanceIt Carnivore blend
    1/2 teaspoon psyllium
    1 tablespoon sprouted flax

    Veggies finely ground and cooked first with the oil to break them down
    Meat and everything else added later and very lightly cooked

    Krill oil, digestive enzymes and probiotics alternated every day

  • Dori

    What’s in the pan? Looks good.

  • el doctor

    Dinner for the doggies

  • Geena

    Will you be reviewing Evanger’s Dog Food in the near future? I just read the old reviews and was wondering if this company has improved.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Has anyone seen the new Dogs Naturally article? Very interesting!
    http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/kibble-never-a-good-option/

  • LabsRawesome

    If anyone is interested, Big Lots has Spring Naturals Grain Free cat food in a 5lb vacuum packed bag with a resealable zipper for $5.00. And Hound & Gatos canned dog food for $1.00 per can.

  • sharron

    i give up!!!! – lexee does not like sojos – mixed canned with it – picked out the can as best as she could and left the sojos behind – last night bought raw bison with fruit and veggies, she spit that out – going to do just can

  • sharron

    no treats – haven’t found a treat that she will eat she just hides them, never eats them – i was scared to give other things to eat knowing how much fat there was in the freeze dried

  • sharron

    ok thanks!!!

  • Crazy4dogs

    Was she eating anything else, including treats?

  • Crazy4dogs

    I mix half cooked meat to half rehydrated premix. Any meat that’s cooked and fat is drained off should be a lower fat meat.

  • sharron

    yes and i called champion foods and they said to cut back to 1 medallion a day – well that’s only 75 cals –

  • sharron

    i think i will stay with the sojos and add meat – so per serving would i do half sojos and and mix the same amt of meat with it

  • Crazy4dogs

    Was she only eating 2 medallions when she gained the 1 lb in 3 weeks?

  • Crazy4dogs

    I think it might be. You could mix it with some sojos premix or a meat inclusive variety to reduce the fat.

  • sharron

    i think the fat is way too high in the orijen freeze dried for lexee – imo

  • sharron

    sorry – she liked the tundra best

  • sharron

    she’s just over 10.5 lbs – how many a day should i give her – also i didn’t have a problem with it dehydrating – it worked well for me – can i mix the sojos pre-mix with the orijen freeze dried – if i gave her 1/2 medallion in the am with the sojos and for dinner the other 1/2 with the sojos

  • Crazy4dogs

    Dori, you have a little dog. I looked @ the orijen site and the food is 36% protein and 35% fat. I can’t afford to feed freeze dried with my large dogs. Is there another formula you know of that’s lower fat?

  • Crazy4dogs

    When I use the freeze dried medallions, I crumble them to crumbs. I found that the medallions take to long to rehydrate otherwise. Which formula were you using?

  • sharron

    ok thanks

  • Crazy4dogs

    Just as FYI, If you do Sojos or any other premix, you have to add at least as much meat as they recommend. I usually double the meat recommendation when using the premix.

  • sharron

    oh ok so if i give it another try and i was giving her 2 medallions a day soaked in water, then how much do cut back without it being too drastic – i read that a dog isn’t active enough it shouldn’t eat a high protein, high fat food because it can’t burn off the calories – she certainly isn;t a runner

  • Crazy4dogs

    I hate the vet foods too. I still think the orijen freeze dried could be a good choice, but you would need to soak it til it’s absorbed a LOT of water. She gained weight and pooped like a great dane because she was getting too much food.

  • sharron

    they are bland – i had her on orijen freeze dried which she is really likes but by god she gained a lb over a 3 week period and i had lessen the servings to half for the day – and her poop was like a great dane had just gone and the odour was enough to knock you over

  • Dori

    Then the only other thing I can guess, and it’s just a guess since mine all love to eat, is that she’s lost interest in the food you’re feeding her. I think those vet diets are typically pretty bland aren’t they?

  • sharron

    she gets walked 4 x a day – about 20 mins each and usually in the morning the walk is before breakfast but that doesn’t kick start her appetite

  • Dori

    Sharron, I rotate commercial raw frozen food brands and proteins with the exception of fowl which Katie can’t eat. I also once in a while will feed The Honest Kitchen Zeal (only one that Katie can eat) and Grandma Lucy’s which they really really love.

  • Dori

    Is she getting enough exercise? My three are starving first thing in the morning and again at dinner time they’re ready to eat again. Don’t have an answer for you unless she’s just not really crazy about her food and has lost interest in eating.

  • sharron

    sorry but i can’t remember what you feed your dog/s

  • Dori

    Oh, I hate those vet foods but if that’s what Lexee will eat then that’s would you’ve got to feed her.

  • sharron

    ok thanks – she doing just fine – back to her old self – thanks for asking

  • Dori

    Check out some of the other dehydrated foods also and alternate so that Lexee won’t become bored with her food and please continue to toss in some raw or homemade in her bowls also. How’s she doing since the tooth extraction?

  • sharron

    sorry i forget things to say until after i post – also i think lexee has become a lazy eater – she doesn’t eat until later in the afternoon – don’t know if that;s normal with some dogs or not

  • sharron

    also her constipation seems to be clearing up today – the canned food she is on is royal canin (from the clinic), only because she likes it – she can be fussy about canned food too
    i thought the sojos premix would be good since it has veggies in it, the canned doesn’t

  • sharron

    thanks dori – no i’m not doing dry but i figured out the cost of feeding just can is tremendous – so i thought sojos would be good

  • Dori

    Sorry I missed all this sharron. I had thought you weren’t going to feed Lexee any dry at all anymore. I could be remembering incorrectly. I’m glad Lexee enjoyed the sojos. Another one that you can try and is pretty highly thought of (and I have fed it to my girls on occasion) is Grandma Lucy’s. Of course, The Honest Kitchen Complete meals is another one. Or The Honest Kitchen ones that you add your own foods too also. I just read the part where she was having constipation issues. I would have suggested that it was a dehydration issue. Dogs fed raw drink much less water than kibble fed dogs. It’s all the sodium and salt added to the kibble diets. Periodically if you feel she’s getting too constipated you can offer her some bone broth (low salt or no salt added) or you can make your own. Just give her some in a bowl and she’ll no doubt love it and lap it up. Lola my 5 lb. Yorkipoo is the only one that will get constipated from time to time. She has never ever been a water drinker even when she was on kibble. On raw she rarely drinks water. When I see that happen with her for a couple of days or so in a row then I’ll feed her a dehydrated food made very soupy like and then, yikes, tons of stuff come out. Dehydrated foods produce quite a bit more stool than raw. Then she’s fine. She can be fine for months on end and then she’ll do a bit of the constipation bit and I’ll give her a dehydrated food for one or two meals and then it’s back to raw. Some raw foods have more ash than others which creates the hard constipation issues.

  • sharron

    bought a bag of sojos premix this morning and mixed can with it – that was a hit!!!! – added more water than it states on the bag but that’s ok, she ate it

  • sharron

    you are right – will add some turkey to it and veggies – thanks

  • Storm’s Mom

    All the more reason to stick with canned..I wouldn’t even bother with dry at all if I were you, unless there was a financial imperative for doing so. As Crazy4dogs says, adding water to her CANNED food seems like the way to go.

  • sharron

    i just cooked up some ground turkey breast for lexee, mixed it with the dry, my god, she inhaled it – what other meats are good, that aren’t too fatty
    thanks

  • Crazy4dogs

    I use the premix that I add fresh meat to. I like Sojos, but I rotate my foods all the time.

  • sharron

    is sojos complete a good food, do you think

  • Crazy4dogs

    Anytime! :)

  • sharron

    thanks for your help

  • Crazy4dogs

    Yeah, I know a lot of cat owners add water to the wet food to get they’re cats to take in more water. That’s why I suggested adding water to her canned food. Good luck!

  • sharron

    went to the clinic – talked to a vet tech, she said it’s lack of water, still not getting enough even though she is eating wet food – have to add water to the wet and use a syringe to get more water into her

  • Crazy4dogs

    It’s worth a try.

  • sharron

    what about sweet potato – she doesn’t like pumpkin, have tried it and she won’t eat it

  • Crazy4dogs

    If you haven’t tried it, pumpkin or THK Perfect Form might help. Otherwise, additional water mixed in the canned food or a higher fiber food could help.

  • sharron

    she’s really having trouble eliminating
    her bowels need a kick start

  • Crazy4dogs

    Is she constipated? You could add water to the canned food

  • sharron

    thanks – i think the problem is, she isn’t drinking any water – the only moisture she is getting is from the wet food but that doesn’t seem to be enough

  • Crazy4dogs

    Here’s a link to Drs Foster & Smith. The sites seem to say to contact your vet for dosage:

    http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=26+1303&aid=1473

  • sharron

    should have been to dori or anyone else who would like to jump in

  • sharron

    would it be safe to give lexee metimucil
    if so how much

  • sharron

    want to add that i have tried primal and she didn’t like that either

  • sharron

    i have of bag of NV chicken medallions – let it thawed, then gave one to her for dinner, she looked at it for about 2 mins, sniffed it, then walked away, i know she was hungry – so i mixed about 1/2 tbsp of wet, then she ate it, she tried very hard to eat just the can food
    she’s doing very well thanks – she bounces back quite quickly after surgery – after she broke her leg and had the surgery the only way you knew that she had an operation was the cast on her leg

  • Dori

    What commercial frozen raw foods did you try? Just curious and we’d like to help if we can. Sharon, if Lexee’s eating canned than that’s better than dry but it would be great for her to eat commercial frozen raw or at minimum dehydrated….The Honest Kitchen, or Grandma Lucy’s. How’s Lexee feeling after her tooth extraction? Better I hope.

  • Dori

    Cheryl I’m glad your dogs are doing well and thrilled that you are paying it forward. Very kind of you. And yes, I can always help too if you or anyone needs any more real life experiences or has any questions along the way. We’ve all got to take care of each other and our campanions.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I know it’s late in the day, but I just have to include this.
    Happy Mother’s Day to all the dog moms out there! :)

  • sharron

    rw is a no go – wouldn’t touch it – have to stick to can – thanks anyway for your help

  • sharron

    thanks – i have a bag of NV chicken medallions, will give that another try

  • Cheryl Pepper Millie Sophie

    Well have u ever tried commercial raw – I was a hold out for years , Shawna a frequent poster in the past and someone who is extremely knowledgable as are many who post always suggested raw. I was very hesitant, my angel pepper is not well has many issues. Well I had no choice in a way she couldn’t digest her kibble so out it had to go.
    I couldn’t feed the vet diets so I figured I would try it and if the commercial raw failed I would give her the vet diet . Well Sharron let me tell you she loves it and is doing better lost some weight – I feed honest kitchen in the am with a topper of organic boiled beef and at nite I give her commercial raw with a topper of organic boiled ground turkey.
    Dori was kind enough to help me and guide me w the brands to rotate – if you think I you may want to try it I would be happy to help you- pay it forward as I say!
    Mine were not picky eaters thank god just my pepper being sick w IBD/IBS It’s been quite a struggle , but she is my sweet precious angel as I am sure Lexee is to you.
    So if you think about it and want some guidance I would be happy to help as well as Dori I am sure
    Good luck

  • sharron

    couldn’t remember how to spell it so i just copied you – we both know what we meant – anyways i have tried different dehydrated foods – probably the one she favoured most was sojos but that didn’t last long – after a few days she just picked at it – she drank more when she had her chew sticks but since her dental procedure (had a broken tooth removed, ) she hasn’t had any – and i really appreciate your suggestions, she can be such a picky eater – really dislikes kibble

  • sharron

    ok thanks a bunch – i didn’t think of the anestetic (sp?) either – she doesn’t drink that much since being on a can diet

  • Cheryl Pepper Millie Sophie

    ok try cooked carrots about 1 tsp.Mayb next time try green beans, I buy the bags of cut organic green beans-they can’t get enough, mine are all mini schnauzers.
    Just a thought came into my head, she could be a bit constipated due to the anestetic given to her during the dental procedure. i bet that’s it.

  • sharron

    hi – yorkie/chihuahua – yes the beans were cooked – has to either be the beans or not enough water – but i give her more can than dry when i mix the two and i wet the dry to soften it due to her having oral surgery done a few days ago

  • Cheryl Pepper Millie Sophie

    Were they cooked? Beans should NOT CAUSE this, Is she drinking enough??
    I give my 3 cooked veggies for lunch and it does help them eliminate -i rotate between green beans yellow squash and zucchini carrots and butternut squash
    .Please refresh( I am sorry what breed is lexee?)

  • sharron

    hi – me again – i gave lexee some yellow beans last night, mixed with her dry and can food, and i gave her a few more this morning – took her for her walk and noticed that she had trouble pooping – took her a while to eliminate – was this from the beans – and what i give her to get things moving again, without causing the runs – also, she doesn’t like pumpkin
    thanks

  • el doctor

    Dr. Becker and Steve Brown on Raw Food Diet for Pets. Interview on youtube. It was published in November 2014.

    Part 1
    https://youtu.be/5xDK-4lkpR0

    Part 2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grGlkNpaq_4&feature=youtu.be

  • Crazy4dogs

    Maybe. I think that was a key important factor to include in their list. I hope the go through most, if not all, of the companies!

  • Crazy4dogs

    I personally use it on a fairly regular basis but I rotate between several brands. There are a lot of good brands out there. This fits my price point pretty well. I’m also feeding raw or fresh cooked meat with a premix for dinner.

  • sharron

    thanks – what’s your opinion on merrick canned dog food

  • Dori

    Me too! I had even called them about it to plead the case. Maybe they got enough calls and complaints and begging and pleading? lol

  • Crazy4dogs

    I’ve used lamb ears, pig snouts and I found bison ears that are flexible. I’ve used trachea too. If they’re too hard I soak them in warm water til they soften.

  • sharron

    i remember lexee chewing on what was left of a chew stick, a very small piece but big enough that it got lodged in her throat – she couldn’t breathe – had to put my finger down her throat to dislodge it – that was really scary!!!! – after that i threw them out when they got down to a certain size – not going to give them to her any more – it’s just too risky

  • sharron

    what chews now do you give your lab

  • sharron

    hi – i think they are just too hard for lexee’s teeth

  • Crazy4dogs

    I have a lab that’s an aggressive chewer and a very expensive dental bill because of it and a very hard bully stick. I only use chews that are flexible enough to bend or I can press my fingernail through per my vet’s recommendation.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I used to use bully sticks a lot until my lab cracked the tip of her canine on a very thick one. She’s an aggressive chewer. :( Very expensive dental bill. :(

  • Crazy4dogs

    I agree. I was so disappointed when they stopped listing manufacturers a few years ago.

  • Dori

    No, DF. My three are gulpers and too tiny. They can easily start to choke or gag. When I used to feed kibble, if the kibble was too large they’d get them stuck in their throats and start gagging trying to cough them up. Fortunately I had taken a dog cpr class years ago which comes in handy. I also keep a couple of sets of forceps for such occasions. I have a straight pair and also a curved pair. Their mouths are too small for me to get my hand down their throat to get anything out. You really have to know your dogs before giving them things that could potentially choke them. My girlfriend had a Papillion that choked on a Greenie. He tried to swallow a piece that was just to big for him and it killed him. So sad and incredibly frightening.

  • Dori

    Sometimes vets are a little reluctant to tell a client that their animal is overweight as some become highly insulted. They will, of course, if they feel your dog is obese and endangering it’s health. At least they should if they don’t. I always use the feel the body technique. You should be able to feel your dogs ribs with not too much pressure. But you shouldn’t be able to see her ribs. Also when standing over your dog and looking down on her she should have a waist. I keep my three on the leaner side as I feel is easier on their joints and, of course, their hearts. I can’t see their ribs but with a little pressure with both my hands I can feel their ribs on both sides of their rib cage. They all also have a clear demarcation of a waist. I rely more on that method than a scale. A scale will tell me how much they weigh but not whether that weight is best for them. I’m always tweaking the amount of food of food I feed them especially since I rotate foods so often and I weigh their food due to feeding raw I find it more accurate for them than feeding by calories, but that’s just my method of feeding. Others feed by number of calories per cup or whatever other methods there are.

  • Dori

    I’ve heard a lot of stories from friends and vets also on all these hard chews causing cracks and fractures. There’s also the choking hazard I worry about also.

  • Dori

    I just read the article a few nights ago. So glad they’re going to keep this series on going.

  • sharron

    thanks so much – i know the chew sticks are too hard – down the road when her mouth has healed i will just give her the dental chews – they are al ot softer

  • Dori

    Sharron, I’m glad everything went well and glad it’s over and done with. I hate when they have to have anesthesia for any reason. Now just have to be so careful of anything you give her for chewing. :)

  • DogFoodie

    Have you ever used bully sticks, Dori? They aren’t super hard and they soften as the pup scrapes their teeth and slobbers on them.

  • sharron

    ok thanks

  • Storm’s Mom

    general answer: no

  • sharron

    it was more of a general question about the bones, chew sticks themselves and the side effects of a dog chewing on them such as broken, chipped, cracked teeth

  • Storm’s Mom

    Ask them both/all why they think what they do, see what they say, and determine what makes sense (feels right, potentially) to you.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Are they worth the potential (and in your case, actual) vet bill?? I would say not. After just doing through this with Lexee, I’m actually surprised you’re still even considering feeding them, to be honest. It’s not just her teeth, though.. it’s all the recalls that have been going on with so many treats lately. Not worth it at all, imho.

  • sharron

    i am questioning whether these hard chew sticks are worth it – the surgeon told me that the vet had seen 4 dogs including lexee come in within a week because of tooth damage

  • sharron

    what do i do when i get different opinions on lexee’s weight? – when i had in her in on monday the vet said her weight is fine at 4.9kg – when i picked her up today from her surgery the surgeon thinks that she is a little chunky – i told her that she has maintained this weight for the past 5 yrs and anything i have done in the past hasn;t made a difference – the office manager also thinks that she isn’t overweight

  • Crazy4dogs

    Has anyone seen the new issue of Whole Dog Journal? They’re starting a new series with an in depth look at all the dog food companies. This month it’s Champion Foods. I haven’t read it yet, but it looks interesting! I didn’t know that Acana was the original and Orijen only started about 10 years ago. I guess I started using it from their beginning.

  • sharron

    hi – lexee is home now and everything went really well – she’s sleepy of course
    but just fine

  • Dori

    Agree with you completely Storm’s Mom completely on your reply to Sharron. Lexee was already missing some teeth that never grew in and now a molar removal. I’d do everything I could to make sure she doesn’t damage any others. I feel bad sometimes that I don’t give my dogs hard bones or anything to chew on but my dogs mouths are so tiny, their teeth are so tiny that I just can’t take the chance. I’m sure they’d adore having some type of bones but I’m the mom and have to be the “bad” guy.

  • sharron

    thanks – for sure – wasn’t thinking now – in the future – i’m wondering if the chew sticks are too hard

  • Storm’s Mom

    If I were you, I’d stay as far away from everything except canned or balanced raw (cooked veggies, meat, etc) until your vet tells you otherwise.

  • sharron

    hi – i’m concerned now about giving lexee beef chew sticks – how good can they be if they might be causing tooth damage – don’t know if they are the cause or not

  • sharron

    i replied to this comment but i don’t see it – so i apologize if you get this twice – the dental chews are like licorice – they are pliable enough to break in half – i don;t know how long the tooth has been weak and then fell apart – perhaps that’s why she has never really liked eating kibble – now i;m not sure whether i should continue with giving her bully sticks

  • sharron

    hi – i remember quite a few months ago we were in bed, i watching tv and lexee was chewing on a chew stick, similar to a bully stick but more for her size of mouth, i heard a crack and thought it was the stick. she didn’t react in any way and continued to chew on – i have fair idea that’s when it happened – the tooth might have been weak before that happened – sometimes she will chew for a few minutes, other times she goes to town – the dental chews are more on the softer side – i can break them in half – and she only gets a 1/2/day

  • Dori

    Do you think the dental chews are hard enough to have broken off that tooth? Is she an aggressive chewer? Trying to figure out how she could have done it. Poor Lexee sounds like she cannot afford to lose any more teeth.

  • sharron

    thanks so much – will keep you posted for sure

  • Storm’s Mom

    While my heart goes out to Lexee and I hope she’s feeling better sooooon, I’m soooo happy for you, that you discovered what’s probably been causing her “pickiness”!!!! Phew!!! Definitely keep us posted, and give that little one a big hug from me/us!! (and then give yourself a big hug, too!! I know it’s been a trying time for you!!). I’m sorry I was a bit hard on you in the past..my apologies, sharron. Like others, I honestly didn’t think much about it being a tooth issue!

  • sharron

    i’ve been thinking if maybe she has has trouble with that tooth for a long time and perhaps that’s why she doesn’t really care for hard food – i know she doesn’t have teeth between the front teeth and back molars on the top – they never came in – they took x-rays a few years ago and didn’t see any

  • sharron

    oops forgot to mention – i have tried to brush her teeth more than once but it turns into a battle and we both end up frustrated – so i give her dental chews – the vet said her teeth are in good shape except for the broken one

  • sharron

    i sure will keep you posted – wednesday night

  • Dori

    Post back after the removal if you have a moment. I’d like to know that she’s okay and that it was the broken off molar was the issue. Do you brush Lexee’s teeth? I can’t remember now. I brush all three of my dogs but I’m going to start paying more attention and inspecting their teeth. It’s so automatic now that I’m now always on top of inspection as I should be. Hope all goes well and that was the cause of her problems. I wish they could just speak in a language that we could understand and let us know what is wrong.

  • sharron

    thankyou!!!!! – feeding her can food now – just in case the kibble causes discomfort – when i think of it she hasn’t been chewing her chew sticks lately

  • Crazy4dogs

    Best of luck to her and you! My lab had broken a tooth & showed no signs of eating badly or anything. I just happened to notice it one day when trying to brush her teeth. It’s so hard to tell and they can’t tell you.

  • sharron

    thanks for your concern – i didn’t think of it either because there was no indication of a problem – she didn’t whine or yelp so i have no idea when it happened – the vet thinks it happened awhile ago so perhaps it didn’t hurt when it happened but it has started to bother her recently – the tooth has mobility – thanks again

  • sharron

    have no idea where i my posting went so you might get this twice – wanted to let you know that lexee had her annual today and she is doing fine except that she has broken off a back molar – perhaps this is why she wasn’t eating – take her in on wed to have it removed

  • Dori

    Oh Sharron. Poor baby. Poor little thing was in a bit of pain. So sad but I’m so happy that all will be well once what’s left is removed. Here we are going crazy trying to figure it all out and I never thought once to say…Hey! Look in her mouth? So sorry. My bad! It honestly never occurred to me.

  • sharron

    hi dori – took lexee to the vet today for her yearly checkup – wanted to let you know that probably the reason lexee wasn’t eating is that she broke off a back molar – she scheduled in on wednesday to have it removed – i didn’t have a clue that it happened

  • Susan

    Hi, just use the duck kibble in rotation, when you feed a kibble with duck don’t feed the same kibble day in & day out, I give different kibble for breakfast & another kibble for dinner….I’ve been feeding kibble with salmon & sardine & staying away from turkey duck & chicken, I may re introduce duck in a month but only for breakfast not dinner as he gets more kibble for dinner..

  • Storm’s Mom

    Storm’s got an intolerance/allergy to chicken and turkey, but he doesn’t appear to have one to duck yet.. is it a given that he will? If so, should I continue to feed it to him while he’s not reacting to it, or would that just speed up him having a reaction at some point? (he was fine for years with having turkey on and off, but all of a sudden a few months ago he reacted to it and it didn’t stop until I changed his food to something totally different (from PetKind Tripe Dry to NL Sardine)). Thanks!!

  • Dori

    Excellent. So glad to hear this. I’m happy for you both. It’s always kind of scary when they stop eating for that many days.

  • sharron

    hi dori and thanks for your help
    lexee is back to eating normally – she likes royal canin chihuahua dry with royal canin wet mixed in – so everything is fine now

  • Dori

    Hi Sharron, I was just viewing and researching this and thought you should check it out. Watch the video also. I’m not suggesting ordering their food as it’s way too expensive with shipping. They’re only in California. But I do like their recipes for home cooked meals and their supplement packages. I think this would be good for you and your dog for home cooking. It’s called JustFoodForDogs. http://justfoodfordogs.com/products/do-it-yourself/

  • Dori

    She doesn’t need the pasta but if that’s all she’ll eat you are going to have to add some supplements to her food as that’s not a balanced meal. You could also try offering her some scrambled eggs, sardines from a can (no salt packed in water). Also some pieces of fruits and veggies. I’m glad she’s at least eating something which means she’s capable of eating, no obstructions or anything. If you are going to continue to cook for her, there are a lot of sites on google that have great recipes. If you’re only going to do this for awhile why you figure out why she stopped eating her regular food then what you’re giving her is okay for a little bit. It’s also a possibility that there may have been something wrong with the last bag or canned food you bought and she could smell or sense it and wouldn’t eat it. That’s happened many times with dogs and kibble and canned. They know something’s not right even if we don’t. What were you feeding anyway? What brands?

  • sharron

    that’s ok – thanks for all your help

  • Dori

    It’s just short for Crazy4Dogs. Too much typing on too many sites so I try to shorten some things. Sorry about that Sharon.

  • sharron

    thanks – what does c4d mean

  • Dori

    No C4D, but yes you can mix canned food with the turkey and veggies. For her to get the most nutrition from the veggies you should either steam them or puree them, but you can also give her some raw just as treats.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Yes, it shouldn’t be a problem.

  • sharron

    it’s ok to mix can food with the turkey and veggies?

  • sharron

    hi – she ate this am but left the pasta behind – can i just feed her the turkey and veggies

  • Crazy4dogs

    I wasn’t sure. But even @ 10 lbs. they don’t eat much. My active 13 lb dog only eats about 1/2 – 2/3 cup of food per day. And that’s kibble/canned mix or fresh.

  • sharron

    actually she is 10.5 lbs and not overweight

  • Crazy4dogs

    As I recall, she is a very small dog, around 5 pounds. The amount of food she actually needs is a very small amount. She only needs about 200 calories/day. That’s about 1/2 cup or less of food. She might be eating enough, you just are thinking that she’s not eating when you are comparing to your portions.

  • sharron

    they are medi chews by royal canin from the clinic

  • Crazy4dogs

    She’s eating something. A dog doesn’t not eat for 3 days & poop. There would be nothing to process. I would not give her the chews for a while until she’s back to eating food. What kind of chews are you giving her?

  • Dori

    Don’t forget that you can introduce different ingredients as her treats. Please google fruit and veggies that you can feed dogs. Those are what I give my three dogs as treats. Much healthier. I don’t give them anything processed. Be careful to not get your dog full of “treats” where she will be too full or prefer “treats” instead of her meals. There is a huge ingredient list of fruits and vegetables that are appropriate that you can give your dog as treats. That’s what I do and they are happy, healthy, energetic and love their “treats”. One of my girls is 15 + 98 months old. As I think I may have mentioned I’m a commercial raw diet feeder, rotational with proteins and brands. I feed no commercial products and they are all well, healthy and happy little girls.

  • Dori

    OMG! I’m so happy. Okay, what you should be supplementing to the diet is plain greek yogurt, I give my toy dogs 1/4 tsp. one meal a day. and Standard Process Canine Whole Body Support one meal a day. See dosing on bottle.
    You can buy this on Amazon. Otherwise Standard Process supplements are available through certain veterinarians. The ones I cannot get on Amazon I purchase through Dr. Melissa Shelton’s web site oilyvet.info. Delighted that your dog is eating. Let me know if I’ve given you the wrong site for Dr Shelton. Otherwise, you can purchase a lot of the Standard Process supplements that are made from whole foods. Keep me posted.

  • sharron

    the ground turkey, beans, pasta was a hit – what do i do about supplements if she continues to eat this

  • sharron

    i bought some ground turkey breast, pasta and green and yellow beans – will see how that goes for dinner before when she wouldn’t eat she would bring up bile, she isn’t doing that

  • sharron

    yes and they are normal

  • Crazy4dogs

    Sharron, is she having bowel movements?

  • Dori

    Let me know how it goes. Wait to feed until her regular dinner time.

  • sharron

    ok thanks – will have to make something for her – what i’m having for dinner she can’t have

  • Dori

    Is it possible that she broke off and swallowed a larger piece of the dental chew? I know that sometimes some dogs will “fast” themselves for a day or so but I don’t recall any going three days. If I were you, and it were my dog, I wouldn’t wait until next Friday to see if something is wrong. What’s confusing me is that in all other respects she’s acting perfectly normal. Is it possible you could try an experiment and that would be, if you have any home cooked food for yourselves at home (no onions, grapes or raisins in it and nothing too heavily hotly spiced) and at what would be her regular meal time (not before) put some in her bowl. Walk away (don’t stand over her to see if she’ll eat) just go about your business doing whatever you would be doing at her meal times and see if she’ll eat your food. Let’s see if she’ll eat it. Nothing too hot spicy but nothing too bland either. Just whatever you would be cooking for yourselves. Just leave out, as I said, any onions, grapes, and raisins. Finger’s crossed. If she continues not to eat then I’m afraid a vet visit is in order. Please post and let us know what happens at meal time.

  • sharron

    hi – everything was fine till about 3 days ago
    she was eating her dry with wet – she started losing interest about a week ago – she wouldn’t eat in the mornings – she would wait till the afternoon to eat – yesterday she picked at some can food but you couldn’t call it an actual meal – the birds outside eat more than she does – the only treat she gets is a dental chew at night and she only gets a 1/2 of one – she doesn’t eat anything on her walks – yesterday i tried pumpkin for dogs, doesn’t like it, then i bought a jar of coconut oil to mix with her food, doesn’t like it, then i bought a can of sweet potato for dogs, doesn’t like it – she isn’t being picky and holding out for something better, she just isn’t interested in eating – she’s perky and looks fine to me – she isn’t acting like she’s under the weather – she goes for her annual this coming friday, but i’m not sure what to do until then

  • Dori

    Sharron, are you sure no one’s giving her treats during the day? If she truly has not eaten any food for three entire days, then I would say yes, that is cause for concern. Has she ever done anything like this before? Is she still drinking water which is very important. Has she gotten into or eaten anything along the way on her walks? Have you switched her food? Just trying to think of different things. Three days is a long time for her not to eat anything. If she’s till having bowel movements and they look normal then it would seem that she’s eating something somewhere I think.

  • sharron

    should i be concerned that lexee is not interested in eating ANYTHING
    she’s not sick, does not have an upset stomach, bowel movements are fine – she’s active, plays and goes for her walks – just not interested in eating – this has been nearly 3 days

  • Susan

    Hi I wouldn’t be feeding Bully Sticks especially if
    she vomited it up 4 days later that means she or he
    didn’t digest it, Go to the butcher & get some nice raw meaty bones they will probably chew & chew the meat off the bone slowly & be cleaning their teeth at the same time & enjoy a meaty bone more…..

  • Jeanne

    Thank you for the link!

  • DogFoodie

    Hi Jeanne,

    Hopefully someone with knowledge or experience will read this and weigh in. In the meantime, you might find some helpful information here : http://dogaware.com/health/liver.html

  • Jeanne

    I have a lab who has been diagnosed with high copper in her liver (diagnosed by testing part of her liver – was noticed by surgeon who was removing her spleen which had a begnin tumor in it). Am having a hard time figuring out which high quality food is low in copper while she is going through chelation therapy. Only two I have had recomended by vet are hills liver diet or royal canine hepatic. Does anyone have experience with this?

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Dianna-
    I give my two large dogs one bully stick per week, and have not had that proble. However… We attach vise grips to the very end of them in order to prevent them from gulping them down without chewing. It has worked great. Give it a try!

  • theBCnut

    I personally have not had that issue, but any time a dog eats a dried treat that fast, they may not be chewing it properly, so moisture doesn’t get to the inside of the treat and it remains hard and indigestible. That means it could be vomited back up or cause an intestinal blockage. Dogs that eat this way need to only have treats that are too small to be an issue or treats that are too large to be swallowed and monitoring for when the treat needs to be taken away.

  • Dianna Zorn Roberts

    I am new to this forum, so I may not be posting this question in the right place. I’m having problems trying to find how to post a question, and this is the first one, that I came across that I could post this question. I recently gave my dogs the “bully sticks” after a friend told me not to use rawhide chews for my dogs. I purchased the “Red Barn” 6″ bully stick that was spiral in shape. All four dogs had devoured their treats within 30 minutes. One of my dogs had been eating quite a bit of grass, and finally after the 4th day from having had their bully stick, threw it up. I thought they were suppose to be digestible? Has anyone else had this problem?

  • theBCnut

    Thanks everyone! It’s hard, but at the same time, she hasn’t been well in a long time and she was ready to go a long time ago, so in a small way, it’s a relief. We were fortunate to get to spend time with her before she got so bad, and now we know she is at peace.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    I’m so sorry. She was so lucky to have you.

  • Crazy4dogs

    My deepest sympathies. It’s alway so hard to lose loved ones.

  • losul

    I’m sorry. It’s a great thing that you’ve been such a dedicated caregiver for her. My she rest in peace, now. take care of yourself too.

  • Crazy4cats

    Oh, I’m really sorry, Patty. I know it must be really hard. You took great care of her. She was lucky to have someone like you. Take Care!

  • Bobby dog

    My condolences to you and your family. She was blessed to have you in her life.

  • theBCnut

    Many of you know that I have been taking care of my aunt with dementia and kidney failure for years now, so I just wanted to let everyone know that she died this morning. I will miss her dearly, but she is no longer suffering, no longer in pain, no longer scared and confused. And God is waiting for her on the other side. Thanks to everyone that has sent well wishes over the last few years.

  • Crazy4cats

    Thank You!

  • SandyandMila

    Great new video by Dr. Karen Becker regarding yeast in dogs! http://youtu.be/MVPSQdBfsaM

  • Victor Rosasco

    Hi, can anyone help me the % raw fruit, raw vegetable,eggs , honey and vinegar to meat ratio thanks

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Here is the form for suggesting new reviews: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/contact-us/suggest-dog-food-review/

  • cm

    I would like for ya’ll to add this Dry dog food to your reviews. Thanks
    Great Life Dr. E’s Limited Ingredient

  • sharron

    when a dry dog food is given 3 1/2 stars is it considered a decent food

  • theBCnut

    They have a little software glitch that when your EC membership runs out it erases your membership in the free part too. It may take a while to fix, so just rejoin if it happens to you. All is well.

  • Crazy4cats

    I couldn’t log on to it either after my EC subscription ended. I sent an email on the contact us link at the bottom of the page and they reset me.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I tried to get on it, but it I’m not sure if I ever posted on it before. It made me register and when I tried to use my username it said it already existed so when I tried to log on, it said invalid email address. I had to register with a different username, but when I did that as C4D, it worked. Crazy.

  • aquariangt

    and as I said that, I tried again and got on