Diabetic Dog Food

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The following items represent some of The Dog Food Advisor’s most frequently asked questions about diabetic dog food.

Where can I get suggestions for specific dog foods for my diabetic dog?

Diabetes is a serious condition and can be life threatening. The food you select can play a crucial role in your dog’s treatment. Consult your dog’s veterinarian first for specific product recommendations.

What kinds of foods make the best candidates for my diabetic dog?

Public information regarding canine diabetes and diet appears to be somewhat limited.

To help keep blood sugar stable, one should look for foods that contain moderate dietary fiber and a low-glycemic index.

How much fiber should a diabetic dog consume?

Although higher dietary fiber was initially believed to be beneficial, recent studies have suggested there may be no real advantage to high fiber diets compared to the moderate type associated with most commercial foods.1

What is the glycemic index?

The glycemic index is a scientific measure of how easily a particular food can be converted to blood glucose (sugar).

Dog foods with a low glycemic index exhibit less of a tendency to raise a dog’s blood glucose (sugar) level than others.

What type of dog foods have a lower glycemic index?

In general, dog foods with the lowest carbohydrate content exhibit a lower glycemic index.

Since most kibbles are carbohydrate based, low-carb canned foods should be given serious consideration when selecting candidates for diabetic pets.

Footnotes

  1. Rand JS et al, Centre for Companion Animal Health, School of Veterinary Science, The University of Queensland, “Diet in the prevention of diabetes and obesity in companion animals”, Asia Pacific Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2003;12 Suppl:S6
  • Marti Clark-Clonts

    I would like to know some named dog foods that could be given to my diabetic dog please?

  • Crazy4dogs

    I know. :(

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Yeah. I really wish there was another good option for her in this case, even though I agree that seems like the best option. It seems quite straightforward, but I imagine it is quite scary for Akari and her family. Not to say that it is the wrong thing because of that, though.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I suggested several things to Akari, but if the dog’s teeth are falling out, this is not the product. The dog needs a dental. :(

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Thanks! Has anyone suggested that to Akari?

  • Crazy4dogs

    The plaque off worked well overall for me. The Min Pin’s teeth were brown and her breath smelled terrible. It was tartar. She couldn’t have the dental due to liver enzymes. We put it into our dog’s food @ dinner. Between that, chews & brushing, her teeth are almost white. She’s still going for the dental, but she was never assessed as rotted teeth @ either vet since she had a dental 2 years ago. Just bad tartar buildup. :)

  • Dog_Obsessed

    I will keep it in mind, thanks! It would be nice not to have to pin her down and brush her teeth, but I know brushing is generally better. It could also be a good addition to brushing.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Great suggestion! I had forgotten about coco oil! I was not going to use it with her last food, because I just didn’t want to introduce one more ingredient, but I think her new food, THK Love, actually has coconut so that could be a good option.

  • Crazy4dogs

    :)

  • Bobby dog

    I think it confuses Bobby a bit. lol He knows he’s not supposed to eat my finger, but he loves coco oil. It is definitely one of his favorite things to eat too. The kitties not so much…

  • Crazy4dogs

    BD, my dogs would love havIng you brush their teeth. They think coconut oil is dessert since they get it after meals! :D

  • Crazy4dogs

    Have you tried the Proden plaque off? The only ingredient is sea kelp.

  • Bobby dog

    Hi D O:
    Are you by chance adding coco oil to her diet during the elimination process? I use gauze wrapped around my finger and coco oil for the cats and Bobby.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    The toothpaste worked great for me! However, I’m looking for a toothpaste alternative right now, since I can’t use the toothpaste right now due to Lily’s elimination diet, and she won’t let me do it with just water. Any ideas anyone? Thanks!

  • Crazy4dogs

    It takes a bit of time, but my dogs are used to brushing. If you get the enzymatic chicken or peanut butter flavored toothpaste it might help. They spend so much time trying to lick the brush that I can pretty easily get the brushing in.
    I’ve also used Proden “Plaque Off” with some pretty good success. It takes a bit of time, but has gotten rid of some of the serious tartar on my foster’s teeth. It’s a natural sea kelp.

  • theBCnut

    Some dogs do better with a finger wrapped in gauze to rub down the teeth.

  • Karen

    Hi. I am just seeing this. I hope you don’t mind that I pop in on this discussion. I am trying to get my dog to like (not so much enjoy) his teeth being brushed and I am skeptical that the sprays and other things being sold do anything for doggie dental health. I was so hoping that the dry food did at least help with some of the abrasive cleaning- but it does make sense that it would not. So its just trauma and the toothbrush. (Ha!) I don’t want to think of my sweet pup having to be out to sleep for teeth cleaning- so we will continue with the toothbrush episodes — on a much more frequent basis.

  • bandana

    Can anyone tell me that victor ultra pro 42 is good for dog with diabetes?

  • Cindy

    I work with the DD population and that word is no longer considered acceptable in any context and believe me the folks I work with are very aware if they should hear it. It belongs in the archives as we all know there are many other words that are no longer appropriate and if used are very hurtful.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Sorry you feel I “have gone too far” by controlling the insensitive use of a word that’s now considered offensive to those who are afflicted with a mental disability.

    The fact a word might be “real” does not make its use socially acceptable to other members of this or any other community.

    The Disqus language filter only holds a comment for moderation. If the word in question is used in a non-hurtful way, it will approved to be posted.

    However, if it is ever used in the derogatory manner it was used here in this discussion, you can rest assured, it will absolutely, positively be deleted. That’s a promise.

  • dzeldaz

    The word is real and used in non-insulting ways in everyday language. You have gone too far.

  • Crazy4dogs

    So sorry to hear Dori. Thoughts and prayers from this household.

  • LabsRawesome

    I never posted any childish rants. But whatever.

  • Crazy4cats

    Congratulations! That is your first comment that I totally agree with. LOL! I am too old to be engaging in your childish rants. Good point!

  • LabsRawesome

    There you go showing how ridiculous and childish you are. Seriously grow up. You’re way too old to be acting like that.

  • Crazy4cats

    Another lie! Talk to the hand. I’m done!

  • LabsRawesome

    I explained to you that I moved my post to Bobbydog. I did not change my post to her, I just MOVED it up to it’s original position under her post to me. Ask her. She has the email. I do remember posting that pic about big girl panties. But just as a funny joke. Because I thought it was a funny pic. Not in a mean spirited post to you.

  • Crazy4cats

    Exactly, I did. I graciously bowed out and said I over reacted and apologized. I also said I wouldn’t interfere in any of your “private” conversations anymore. You are the one to bring it back up a year later. You could have accepted my apology and moved on. However, for some reason you lashed out at me and brought it all back up again when you were asked not to use a certain word. Not me! This really has nothing to do with opinions on vaccinations anymore. And yes, I am accusing you of editing and deleting posts after the fact only because I’m 100% sure that you did and still are. You had several deleted by the moderator when you were making fun of me. Does “she needs to put her big girl pants on” sound familiar. That was just one of them. Then you edited several responses to me to sound not quite so mean. This time I’m standing up for myself. I agree, we used to have a fun relationship. But, you can’t ever seem to say you are sorry or admit when you are out of line. I’m finally done. Thank goodness. I’m getting sick of myself! LOL!

  • LabsRawesome

    There you go accusing me again! You should get your facts straight before you do that. I moved my post to Bobbydog back to it’s original position under her post to me. So it makes sense, and for continuity. It got bumped down when you replied to her. It makes more sense to have the posts in order. I was talking about the posts in the original supposed incident. They were posted in the thread that I was talking to Sandy&Mila about vaccinations on. That is where I got accused of supposedly implying things to you, by you and Bobbydog. I remember things getting pretty heated on both sides.I have no idea what thread that was, or if those posts were deleted by moderators. At this point I honestly do not even care. You have your point of view, and I have mine. I know for a fact that I never said anything bad about you, and I never said that you were abusing your dogs either. You even admitted yourself that you overreacted to my original posts that were posted to Sandy&Mila.

  • Crazy4cats

    I have never deleted any of my posts nor have I ever had any deleted. That was the end of the subject right there. That will probably change today though! LOL! In fact, you are deleting or having posts deleted right now! I have nothing to hide. I hope the ones referring to DO get deleted. That poster certainly does not deserve your cruel comments. BTW, You are welcome everyone for the show. I hope you all have some popcorn! :)

  • LabsRawesome

    So what? I added a few lines to my post. I didn’t know that was illegal.
    I thought of some more things that I wanted to add. So what’s wrong
    with that? The only reason that I brought up the past is because you
    posted that my post was offensive. I was just pointing out that you are
    offensive to me as well.You guys purposely talked about me This whole
    thing is all so childish. I can’t help what other people think or assume
    when they read my posts.

  • LabsRawesome

    Those are not the only posts that were published on that topic. There were many more posts on that subject. I have no idea where they were posted at tho. Or if they were deleted. I don’t even really care at this point. You guys read my posts, and came to your own conclusions as to what you thought I was saying, implying. or inferring. I never actually said anything you claimed I did.

  • Crazy4cats

    Thank you for posting that BDog. We were really mean, weren’t we? And btw, you can’t edit posts on the forum so we know for sure that was the original unchanged post.

  • LabsRawesome

    So what? I added a few lines to my post. I didn’t know that was illegal. I thought of some more things that I wanted to add. So what’s wrong with that? The only reason that I brought up the past is because you posted that my post was offensive. I was just pointing out that you are offensive to me as well.You guys purposely talked about me This whole thing is all so childish. I can’t help what other people think or assume when they read my posts.

  • LabsRawesome

    It is not me that anyone has to walk on eggshells around. I’m not the one so easily offended by every little word that everyone says. You and Bobbydog got offended by something that I never even actually said. And Dog obsessed is the one that took the word I was using and twisted it into a totally different thing. I can’t help it if her mind goes to a dark place and associates that word with handicapped or autistic people. I DO NOT associate that word with those people. And I was talking about a vet, not a handicapped person. The only reason I brought up the old “supposed incident” is because Bobbydog was so quick to point out that I was being offensive, I was just pointing out to her that she is not perfect and she was offensive to me as well. In both of these cases my words were twisted by the readers of my comments. This is what all the other regulars that don’t post here anymore are saying about this site as well.

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Labs:
    Your above post to me has changed quite a bit since your original reply. Here is the original post I received notification of in my e-mail:
    “You just don’t like me because I supposedly attacked Crazy4cats, Which I never even did anything to her. I was having a conversation with Sandy&Mila about vaccines, C4C put herself into that conversation, not me. If you don’t like my posts don’t read them. At least I don’t talk about people behind their back on the Coupons thread.”

    I really think bringing something up from so long ago is not healthy or productive and you need to move on.

    Here is the conversation that happened a long time ago that you keep referring to. I don’t see anything about an attack:
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/cat-food-recommendations/page/37/

  • Crazy4cats

    Well, apparently, in this case, it is you that we need to walk on eggshells around because someone very nicely and innocently asked you not to use a word that has been deemed offensive by many (including President Obama) and you are still, two days later lashing out at people over the simple request that started your silly rants. I wasn’t holding a grudge, you brought it back up. It had nothing to do with me agreeing with your comment being offensive.

  • LabsRawesome

    No your best friend Bobbydog is the one that said I attacked you. I never changed any of my posts, If they were removed by the moderators that is beyond my control. I never made fun of you in any of my posts ever. People have every right to disagree with me. I don’t recall being rude to anyone for disagreeing with me. I do get upset when people keep posting incorrect information about a brand of dog food or something tho. I never meant to insinuate that you don’t take good care of your dogs. I’m sorry you felt that way, but I can’t help what other people assume that I’m saying. Because I never actually said that. EVER. And I honestly have been told by the regulars that they don’t post on this site anymore because they don’t want to walk on eggshells or innocently post something that offends and hurts people. And they have referred to some of the people on this site as acting like kindergarteners. In my opinion the whole supposed “incident” between me and you got totally blown out of proportion by you Bobbydog. It really wasn’t that big of a deal to me, I did get my feelings hurt by the posts I read about me in the forums. It’s a shame because we were all friendly before that. And now you two are still holding a grudge against me. I’m sorry, but that is childish.

  • Crazy4cats

    I absolutely never, ever, ever said that you attacked me. Never! All of my original posts are still in tact. I did not change, edit or delete any of them. None of them were removed by the moderator. Unlike yours who were both removed by a moderator and changed by you. On the forum, yes, BDog asked me how I was doing after the “event”. And I said that I was embarrassed about my over reaction, but my feelings were hurt because I felt like you insinuated that I was not taking good care of my dogs because A. I had them vaccinated and B. I had them boarded when we were out of town. I never made fun of you or called you any names. I simply stated how your comments made me feel. There it is right out in public now! Although, I’m having a hard time with you saying I talked behind your back on a public forum for everyone to see. You carried on with one of your groupies after that making fun of me for many posts that were all removed by the moderator. Maybe you think I didn’t see them, but I did! I then, came on and apologized for my over reaction and told you that I would never interfere with any of your discussions again. It’s probably still there if you want to go look for it. I definitely did it. I’d appreciate if you gave me the same courtesy and not reply to me again. I honestly think you are a great asset to this site. You have adorable dogs and son. You are funny and are a great advocate for posters looking for a budget friendly food. But if someone disagrees with you, you tend to be very rude. I can’t believe that other posters have left because of me because I’ve never had any issue with anyone but you.

  • LabsRawesome

    I must have missed your apology. I don’t remember reading one. When Sandy&Mila asked me about vaccinations, I told her that I thought most dogs are being over vaccinated. Imo dogs don’t need yearly vaccs. There is research that backs up my opinion. I just don’t understand how my opinion upset you and Bobbydog so much. People get their feelings hurt and get offended way too easily on this site. Then they have a grudge against me forever. It’s all become so childish. I never attacked you or whatever. All I did was state my opinion on vaccinations. I think you were struggling with not really wanting to vaccinate your dogs, but having to, so you could kennel them or something. I know for a fact that I never attacked you in any way. I can tell you this for a fact as well. I have been told by the regulars that no longer post on here that they stopped because of the way people are so easily hurt and offended. It’s like dealing with a bunch of kindergarteners. It’s a real shame too. The regulars we lost were some of the most intelligent, and helpful people on this site.

  • Crazy4cats

    Well, looks like I missed out on some fun while I was at my son’s baseball tournament yesterday. I remember the “event” a little differently. The biggest step that you are leaving out is that I publicly apologized and said I was embarrassed about my overreaction. What I find ironic, however, is that you keep saying that I butt in on a private conversation uninvited. I’m pretty sure that Sioux-Z was posting to Sandy Johnson yesterday. I don’t remember her asking you about your opinion of her vet. Btw, Sandy and Milan was appreciative of my input.

  • LabsRawesome

    Dori, I totally agree. Some of the posters here are very childish and petty. They nit pick every word we say and change it to fit their definition. It is totally ridiculous. So sorry about your friend. Please know that you are both in God’s hands, as you go through this hard time. I will ask my pastor to pray for your friend at our church service today. Sending peace, strength, and love to you both, take care.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    I’m so sorry about your friend Dori. You’re in my thoughts and prayers.

  • Dori

    Ignore this post Sandy Johnson. I thought it was someone else posting.

  • Dori

    Oh, sorry. Don’t know why I responded to Sandy Johnson. Having a tough evening here. I’m taking a break from DFA. It’s all gotten to be a bit too much for me. I’ve got one of my best friends dying (sp?), hospice says by the end of the weekend, and I am totally spent, and to be arguing about what words we use is a bit too childish. I will not be put in a position that i have to worry about every word that I say for fear that some overly sensitive sole will be offended. Labs, I’ll see you on FB. Love you, lady, but for now I’m outta here.

  • LabsRawesome

    Dori, the original poster that got bad advice from her vet was Sioux-z. Not Sandy Johnson.

  • Dori

    I’m so happy for your dog that you realized that all on your own. Good for you and most importantly good for your dog’s health.

  • LabsRawesome

    WOW. It’s weird how I make a comment about a Vet and people with no reading
    comprehension skills can somehow correlate that with handicapped and
    autistic people. Anyone with a functioning frontal lobe can understand that I was not even talking about actual handicapped or autistic people. If that is a word that you automatically associate with handicapped people that is your association,not mine. There is a huge difference in what I actually said and what I’m being accused of saying.

  • LabsRawesome

    Yeah they all think their so perfect and better than me. I did absolutely nothing to C4C, But they all talked about me in the forums behind my back on the coupon thread. They thought I wouldn’t see their posts, but I did. It was all blown out of proportion just like my comment on this thread was. The way people act on this site is ridiculous. They blow stuff up for no reason.

  • Dori

    Wow Labs. I’m glad I missed that.

  • Dori

    Good grief! I honestly hope that in this day and age of enlightenment people are not referring to Autism and other disabilities as retards!! That’s disgusting. That used to happen when I was a kid in grammar school but I’m 66 years old. I find it hard to believe it is still going on. This is a very sad statement on our society. I didn’t use that word in any of my posts and I don’t recall who did but as it is not a definition of Autism or any other disability I doubt it was meant as a put down of people with disabilities.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    I am certain no harm was intended with the use of this word.

    However, according to the current Wiki definition, the word you are discussing here today is “no longer socially acceptable” and is also considered “extremely offensive to those with mental disabilities”.

    That’s because the term itself “is designed to degrade or hurt. Since this word carries so many negative connotations several organizations are working to eradicate its usage.”

    For this reason, the “r-word” has now been added to our Disqus language filter. So, going forward, any comment containing it will be automatically held for moderation — and ultimately will be deleted.

    Thanks for your understanding.

  • LabsRawesome

    No using the word retarded does not have to have any correlation to a person with actual disabilities. Which is not the way I used it. I would never call a handicapped person names. This is getting blown up for no reason.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Yes, I am aware of that. But using the word to mean “stupid” implies that it is a characteristic of someone with autism/disabilities, which it is not. I know it is a word frequently used in daily conversation, and I have nothing against you personally for using it, but just because a word has been used in a certain way for a long time doesn’t mean things can’t change.

  • LabsRawesome

    I was not talking about a person with autism or disabilities.. I was talking about a person that is acting stupid.

  • LabsRawesome

    You must live a really sheltered life. Just sayin

  • LabsRawesome

    You just don’t like me because I supposedly attacked Crazy4cats, Which I never even did anything to her. I was having a conversation with Sandy&Mila about vaccines, C4C put herself into that conversation, not me. If you don’t like my posts don’t read them. At least I don’t talk about people behind their back on the Coupons thread.

  • Bobby dog

    Offensive is an understatement.

  • Bobby dog

    Amen!

  • Crazy4cats

    I agree and it is probably offensive to the original poster who came on here to express how well their dog is doing on Just Food For Dogs and have their vet get called names.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Agreed. I just don’t like the word “retard” because I feel it is insulting to people with Autism/other disabilities, even if not used intentionally to be hurtful.

  • Dori

    We can call him any other name you’d like, bottom line is he’s giving some seriously damaging advice for a dog with serious health issues.

  • Dori

    I’m always eating or chewing on ice. I’ve yet to crack or chip a tooth. Maybe it too is making my teeth stronger? What do you think BC and Labs?

  • Crazy4dogs

    My vet is actually a dental specialist, 1 of only 6 in my state and does the Zoo and aquarium animals. Years before he had the additional expertise of being a dental specialist he told me that using kibble to keep teeth clean was a myth. If the vet wants to keep the jaw strong, give him some healthy chews whether they are toys or various raw bones, bully sticks, cow ears, etc. Otherwise you’ll have to brush.

  • Crazy4dogs

    My dentist also says the same thing about biting down on hard stuff like ice and popcorn kernels (yes, I do the popcorn kernels) but he says that it can cause the teeth to crack. I think it depends on the person’s teeth. My husband has cracked teeth. Luckily, I haven’t had that problem.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    I agree that this vet does not seem well-informed, but can we please try to find a different word than “retarded?”

  • theBCnut

    My dentist is definitely more worried about people eating things that are too hard rather than not eating something that is hard enough. He seems to think chipping teeth is a real issue. Go figure!

  • theBCnut

    Hard candy. Just sayin’.

  • sandy johnson

    Hi Barbara

    I’m so happy that your dog is doing well!

  • sandy johnson

    Hi Sioux-z

    The Vet is probably trying to help even though the advice they gave is as wrong as can be!

    A small meal of dry food will only make things worse. It WON’T clean teeth and it WILL make diabetes control more difficult.

  • Dori

    OK now, I’m laughing so hard my three dogs jumped on me. I shall definitely ask my dentist to re-think his position on my eating really hard stuff because they actually could help keep my teeth more securely seated in my jaw. Is he just trying to make money off me by having my teeth become un-seated because of his advise on eating hard stuff. Then I’ll have to re-think why he’s always giving me such a hard time about my opening things with my teeth. I feel they are very handy and one doesn’t always have something else on one.

  • Dori

    I’m actually thinking the latter is what it is which is what I find all the more frightening. Sooner or later one or more are going to be sued for malpractice as well they should but the dog will still be dead. Maybe some of these type vets aren’t licensed at all but are actually quacks. After all we have that in the human medical field. Wouldn’t it be even easier to pose as a vet? Print yourself up a license, buy a coupe of outdated books for sale and off you go.

  • Dori

    OMG! I love Corn Nuts but I too doubt that my teeth have become stronger due to eating copious amounts of them. They have given me stomach aches but not strong teeth.

  • theBCnut

    Now, no one said anything about it cleaning the teeth. I was wondering if chewing something hard was supposed to keep them seated in the jaw or something. Who knows?!?
    Border Collies, potato chips, who knew?

  • theBCnut

    My dentist thinks I should eat less on those hard things. I’m addicted to Corn Nuts. But I do have strong teeth. Somehow, I don’t think it’s because of chewing Corn Nuts.
    Border Collies, potato chips, who knew?

  • Dori

    Hi Sioux-z Jessup. Please think about this carefully. If your own dentist told you to eat hard crunchy crackers, granola bars, or whatever to keep your teeth clean and strong, what do you think your reaction would be? Wouldn’t he actually be telling you to brush your teeth daily to keep your teeth and gums healthy? Also, a dog or person that needs to keep there glucose even (I’m assuming diabetes) should not be eating carbs which are inevitable in a dry dog food. Glad he’s enjoying Just Food For Dogs. I’ve heard great things about it. Unfortunately it’s not available in my area or I would be feeding it in rotation also.

  • LabsRawesome

    I think some people post stupid sh!t and say a vet gave them that advice, just to try and make what their saying seem more legit. Either that or their vet is actually retarded.

  • Dori

    I’m guessing this is the day for vets giving out crazy advice for their patients. Dry food for diabetic dogs to clean their teeth and chocolate being okay to feed along with grapes and raisins? What’s going on in the vet world? Even every traditional vet I’ve ever gone to were quite adamant about not feeding them grapes, raisins, onions, macadamia nuts and most especially chocolate and if I wanted to keep my dogs teeth and gums healthy was to brush them with a dog toothpaste and a soft bristle tooth brush. Again, what’s going on in the veterinary world. I thought they would be moving forward not back ward. This is some seriously crazy advice and harmful advice.

  • LabsRawesome

    It’s time to look for a new vet, because your vet is retarded. Crunchy kibble cleans a dogs teeth about as good as crunchy crackers clean your teeth. Which is not at all.

  • Dori

    Please don’t give your diabetic dog dry food. Dry food does not clean teeth. That is such an outdated myth that it’s difficult to believe that it’s still floating around out there especially worse is that this advice is coming to you from your vet. YIKES! Brush your dogs teeth with a dog appropriate tooth paste to keep your dogs teeth clean.

  • Dori

    Let’s not forget crackers and popcorn for healthy teeth too!

  • LabsRawesome

    WTH?

  • theBCnut

    To keep his teeth strong?!? Feed a diabetic dog a high carb meal to keep his teeth strong?!? Oh brother. That’s a new one for me. Try a chew toy or playing tug or a bone.

  • Sioux-z Jessup

    Hi Sandee,
    My dog has been eating Just Food For Dogs for a month now since he got out of surgery. He LOVES it. Owner, Sean, is great. But, vet said I should give him a small meal of dry food maybe once a day to keep his teeth strong. I haven’t found one yet. Meanwhile, I give him 4-5 small meals a day of JFFD to keep his glucose even.

    Best,

    Sioux-z

  • sandy johnson

    Hi Sandee

    I’ve been taking care of diabetic dogs for 18 years now. The only time I ever ran into trouble with very bad blood sugars and the complications that go with it was when I fed the prescription diets my vet recommended.

    When I prepare their meals myself they do great!

    I’m familiar with Just For Dogs.Their diabetic formula is too high in carbs for me but their facilities and their ingredients are top notch. I’m a firm believer in fresh low carb diets for diabetic dogs. Just For dogs is fresh and close to homemade. I would ask them to make a higher protein lower carb version of their diabetic food for your pup. Less starch and more protein will equal a healthier dog and you’ll be able to control their diabetes better:)

  • https://twitter.com/barbarajean1951 Barbara Langner

    Hello Sandee.I also have a Min pin that is 11 now and Diabetic a year now.She is doing good on her 6 units Humulin N AM and PM.I am trying her on Science Diet Light for small breed dogs.There is a great group on Facebook that has lots of help and info.Canine Diabetes Support and Information: https://www.facebook.com/groups/CanineDiabetesSupportandInformation/

  • Sandee

    My dog is an extremely unstable diabetic who has had several bouts of pancreatitis. She is a little bag-of-bones minpin. I had her on dry W/D, which was horrible for her diabetes (dry food in general is bad for them). I had switched many months ago to to wet food W/D only which I thought had helped out quite a bit. She just got released from the vet due to a case of pancreatitis and they have been unable to control her blood sugars, PLUS she looks beyond malnourishedwhen they sent her home. I started looking at the W/D ingredients….which just don’t seem all that great. I needed to get her on a high protein diet with minimal complex carbs with low glycemic index values. I found a local (in Newport, CA) vendor called Just For Dogs who make an all natural, minimal ingredient food just for diabetic dogs and pancreatic support. I am determined to get my dog in the most optimal health possible with the most minimal amout of insulin necessary.

  • Lablover44

    oooppps, after I vent I see Sandy Johnson’s reply….sorry.

  • Lablover44

    I am in the same situation!! The food the veterinarian put my dog on is CORN!! It is Purina DCO and I have asked the vet several times why a diabetic dog would get corn and have not gotten a satisfactory answer. I called Purina and they said the fiber content is why they can be given corn. Bologna!!! It is all about money for them and I just want to do what is best for my dog. I have a Labrador and she is on 12.5 units but her levels fluxuate so much that I think a better food would help. Can anyone just a good quality food?

  • Cindy

    Yes at the pharmacy, we use Novolin N by Reli On, it is also equal to Humilin which we were prescribed first and then Walmart changed to Novolin and our vet said we could use either.

  • Kittenkeller60

    Cindy R u saying u got your insulin at Walmart cause I went on line to walmart and its saying they don’t have it ..R u using the brand vetsulin or R u using a different brand

  • Cindy

    Hi Dawn

    I have an 11yr old schnauzer who was diagnosed with diabetes 5 yrs ago. She gets 19 units 2X a day at $25 a bottle @ Walmart…lasts a month. I researched it and use Holistic Select senior dry food… $45 for 30lbs @ chewy.com. She goes to the vet each year and maintains 21 lb weight. Her gluclose is 127 on this schedule. I have 2 more very healthy schnauzers and they love this food also. I also add a 1/3 can of ScienceDiet canned light on top of dry for variety. Hope this helps.

  • Sabrina

    Nutrisca, orijen or live free

  • sandy johnson
  • Dawn C

    Hello, We are looking for a good dry food to feed our Pom she is 13 and was diagnosed a couple years ago. She has been on Hill’s W/D 1/4 cup twice daily since diagnosis. She did well with loosing weight and went from 2 IU twice a day to 1 IU twice a day. I just took her in today because she is now underweight. She has no fat or muscle. You can feel her spine like dinosaur bones. They said “oh 1/4 is such a small amount for that food increase it to 1/2.” Hello your the ones that put her on that and haven’t changed it. t took her having a seizure for them to lower her insulin after she lost all the weight.

    I am really very unhappy with the W/D I want to put her on a better quality food that will be more filling also. She is a starving little girl. I was looking at the ingredient list and can’t believe that she is on a corn based food corn equals sugar and starch.

    Thank you for all the help.

  • Anita

    Thank you so much for the info.

  • Anita

    Thank you Sandy, I use lean meats, brown rice, carrots, peas, probiotic every day. He takes multi-vitamin, omega-3 so I am still in shock that he is diabetic, he is only 3yrs old. I have three other dogs a Lab-mix rescue from the street, two Maltese-bichon sisters that were in the euthanasia list in the shelter, sick with pneumonia and by now you know that I LOVE MY DOGS. Mr. Wiggles came to my life when I had 5 dogs and I did not one another but I just hate to see dogs going to killing shelters. I order the Life Free to mixed with his regular food minus rice. Any suggestion about using Flax seed and barley? Any one using H2O2 food grade in the distilled water? I just read an article last night.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    It’s great that you want to start cooking for your dog! You will have to make sure you are feeding a complete diet, not just some protein and carbs. Dogaware.com has some good recipes: http://dogaware.com/diet/homemade.html

    Also, you could consider using a base mix. These mixes are designed to be part of a complete diet, and you add the protein source. Here’s some more info on base mixes: http://dogaware.com/diet/dogfoodmixes.html

    Good luck!

  • sandy johnson

    HI Anita

    use lean meats, chicken, turkey, beef, buffalo, venison,

    unsweetened applesauce, organic canned pumpkin, green beans, squash,

    3 parts meat, 1 part veggies

    Get a good supplement like wysong call of the wild or balanceit carnivore blend.

    alternate digestive enzymes and probiotics daily

    feed fish high in omega 3 once a week

    buy a book like Dr Karen Beckers Real food for dogs and cats

  • Brenda East

    Thank You For Your Help So Very Much.
    I went into petsense and with the help of a friend working there – compared labels of blue freedom grain free and natures recipe grain free – easy to digest, ( chicken sweet potato & pumpkin) Natures recipe has more protein than the blue. i also compared Natures to the hill science w/d – it was close on all levels. my dogs are loving this Natures recipe so i’m going to see if we can get by on this and the 2 two shots a day. so far so good. but only been a week. praying for a miracle. this Natures food is not cheap $60.00 for 24lbs. I found this on the internet : How to Quickly Calculate the
    Carbohydrate Content of Any Dog Food

    Basically, the bulk of all dog foods consist of four major nutrients…

    Proteins
    Fats
    Carbohydrates
    Moisture (water)

    In addition, all these products include something called ash. Ash is the non-combustible mineral residue that’s left over after burning away all the protein, fats and carbohydrates.

    Ash content usually measures about five to eight percent of each finished product1 . So, I routinely allow about 8 percent as a benchmark for this important variable.

    Together, the protein, fat, ash, carbohydrate and water content must account for roughly 100 percent of the total pre-cooking weight of any dog food.

    OK. Now, some simple math…

    Subtract the reported protein, fat, water and ash percentages from the 100 percent total. And you’ll get a fairly good idea of the carbohydrate content in that dog food.

    By the way, if you’re wondering why I’m ignoring the fiber content… it’s because fiber is actually a carbohydrate. So, its percentage is automatically included in your carbohydrate calculations.

    A Real Life Example

    Say a particular dog food contains 26% protein, 14% fat and 10% water. Now, allowing for an ash content of 8%… how much carbohydrate should you expect to find in that product?

    No problem…

    Simply start with a total of 100 percent… then subtract the protein, fat and moisture. And don’t forget to allow for an average ash content of about 8 percent, too.

    Carbohydrates = 100% – 26% – 14% – 10% – 8% = 42%

    In other words, if you remove all the “known” nutrients from the food, you’d be left with just the carbohydrates… in this case, about 42 percent.

    im hoping this information is correct. I used this to choose this Nature’s Recipe Food.

  • Anita

    Eileenindallas, thank you for the info. I will try with my Yorkie, the vet told me yesterday that he is diabetic. I cook for him, but I don’t know what to do now. Any one have a good recipe.

  • sandy johnson

    hi eileen

    What do you mean by wonderful regulation? My vet used to tell me when I was feeding his prescription foods that blood sugars between 150 and 250 was wonderful regulation.

    When I home cook or occasionally feed them a low carb canned food I can keep their blood sugars between 90 and 140 24 hours a day.

  • sandy johnson

    hi eileen

    I have 3 with diabetes. I adopted my first diabetic pup in 1997. Back then I cooked for them and they did great. I fed them a low carb diet because that’s what my husband on for his diabetes.

    A couple of years later my vet convinced me to put them on a prescription diet and things went downhill.

    When I cooked for them I had their blood sugars in a range between 95 and 160. On the prescription diet the best I could do was blood sugars between 150 and 250.

    I stuck with it the vet’s food for a year or two watching as they went blind and developed kidney disease. I kept trying and adjusting their insulin and trying different insulins and when I couldn’t take it anymore I started cooking for them again and now I keep their blood sugars between 90 and 140 24 hours a day.

  • NOB

    try this for a quick introduction to great food til you find a good fit..all natural 10lbs for $14.95 my dog loved it its way to expensive but the sample was great deal My girl is a diabetic and has never got her levels correct. Cost me 12k in 3 yrs for vet and hospital

  • eileen

    Hi Eileen,

    I’ve seen countless diabetic dogs that were once unregulated find wonderful regulation not only with W/D but with other prescription foods as well.
    There is no one perfect food for all diabetics ( wouldn’t life be much simpler ), all one can do is try a particular food that fits the needs of a diabetic and see how it works for their dog.

  • Brenda East

    My 13 yr-old Corgi has been diagnosed with diabetes and i have been
    searching the internet for a any type of food i for diabetes. My dog
    doesnt like the Hills science diabetes food – wont eat it. So i found a
    recipe for ground turkey and whole grain rice. I’ve been feeding my dogs
    ground turkey, with whole grain rice and now it’s so time consuming for
    me. Is there anything i can buy my dogs that they might like ? This
    recipe has cut her blood sugar level down but it’s impossible to get her
    to eat it and my other corgi a 4 yr old (not diagnosed with diabetes)
    wont eat if the 13yr old wont eat. I’m so frustrated !

  • ImAnIndependent

    Yes: Changed cold turkey.

  • Debbie

    Good for you, glad to hear it. Do I understand you correctly that you just switched him from one to the other all at once and kept track of his numbers? THanks again

  • ImAnIndependent

    I just started giving him Blue Freedom grain free since my other greyhound eats it. My wife is diabetic and she tested his blood using both products, He also used to get me up 2 or 3 times a night to pee and drank copious amounts of water. Didn’t get me up last night and his thirst has abated.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    First, the other Yorkie doesn’t have diabetes so he does not require a food specifically for diabetes. He should be eating just a regular food and enjoying the variety since he does not have a restricting condition.

  • David

    Thanks Sandy. Wondering if you could tell me a bit more why you wouldn’t suggest feeding the prescription food to our other Yorkie? Thanks!

  • ImAnIndependent

    I would not feed any Purina to any animal. Benefull is one of the worst. Open the bag and smell the formaldyhyde (which contributes to cancer,)

  • ImAnIndependent

    Try Blue grain free dry, My dog went from 266 blood sugar on Hill’s WD dry to 136 on Blue grian free dry.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    If you go to the forum section and do a search for diabetes, there are several conversations about it. Also, I would not feed a prescription diet to the other yorkie who does not have diabetes. If you do find a low carb diet option other than the prescription food, then both could eat that, for instance if you went with a low carb food such as Wellness Core canned food. A low carb option dry food would include ZiwiPeak or Only Natural Pet MaxMeat. If you look at these two food’s ingredient lists, you will notice they don’t include alot of plant matter (fruit and veggies) which are carbohydrates. Also, the protein and fat listed are actually minimum amounts, which means they are actually higher which means the overall carbohydrate content will be lower.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/search/diabetes/

  • David

    Hello – Glad I found this thread as we are trying to acquire as much information as possible for one of our dogs that was just diagnosed with diabetes 2 weeks ago. After a stint in the emergency hospital this weekend due to the pharmacy giving him the incorrect insulin and this causing keytones and pancreatitis, he is home!

    Previously we were feeding him (and his brother) Cesar wet food with Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier kibble. They sent him home with some Hills W/D which he picked at this morning. His brother came running into us with a look of “what the heck is that”? :) I asked the vet about some of the info on this thread and when I mentioned Wellness Core, they said we should stick to the Vet Prescribed ones as they are the only ones where information has been verified/proven.

    Has anyone received different info just in case our dogs do not like the Royal Canin diabetic food we already ordered. And our other dog (another Yorkie) does not have diabetes but they eat together, so we’ll have to shift him over to this diet as well. Hopefully he likes it and its good for him too. Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks

  • Sabrina

    Please don’t do vet foods unless you read the ingredients and think its ok to feed your dog that. Live free, orijen and nutrisca are grain free foods that have a very low glycemic level. I just helped a customer onto live free and its the 1st time in 2 years her dog Jesse’s levels were down. She was eating the purina diabetic food! (one of the most disgusting foods I’ve seen) Please get educated and don’t just listen to me, someone else on here, or your vet. Be informed!

  • dogist

    HI eileen,

    You don’t understand the first thing about what it feels like to have a blood sugar of 50, or a blood sugar of 500. You can only guess what it is your dog is going through. I live it.

    I have been fighting diabetes.for 30 years now. I know what it feels like to have wide blood sugar swings, and complications. I know what it’s like to take the well-meaning advice of some Doctor or organization that thinks high carb, low quality, or species inappropriate diets are OK for diabetics.

    I know what it’s like to live that lie and the toll it takes upon you.

    And that is why I have chosen to share what I know, and to help diabetic people and dogs live longer healthier lives.

  • Eileenindallas

    Hi EIleen We have the same name:)

    I foster pups with diabetes. The Vet sold me Hills W/D said it was the best for diabetes dogs. They never thrived. Always sluggish developed cataracts blindness. Blood tests all over the place. High sugar-low sugar never knew from day to day how my pups would be. Broke my heart.

    Went to see a holistic Vet in July. SHe Told me W/D was the worst food for a diabetes dog. Switched to Evo and Live-free-half wet half dry. It was a miracle:) Kidneys improved. Energy improved we lowered insulin, sugars improved- everything evened out. Threw out the lastbag of W/D. Never feed Hills W/D .

    The Holistic Vet told me W/D was killing lots of diabetes dogs and every diabetes dos dog she treated did a million times better after switching to higher quality food. SHe said the ingredients were so bad for diabetes dogs.
    Eileen

  • eileen

    Hi Rita,

    There is no one specific brand of dog food that works well for all diabetic dogs, it is dog individual,what works for one may not for the next.
    There are dogs well controlled eating Hills W/D, to Royal Canin, Wellness Core to Purina One…just to mention a few.
    Read labels, try a food…monitor carefully and you can determine how that food and insulin works for your pup.

  • dogist

    Hi Rita,

    If your dog doesn’t have a problem with fat, Wellness Core Dog Food (Canned) is a good food. You could also look through the 5 star canned foods for anything low-carb (below 10%) that meets AAFCO nutrient profiles.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/wet/5-star/

    Good Luck!

  • Rita

    Can you please give SPECIFIC BRANDS of dog food for diabetic dogs?

  • eileen

    Hi dogist,
    Thank you for your offer, tho I’ve been actively treating canine/feline diabetes…hands on…day after day, month after month, year after year for 10.5 years now…living with the disease 24/7.
    I have every confidence in that I know what I am doing, maybe could even teach you a few things with how an ACTUAL diabetic dog owner lives with the disease.

    Feel free to ask any questions you may have.

  • dogist formerly usa dog treats

    Hi eileen,

    I would love to help you and anyone you know figure out a way to overcome whatever obstacles you are having in regards to diabetes control!

    Please let your friends know they can come to DFA and post about whatever issues they might be having.

    They could go over their dog’s current age, weight, health, lifestyle, diet, insulin regimen, blood tests, etc, and we would see what we can do to help them out!

  • eileen

    Not entirely true, our diabetic dogs often DO require a carb source to prevent the rapid drop in glucose levels that is sometimes seen post injection.
    This more so found to be the case with Vetsulin users as the 35% fast acting portion will send the glucose levels too low too quickly unless there is a carbohydrate available to gently prevent this drop from occurring.
    This is often why some dogs will see hypoglycemia and/or rebounding issues soon after injection.

    The right carbs are NOT the enemy when matched to the injected insulin.

  • dogist

    Hi Jill,

    A low carb high protein, fresh, lightly cooked or canned diet is much more appropriate for ALL dogs than a starchy kibble. It is especially beneficial for Diabetic dogs.

    Thy Glycemic Index measures the Glycemic Load of different foods. Foods with a lower score release the sugars they contain SLOWER than foods with a higher score. So 28 grams of carbohydrates from table sugar is released faster than 28 grams of sugar from sweet potatoes.

    Unfortunately diabetes is a disease where the body is unable to break down carbohydrates and use them for energy. Since dogs have NO need for dietary carbohydrates and they are responsible for the complications that result from high blood sugars, I think you should look into a properly balanced, ultra-low carbohydrate diet for your diabetic dog instead of a starchy, overly processed kibble.

    Good Luck and give your pup a hug for me!!!

  • eileen

    DogFoodie,

    Altho I think sources such as the GRI can be beneficial with general information I do not think they should be used as a determining factor with whether one food may work better than another for all diabetic dogs in general.

    With our dogs being type 1 insulin dependent diabetics and not type 2 where one works at controlling the blood sugar levels thru diet the glycemic index does not necessarily apply in the same fashion.
    I’ve seen many diabetics dogs who do require a carb source in their diets to help achieve good glucose control as many see a fast action from the injected insulin so require these carbs to help prevent that drop and to help flatten the curve.

    I do not believe the nutritional needs can be lumped into one category for every diabetic dog.

    As an example, for some dogs oatmeal causes a tremendous glucose spike, while for others when fed oatmeal it shows a slow release.

    Every single dog is different.

    Not sure if this even answered your question.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    I remember there was some controversy about the owner of the site. I just looked at the site and it hasn’t been updated with any new foods. Even previous formula lines are listed.

  • DogFoodie

    Hi Eileen,

    I’d be curious to know your opinion of the GRI. At one time, I once thought that it looked like a valuable source of information, but then it didn’t appear that the website was updated with any sort of regularity, so I stopped making referrals to it.

    http://www.gripetfoods.com/index.htm

  • eileen

    Hi Jill,

    As stated in the text above, ” In general, dog foods with the lowest carbohydrate content exhibit a lower glycemic index.”

    Check labels, what works for one may not for the next, much also depends upon how your dog digests his food as well as processing his insulin, even the type of insulin being used matters when choosing a food.

    The glycemic index is based on human needs, it does not always work the same for our dogs.

    Our diabetic dogs generally do require carbs to some extent, again dependent on the dog.
    Some that feed grain free choices end up having to add an additional carb source to their dog’s diet to help prevent the sharp drop post injection that some will see.

    Much is trial and error.

  • Jill

    I really wanted to know what Kind of dog foods offer a low glycemic count. I have tried reading through your posts, but frankly it’s as if a bunch of children were on the play ground bickering. Could someone give me a few suggestions of dry foods that might be worthy? I know this sounds harsh, but I have just wasted a great deal of my time trying to read through this. I know your intentions are to help others, but it is all very over whelming. Thank you.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Do you seriously want me to post how USA dog treats links back to you? And fyi..all the info I found is PUBLIC and mostly provided by you directly.

  • dogist

    You just wrote:

    “When you use a business name as your “handle” on a public forum, its not rocket science to think someone would type said business name into google at some point in time. Not a whole lot of tracking involved in that”

    So when you previously wrote:

    “I did not find a single mention of your medical or veterinary degrees.”

    You were expecting to find that information in a search you did for USA Dog Treats?

    And are you also claiming that a search for USA Dog Treats is how you found:

    “great reviews on your (my) Pomeranian shaving and bathing skills”

    I don’t think you are telling the truth Melissa.!

    The truth is you used my name and other private information in your attempt to track me down.

  • dogist

    Amen to that.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Honestly I dont really care. I asked for credentials. If you are in fact a health care provider, great. If not then simply do not use language that may lead people to think you are. I am done with this conversation as its really nor fair to draw attention away from the purpose of this website.

  • dogist

    Mike,

    If you have any questions please contact me privately and I will be happy to answer them!

  • Melissaandcrew

    Lets get something clear. When you use a business name as your “handle” on a public forum, its not rocket science to think someone would type said business name into google at some point in time. Not a whole lot of tracking involved in that.

  • dogist

    She did try to track me down. In case you missed it:

    “You see, I had some free time this am, and while I found great reviews on your Pomeranian shaving and bathing skills, I did not find a single mention of your medical or veterinary degrees.”

  • dogist

    I thought it fair to let you know I edited my comment above.

  • theBCnut

    I felt that him saying you are trying to track him down was character assassination. Talk about pot calling kettle…

  • Bobby dog

    ;)

  • Melissaandcrew

    I hardly find asking someone for credentials, who has given themselves a professional title of a medical care provider to be character assassination or accusation. However, the fact that you are removing that title (Diabetes Counselor) from your postings is answer enough.

  • eileen

    ;-)