Diabetic Dog Food

Share

The following items represent some of The Dog Food Advisor’s most frequently asked questions about diabetic dog food.

Where can I get suggestions for specific dog foods for my diabetic dog?

Diabetes is a serious condition and can be life threatening. The food you select can play a crucial role in your dog’s treatment. Consult your dog’s veterinarian first for specific product recommendations.

What kinds of foods make the best candidates for my diabetic dog?

Public information regarding canine diabetes and diet appears to be somewhat limited.

To help keep blood sugar stable, one should look for foods that contain moderate dietary fiber and a low-glycemic index.

How much fiber should a diabetic dog consume?

Although higher dietary fiber was initially believed to be beneficial, recent studies have suggested there may be no real advantage to high fiber diets compared to the moderate type associated with most commercial foods.1

What is the glycemic index?

The glycemic index is a scientific measure of how easily a particular food can be converted to blood glucose (sugar).

Dog foods with a low glycemic index exhibit less of a tendency to raise a dog’s blood glucose (sugar) level than others.

What type of dog foods have a lower glycemic index?

In general, dog foods with the lowest carbohydrate content exhibit a lower glycemic index.

Since most kibbles are carbohydrate based, low-carb canned foods should be given serious consideration when selecting candidates for diabetic pets.

Footnotes

  1. Rand JS et al, Centre for Companion Animal Health, School of Veterinary Science, The University of Queensland, “Diet in the prevention of diabetes and obesity in companion animals”, Asia Pacific Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2003;12 Suppl:S6
  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Joan, Welcome to DFA!

    You wrote a whole cautionary post about how a diet that consists of over 30% protein is very dangerous to both people and dogs. How it could help to kill your dogs and put you on dialysis.

    And you also wrote:

    “Primal raw is incredible – the best course of action is the raw diet that has what the dogs/wolves,coyotes, eat in the wild”

    I agree with your Primal Raw statement 100% but you contradict yourself.

    There are 5 different Primal formulas reviewed here on the Dog Food Advisor, 4 raw and and 1 freeze-dried. Their average protein content measured on a dry matter basis is 48.6%

    First you sat how anything above 30% protein “could kill them (dogs) much quicker than they needed to go”

    Then you recommend a line of foods that has an avg protein level of 48.6%.

    This is the kind of contradictory “advice” that confuses people instead of helping them!

  • Shawna

    Hi Joan,

    Newer research, that has actually been done on dogs, has demonstrated over and over again that the amount of protein has no impact on the kidneys. They’ve actually known this for some 20 years now but the myth is so ingrained that it is hard to get views changed.

    The dog in my avatar has had kidney disease since birth. She turned eight years old the end of June and has been on a HIGH protein diet (45 to 54%) since coming to me at 9 weeks of age. High protein doesn’t make her sick but kibble, with any amount of protein, does.

    There’s ample data on the subject but here’s two that I particularly like.
    “Long-term renal responses to high dietary protein in dogs with 75% nephrectomy.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3702209

    This paper is dated 1999 (they’ve known for some time) “Mythology of Protein Restriction for Dogs with Reduced Renal Function” http://dogaware.com/files/bovee.pdf

  • Joan Perot

    hate to tell you guys but in human & dogs high protein wacks the kidneys. It took the medical community 20 yrs to make the announcement – but they finally did.

    Diabetic dogs already have taxed kidneys.

    Unless your dog is in agility trials or Frisbee competitions – they do not need over 30% protein & more could kill them much quicker than they needed to go.

    People also! Although the docs don’t usually say anything to you about it til you’re on dialysis – ugh.

  • Joan Perot

    uh – do you know how horrifically dangerous tramadol is??? People think tylenol is bad – holy cow!

  • Joan Perot

    Lymphomyosot. Get some & give her 2 drops a few times a day or as God directs you. It’s AMAZING. I’ve been using it for years – then I found out dogs can have it too & the stories friends have told!

    It actually detoxes & helps the body remove debris from the lymph system.

    It is awesome for when you think you’re coming down with the flu – or you get a bump under your arm, etc.

    Bad teeth – the list is endless.

  • Joan Perot

    Nutrisca is the best – you’re right it’s formulated for diabetes & every dog I give it to loves it.

    Also Primal raw is incredible – the best course of action is the raw diet that has what the dogs/wolves,coyotes, eat in the wild – but Primal is the best with no grains, no potatoes, no rice <- rice is a major carb people – so is potato!

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Melody

    You and Chewie are very welcome!!!

    It’s hard to know how Chewie is really doing without testing her blood more often. Only very high or very low blood sugars are evident without testing.

    Since 3 units of Novolin N have the same effect regardless of the meal she eats I am a little confused about why Chewie’s insulin would be exactly the same for three different sized meals.

    For anyone including a vet to fine tune a dog’s insulin requirements based on the food the dog eats the vet or someone else would HAVE to test the blood at least 3 or 4 times a day for a couple of days to develop the proper insulin dosage. Once the dosage was calculated based on blood glucose readings as long as the meals and energy expenditure remained pretty stable then the insulin requirements would also remain stable.

    To establish an insulin regimen I would test her blood first thing in the morning, then 2 hours after each meal. that would be 4 times a day for two days. I would first do this to determine how Chewie is doing on the food she is eating now. Hopefully someone can help you or you could let the vet tech do it and then you would really know if any adjustments are needed to Chewie’s current insulin regimen

    I would also suggest a fructosamine blood test from your vet which will give you Chewies average blood sugar over the last 1 to 2 weeks. Then you will have a much better idea how your baby is doing!

  • http://www.fayettevilleanimalsheltertn.com Melody

    She is on 3 units of Novolin N after each meal Beakfast 1/2 cup dco at 5:30 and the shots are usually about 10 minutes after she eats. 12:00 Lunch 1/8 cup and Dinner at 6:30 with 1/2 cup dco and a heaping Tbsp of 4health canned.
    She has had her blood tests only at the vets office and they do not do the first test until about 8 am so they really don’t know how her levels are first thing in the morning, but this regimen seems to keep her level from spiking or dropping too low with a larger dosage.
    She was not on insulin when she was eating Blue Buffalo.
    She is a very active dog and I have not felt comfortable trying to take a sample of her blood myself to test her at home. There is no one here that can help hold her and that would be necessary for me to get a sample as she is a wiggle worm.
    It is really wonderful being able to discuss this with someone besides her vet for an informed opinion in what is best for Chewie. Once again thank you.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Mike

    The post order always seems to be messed up in the diabetic dog food section. The post I just replied to shows differing responses based on which reply I click on in my email. It makes it hard to follow a conversation and it doesn’t seem to happen on other articles.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Melody

    Can you tell me alittle about her insulin regimen? 3 shots a day of what type(s) of insulin? When do you give the shots and the meals? When do you test her blood sugar?

    What blue Buffalo food was she on? Where her meals and her amount of insulin the same when she was on blue buffalo?

    How do you and your vet determine she is doing OK, blood tests etc.

    Are you open to feeding her a canned food either with or without kibble?

    Sorry for all the questions but if I know a little more about your situation I can make a more informed suggestion.

  • Kerry McMahon

    We check her every twelve hours after a meal it seems to help us keep her more stable. We can give her a shot in the morning for quite a few days and then she will flip and need one in the evening, not sure why and then back again. And that is how she will have to shots a day. She seems to be a little higher when kids come over to play with her or something out of a ordinary day. We were giving her the recommended food amount on the bag months back but she was not putting on the weight she needed. So we give her 1 1/2 times the amount and that seem to work. She has never hiperglucemia or any seizures so we are lucky there. She gets baby carrots for treats and have had no problems. We are very happy now with our figuring out her own plan unlike a year ago we were so frustrated and lost.

  • Kerry McMahon

    Almost forgot we were giving her the recommended serving amount on the bag but at that time she was not gaining her weight back. So we talked to the vet and to up her amount to 1 1/2 the amount and that helped a lot not making her reading any higher. After that we have been just fine.

  • Kerry McMahon

    We test her every twelve hours after she eats it seems to work better for us to keep her stable. we can give her a shot in the morning and she will be fine for days then flip to needing a shot in the evening, not sure why and that is how she will end up with two shots in one day, and then go back again. She seems to be higher when kids come over and play or anything out of a normal day. We still can get spikes once in a while. She has never hiperglucemia or showed any signs of a problem. We did have a scare about three months ago she got sick with high fever, dehydration and would not eat. Took her to the vet and ran tests finding over sized kidneys. Did cancer tests everything came back negative. Finding out that it was a bacterial infection so antibiotics and making her the chicken, peas and brown rice to get her to eat she was better in a week. But with the diabetes they are more susceptible to getting sick.Sure much easier now than when we first started a year ago it was tough. So if I missed anything or you have anymore questions please let me know,:)

  • http://www.fayettevilleanimalsheltertn.com Melody

    Before she was diagnosed with diabetes, I fed her Blue Buffalo because I didn’t want her to eat this type of corn food, but then my vet prescribed this and she seems to be doing okay on it even after two years, but after reading all these articles, now I am hoping that after speaking with my vet on Monday that she will rethink this diet. Is there anything in particular I can’t point out to her that will help? Thanks immensely for your help.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Melody

    High carbs are always something to worry about with a diabetic dog.

    Dog food companies that make foods with a lot of carbohydrates are doing it for one reason, carbs are cheaper than meat.

    Dogs are designed to eat a whole prey diet. Wild dogs will always eat prey animals when they are available and they will only eat a substantial amount of vegetation when prey animals are scarce.

    These are the ingredients for the Purina DCO Dual Fiber Control® Canine Formula:

    “Whole grain corn, dried beet pulp**, poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, pearled barley, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), pea fiber, animal digest, wheat bran…”

    Corn is not an appropriate first ingredient for any dog food. The first ingredient should always be meat for a dog who is primarily a meat eater.

    Dried beet pulp is a filler used for fiber.

    Poultry by product meal is an ingredient that does not even name what variety of poultry it comes from because it contains whatever mixture of birds that are available for a cheap price at the time of manufacture.

    Animal fat can be from any type of poultry or mammal and guess what, a dog is a mammal!

    Animal digest:can be made using toxic? chemicals. “Animal Digest – material which results from chemical and/or enzymatic hydrolysis of clean and un-decomposed animal tissue.”

    Why mitigate carbs with fiber and low glycemic ingredients instead of restricting them as much as possible for any dog but especially a diabetic dog?

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Kerry

    I am glad to hear that your dog is doing well!

    When you say:

    “We give her 1 shot a day of novolin n 3 units some times a second shot a day if she is super active.”

    Do you mean she needs more insulin when she is active or do you feed her more when she is active so you give her a second shot to cover the extra food?

    How often do you test her blood sugar? Before meals? After meals?

  • http://www.fayettevilleanimalsheltertn.com Melody

    Thanks for the reply. Guess the high carbs in this food isn’t something we need to worry about.

  • Kerry McMahon

    She is doing quit well. She has been on dco for 1 year, very active now gained her wait back to where it is healthy. We give her 1 shot a day of novolin n 3 units some times a second shot a day if she is super active. We are very happy now after the ups and downs of regulating her it was tough. She gets baby carrots for treats and once in a while I make boiled chicken breast chopped with pea pods, carrots, and brown rice with her food.

  • Melody

    Am very interested to hear how your dog is doing on the purina dco diet. My boston terrier/chihuhua Chewie, has been on this food for nearly 2 years and does ok with 3 meals and 3 shots daily. But after reading these posts and finding out the dco has 46% carbs I wonder why. Will let my vet know about this website and see what she says also.

  • theBCnut

    For some dogs, it is a life saver.

  • Roz Barnes

    I’m so sorry Julie.

  • Roz Barnes

    Rimadyl is really horrible. My Bentley got really sick on it.

  • mair rolls

    Im so sorry for your loss its heartbreaking. X

  • mair rolls

    Hi I have 2 yorkies one is diabetic which I inject twice a day. The food I feed her is called forthglade it comes in different meat. I keep lamb and rice plus chicken and vegetables, there is no additives in this food.

  • Christy

    To anyone on here with a diabetic pet. Check out this yahoo group. Great group of very supportive and knowledgeable people who are available to talk by phone if needed. They were a great support for me.

    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Oscars_animaldiabetes_support/info

  • Jessica Couture Cox

    I am so sorry for your loss

  • Jessica Couture Cox

    Hi, my Shephard Chloe is 12 and was diagnosed with diabetes. I bought her NUTRISCA dry dog food and she is doing great. I have to buy her the lamb formula because she is allergic to chicken but she loves it. It has no potatoes and is grain free. I was buying it at my local pet food store but was happy to find it recently at Stop and Shop at half of the price. It is made for diabetic dogs which is great. I looked it up on the dog food advisory website and it was rated with their highest rating of five stars. I hope this helps your little girl. Good luck.
    Jess

  • dchassett

    Could very well be. One of my three is a poop eater, of course, she’s the one with all the allergies, etc. etc. which is why I have to feed them all the same food and pick up poop immediately. I don’t walk them on the street they strictly hang in my fenced in yard (small yard as yards go) and I’m out with them so I can pick up poop. What we won’t do for our babies huh?

  • dchassett

    Not Brandy, but I’ve been giving my girls green beans, carrots, fruits (especially berries) and melons for years as treats. I don’t buy store bought dog treats (not since all the dog food recalls started way back when). Then love them, not one signal issue. Now of course you aren’t going to give them a lot. Depends on the size of your dog, weight, etc. In the evening a small carrot is what I give the girls as a treat while it’s t.v. time. On the fruits just make sure not too much and watch the sugar contents.

  • melodieing

    My dog’s blood sugar readings are all over the place, too. I’m beginning to suspect he is eating the other dog’s excrement when my back is turned because he is so hungry all the time.

  • melodieing

    Thank you. Has anyone tried Walgreens?

  • melodieing

    You give them green beans the vegetable for a treat? Is it okay to give them carrots, or is that too many carbs. (I guess when they are raw, they probably just go right through.) Do you feed any dry food or just the Kirkland wet?

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Julie

    I am so sorry to hear about Kira. It is obvious to all of us how much you loved your little girl. You and Kira are in my thoughts!

  • Julie

    Thank you all.. Its going to take a while. She was a huge part of our lives. Especially since she was diagnosed with diabetes and we had to be home at a certain time etc. They did find a tumor in her abdomen Saturday with an ultra sound. So lost right now. We would tell her every night, “lets go to bed”.. didn’t happen last night and I was missing her so much..

  • Julie

    Thank you Betsy. She was so much a part of our lives. We miss her every minute..

  • theBCnut

    Oh, I’m so sorry to hear that. We recently lost one of ours to cancer, so I know how tough it is. I know it’s a painfully hard decision, but whenever you have to make that decision out of compassion for the animal, you’ve done the right thing. Bless you, and I hope time and good memories ease your heart quickly.

  • dchassett

    Praying for you and your family. I’m so very sorry for your loss. It’s so painful. :’(

  • Crazy4cats

    :’(

  • Betsy Greer

    Oh Julie, I’m so sorry to hear of your loss. It’s such a painful, but very compassionate, choice to have to make. Prayers for peace to you.

  • Julie

    Thank you all for your replies. We lost the battle on Saturday. Kira was so sick and they couldn’t get her better so we had to let go and they put her down. (tears) This is sooooo hard..

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Chris

    Welcome to DFA. I’m happy to hear your dog is doing well!

    You said:

    “It’s very simple: you cannot feed your dog a 90% protein diet and no carbs.”

    I agree. The diet I recommend for a dog with diabetes is approximately:

    Protein – 65%
    Fat – 20%
    Carbohydrate – 10%
    Ash – 5%

    This is measured on a dry matter basis and I would adjust it for any special requirements a dog has.

    How would the diet you recommend break down % wise?

    As for you not understanding where I am coming from, I am trying to help dogs with diabetes lead a healthier, happier life!

    Finally, I would respect your opinion on Dr Bernstein’s book a whole lot more if you had actually read it.

  • Shawna

    I was leaving for a meeting when I posted before but I also wanted to address your statement —

    “I guess the lists of required ingredients is based on the bad quality of
    earlier pet foods which contained tons of cheap ingredients and not
    enough proteins and other required nutrients.”

    Dr. Jean Hofve has a really good article on the subject. In the article she discusses how old leather boots and motor oil could pass AAFCO nutrient profiles if enough minerals and synthetic vitamins were added. Pretty sad really… http://www.littlebigcat.com/nutrition/pet-food-regulation/

  • Chris

    There was possibly a misunderstanding regarding my post and the list of required nutrients – as far as I can say, AAFCO adapted the list from the FDA. I put both links in my post.

  • Shawna

    Hi Chris,

    Lay person’s don’t have access, to my knowledge, to the AAFCO requirements but a food that is labeled complete and balanced HAS to meet their minimum requirements to do so. Dr. Foster & Smith’s website lists those requirements as of 2006.

    Waltham is a training manual and in the Essential Cat and Dog Nutrition Booklet they state “Cats and dogs can sythesise their own blood glucose from amino acids. Carbohydrate, therefore is not an essential macronutrient. However, if provided in their diet, cats and dogs can utilise carbohydrates and they are used in pet foods as sources of energy and dietary fibre. Carbohydrate levels tend to be higher in dry pet food than in wet pet food.” Can be found on page 28 http://www.waltham.com/dyn/_assets/_pdfs/waltham-booklets/Essentialcatanddognutritionbookletelectronicversion.pdf

    There plenty more reliable sources too. I DO believe that dogs (and even cats) can benefit from the antioxidants and other nutrients in carbs but they don’t “require” them.

    You are correct that certain proteins are better for dogs who already have kidney disease. These better proteins are animal based proteins because the amino acids in them are utilized on a cellular level better than plant based proteins (unless carefully combined) leaving less to become BUN. This is referred to as the proteins bioavailability. BUN doesn’t harm the kidneys but it does contribute to symptoms once the kidneys are unable to filter (which is after they are over 75%(ish) damaged).

    Raw proteins have the best bioavailability because lysine (one of the essential amino acids) is fairly easily damaged by heat changing the original protein bioavailability. Home cooked would be the next best then canned with kibble coming in dead last. Yet most vets sell Science Diet kibbled kidney food.

    One can use nitrogen trapping to help keep the blood lower in BUN while feeding higher amounts of protein too. Nitrogen trapping is simply using the right kind of beneficial bacteria and the right kind of fiber. Not many vets I’ve spoken to (at least when Audrey was diagnosed with kd 7 years ago) knows what nitrogen trapping even is let alone utilizes it.. :(

    In Kronfeld’s studies they took healthy dogs and removed part of their kidneys then fed them three diets with various amounts of protein. The dogs fed 54% protein had no more damage than those on the lower protein diets and those on the lowest protein diets had more all cause mortality.

    All that said, as the kidneys start to fail phosphorus can build up in the blood and this build up of phosphorus CAN damage the kidneys. Egg whites are very low in phosphorus while being high in protein. Tripe is also higher in protein with better phosphorus amounts. The problem with phosphorus however is that ALL foods have phosphorus. Some grains, like quinoa, can contribute more phosphorus than some animal based proteins as one example.

  • theBCnut

    Oats and vegetables are not easier for dogs to digest. They have to be “predigested” for dogs to get much of anything out of them, because dogs do not breakdown plant cell walls very efficiently. The process of “predigesting” food for a dog’s consumption in the form of kibble provides far more than 14% carbs.
    Diabetes is a carb disease. Providing excessive carbs is never healthy for a diabetic. And dogs have a much easier time using fat for energy than people do so comparing diabetes, proper diet, or even digestion between dogs and humans is really not the way to go. When they talk about athletes needing some carbs, they are talking about endurance athletes, like sled dogs. Not very many dogs actually fit in that category.
    BTW, hair and even bone act as fiber in a dogs digestive tract. There are also many veggies that are low carb, but high fiber. They also happen to be the veggies that provide a lot more antioxidants and micronutrients.

  • Chris

    I read through the website you cite and went to the AAFCO site. They do not list required ingredients, at least I didn’t find anything, but refer to the FDA site http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/resourcesforyou/ucm047120.htm

    When you go through the AAFCO site http://petfood.aafco.org/CalorieContent.aspx#nutritional
    where they refer to the FDA list of ingredients, you will find at the bottom the statement: “Claims for carbohydrate levels in
    pet foods are discouraged since at this time there is no uniform method
    for determining carbohydrates.”

    Nowhere on these sites is a statement that dogs do not need carbs or fiber.

    I guess the lists of required ingredients is based on the bad quality of earlier pet foods which contained tons of cheap ingredients and not enough proteins and other required nutrients. But that does not mean we should do the opposite now and make our dogs unhealthy by feeding them a protein and fat only diet.

    Regarding protein and kidney disease: I value your information. I did a bit more reading on this, and it seems that certain proteins or protein sources are good and others not so much. Maybe the vet who advised me was wrong but he is one of these vets who went through thousands of dogs in his life, and I somehow take the concerns of somebody who definitely saw more dogs on certain diets or dogs with KD than evaluated in any of the experiments or studies done by Purina or whoever.

    Unfortunately, my dog showed already signs of KD, so I am cautious. I still feed meat and fish and other proteins in sufficient amounts but cook their meals now myself, which turns out to be better than all the (medical) dog foods they got. His kidney values are okay now, his liver values are reasonable, and his blood glucose levels are good with less insulin.

  • Chris

    The webpage you cite says that no carbs are “required by a dog to sustain life”. This may or may not be true, so maybe the dog can survive without carbs but whether this is an ideal or good nutrition, is questionable. The web site also says that they estimate the dog’s ancestral diet contained 14% carbs. Low card, yes, no carb, no. Now, the question is, if you put your dog on a high protein diet, where does the protein come from? Hopefully not from soy, like in some dog foods, where you get a high protein content through addition of soy. If you would feed meat only, I am pretty sure your dogs digestive system will not be happy and the dog will likely get constipated – and then eats grass, to compensate. There is a need for fiber and a good source are carb foods, like vegetables. The website you cite also mentions that carbs provide a good source of energy and that is a valid point. That is why athletes do not eat steak only. Their diet contains also carb foods, like pasta or oats. Oats and vegetables are easier to digest than meat and provide a constant, prolonged delivery of energy. Another critical point is the need for vitamins and minerals. Meat does not provide all nutrients in this regard. So take a high protein, meat-based diet and add fiber and give a vitamin and mineral supplement, or add some carbs that provide lots of additional nutrients and fiber, too. I prefer the last.

  • Shawna

    Dogs actually do not require carbs. A vet may tell you they do but the training manuals like Waltham state the truth. AAFCO is another reliable source. There is a minimum for protein, a minimum for fat for vitamins, minerals etc but absolutely no minimum requirement for carbs. A carb free canned food can be complete and balanced. http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1659&aid=662

    Purina research, believe it or not, even discusses a dogs lack of need for carbs. “Dietary carbohydrates are not required by normal, healthy cats and dogs with two possible exceptions. Reproducing bitches may need some carbohydrate in order to produce and nurse healthy puppies, although even this is in question.1-3 Hardworking dogs, such as hunting dogs and sled dogs, may benefit from carbohydrates after exercise to help restore muscle glycogen.” http://www.purinavets.eu/PDFs/ResearchReport_vol8-issue2.pdf

    USA’s pet peeve is myth’s around diabetes. My pet peeve is myth’s around protein, in any amount, causing kidney disease. Any vet who tells you this shouldn’t be valued for their knowledge on nutrition for sure. The myth protein causes kd has been proven false for over 20 years. In fact, the studies that showed a correlation was done on rats not dogs. When they tested dogs they found protein had no influence on getting kd. Not only that but once the dog has kidney disease protein does not cause further damage. My dog has had kidney disease since birth and will be eight years old the end of June. She’s been eating a HIGH protein (45 to 54%) diet since nine weeks of age. The only time she gets ill is if I feed her KIBBLE.

    Dr. Kronfeld and Dr. Bovee are two vets that researched kd in DOGS. Here’s an excert from Bovee. The paper is titled “Mythology of Protein Restriction for Dogs with Reduced Renal Function

    Results of the 10 experimental studies on dogs have failed to provide evidence of the benefit of reduced dietary protein to influence the course of renal failure.

    In conclusion, the continued existence of this false myth about dietary protein is an uncomfortable reminder of the lack of sophistication, lack of critical thought, and reliance on oversimplified and attractive dogma that persists in our profession. This is only one example of many false myths,misinformation, and partial truths that are repeated from decade to decade. Until a more critical approach with standards and oversight are brought to bear in our profession, we will likely continue to be ensnared in false myths despite the presence of sound science.http://dogaware.com/files/bovee.pdf

    Unfortunately, those vets you rely on for nutrition information MAY be spreading more myth than fact. One of those myths as demonstrated by AFFCO and Purina Research is that dogs do not require carbs. I do think they can definitely benefit from certain carbs but they don’t “require” or “need” them.

  • LabsRawesome
  • Chris

    I’m sorry USA Dog Treats but I am skeptical, too, about your opinions and would not go for Dr. Bernstein’s sales pitch. It’s very simple: you cannot feed your dog a 90% protein diet and no carbs. Dogs (as well as people) need fibre and carbs. Every dietician and vet will tell you this. Your dog’s poop will tell you this. And in the end, your kidney function will tell you that high high high protein is not good for you and your dog. Dr. Bernstein makes money with his “perfect solution” to diabetes. Like lots of other people, too, who try to sell you “the perfect solution” for whatever ailment you have – cancer, weight loss, hair loss, aging etc.
    I also considered putting my diabetic dog on a high protein, meat diet but every vet I talked to, warned that I will end up with a dog with kidney problems.
    When I look at your continuing discussion with Aimee, I do not understand anymore where you are coming from, since this is going beyond reason, ignores tons of research, focuses on one guy who tries to make money with his approach (I wouldn’t even call it a theory, more a religion), and is even becoming offensive to other members of this forum.

    Anyway, I am adding this post mostly because I would like to make other owners of diabetic dogs aware of the problems of high-protein diets, since this is coming up again and again, and ask them to be careful and reasonable. Your dog does need carbs and does not need kidney failure.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Julie

    The canned food list was put together by LabsRawesome.

    I would do a needle aspiration of the lump to try and determine EXACTLY what it is!

    Here are a couple of links for home monitoring your dog’s blood sugar:

    http://www.k9diabetes.com/monitoring.html

    http://www.k9diabetes.com/bgtestvideos.html

    This meter is very reliable:
    FreeStyle Freedom Lite by Abbott

    Home testing will give you much more control over your dog’s diabetes.

    Once you get a meter you should go to the vet with it and have them test your dog with YOUR meter. At the same time they should also take a sample from a vein and send it to the lab. This will let you know the relationship between YOUR meter and a lab reading. Usually home meters read lower than lab values but the relationship will stay the same. So if the lab says 125 and your home meter says 100 then you will know your home meter is approximately 25 points below a lab reading. The lab reading is the more accurate reading.

  • dchassett

    One of my dogs was on Rimadyl at one point a while back. One of Rimadyl’s side effects is that it makes them very thirsty so they drink a lot of water and you have to take them out to urinate a lot more. Also you have to constantly monitor for signs that your dog needs to go out. DO NOT limited her water. Anyway, there are a host of other issues with Rimadyl or probably any rx pain med but Rimadyl’s side effect of excessive thirst is pretty well known. My dog had been put on it for arthritis and degenerated discs but since I saw no difference in her whatsoever I stopped giving it to her and the excessive thirst and urinating stopped.

    Is your dog on Rimadyl for actual pain or as a preventative, or are they or you just assuming she’s in pain?

  • Chris

    Hi Julie, I understand that you are struggling and scared. One of my dogs is diabetic since 2 years and I had difficult times, too. Some suggestions for you: I would really measure her blood glucose levels at home. Get a meter like the Alphtrack2. I would not recommend a human meter – years ago they worked fine for pets but now they are adjusted to plasma measuring and the difference then between human and dog/cat measurements is considerable. Using the meter is not that difficult, much easier than it sounds, with some experience. I always use the ear and poke (handheld lancet) on the rim of the ear, at the tip. See that the ear is nicely warmed up so that there is good blood flow, e.g. rub the ear flap in your hands for a minute or so. My dog always enjoys that and usually he does not complain about the little poke – maybe a little twitch but that’s all. If you can measure the glucose level yourself, this gives you much more confidence and security that nothing is wrong, and it is less hassle than running to the vet every time you think something might be wrong with her blood sugar, and you can also better monitor her response to changes in food. Urine test strips can be used too, but they only give you a sign if the sugar is too high for a period of time and that does not help in your situation.
    Regarding her stomach issues: if she is on pain medication or antibiotics which can upset her stomach, I would ask the vet whether it makes sense to give her Sulcrate (Sucralfate) – this is a medication also used for humans to protect the stomach and it also helps heal gastritis or ulcers. I used it for my dog who – I believe – had undiagnosed gastritis since years and didn’t want to eat anymore or got sick after meals. It helped him a lot and I don’t understand why the vets didn’t prescribe this earlier. Anyway, maybe it works with your little yorkie, too.
    I switched in the meantime to home cooked food but I’m still experimenting a little with it and I add multivitamins to be sure they get the necessary nutritional supplements. Chicken breast with brown rice and some vegetables or an apple, all shredded in a chopper, works fine. You can also use oatmeal instead of brown rice but it gives a bit more sugar. Vegetables (raw carrot or cooked peas, broccoli etc.) are good since they release the sugar over a long period of time so you don’t get a sudden peak in BG. You can add some yoghurt for digestion and to make it creamy. Both my dogs really like it and it’s cheaper (and in my opinion better) than the diet dog food from the vet – which my diabetic dog also rejected, like yours, and he needs less insulin now than when he was on the diabetic dog food diet or the GI diet from the vet. There are some pet cookbooks out there, if you need suggestions or guidance on cooking for your dog, like Dr. Pitcairn’s book.
    I hope you are both doing better soon.

    Christel

  • theBCnut

    Testing urine is like settling for high blood sugar as long as it isn’t outrageously high, however, damage is still being done.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Some of the foster ladies with diabetic dogs test the sugar from the urine. I knew one lady who poked the inside of the ear flap.

  • Julie

    Thank you for the info on the food! We were never informed by the vet that we need to check her at home. They just told us to base it on how much she eats and whether she was peeing and drinking excessively. She has been fine for about 2 years. This is the first time we have had an issue so now it scares me a LOT. I read that you have to poke the inside of their lip to check them at home and my Yorkie doesn’t like to be messed with at all by her mouth. She takes her shots really good but they don’t really hurt her. Where do you poke them to get the blood sample? What would the best unit be to purchase that would hurt her?
    She got sick this morning again. I think maybe the Clavamox is making her tummy sick. She has only been back on it for a couple days. Last night she was in good spirits and more alert than I’ve seen her in a long time. The lump seemed smaller on her neck too since she is back on the antibiotic and Rimadyl. Only thing is, now that the insulin has been lowered to 1/2 unit, she is getting up 2 and 3 times a night to go out and had accidents during the day yesterday in the house. We are taking her in the morning for another test. My husband wants to increase her insulin and I won’t let him do that until she has been tested again.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Julie

    Thanks for all that info!

    A low carb high protein canned diet is more appropriate for ALL dogs than a starchy kibble. It is especially beneficial for Diabetic dogs.

    The following canned foods are low carb AND nutritionally complete:

    By Natures 95% meats 10% carbs
    Hound and Gatos 10% carbs
    Blue Buffalo Wilderness 6% carb

    ——————————————–

    Natures Logic (6% carbs) does not say whether it is nutritionally complete but they don’t say for intermittent or supplemental feeding only

    Wellness 95% meat cans are only 1% carbs. They are not nutritionally complete so you should only feed them occasionally unless you buy a vitamin and mineral supplement to add to the food.

    Rotate varieties (chicken, fish, duck etc) every month or so. This varies their nutrients and they won’t get bored of the same food all the time.

    You MUST monitor your dog’s blood sugar when making ANY changes to their diet!!! Lowering carbs will lower insulin requirements!!!

    Home testing will enable you to really get a handle on what is going on with your dog’s diabetes and help you to control it much better!

  • Julie

    UPDATE: Just talked to her vet. She is going to change her antibiotic and change the Rimadyl from chewable to tablet because she thinks the chewable might be effecting her sugar level. Does anyone know if the Rimadyl tablets are hard to give? She wouldn’t touch the Tramadol no matter what I put it in. I also mentioned the food she gave us being high in carbs and she says we can try the Hill’s w/d low fat, low glycemic. I’ve read that anything Hill’s or Science Diet are not good for you dog. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated.

  • Julie

    Hi,
    She is on Novalin and was getting 2-1/2 – 3 units twice a day 20 minutes after meals.
    Her surgery was about a month ago. She just crashed last Friday but had been acting groggy and disoriented all week. She has never had a problem in the two years we have been giving insulin so we weren’t sure what was happening. She wasn’t on anything but the insulin before surgery, after surgery she was on an antibiotic Clavamox twice a day and Rimadyl once a day. She has a lump on the side of her neck that we initially took her in for and they thought it was from bad teeth. They extracted her teeth and also removed a growth from her back side. The lump was going down with the meds but when she crashed they took her off the meds. Now the lump is huge again and is causing her pain when eating and I can tell its pushing on her wind pipe because she is snorting when she sleeps. I am so upset. I just can’t picture myself putting her down. The vet told me to give her Hill’s prescription I/d can food and she ate it once and now wont touch it. I looked it up and it isn’t even good for diabetic dogs. It has way too many carbs! We put her back on the Eukanuba that she has always had and put a little lean boiled ground beef on it and she is eating again. I shouldn’t have to be the one to diagnose my dog when I’m paying good money to a vet to figure it out. Its like they are just guessing and in the meantime the very thing I took her in for is getting worse and now her sugar isn’t stable.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Julie

    I am so sorry to hear about your little girl!

    First the Hypoglycemia.

    How long after the surgery was the first time she crashed?

    What type of insulin is she on? vetsulin u40, novolin u100 etc.

    When do you give her insulin? How long before or after a meal, How many times a day do you feed her?

    Did her diet change immediately before the first time she crashed?

    What medications is she on now ? What medications was she on before her surgery?

    Do you test her blood sugar at home?

    She had teeth pulled so I wonder if that affected the amount of food she is actually eating. Any surgery could lower her appetite for a while. If she is eating less that could be a reason for low blood sugar.

    Any changes to her diet after the surgery could drastically change her insulin requirements so the first thing I would look at is her diet and the amount she is eating. I might go back to her pre surgery diet and start from there before I made any changes.

    You should probably be testing her blood sugar at home if you are not already doing so.

    Check BG before her first meal, then 2 hours after her meals, then at bedtime. Once you get her stabilized I would think about changing her diet but not before then!

    I will be hoping for the best for you and your little one!!!

  • Julie

    My yorkie is 14 and is diabetic. She had surgery a couple weeks ago and has been crashing with low blood sugar since. She even had a seizure. I am so afraid of the insulin now but after she crashed with a level of under 30, we didn’t give anything the rest of the day and the next morning, had her rechecked and it was at 500! They put her back to 1-1/2 units and we had her back on Monday with her number at 50. The Vet recommended Hill’s I/d can food because its low fat. I bought it and after one feeding she sticks her nose up at it now. I also read that the carb levels are 58%!!?? I am so confused as to what to feed her because she is so finicky and she HAS to eat so she doesn’t crash. Why would a vet recommend a food for a diabetic that is 58% carbs??? Please let me know what food would be best for my little yorkie. She is only 8 1/2 lbs and she couldn’t tolerate the Blue Mountain food. She got sick on it, I guess it was too rich for her. We put her on it when she was first diagnosed a couple years ago. We haven’t had an issue with crashing until she had the surgery. They pulled some back teeth and removed a growth from her back side. I have read soooo many different opinions that I am at a loss. Right now we are giving her boiled chicken just so she will eat.

  • Janette Swindler

    Go to WalMart. 15.99 per vial over the counter. Same stuff their brand. Folks at Kmart sent me there. Go 100 syringes and vial for $35. That I can handle.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi DaZoo

    You are very welcome!

    I am very happy to hear that Beanie is doing so well. Give Beanie & the other two pups a hug from me.

  • theBCnut

    The nice thing about that book is that you can start using the recipes before you finish reading. You just get such a wonderful understanding of the whys and wherefores by reading the book.

  • DaZoo

    Hi USA Dog Treats –

    After reading the fact sheet you provided, I ordered the ancestral diet book and just received it. It looks as though I have some studying to do, but as long as there’s no geometry in there I’m sure I’ll be fine.

    In the meantime, we switched Beanie from kibble to one of the recommended canned foods – Blue Buffalo Wilderness series – and it has made quite a difference in him. Just in the last couple of weeks of feeding him the Blue Buffalo, Beanie has entered into his second puppyhood. He snatches socks and runs around the room with them and has actually climbed up and jumped over the fence to get out of the back yard several times. Our former Chunky Monkey Couch Potato hasn’t done any of these things since he was a puppy – and he’ll be 12 years old next week!

    Thank you so much for all your help and information. I very much appreciate the time and the effort you put into your input on this site to show people the way to better care for their pups. I hope to be giving our three the best care possible after I’ve read my copy of the ancestral diet book.

  • lori

    I am now looking for a more suitable food for her, knowing a lil more about what to look for.

  • lori

    Have had same issue, we switched our chiuhucha to 1/4 c Eukabanuba & 1/2 tray of ceasers wet chicken n turkey only ea 2 x a day followed by 5 units of Novolin N. She is 9 lbs. 13 yes old spoiled rotten!! But on you insulin are u paying the $ 90.00 a bottle r $ 25. which I think that the reli on 25.00 bottle isn’t as affected. That’s me but it’s hard to find 90.00 bottles. Exercise plays a very big effect. Stress.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Michelle

    Sorry to hear about your boy becoming diabetic!

    The first thing I would do is know what his blood sugars are at different times during the day. Test first thing in morning (fasting) before meals (pre-prandial) and 2 hours after meals (post-prandial). This will give you an idea of how he doing on his current regimen.

    Once you get into the habit of home testing his blood sugar you can decide to make a change in his food and or insulin regimen.

    Are you currently testing his blood sugars? How often and when? What are the results?

    What type of insulin (N, NPH, Lantus, etc) is he on.

    What time do you give it and how much do you give?

    Testing his blood sugar is the tool that will allow you to evaluate how your boy is doing no matter what food or insulin he is on. Without this knowledge it is near to impossible to evaluate how his diabetes is being controlled. Remember diabetes is manageable and you are one who will be managing your boy’s diabetes.

    BC nut is right. I subscribe to the Diabetic Dog Food thread on DFA so I get those posts in my email.

  • Michelle Fichter

    This is a repost in the appropriate section.

    Michelle Fichter • 21 hours ago
    I am such a newbie when it comes to this raw/freeze dried food so please excuse my dumb questions.

    We have been feeding our miniature poodle kibble since he was a baby *hangs head in shame* and haven’t had any issues since. About 6 months ago our 8.5 year old got diagnosed with diabetes. So he was put on Hills Metabolic kibble to reduce his waist size (which has worked perfectly). He is a one dose of insulin a day dog and now more than ever we want to give him the best possible chance at a long and healthy life.

    We know that he will never be cured of his diabetes but if we can make things easier on his organs while digesting his food, give him more nutrients, energy ,and if there is a side benefit of soft/shiny coat and nice teeth then that’s what we want to do.

    What is everyone’s opinion on Stella and Chewy’s freeze dried Dandy Lamb? Should we be using the chicken instead?

    Any info I can get to discuss with my vet I’d appreciate. I want to be fully informed when I chat with him.

    Thanks

  • rocket n rodney

    That book changed my life. I followed the ADA diet for 12 years and it almost killed me. A dude in my support group turned me on to Dr Bernstein and I owe him my life!

    Keep on preaching the truth bro.

  • USA Dog Treats

    The recipes you saw were low fat and it looks like Mr Brown increased the carbs a little to lower the fat,

    I will show you the regular fat beef recipe. It is very detailed and very low carb,

    Remember, you can cook any recipe that does not contain bone!

    The book gives you a complete nutritional analysis for most of the recipes. It also gives you more info on balancing the fats than in any other canine nutrition book I have ever read.

  • dchassett

    Oh Sandy. I’m so sad and sorry for you I know you would have taken such great care of the pug. Poor babies. So very depressing.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi DaZoo

    The recipes without bone can be cooked. I would cook it lightly. I would use human grade bone meal instead of bone in any recipe I wanted to cook

    The canine ancestral diet gets about 6% of its calories from carbs. Most if not all of the recipes in the book are ultra-low carb. You could always tweak a recipe to remove some of the carbs in it. But remember like BC nut said the Ancestral diet is a very low carb diet. Wolves eat Deer, Moose, and any other mammal in their area. They will only eat a significant amount of plant material if mammals are not available. Steve Brown duplicates this type of diet in the book.

    You will learn a lot about nutrition for dogs in this book and it will help you with ALL of your dogs.

    Here’s a link to the ancestral diet fact sheet by Steve Brown

    http://www.seespotlivelonger.com/home/sll/page_50/description_of_the_canine_ancestral_diet.html

  • theBCnut

    “Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet” tries to imitate what dogs would have eaten in the wild, which would be raw meat and not much at all in the way of carbs. As an example, one of their recipes calls for beef, beef heart, spinach, broccoli, sardines, bonemeal, hempseed oil, and salt.

    It’s available as an Ebook, BTW.

  • DaZoo

    Thank you for answering me – and three days ago!
    I’m going to have to read up some more on feeding my dogs raw meat so I’ll just keep following everybody’s comments, reading the suggested books, and learning as much as I can.

    You’re very kind to take your time to answer questions on this site.

  • DaZoo

    Hi USA Dog Treats –

    There’s your answer! They put it way out of order and I can’t find my question anywhere, but thank you very much.

    I took another look at a DFA review and the information on the complete/incomplete nutrition was right there on the top. Also your suggestion that I aim for Beanie’s target weight when determining how much to feed him certainly makes sense. I’m just sorry I didn’t think of that! Thanks.
    I looked up Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet on Amazon, but the description didn’t mention anything about feeding diabetic dogs and most of the comments gave me the impression that the book contained mostly raw-meat recipes. Is that the case? I guess I could live with preparing raw meat for my pups, but before I order this book, would you please tell me whether the author includes the carb counts for his recipes? I learned so much on this forum that I’m truly hung up on carb counts now and the white rice, whole wheat macaroni and sweet potatoes in the sample recipes you so nicely provided really jumped out at me.
    Again, thank you so much for your help.

  • theBCnut

    Oh how sad!!! I’m so sorry to hear this.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Rest in peace little guys

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi DaZoo

    I replied to you two days ago but my reply is no longer under your comment. Here is a link to my reply!

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/diabetic-dog-food/#comment-1271660322

  • InkedMarie

    Oh no. Rest easy, little pugs :(

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Well I won’t be getting a diabetic pug. There were two of them at the vet and both have died.

  • DaZoo

    Good information, Losul. Thank you very much.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hey, guys. Please keep this discussion cordial and respectful. Thanks.

  • http://www.petfinder.com/ zj

    aimee why are you dragging this thing out? It’s plain to see you lied when you said

    “I read the link you provided and found it lacking any data.”

    You must’ve thought it was a link to a study or something. Nobody says

    “I read the link you provided and found it lacking any data.”

    about a link to a book on amazon.

    I can’t believe you continue to lie.

  • aimee

    Hi jz,

    No need to be embarrassed for me as I have nothing to be embarrassed about !

  • losul

    Hi Dazoo,

    You mentioned;

    “We have three dogs, and if I could find just one or two recipes suitable for all of them, I would actually cook their food myself.I tried making homemade dog food years ago, but learned that dogs require a lot more nutrients in their food than are included in most homemade recipes. I also learned that there does not seem to be any little packets of the missing nutrients to be found for people to just add to their pots of simmering homemade dog food.”

    You could try “U Stew”, it’s especially made to compensate for nutrients lost in cooking, you can control the leaness of the meats, and whether or not you want to supply small amounts of veggies.

    https://www.knowbetterpetfood.com/U-Stew

    If you ever decide to go raw, the same company makes “Better in the Raw” and with or without liver, depending on whether or not you want to supply the liver. “U Stew” has liver in it.

  • http://www.petfinder.com/ zj

    Come on aimee. I’m embarrassed for you. I was a fan of yours. I read all your posts and enjoyed the data. Now I can’t trust you.

    Before you read the link you never said nothing about the content of the link

    “Ok I read the link.. didn’t seem to be too much there, but thanks.”

    “I have no opinion of the book, nor did I express an opinion about the book. I read the link you provided and found it lacking any data.”

    I been a fan of yours for six months and you ALWAYS mention something that shows you really read the link.

    TODAYs the first time you said something about what was in the link

    “it was a link to excerpts from the book!

    Before today it was only “the link” Today its a link “to excerpts”

  • aimee

    Oh My! You said you read the links I provided and I, in kind, said I’d read the book if you provided the link.

    I clicked the link you provided and saw that in addition to being “a link to a book you had to pay for.” it was a link to excerpts from the book!

    I thought you intended for me to read the excerpts, which I did! They lacked data. It didn’t occur to me that you expected me to buy a book!

    No need to resort to name calling simply because we didn’t understand each others intentions/actions. Shesh!

  • Heidi

    Currently, we do not test him at home. He goes to the vet for this, once a week. The vet has dropped his units from 14 to 10. His daily life is very happy. He has more energy, very playful, and just all around happy dog. He goes back to the vet next week, but will stay over night for a full day of readings. Thank you for all your posts! ;-)

  • steve

    My vet says novolin n is an intermediate acting insulin and so does the company who manufactues it. Everything I ever read on novolin n said it was an intermediate acting insulin. I guess anything is possible

  • steve

    Did you read her post?

    Example of his readings:
    7am feeding, 7am insulin
    First blood drawn at 8am, 164
    2nd blood drawn at 11am, 363

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi aimee

    You said:

    “I have to say it never occurred to me that you’d direct me to something I’d have to pay for in order to read.”

    That’s too bad. Had you actually clicked on the link like you said you did you would have known that it was a link to a book you had to pay for.

    But instead you lied and said:

    “I read the link you provided and found it lacking any data.”

    I thought your comment that the link lacked any data was a little strange. Now I know why, you lied!

    So I’m done debating with you since however knowledgeable you might be, you were not honest in your comments to me!

  • LolaPops

    Although they may be low in carbs, true sugar content is never available. I realize sugar=carbs….but…That stuff may be too rich for diabetic pooches….And of course Vets are usually on Hill’s payroll…so :(

  • LolaPops

    I disagree…Both me and my dog are on Novolin N. It’s fast acting. We see our numbers shrink within 45 minutes and it plateaus around 4 hours. I keep a very tight blood sugar journal for us both…

  • LolaPops

    It was probably Hills WD which is what my vet recommended for my diabetic dog

  • LolaPops

    Do you check his blood sugar? It’s imperative you do, especially if he is left alone for any portion of the day. too much insulin is very bad.

  • aimee

    Hi USA,

    I have to say it never occurred to me that you’d direct me to something I’d have to pay for in order to read.

    I presume the data in the book will have all been published so will you provide the links to the pertinent information through pub med?

    Did you notice the Amazon recommendation of “The End of Diabetes..” by Furhman? It is a completely different eating plan than an ultra low carb diet.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi aimee, you said:

    “I will read the book as soon as you provide the link.”

    I provided you the link so that you could buy the book and read it.

    Then you said:

    “I read the link you provided and found it lacking any data.”

    The data is in the book, not in the link to buy the book!

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Sandy

    A dog with pancreatitis could benefit from a full spectrum pancreatic enzyme.

    In some cases of pancreatitis the ability to produce pancreatic enzymes is diminished. If this is the case then supplementing all of the pancreatic enzymes would benefit your dog.

    Powdered enzymes are recommended for dogs with diminished enzyme production because they could lack the enzymes needed to digest tablets, capsules and enzymes with an enteric coating.

    I would probably use both powdered and enteric coated enzymes. The powdered might enable the coated enzymes to be used in the small intestine where they are also needed!

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi DaZoo

    (1) Where did you find the information that the dog foods listed above were or were not nutritionally complete?

    On their websites or here at DFA if the food is reviewed here Dr Mike will list that info in the review.

    (2) Would you recommend that I simply start him on one of these low-carb, but high-fat, foods at half portions or start him on full portions and slowly decrease his portions if he starts to gain too much weight?

    I would feed him the amount recommended for the weight you want him to be.

    (3) Final question, I promise: You said in an earlier posting that “A homemade raw or cooked diet could be formulated to a medium fat level while still being low carb and high protein.” Could you please point me in the right direction to find a low-carb, medium-fat, nutritionally complete recipe(s) for diabetic dogs posted by an authority in this field?

    Below (images) are four recipes from Steve Brown’s book “Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet”

    The book will show you how to create nutritionally complete homemade meals for your dogs.

    There are premixes that you can add to any homemade recipe to make it more nutritionally complete.

    I use See Spot Live Longer™ Homemade Dinner Mixes and Wysong’s Call of the wild. I use call of the wild in poultry recipes because it contains poultry and Steve Brown’s dinner mixes with red meat or pork recipes.

    Good Luck!!!

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    I use CarnivoreRaw from Young Again Pet Food. I only use meat/organs/bones and oil plus the powder. You can make it without bones and cook your meat if you like I suppose. It’s at youngagainpetfood.com under Raw Food. I’m also in the process of searching for a high lipase digestive supplement (there is also just lipase from Integrative Therapeutics) for a future diabetic dog coming into my care.

  • DaZoo

    I was up until 2 this morning reading these comments and especially all your great input. It’s the best information on food for diabetic dogs I’ve come across since our dog was diagnosed with diabetes a few months ago. Like most people, we started on the prescription food and Beanie, I’m sure like most dogs who are clearly starving, chose death over eating it. I haven’t been happy with any one dog food in this time and was really impressed with the actual facts presented in this forum.

    A few questions, if you’d be kind enough to answer, please: (1) Where did you find the information that the dog foods listed above were or were not nutritionally complete? (2) The five low-carb foods listed are all rated 5 stars because of their high-meat content, which, in turn, means they all have high- to very high-fat content. Beanie lost a lot of weight before his diagnosis and is much thinner, but I know healthier, than the Chunky Monkey he once was. He could use a few more pounds on him, but he hasn’t put on any weight and is still frantic about food, which would seem to indicate that he’s still not getting the necessary nutrition in his food yet. Would you recommend that I simply start him on one of these low-carb, but high-fat, foods at half portions or start him on full portions and slowly decrease his portions if he starts to gain too much weight? (3) Final question, I promise: You said in an earlier posting that “A homemade raw or cooked diet could be formulated to a medium fat level while still being low carb and high protein.” Could you please point me in the right direction to find a low-carb, medium-fat, nutritionally complete recipe(s) for diabetic dogs posted by an authority in this field? We have three dogs, and if I could find just one or two recipes suitable for all of them, I would actually cook their food myself. I tried making homemade dog food years ago, but learned that dogs require a lot more nutrients in their food than are included in most homemade recipes. I also learned that there does not seem to be any little packets of the missing nutrients to be found for people to just add to their pots of simmering homemade dog food.

    Thank you so much for all the time and information you are providing on this forum to us frantic parents of diabetic dogs. It is greatly appreciated.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    No. Possibly next week.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Sandy

    Did you pick up the new addition yet?

  • LabsRawesome

    February 20,2014 recall insulin syringes. http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm386613.htm

  • aimee

    I have no opinion of the book, nor did I express an opinion about the book.
    I read the link you provided and found it lacking any data.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Too bad you have already formed a negative opinion for a book you haven’t read yet! So much for having an open mind!

    Here are the reviews for this book on Amazon

    http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Bernsteins-Diabetes-Solution-Achieving-ebook/product-reviews/B004QZ9PC4/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

    276 Reviews
    Average 4.7 out of 5 stars
    5 star: (238)
    4 star: (19)
    3 star: (4)
    2 star: (6)
    1 star: (9)

  • Pattyvaughn

    Dogs make more lypase than they do amylase, if the dogs do not have pancreatitis issues then you cannot assume that they will because of diabetes, although in some instances the reverse is true. And not all raw is high fat, just as not all canned is high fat. So while fat may not be an issue with diabetics and carbs definitely are an issue with diabetics, it is best to go with restricting carbs, unless fat is known to be a problem. And you can always add lypase to the diet, but adding amylase does not help with diabetes.

  • USA Dog Treats

    The great majority of dogs have type 1 diabetes and they will always require insulin no matter what food they are fed.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Mark

    Commercial raw and canned foods are usually high in fat. A homemade raw or cooked diet could be formulated to almost any fat level you desired while still being low carb and high protein.

    The pancreas has two main functions. 1 is the creation and delivery of digestive enzymes and the other is the creation and delivery of insulin, glucagon, and somatostatin.

    If a dog has diabetes without pancreatitis or hyperlipidemia the enzyme part of the pancreas might not be affected and fat wold not have to be severely restricted unless or until that part of the pancreas was affected.

  • mark

    Raw tends to have too much fat for an animal who is suffering from diabetes. Can food similarly has way to much fat. Additionally, when you take into consideration that the pancreas is already in some way compromised to further tax this vital organ, the only one to produce the fat digesting enzymes in the lipase family, is not advisable.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Sandy

    It is a wonderful thing you are doing by fostering a dog with medical issues. It warms my heart when people take in dogs that would probably be euthanized as soon as they entered a kill shelter.

    Blood samples are usually used to test for pancreatitis.

    Ask how the pancreatitis was diagnosed and if the cause was determined. Get a copy of the dogs medical history.

    Find out what medications and diet the dog is currently on. What levels of insulin, feeding schedule, current symptoms.

    Once you have more info on your dogs history and current situation you can start looking into options for future diet, insulin, weight management and so on.

    It is just that diabetes AND pancreatitis together can require a much different treatment plan than one without the other and the individual history and symptoms would determine future options.

    Please post as soon as you know more and thank you again for taking this dog in!!!

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Any food/supplement/enzyme suggestion for a diabetic dog just recovering from a bout of pancreatitis? Thanks!

  • nancy davis

    Hey USA

    I can see your passionate about canine diabetes. Please don’t let aimee get you down. She believes that Purina is one of the most nutritious dog foods made.

  • aimee

    Ok I read the link.. didn’t seem to be too much there, but thanks.

  • Pattyvaughn

    If you said the single best kibble, I might agree with you, but there are canned foods that are better for diabetes and also raw.

  • dchassett

    Sharon, It’ not a matter of whether I like your food or not. According to Mikes analysis the dry matter carbs in FRR is 55%. I don’t know how that would be a good food for a dog with diabetes. I don’t nor have i ever, thank God, had a dog with diabetes but my mother did and she was told by her traditional vet and holistic vet that her dog needed to be on a low carb diet 10% if possible. That’s what I was running off of. She did that and her dog lived quite comfortably to the age of 16. She lived over half her life with diabetes on a low carb diet. I’m done on this thread.

  • mark

    The single best pet food for diabetic Dogs AND Cats is the Wysong Epigen™ diets. They are only ~10% carbs versus Well OVER 35% carbs found in virtually all other pet foods. Many animals (Dogs & Cats) can completely go off insulin when fed this food. There is no lower carb % in any other kibble food for dogs and cats. It is Starch-Free not just grain free!

    See Dog Food Advisor on how to calculate % carbs in pet food.

    Deborah S. Greco, Dietary Treatment of Diabetes Mellitus in Dogs and Cats: Part of the 2009 Nestlé Purina Veterinary Symposium Publication Jun 1, 2009.

    Geraldine Blanchard, Patrick Nguyen, Constance Gayet, Isabelle Leriche, Brigitte Siliart, and Bernard-Marie Paragon, Rapid Weight Loss with a High-Protein Low-Energy Diet Allows the Recovery of Ideal Body Composition and Insulin Sensitivity in Obese Dogs, J. Nutr. 134: 2148S–2150S, 2004.

    Dorothy P. Laflamme, DVM, PhD, Steven S. Hannah, PhDIntern, J Appl Res Vet Med • Vol. 3, No. 2, 2005, pgs 62-68.

  • Guest

    The single bets food food for diabetic Dogs AND Cats is the Wysong Epigen™ diets. They are only ~10% carbs versus Well OVER 35% carbs found in virtually all other pet foods. Many animals (Dogs & Cats) can completely go off insulin when fed this food. There is no lower carb % in any other kibble food for dogs and cats.

    See Dog Food Advisor on how to calculate % carbs in pet food.

    Deborah S. Greco, Dietary Treatment of Diabetes Mellitus in Dogs and Cats: Part of the 2009 Nestlé Purina Veterinary Symposium Publication Jun 1, 2009.

    Geraldine Blanchard, Patrick Nguyen, Constance Gayet, Isabelle Leriche, Brigitte Siliart, and Bernard-Marie Paragon, Rapid Weight Loss with a High-Protein Low-Energy Diet Allows the Recovery of Ideal Body Composition and Insulin Sensitivity in Obese Dogs, J. Nutr. 134: 2148S–2150S, 2004.

    Dorothy P. Laflamme, DVM, PhD, Steven S. Hannah, PhDIntern, J Appl Res Vet Med • Vol. 3, No. 2, 2005, pgs 62-68.

  • Sharon

    No I do not sell any other dog products. I do not tell people the food will help their dogs or cats. But I have seen it again and again. When a dogs sugar is 600 and only comes down to between 300 and 400 and after changing to FRR and is now holding around 185 and the blood work is showing much better. i am sorry but I think it is working. Similar results with the other two but once they got some better they have changed to other foods now. Sorry you don’t like FRR but I sell it and I truly believe in it. Sorry if I have offended you.

  • dchassett

    Sharon, if you are indeed a distributor of dog foods, you must distribute more than just FRR as all distributors do. It is very unkind of you to lead people astray that are desperately trying to help their animals by promoting a food that is not only not good for them but can do damage to a diabetic dog. Please read the ingredients in the food lines that you distribute before posting. You say that three customers with diabetic dogs are eating FRR, that is not to say that it is good for them. They may simply like the taste. I do not have a diabetic dog but this just annoys me to no end. It is no better than vets attempting to push whatever they sell.

  • USA Dog Treats
  • Pattyvaughn

    Do you not understand that starch and carbs ARE SUGAR? The body does not care about the source of sugar. Straight up sugar is no worse for a diabetic than something that quickly turns into straight up sugar as soon as digestion begins.

  • aimee

    I have not made any recommendations to the original poster. I recognize that it is beyond my abilities to make a medical recommendation.

    I provided information written by a veterinary endocrinologist who is well recognized expert in the field of diabetes treatment and research, and an article written by 2 board certified veterinary nutritionists.

    I assume since the articles are on the site of the veterinary internal medicine specialists, those articles reflect the prevailing opinion of that branch of medicine, the branch that diabetes treatment falls under.

    I respect that you found a diet and treatment plan that works for you. My brother is also diabetic for over 25 years. He eats a well rounded diet that includes carbohydrates.

    His Dr nominated him to and he sits on a medical board of endocrinologists.

    I think it is necessary to treat each dog as an individual and that success can be achieved by different avenues.

    I will read the book as soon as you provide the link.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Brandy, I agree. Prescription dog food usually has really bad ingredients. I’m glad you found a good food that your dog likes and does well on. :)

  • Brandy

    Hi LabsRawesome,
    I honestly could not tell you the name, it was prescription Dog Food from one of the Vet’s we took him to – it was very generic looking cans and pretty expensive. Only available at the vet’s office is what we were told. ( We had taken him to several vets before we found one willing to take the time to go over everything with us – 3 hours away)
    I’m sure it is great for some dogs, and I don’t want to insult anyone / brand type. I just wanted to offer the suggestion that the nutritional value was most definitely the key to getting my dog’s insulin levels correct, that was what he needed. Both of are dogs can eat it since it isn’t “specialty” food and they really do like it. The green bean’s as a treat instead is also what my other dog gets and they are really happy with it.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Brandy, I use Kirkland Cuts in Gravy as well. My 3 love it. I am curious, what food were you feeding that didn’t have enough nutrients in it?

  • Heidi

    Oh THANK YOU Brandy for your information. Unfortunately we don’t have a Costco nearby. We only have Sam’s club. I’ll have to check there to see if they have something.
    I truly thank each and everyone of you for pointing us in the right direction.
    Our vet doesn’t seem to concern about the food right now, and not sure why. You would think that would be the first thing that would be mentioned to us.
    So, we have taken it upon ourselves to feed Brutus a more healthier diet, and continue to search for the best out there.
    Thank you again!! ;-)

  • Brandy

    Hi Heidi,
    I was actually looking on-line to see if I could feed my diabetic dog a scrambled egg as a treat when I came across your post and thought I may be able to help after a long battle of trying to get his insulin levels and diet right.
    I have Mini Pinscher with Diabetes and had a really difficult time getting his blood sugar managed. After starting him on insulin and trying to get his levels normal –
    He was getting really ferocious and frantic about getting more food, he started digging in the trash and begging and crying for more food – and that was unusual behavior for him. I assumed he needed a vitamin of some sort and after a TON of research found out the very expensive food we were feeding him was hurting him! It had very little actual nutrients and the bulk of the items were not even digestible by dogs. His Blood Sugar was all over the charts and we thought we were going to lose him.
    My husband read everything he could find about the ingredients in the food and read labels on dog foods for days to see if there was a vitamin lacking from his food that he may need.
    We found KIRKLAND SIGNATURE Canned Food by Costco – Yes the Costco Store Brand – has a really high rating and provided him with the nutrients he needed. It is actually made with high quality ingredients. He is on 6:30 am and 6:30 pm feeding scheduling and shots with both meals – he is on Novolin also. Within 1 -2 DAYS (yes that quick) he stopped the frantic search for food and was back to himself. The vet kept him in all day two times – to run blood test on his glucose levels every hour and that did it!! He needed more nutrients after starting on the insulin.
    This was about 8 months ago or so and we have had NO problems keeping him regulated since. We are very strict about his feeding and shot schedule.
    Also, Vet recommended canned low sodium green beans as a treat since he cannot have the typical dog treats. We always keep a bowl in the fridge and that keeps him happy as a reward.
    I know this probably isn’t best for every dog, I am not a vet, just love my dog and found that this food seemed to help replace the nutrients he was missing with the other food and we have been very happy with his improved health and love seeing him happy again.
    I am sure there are many different opinions, but I wanted to share what worked for me with a specific food to help answer your question.
    I hope this helps you.
    Brandy

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi aimee

    I will not get into a link war with you where you find as many links as you can that support your position and I do the same.

    That is a never ending trap that you often get in to with Shawna and it becomes one long drawn out mess where nothing gets settled and everything gets confused.

    You said:

    “An ultra low carb diet is not appropriate for every diabetic dog.”

    Your right! It is only good for 99% of dogs with diabetes.

    Just like seat belts are not appropriate for every driver, only the 99% that will be saved in an accident because they were wearing them. The other 1% will die because they did wear seat belts and 1% of dogs will be better off on a diet that is not low in carbohydrates.

    As a far as the ADA is concerned their statement that:

    “diabetes causes more deaths a year than breast cancer and AIDS combined. Two out of three people with diabetes die from heart disease or stroke.”

    would no longer be true if they did recommend the same ultra low carbohydrate diet I recommend for dogs with diabetes!!!!

    I am truly saddened by your undermining my recommendations because it is not you or I who will suffer, it is the people and their dogs who listen to you that will suffer.

    BTW I have read every article you have posted.

    When will you read:

    Diabetes Solution
    The Complete Guide to
    Achieving Normal Blood Sugars
    By Richard K Bernstein M.D.

    A book that is a factual scientific analysis of how to have a normal or non- diabetic blood sugar without any of the debilitating side effects that come along with this disease?

    A book written by a doctor who has the blood sugar of a non-diabetic who only has the side effects he acquired before he pioneered and began following an ultra low carbohydrate diet.

    Dr Bernstein has had diabetes for 64 years. He was an Engineer who because he was developing the typical diabetic complications developed the system that he continues to perfect to this day. A system that does not deny what is staring everyone right in the face.

    Diabetes is an inability to take sugar into the cells. Injected insulin has yet to duplicate the actions of endogenous insulin, Carbohydrates are the source of exogenous sugar. Eliminate as best as you can carbohydrates and you will live a longer healthier life if you are a human or a dog with diabetes.

    This is not just a blurb from the ADA. It is cutting edge science backed by results. Dr Bernstein became an M.D. in order to teach others to live a better life with a dreadful disease. A man who has helped thousands of people to beat the complications and early death they would have succumbed to if they followed the advice of the ADA.

    My story? I have been living with diabetes for 28 years and I have worked in a clinical setting educating people with diabetes.

    I have also educated people on how to care for a dog with diabetes through my work with a California non-profit dedicated to increasing off leash recreation areas for dogs and through my work with a local dog related business.

    I have personally seen what happens when people or dogs follow the typical ADA type of recommendations that don’t stress very low carbohydrate diets and the unnecessary suffering they have endured because of it.

    If ever you decide to really

    “understand the issue quite well”

    as you claim, then you will read the book I recommended. Until that time you will be hurting instead of helping dogs who suffer from diabetes.

  • aimee

    I understand the issue quite well and I believe each diabetic needs to be fed as an individual. An ultra low carb diet is not appropriate for every diabetic dog.

    If an ultra low carb diet was the golden key why isn’t this reflected in recommendations by the ADA?

    The American Diabetes Association doesn’t embrace an ultra low carbohydrate diets for people. In fact they recommend a diet “low in fat… meals based on whole grain foods” and report it is a myth that diabetics “should only eat small amounts of starchy foods.”

    “Myth:If you have diabetes, you should only eat small amounts of starchy foods, such as bread, potatoes and pasta ”

    “A healthy meal plan for people with diabetes is generally the same as a healthy diet for anyone – low in fat (especially saturated and trans fat), moderate in salt and sugar, with meals based on whole grain foods, vegetables and fruit”

    http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/?loc=db-slabnav.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi aimee

    There is only one simple overriding truth that all treatments for diabetes in people and dogs should be based on:

    CARBOHYDRATES ARE THE ENEMY.

    If you understood the disease with any clarity you would be confirming the use of ULTRA LOW carbohydrate diets instead of confusing the issue.

    Diabetes treatment in humans is light years ahead of diabetes treatment in dogs. I can best sum up the lack of science regarding diabetes in dogs with a quote from your first link:

    “The use of low-carbohydrate diets for the management of canine diabetes has not been investigated.”

    I can sum up the motivation behind current Veterinary treatment of diabetes in canines with another quote from your first link:

    “In some cases your veterinarian may suggest a special prescription diet to help manage your pet’s diabetes.”

    You are a scientific person and the science for treating diabetes with an ultra low carbohydrate diet (as well as insulin) IS OUT THERE. You will just have to look beyond a quick search on the internet.

    I recommend you start your education with the book:

    Diabetes Solution
    The Complete Guide to
    Achieving Normal Blood Sugars
    By Richard K Bernstein M.D.

  • aimee

    Hi Heidi,

    If you haven’t yet read these articles they may help.

    http://www.acvim.org/PetOwners/AnimalEducation/FactSheets/SmallAnimalInternalMedicine/NutritionalManagementofDiabetesMellitus.aspx

    http://www.acvim.org/PetOwners/AnimalEducation/FactSheets/SmallAnimalInternalMedicine/DiabetesMellitus.aspx

    In cats very low carbohydrate foods are often recommended. But I don’t see that this recommendation is being made by diabetes specialists for dogs.

    It seems reasonable to choose a diet with lower glycemic ingredients, but I don’t find that mentioned in either of these articles.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Heidi, the food I feed my dogs would not be appropriate for your Diabetic dog. I feed Victor’s grain free Ultra Professional, and Yukon River varieties.They also each get 1 can per day of Kirkland Cuts in Gravy or 4health canned. They also get various other protein rich foods like eggs, sardines, leftover meat ect.

  • Heidi

    Ugh!! >>sigh<< Back to the drawing board, then. What do you feed your Labs? Our Brutus is part Lab, and we had several Labs in the past. Black ones……..and we just adored them. Rest in peace my little friends. They are missed every day.

  • LabsRawesome

    Beneful Tubs are not a good choice. They contain 37% carbs, Here is the review. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/beneful-dog-food-wet/

    Your diabetic dog should be on ultra low carb canned foods. Dry dog food and tartar control is a myth. Think about it, do crunchy foods like crackers, chips clean your teeth? No they get stuck in your molars. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dry-dog-food-cleaner-teeth/

  • Heidi

    Oh, gotcha. Well, I did find Wellness brand dry dog food that was less then 32 in carbs, and the Beneful (wet) is 9 in carbs. And I like the Beneful because it has all natural ingredients. Brutus does like dry, and I was always told to give dry food to help with tarter control. I’ll will pass this on to our vet. Thank you SO much for all of your advice. This is still very new to us and we are just trying to do the right thing. =)

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Heidi the list I gave you is all canned foods. Diabetic dogs should be eating low carb canned. No dry food at all.

  • Heidi

    How do I find the carb #’s on the bag? I am thinking on the Wellness brand, but I know that our Brutus will not eat dry food only. He likes to have can/tub mixed in, but just a small amount.

  • Heidi

    Ohhhhh thank you! I will tell my vet of your findings and see what he says. In the meantime, is Wellness Food good for him or Blue Buffalo? Which type on these two brands being there are several types. What should I be looking for on the label? (% on carbs etc.)

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Heidi

    This is from the maker of Novolin N

    “Novolin N is an intermediate-acting insulin. The effects of Novolin N start working 1½ hours after injection.

    The greatest blood sugar lowering effect is between 4 and 12 hours after the injection. This blood sugar lowering may last up to 24 hours.”

    There are other types of insulin regimens that have the potential to control blood sugar better but if your Vet is supporting you on a twice a day regimen of Novolin N then I would stick with it for now.

    The novolin n starts working 1½ hours after injecting it, and it starts to work slowly (see graph below). So if you inject at 7am you should feed at 8:30am.

    With Novolin N you are trying to match the insulin peaks with the peaks in blood sugar from meals.

    Carbohydrates are the enemy for dogs (or people) with Diabetes. It makes sense to cut carbohydrates as much as possible so my recommendations are for canned or fresh foods with no more than 10% carbohydrates. The lower the better!!!

    Kibbles (dry foods) need starch (carbs) to hold them together and they lack moisture. Moisture in food helps to ensure your dog stays hydrated and also makes it easier on the kidneys. Don’t forget we need to protect the kidneys in a diabetic dog.

    For now I would look at Labs list of low carb canned foods:

    “By Nature 95% meats 10% carb, Nature’s Logic 6% carb, Wellness Core 1% carb, Hound & Gatos 10% carb, Blue Buffalo Wilderness 6% carb.”

    I would inject Novolin N 90 minutes before meals.
    I wold test blood sugar before you feed to see how his pre meal blood sugars are doing, test again 2 hours after meals, and test again before bedtime.

    This will give you an idea of how his overall blood sugars are doing and will help you in making dosage adjustments to his insulin.

    Stay on the low side of insulin dosage while you are figuring things out. A low blood sugar is much more dangerous than a high blood sugar. Low blood sugars from too much insulin can kill you on the spot. High blood sugars take time (months or years} to do their damage.

    I wish you and Brutus the best of luck with this new challenge. It is the most difficult in the beginning as you adjust but I promise you that with time and effort you can learn to control diabetes in Brutus!!!!

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Heidi, here is a list of low carb canned foods-
    By Nature 95% meats 10% carb, Nature’s Logic 6% carb, Wellness Core 1%
    carb, Hound & Gatos 10% carb, Blue Buffalo Wilderness 6% carb.

  • LabsRawesome

    Would you please stop posting nonsense. Flint River Ranch is not good for Diabetic dogs. It has 55% carbs. Diabetic dogs need ultra low carb food. Such as Raw or Canned.

  • Sharon

    Hi I am a Dist for FRR and have in the past few months have 3 customers to try the food for their dogs with D and it has made a difference in all of them. I think I have read where Beneful dry has sugar in it I don’t know about the tubs. Best of luck with your dog.

  • Heidi

    I am so confused by reading all of this. Please help us.
    Our mixed 60lbs, Brutus was diagnosed with diabetes a month ago, and he is on Novilin N insulin twice a day. We have yet to reach the perfect dose for him.

    Please tell me what brand of dry and wet dog food it best for him?
    Example of his readings:
    7am feeding, 7am insulin
    First blood drawn at 8am, 164
    2nd blood drawn at 11am, 363

    Our vet really hasn’t asked us to change his diet yet, but our dog is currently on Purina One Senior and Beneful 1/2 tub at each feeding.

  • Karena Harris

    Hi, I too have a diabetic Chihuahua who was over weight. It took several months to get her diabetes under control but have now had her “stable” for 2 years. I have but her on a strict diet of Purina OM dry and tinned food. This food is for obesity management so would be good for both your Chihuahua’s. My vet recommended it as it is slow release glucose so stop the dog feeling hungry all the time. I feed her twice daily and inject her at same time. She also gets 30 minutes twice a day exercise (off lead) immediately before feeding. This has worked well so far. Hope this helps you.

  • Charlie$

    Do not listen to this bullie

  • Charlie5+

    You are rude stupid bitch and very wrong

  • Charlie4

    You are wrong stupid bitch

  • Charlie5

    You don’t have a clue girl

  • Charlie 1

    Brenda don’t let them bullie you. Editor Mike put me in spam because he is a scam. He pushes lots of beef which causes grief. It is a joke with the white dentist coat.He deleted and blocked 1000 s of people doing nothing wrong to do harm with his charm.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Sandees herd

    The good news is that unless your Diabetic Chihuahua has other health issues all of your dogs can eat the same food.

    A low carb high protein canned diet is more appropriate for ALL dogs than a starchy kibble. It is especially beneficial for overweight, yeasty or Diabetic dogs.

    Wellness 95% meat cans are only 1% carbs. They are not nutritionally complete so you should only feed them occasionally unless you buy a vitamin and mineral supplement to add to the food.

    By Natures 95% meats say they ARE nutritionally complete and they are about 10% carbs.

    Natures Logic canned does not say whether they are nutritionally complete but they don’t say for intermittent or supplemental feeding only (wellness 95% meats does say this). Natures Logic contains egg product which might be OK for dogs who are allergic to milk and cheese as an allergy to one doesn’t mean the dog will be allergic to the other.

    Hound and Gatos canned is 10% carbs and claims to be nutritionally complete.

    (Thank you Labs for your list!)

    For an overweight dog I would start with the manufacturers recommended amount for the weight they are now and slowly taper them down to the recommended amount for the weight you want them to be.

    Rotate varieties (chicken, fish, duck etc) every month or so. This varies their nutrients and they won’t get bored of the same food all the time.

    Good Luck with the Herd!!!!

  • Sandees herd

    Hi. I’m close to my wits end and would like some help. I have a very yeasty Chocolate lab just allergy tested, allergic to BEEF and DAIRY. A thin chihuahua just diagnosed with diabetes very high insulin level, and an obese Chihuahua. I have them all on different foods ( instinct duck wet and dry, W D low glycemic wet and dry, and blue buffalo fish and potato dry and benefuls chopped beef and chicken) feeding time has become a nightmare. I also have one normal lab mix. Is there something they can all eat, that is good and healthy for all of them? And won’t break the bank? Please help.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi

    Thanks for linking to that article.

    The article also says;

    “The exact cause of diabetes is unknown. However, autoimmune disease, genetics, obesity, chronic pancreatitis, certain medications and abnormal protein deposits in the pancreas can play a major role in the development of the disease.”

    Thanks again for the link!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    The Dog Food Advisor community encourages “courteous critiques, polite debate and calm disagreement”.

    Unfortunately, your recent remarks compel me to remind you to please adhere to Our Commenting Policy which states:

    “… we delete comments that exceed the boundaries of courteous behavior. This includes remarks that are rude, profane, mean-spirited, disrespectful, lack good manners or otherwise unrelated to the topic at hand.”

    Posting comments in this community is a privilege. Please consider yourself duly warned.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Calcium and Phosphorus are part of the meat, fiber is a carb, vitamin E and the omegas are fats. They are all part of the macronutrient profile.

  • Hugo

    Dogwell Livefree and Nutrisca are both dry food with low glycemic levels. Livefree generally being at 10 and Nutrisca at around 15. Those wouldn’t be good to check out.

  • Brenda T.

    It’s sweet potato on the can, it also has an orangish hue, so betting sweet potato. Probably a misprint, look at ALL of their other recipes.
    Thank you for proving my point, but you forgot to factor in fiber, moisture, calcium, phosphorus, vitamin E, Omega 3 & 6 = 27.41% assumed carbs but guessing it is even less because there are no carbs in the first five ingredients.
    By the way, look at the first ingredient “deboned” trout and look up the definition of ash.

  • q22

    You need to look at the ingredients for beef and vegetables again.

    The 4th ingredient is “potatoes”

    http://nulo.com/dog/naturals/dog-naturals-canned-recipes/beef-vegetables/

    You need to check your calculations for Endurance again

    Dry Matter Analysis of Endurance
    34% protein = 37.8% DM
    20% fat = 22.2% DM
    8% Ash, estimated

    37.8 +
    22.2 +
    8 =
    68%
    That Leaves 32% as CARBOHYDRATES

    You came here and said Nulo has no grains. You were wrong.

    You said Nulo prevents diabetes. It doesn’t

    You said Nulo contains only low GI ingredients. Wrong again.

    Please stop spreading false information on the dog food advisor

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi kmax, here is a list of low carb canned foods- By Nature 95% meats 10% carb, Nature’s Logic 6% carb, Wellness Core 1% carb, Hound & Gatos 10% carb, Blue Buffalo Wilderness 6% carb.

  • LabsRawesome

    How is a dog food with 55% carbs good for diabetic dogs?

  • Sharon

    Hi
    I am a Dist for FRR and have at this time 3 dogs that was on special food and was not doing good and when they changed to FRR there sugar level along with insulin is now under control. If you would like to talk to them you can let me know. Whatever works for them is great and so far this has helped them. I just talked to the one lady and it just had the blood work or ??? they do for testing for the past 4 weeks and it was really good.
    Sharon

  • losul

    I would think they could also be helpful for weight loss, to help a dog feel fuller. 1/2 cup only has about 18 calories, and only 2 grams of net carbs + 2 grams of fiber.

  • Jennifer

    I had a dog that was diabetic and one thing that made the food better for him was green beans. I bought the no salt added kind and drained them, chopped them up and mixed with his kibble. He liked that a lot.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I’m afraid you don’t understand diabetes in dogs at all. Dogs are known for Type 1 diabetes, not Type 2.

  • Brenda T.

    Look, I’m not going to argue with you, please refer to earlier posts for information and for the record, another inaccuracy. I looked over the recipe for beef and vegetables, no white potatoes. I am just simply looking at the ingredients and guarnteed analysis available for every canned and dry pet food recipe/brand distributed in the US.

  • Brenda T.

    I knew that did not look right. I actually did the calculation for Lifestyles Endurance and after subtracting all percentages from the guaranteed analysis (for min/max I went with the lower amount) from 100% it is 27.41%.
    At most there is 27.41% carbohydrates in that formula but there are also at least twenty un-accounted for dried fruits, veggies, vitamins and minerals on the ingredient list that presumably take up another at least 2 – 5% collectively. Now we’re looking at approximately 22 – 25% low glycemic carbs in that formula.

    I also calculated Blue Buffalo’s (another premium brand) carbohydrates in their Adult Fish & Sweet Potato recipe (one of their better recipes as many of the others use high-glycemic potatoes and still fuzzy on what kind of white fish as there are quite a few varieties) and the percentage left after subtracting all guaranteed analysis percentages came to 40.8% (assumed carbohydrates). Subtract the same amount 2 – 5% for other ingredients and approx. 35 – 38% carbs. Clearly, Nulo is well below the average and possibly an industry leader in low, quality carbs for dry foods.

    My point is just keeping this accurate. You can choose whatever food you want for your pet but please do not spread misinformation, falsely detering, hoarding discussion boards, and bullying others away from expressing their opinion and blacklisting quality pet foods based on a vague at best understanding of nutrition.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Brenda T

    You said: “A good pet food for diabetes prevention is Nulo”

    Can you please provide links to the studies that show this.

    You said: “Nulo’s recipes use low-glycemic ingredients like sweet potatoes and peas only, 80%+ animal-based proteins, grain-free,

    Nulo uses Grains and ingredients that are NOT low glycemic.

    You said: “All pet foods have carbohydrates (and your estimate of 40% – 50% carbohydrates is miscalculated btw, more like 30% – 40% which is well below the average in pet foods)”

    Trim is Nulo’s highest Carb dry food the dry matter breakdown is:

    Protein 27.8%
    Fat 7.8%
    Ash (estimated) 8%
    = 43.6%
    The rest would be Carbohydrates at 56.4%.

    Nulo Naturals Chicken and Rice is reviewed here at Dog Food Advisor and the review gives it 46% Carbohydrates on a dry matter basis

    If you have lab analyses from NULO that show the actual values of nutrients in these foods, can you please provide them?

    Again I am happy that your dogs are doing well on Nulo!!!!

  • Brenda T.

    Hi USA Dog Treats, again, I’m not saying it will cure diabetes, if your pet has diabetes, no food will cure your pet. It will require insulin and a vet. Again, I was going for the folks with younger animals that have a chance to feed their pet right and prevent the likelihood they will become diabetic from my sole perspective and a little research, mostly identifying with what is summarized in the article above.
    The point I was making is that many pet foods use high-glycemic ingredients. When you feed an animal high-glycemic ingredients over a significant period of time, they will likely become insulin resistant (diabetic).

    All pet foods have carbohydrates (and your estimate of 40% – 50% carbohydrates is miscalculated btw, more like 30% – 40% which is well below the average in pet foods) & more importantly, not all carbohydrates are bad. There is a difference between starchy white potatoes which score very high on the glycemic index, an 85 in fact, and Brown Rice which scores a 55.

    Look at the first five ingredients in Nulo Balance for example, which make up more than 80% of the total formulation. Hmmm, we have Deboned Salmon, Turkey Meal, Menhaden Fish Meal, Brown Rice (a good carbohydrate and 55 on the glycemic index) and Oatmeal (another good carbohydrate and 49 on the glycemic index). Animal based as opposed to soy based protein, check. Low glycemic, good carbohydrates, check. Would I feel safe eating these ingredients myself, check. Sold.

    Hmmm. Now lets juxtapose this with a medium grade pet food (I just googled a popular brand, no names as I do not want backlash) whole grain corn, soybean mill run, chicken by-product meal, powdered cellulose, corn gluten meal. Cheap GMO crops for protein, high-glycemic and nutritionally void corn (72 on the glycemic index), and the one animal based protein third on the list is by-product. Enough said.
    My advice, look at the actual ingredients over percentages which can be easily manipulated, also I have found for the most part you get what you pay for in pet food.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Wellness Core canned, but it is higher calorie, so you really have to feed the right amount. It’s higher protein and fat, but that’s supposed to help them feel fuller longer so they don’t think they are starving. Does she get any exercise? Is she overweight?

  • kmax

    Hello, Zoe is a 12 year old Maltese.
    She weighs right at 10lbs.

    We recently found out she is diabetic.
    The “all day test” showed she had really high sugar levels all day…300-600 at times.

    She is on 2 units of insulin. Twice a day.

    Right now we are feeding her
    “Hills Metabolic Advanced Weight Loss.”
    1/2 cup in the morning… 1/2 cup in the evening.

    I just dont want to starve her.
    She seems to be starving all the time.

    Any recommendations for better food?

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Brenda T

    I never heard of Nulo before you mentioned it. I am always interested in finding out about new dog foods that would be beneficial for a dog with Diabetes.

    Nulo has 2 dry food lines for dogs, Lifestyles and Naturals. Out of the eight different formulas 7 CONTAIN GRAINS and MEDIUM GI (56-69) Ingredients. The 1 (out of 8) grain-free low GI formula they have is called Lifestyles Endurance. 34% protein, 20% fat and over 30% Carbohydrates. The other 7 formulas range from about 40% to over 50% Carbohydrates!

    Their canned foods mostly conain Low Glycemic ingredients but they are all over 35% Carbohydrates!

    I am happy that your dogs are doing well on this food, but I could never recommend any of Nulo’s
    products for a dog with Diabetes and I can’t see how any of Nulo’s foods could prevent Diabetes.

  • Brenda T.

    Whoa, relax. Just saying it’s good to feed low glycemic ingredients that do not spike glucose levels. http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/glycemic-index-and-diabetes.html

  • Pattyvaughn

    Diabetes isn’t caused by high glycemic anything, so how in the world can they claim to prevent it?!?

  • Brenda T.

    A good pet food for diabetes prevention is Nulo, probably even better than the vet prescribed foods that are still all made by Nestle. The owner actually started the company in response to a rise in pet diabetes that he witnessed in his pet sitting business. Nulo’s recipes use low-glycemic ingredients like sweet potatoes and peas only, 80%+ animal-based proteins, grain-free, probiotics, you really can’t beat it. Plus my dogs love the taste of it maybe because they are getting the nutrition they need. I would be a little apprehensive about only feeding your pet canned food because typically canned foods do not have the full spectrum of nutrition required for a healthy pet. Typically I will go with 50/50 kibble to canned Nulo, rotating recipes.
    For the record, I have two five year old small breeds, never sick, happy, playful, beautiful full coats… I also take them for long walks/runs often; nutrition plus exercise for you and your pet is most important for diabetes prevention.

  • Kerry McMahon

    What is to high for insulin. my dog was past 600 and sometimes she goes off the chart. But regulating the dog with the correct dosage takes time. I would go to another vet. I know our vet wouldn’t give up.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Betsy

    You’re very welcome! I wish you and ALL your pups well.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi barbara

    I am sorry to hear you and your pup are going through so much.

    Insulin needles are very very thin and very short. Insulin is injected under the skin not into a muscle. Most dogs will not even react to an Insulin injection.

    I have had diabetes for 28 years and I take 5 injections of Insulin a day. I also test my blood sugar 4 or more times a day by pricking my finger with a very thin lancet. The discomfort I feel is NOTHING compared to the discomfort I would feel if I DID NOT take Insulin.

    Your dog will feel a thousand times better if you give him Insulin. Living with uncontrolled Diabetes is not something your dog will enjoy!!!

    Your dog will thank you for giving him Insulin by living a longer, happier and healthier life!!!

    Depending on his coat and size your dog should be able to use one of the Insulin syringes below. Believe me when I tell you they are THIN!

    BD ULTRA-FINE™ Short Needle Insulin Syringe
    3/10mL Syringe
    31G x 8mm (5/16″)
    BD Catalog # 328291
    NDC/HRI No. 08290-3282-91

    BD ULTRA-FINE™ Needle Insulin Syringe
    3/10mL Syringe
    30G x 12.7mm (1/2″)
    BD Catalog # 328280
    NDC/HRI No. 08290-3282-80

    I would stick with canned foods, they are much more appropriate for a dog with diabetes then dry foods.

    Check out the canned food reviews here on Dog Food Advisor. The reviews list the protein, fat and carbs for each food.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi James,

    I wanted to thank you for your advice. Sam has been doing really well for quite a while (more than a few months), so I’m going to hold off on an elimination diet for now. I’ll keep your suggestions in mind if it comes to that.
    I also wanted to tell you I think you must’ve hit the nail on the head with the herring! I thought of another food I had really wanted to use, Dr. Tim’s. I tried it twice quite a while ago and he reacted both times. I just checked this morning and sure enough, it contains herring meal. Ah ha!!

    Thanks again! I’m really happy to have this figured out and hope that this is Sam’s only problem ingredient.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Your dog doesn’t have to understand why, he just has to accept that you are going to do it.

  • claudia

    My dog has chicken allergies…I feed him Natural balance Fish…if he didn’t have chicken allergies I may actually use Fat dog

  • barbara

    My dog has Addison’s and diabetes he gets shot of percorton 1x month he also takes pred they want me to give insulin but just cannot do it really can’t seem to understand why I would be hurting him 2x a day and making v his stress level go up if itreally wwon’t help being we have tried before he has been through a lot this past 6 months he will be 10 in may I feed wellnyess can stew but looking for another food if he will eat it tried live free cause they said it was low glycemic he threw up on it and then stopped eating changed back to the wellness he needs a low fat low carb food he will not eat vet food

  • Pattyvaughn

    Try mixing in Wellness Core canned foods. They are very low carb and if she does OK with it you can even switch her over to that.

  • Dierdra Caperton Allen

    My 12 year old is a diabetic.My vet has her on the W-D diet. She does not like this food, the wet food.Is there any thing to put on it to make it taste better for her? I put fresh chicken in it but I think she is getting tired of that as well.

  • Andrea

    My dog just got diagnosed with diabetes on Monday.
    She has crystals in her urine so she is on a special Royal Canin SO diet; now vet said to only give a tiny bit;(wet food) 2x per day, before I give her insulin 2x per day. She is used to eating whatever she wanted when ever she wanted! The vet told me to give her green beans and carrots. She is not crazy about it, but I microwaved the carrots and she likes it much better.
    This is a nightmare. I can’t eat in front of her!
    Good luck.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Hound & Gatos might be worth a try too. They don’t add fruits/veg to their food. http://houndgatos.com/dog-products.aspx Another one I like is Nature’s Logic canned food. I would still contact the companies and ask for a lab analysis. The protein and fat listed on their websites are minimums. They could in fact have less carbs and more protein and way more fat than their websites state.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Sandy

    You said; “Edit: LiveFree is suppose to be low glycemic!”

    LiveFree IS low Glycemic. Cooked Chickpeas have a Glycemic index of 10, so a food that was 100% chickpeas would be 10 on the Glycemic Index, that is super low. Cooked chickpeas also get a whopping 70% of their calories from Carbohydrates.

    So even though LiveFree is Low Glycemic, it is NOT low in carbohydrates and being Low Glycemic does not mean that it is an appropriate food for a dog let alone a dog with diabetes!

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Sandy

    Dr Mike has the carbs listed at 25% for the LiveFree canned and 30% for the LiveFree kibble. While LiveFree may be low in carbs compared to most dog foods, it is not what I would consider low in carbs for a dog with diabetes.

  • USA Dog Treats

    You are very welcome!

    Not all cans are low carb. The wet food section here at DFA lists the carb content of many different canned foods. Carbs are usually NOT listed on any dog food labels. Dr Mike uses a formula to figure out the carbs in ALL the dog foods he reviews.

    Wellness Core canned foods are exceptionally low in carbs (about 1%). Canned foods don’t need to use any starches to hold the food together the way kibbles do.

    Try to rotate every month or so between the different varieties if you can.

    Good Luck!

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    LiveFree by dogswell is low carb. Dogswell.com

  • klattuu

    Thank you so much. It looks like it is readily available as well. Are all the canned products ultra low carb? I’ll look at it more closely and try to decipher the labels! Thanks again!

  • Jazz

    I will say that Va Tech is an EXCELLENT animal hospital…they are the BEST! Our little one’s eyes had just too much damage to replace the lens. They told us it would be very high odds against success but they would try and we agreed, They did clear up a six yr ongoing ear issue by having dermatologist vet go in during surgery and clean up tons of debri and junk. This made a huge difference for our dog’s happiness and comfort. every local vet wanted to do TECA procedure and VA Tech said that was totally unnecessary and they were right. local vets were also giving an ear med that was causing neurological damage due to ruptured ear drum. You have to be so careful with vets…..if you have a big problem vets at teaching schools are the best

  • Jazz

    spent every bit of 6300.00 at Va Tech for diabetic schnauzer who became diabetic, then blind in about one month. vet hosp would not do surgery and waited two weeks to clear up ear infection by then the part that holds the lens had ruptured but surgery proceeded tho iffy. No success at all. but my baby is happy and healthy other than totally blind and diabetic. We feed her what I guess is an awful food according to this site, Purina one healthy weight…but she is so prone to pancreatitis that when we tried the better foods, she ends up at the vet with a huge bill. Hope your surgery goes well if you decide to do it…..unless they give you excellent odds ( we did not get excellent odds) I would not do it. my dog has adjusted fantastically to the blindness and gets extra love which she adores.

  • USA Dog Treats

    I am sorry to hear about Winston’s troubles.

    I would suggest you try Wellness Core canned foods. Ultra low carbs from a decent company. It’s about $2 a can for the Turkey formula and I think that it could help Winston!

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Betsy,

    At this point what I would do is:

    Blood test with a full thyroid panel, not just T4.

    Feed exclusively for a minimum of eight weeks Canine Caviar 95% canned Beaver and nothing else.

    Multivitamin and Mineral will be needed because this food is not balanced in nutrients.

    Garden of Life probiotics, 1 capsule a day for eight weeks.

    http://www.vitacost.com/garden-of-life-raw-probiotics-women-90-vegetarian-capsules-2

    This will

    Rule out food allergies.

    Eliminate low thyroid as problem.

    Build up immune system with good bacteria while hopefully eliminating some of the yeast.

    Good Luck!!!

  • klattuu

    Winston is a 12 yr old beagle with diabetes. We spent several K on his eyes which bought some time with his sight, fading fast, The vet has now said to feed him Hills RD for the lower carbs. I agree it would be better to switch to canned from kibble. He hates the kibble anyway, even when mixing wet and dried. Is there an alternative to the price of the Hills. Also concerned that the main ingredient is pork by-products. He also receives N insulin (10 units 2x daily). Any advice on an alternative food would be greatly appreciated.

  • Betsy Greer

    Thank you, James! That’s great advice!

    I really appreciate your breakdown of Sam’s foods, too. You could definitely be on to something with the herring also. I just looked and saw that the Orijen adult also contained herring meal! I wonder if that could be his problem ingredient?! Sam is always a good eater, but the last couple of times I put a sardine on top of his dinner he was very reluctant to eat it. Maybe I should stick to krill oil for the added omegas.

    Edit ~ shoot, I just remembered another that he reacted to was Earthborn’s Great Plains Feast ~ that one doesn’t conform to the problem foods, but maybe it’s just a completely different problem ingredient. I always wondered if the problem might be canola oil.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Betsy

    The bad:

    Herring
    Carbs 30% and below.
    Fat 18% and above.
    Lentils

    The Good:

    Carbs above 35%.
    No herring (one has herring oil which could be OK even if herring isn’t).
    Fat 18% and below.

    For yeasty ears,

    Mix 1 part apple cider vinegar (the cloudy ones)
    and
    3 parts water.

    Soak cotton ball and squeeze a little into the ear canal, don’t let them shake their head, massage the ear canal. Then let them shake and wipe the inside of the ear with another cotton ball. Use as many cotton balls as it takes to leave the ears clean. Repeat daily until you see improvement then once or twice a week for maintenance

    For a body rub:

    Mix 1 part apple cider vinegar
    and
    9 parts water

    Spray the body (protect the eyes) and rub in or soak cloth and wipe down. Pay special attention to the armpits, groin, inside thighs and any other really bad areas. Let air dry. Every day when bad, 1 to 3 times a week for maintenance.

    A teaspoon of coconut oil added to food (best natural anti-fungal)
    Digestive enzymes to help digest everything, carbs especially.

    Probiotics to build up the good bacteria and the immune system.

    Start only one new thing at a time and start slowly so you know if it helped and to minimize any adverse reactions.

    All of my suggestions are what I would do. I’m not a medical professional, I only play one on TV!