Taste of the Wild (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★½

Taste of the Wild Dog Food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4.5 stars.

The Taste of the Wild product line includes seven dry dog foods, three claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for adult maintenance and four for growth (Puppy).

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Taste of the Wild Southwest Canyon
  • Taste of the Wild Sierra Mountain (3.5 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild Wetlands Formula (5 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild High Prairie Formula (5 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream Formula (4 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild High Prairie Puppy Formula (4 stars)
  • Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream Puppy Formula (4 stars)

Taste of the Wild High Prairie Puppy Formula was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Taste of the Wild High Prairie Puppy

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 31% | Fat = 19% | Carbs = 42%

Ingredients: Bison, lamb meal, sweet potatoes, egg product, pea protein, peas, potatoes, canola oil, tomato pomace, roasted venison, roasted bison, flaxseed, potato fiber, natural flavor, ocean fish meal, salmon oil (a source of DHA), salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, Yucca schidigera extract, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 5.6%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis28%17%NA
Dry Matter Basis31%19%42%
Calorie Weighted Basis26%39%35%

The first ingredient in this dog food is bison. Although it is a quality item, raw bison contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient includes lamb meal. Lamb meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh lamb.

The third ingredient includes sweet potato. Sweet potatoes are a gluten-free source of complex carbohydrates in a dog food. They are naturally rich in dietary fiber and beta carotene.

The fourth ingredient is egg product, an unspecified (wet or dry?) form of shell-free eggs. Quality can vary significantly. Lower grade egg product can even come from commercial hatcheries — from eggs that have failed to hatch.

In any case, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The fifth ingredient is pea protein, what remains of a pea after removing the starchy part of the vegetable.

Even though it contains over 80% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The sixth ingredient includes peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. And like all legumes, they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The seventh ingredient is potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The eighth ingredient is canola oil. Many applaud canola for its favorable omega-3 content while some condemn it as an unhealthy fat.

Much of the objection regarding canola oil appears to be related to the use of genetically modified rapeseed as its source material.

Yet others find the negative stories about canola oil more the stuff of urban legend than actual science.1

In any case, plant-based oils like canola are less biologically available to a dog than fish oil as a source of quality omega-3 fats.

The ninth ingredient includes tomato pomace. Tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, salmon oil is naturally rich in the prized EPA and DHA type of omega-3 fatty acids. These two high quality fats boast the highest bio-availability to dogs and humans.

Depending on its level of freshness and purity, salmon oil should be considered a commendable addition.

Next, chicory root is rich in inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and found in certain roots and tubers.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

And lastly, this food contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Taste of the Wild Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Taste of the Wild Dog Food looks like an above average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 31%, a fat level of 19% and estimated carbohydrates of about 42%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 31% and a mean fat level of 18%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 43% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 57%.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the pea protein, peas and flaxseed in this recipe as well as the potato protein and garbanzo beans contained in other recipes, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Taste of the Wild Dog Food is a plant-based kibble using a moderate amount of named meats, meat meals and fish as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4.5 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content.

Those looking for a quality grain-free wet food may wish to visit our review of Taste of the Wild canned dog food.

A Final Word

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Notes and Updates

10/17/2013 Last Update

  1. Mikkelson, B and DP, Oil of Ole, Urban Legends Reference Pages (2005)
  • Thomas

    My comment may have been deleted…

    I actually posted in reference to how great TOTW has been with my new pup. I guess this thread doesn’t know how to handle a relevant comment. Anywho, High Prairie formula is the best as far as muscle definition goes. Pacific Stream is great for overall absorption–less poop, so more absorption. But I like the higher fat content in the bison formula. Just me. Anyone else have success or failure with this brand. All I see on any of these threads is propaganda and brand bashing. It’s really frustrating having to scroll for two hours to get a real critique.

  • Thomas

    I’d like to add a comment pertaining to TOTW, which is what this thread is for, though people seem to have forgotten that.

    I think it’s great. Isn’t that refreshing? I’m not one of those freaks who would rather discuss recalls or mention other brands on this thread. This is the TOTW page, is it not? I could care less about Hill Science or IAMS or Orijen…the list goes on and on. Please tell us! How did your dog react to TOTW?

    As alluded to, my dog does great on it. He has great muscle definition. He loved the Pacific Stream at first, but I think I’ll switch back to the bison-based food. He (a black mouth cur, btw) was putting on muscle more rapidly on the High Prairie, which is the first bag I tried. I think it was the higher fat content, which is just as important as the protein–good fats, that is. Energy is good. Poop is good…better on the Pacific Stream, oddly enough–less poop.

    Anyway, anyone else actually use this stuff, or am I the only one?

  • Shawna

    Ummm, humans eat raw meats all the time.. Sushi and sashimi are quite popular in my area. Steak tartar is considered a delicacy.

    I also find it a bit strange that you would call out raw diets for salmonella when Taste of the Wild has been recalled for the very same concern??

    Parasites can be killed by adequate freezing in most cases. In the rare exception, like salmon, it is advised that the food be cooked or not eaten.

    Kibbles have had numerous recalls for salmonella contamination. That aside, a healthy pet can actually be a carrier for salmonella and ecoli. It is part of their normal flora.
    “A number of bacterial organisms commonly associated with diarrhea in dogs and cats include Salmonella, Campylobacter, Clostridium perfringens and Clostridium difficile.

    Veterinarians are faced with a quandary when attempting to diagnose dogs and cats with suspected bacterial-associated diarrhea, because these organisms commonly represent a normal part of the host’s intestinal microflora.” http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ccah/local-assets/pdfs/newsletter_2003_fall.pdf

    Dog in my avatar has had kidney disease since birth (symptoms noticed at around six weeks of age). She also had some other complications and was almost lost. Since coming to me at nine weeks of age she has been raw fed. The only time she gets sick is if I feed her kibble for more than one or two meals infrequently (running late or seriously lazy). She was officially diagnosed with kd at one year of age and given one year longer to live. That was seven years ago. She is still going strong, still unmedicated and still eating raw. Her eight year birthday is next week. I have no doubt she would not be with me any longer if I fed her kibble regularly (any brand of kibble).

    For the record, I’m not particularly fond of Diamond at the moment but I’m not in the fear TotW camp either.

  • A D

    I see fear mongering and self advertizing has seeped into the dog food forums :( . Taste of the Wild is a high quality USA made dog food and i currently feed it to my dog (who enjoys the fact we can switch around the recipes –without diarrhea issues– because he burns out on dry food flavors quickly) and my cat eats Taste of the Wild cat food (and loves it). Raw feeding can have deadly consequences, our dogs are not wolves and can easily become victims of e. coli, salmonella and parasites just like humans. Since raw feeding is risky business despite what those on the internet will tell you and vegan diet feeding a dog is insane and cruel, these canned and dry products are the best options for health. I personally recommend TOTW, both my animals, a 200lb Saint Bernard (tall beast, not fat at all) and my grey domestic short-hair cat (roughly 10lbs, none of it fat) have done well on this brand. Both animals are healthy and active (well as active as a 3 year old saint bernard chooses to be lol). The current recipe we’re using for the dog is the Pacific Stream formula. Aside from slightly more offensive stools (common with fish based foods), we’re pleased with it. Our vet was also pleased that we were feeding this grain free brand of food to our dog and cat.

  • swak

    de tragedy

    richarddarlington.com

  • SP
  • Daniel Corral Jr

    I called taste of the wild phone line and they did told me it has two ingredients from China. Is this good or bad?

  • Ana Sofia

    Hello my vet recomend the taste of the wild for my pet, he is a baby bobtail- Old sheep dog with 4 months, but I was searching on ingredients and I have not found calcio, it is in the food or not?

    Thanks

  • Betsy Greer

    Did you read the original post?

    The OP is already feeding a raw diet, albeit an unbalanced raw diet; which is why I suggested learning how to create a properly balanced raw diet versus adding kibble to compensate for “nutritional deficiencies.”

  • Stephen Scott

    I have male bully mix that has blood sugar and kidney infection issues…and 2 females that have allergies to fish and pork…..the only food I have found that all of them can eat is the Sierra mountain mix……just my 2cents

  • Solus

    People seem to forget that back in 2007, there was a huge recall of cat and dog food because of contamination in the source from the Chinese company Included in that recall were not only Diamond Pet Foods, but also Purina’s Alpo, Hill’s Science Diet, many of DelMonte’s cat and dog food treats, Royal Canin, Blue Buffalo, and some of Drs. Foster & Smith dog foods. All these brands are rated as being high quality, yet they’ve had their problems as well. What folks don’t seem to take into consideration is that, at least as of 2012, China supplied about 70% of the pet food ingredients shipped to the US.

    As Rick stated, the Diamond Pet Food recall involved one plant in SC, not the entire company and all its plants. Salmonella and other contaminants are found in human foods, too, along with high levels of pesticide residue, yet we continue to buy and eat these products.

    While I realize we need to be careful about what we and our pets eat, panicking doesn’t solve anything. If you want better quality, go to the source and pressure the USDA, your representatives in government, and anyone else who has any influence in getting better standards, better truth in labeling laws, more frequent and more stringent inspections, and so on. Switching to another company’s foods is not going to solve the problem. You could be at just as much risk with some other brand as you think you are with Diamond.

  • Solus

    A lot of salmon (and Duungeness crab) caught commercially in the Pacific is then shipped to China for processing and then shipped back to America for sale. Recently, the USDA has opened up the way to allow chickens to be shipped from the US to China for processing and then shipped back for sale here.

  • Solus

    I hear this all the time about pets’ diets, but those who promote raw food diets for their pets don’t seem to allow for the fact that not everyone has the time or money to do this. Please understand that, whatever might be the ideal diet, not everybody can manage it. And for many animals, getting a loving home, vet care, and a fairly good food every day is much more than they had before.

  • aquariangt

    the majority of current research supports high protein levels, not lower. I personally use 30 as a bare minimum-mid 30s more often. I think your pups will be just fine on merrick

  • Crazy4cats

    Your pups are GORGEOUS! I don’t believe you have to worry about too high of protein. However, there are plenty of 4 and 5 star puppy foods that are definitely lower than that. I just think it’s important to keep them on a puppy or all life stages food for a while longer to make sure they get the proper nutrients. I hope you find something suitable that you can get in Israel. Good luck!

  • blacksunshine84

    Thank you. I’ll watch my dogs’ rice consumption from now on.

  • TheDogMan77

    Really?? I thought it was always okay to have lots of protein (humans) because the body will just get rid of what it doesn’t need like it does for vitamins. Is this different for dogs?

  • TheDogMan77

    Hello I’m looking for a quick answer since I have relatively no knowledge in this area (other then what my vet gave me, which sucks). My dog has had diabetes for a couple of a years now and is blind. We give him vitamin b, insulin and feed him Hills Prescription W/D, which I have come to find out its not the best for him (first ingredient being corn). How can they lie to us like that?

    Anyways we are looking for a new food and need one asap since the other stuff ran out and he also didn’t want to eat it anymore. He is about 11 years old and is only around 20 pounds (vet has no weight issues with him). I am at a complete roadblock as I don’t know what to even look for or who to ask since all vets recommended Hills W/D which is terrible, and always seems hungry after.

    What would you guys recommend as a good food for what I listed? I am in need of one asap and am going to a store who only carries and recommends high protein, low carbs, and no fiber. I need to know what to look for and would really appreciate some help on an honest dog brand who doesn’t lie about their food (ahem Blue Buffalo).

    Also thought I’d add he doesn’t seem to have energy anymore, and it makes sense looking at the ingredients in his food.

    Thanks guys!

  • Tomer

    thanks, but i am worried about the high protein level of merrick. its 42 when dogs can handle something around 30… it will hurt their kidneys on the long run…
    i need to find good puppy food that is imported to Israel and its not an easy task.

  • Dr J

    All frozen fish sucks, because the freezing process breaks cells open and makes the fish dry.

  • Dr J

    More so than white rice, BUT it all comes down to where the rice was grown, since it pulls the arsenic from the ground and not all areas have arsenic in the soil.

  • Barbara

    Have you checked out the Best 5-Star Dry Puppy Foods on this site? Some comments under that topic may help you. See Shawna’s recent comment for some advice. Good Luck!

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Tomer-
    No, in my opinion, it would not be OK to feed them the adult maintenance formula. Taste of the Wild, however, has two puppy formulas. I feel you should stick to either a puppy food or an all life stages until they are at least a year old. BTW, I think that Siberian huskies are the most beautiful dogs. Sounds like you have your hands full. Please post pics!

  • Christine Daley

    Pups that will be 50 pounds and up benefit from a large breed puppy formula as it has the correct amounts of calcium and phosphorous for good bone development. Feed until about 14 months. All life stages is okay also but not plain adult as they are not adults!! I do not prefer TOTW because manufactured by diamond!! Toooo many recalls there. Look into Orijen at mr. Chewy.. $$$$ but great food!! A 28.6 pound bag is $75.99.

  • Tomer

    Hi! i have two 4months old Siberian huskies. i feed them with merrick grain-free chicken formula (all life stages). i read wonderful reviews here and other places about TOTW wetlands formula. is it ok to feed my puppies with good quality adult dog food? huskies are considered to be a medium size dogs. love to here what you guys think about it…

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Milo8912,

    Rather than adding kibble to your dog’s diet, why not study up on how to create a balanced raw diet. It would be so much healthier for your dog than adding kibble. You could even as a vitamin supplement to his current diet; for example: Nature’s Logic All Food Fortifier, which is a whole food (nothing synthetic) supplement.

    Dogaware.com has tons of information about creating a homemade raw diet as does the forum section of this site.

  • Milo8912

    This is interesting. Based on reading this site in the past and the guaranteed analysis, I always considered TOTW to be a great quality food. Was very very slowly transitioning my 2 year old Belgian Malinois from raw mix (ground beef, whole eggs, plain full-fat yogurt, and mixed veggies) to TOTW High Prairie and it wreaked crazy havoc on his digestive system. Legitimate squirts lol (gross). He’s on bland chicken and rice until it calms down… I bought a bag of Wellness Complete Health with higher carb content, hopefully it will bind him a little better. Consulted the vet on this and my goal is to balance the raw with kibble for any nutrition deficiencies.

  • SandyandMila

    Thanks! I know Rick is done with the convo but maybe someone else can find the information useful. :)

  • Shawna

    VERY interesting article!! Thanks for sharing!!!! I knew that fiber binds minerals but was not aware that excessive carb consumption could cause/or at least contribute to B and C deficiencies. Thanks again

  • SandyandMila
  • blacksunshine84

    Does brown rice also contain arsenic?

  • aquariangt

    I’ve spent very little time in the northeast so I didn’t even know that was a thing :) But probably so, heh

  • Blue Bird Vision

    Or Jersey corn!

  • Barbara

    I do understand that. I had some information in my profile about me and I edited out and left only my name. I am not sure what to call them but they are “suggested” comments for a profile in light grey which should not be there. They do not appear in my profile but it just looked somewhat strange and these comments have been made regarding the same comments appearing on a certain person’s profile…I will try to check with disqus customer service again but when I tried that last night it locked up my computer… that is why I put the question out there…

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    The comments that appear whenever you click on your name on any Disqus.com website have been posted by you and no one else. They are an ongoing record of your own posting history.

    According to Disqus (pronounced “discuss”) , registered users can log into their user profile and “anonymize” their comments.

    Comments can never be deleted by anyone except a moderator.

    You can learn more by visiting the following Disqus help page:

    http://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/466229-removing-and-editing-your-comments

    Hope this helps.

  • Barbara

    Just curious. I do not believe that anyone is hacking your site. It is the only site I follow…But I am wondering about Disque?? I deleted information in my profile and some items show up now in those selections as defaults that are very questionable…? things that would suggest that Disque has an issue…I am a Senior and not into Facebook and such… only have time for your site since I have 7 grandchildren and 3 dogs… time goes by fast. Thanks!

  • Shawna

    I will take your suggestion under consideration.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    You said, “There is someone who is hacking this site and they have put all that stuff on my profile”.

    That is preposterous!. No one has access to your profile except you. Your profile is not accessible to me or anyone else on this or any other website.

    The comment section of this website is served by Disqus.com, the world’s largest commenting system. If you have a problem with your profile, then login to your own Disqus account and edit your profile yourself.

  • Haleybop

    Thanks for the info!

  • LabsRawesome

    LMAO.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I thought so too, but all I was looking for is an answer for why and I was getting none and the other stuff I was reading was just an all out attack on Diamond. Everyone here seems to think fair only applies to them and the way they think, not to people who think contrary to them.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    You keep saying that and inferring I am crazy, but then the evidence shows that you are not reading everything I was writing. I am not; you guys are the one’s who can’t even seem to understand what I am writing and get my meaning from it. I rarely have to dumb down my writing so far as I have here, learn to read and understand the written word, it will serve you well on your life’s path. Don’t just stop reading what someone has written, because you don’t like what they are saying. Trying to make people look stupid is a defense only for those who are incapable of understanding.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I’m not asking you to save the world, I only referred to your comment on all the stuff you do, use the talent you have and make a little more by not doing so much for nothing and try giving even $20,00 dollars a month to adopt a starving child over seas, you may find that even more satisfying then rescuing dogs and find that hanging that child’s picture on your frig more endearing over the years you help him/her.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I have answered this at least once. There is someone who is hacking this site and they have put all that stuff on my profile. I do not put profiles on open forums, it is a dangerous thing security wise to do.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I said I wanted to leave this string and some person was kind enough to answer my question, after the rest of you got me barred. If you stop asking me questions that I have to answer, or be considered rude, I will leave this string and move on.

  • Barbara

    You are right my comment should have been deleted also. The site has deleted several comments but not mine so they just missed it…I could only dash it out. I have used TOTW for my dogs for a long time without any problems even though I am now concerned about the manufacturer. I plan to continue to use TOTW Wetlands which is still rated 5 stars because it still works the best for my dogs and the lower cost helps me since I am a senior citizen.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I claimed nothing, I only questioned some peoples priorities here and asked you to consider helping human life, rather then having everything going toward what you make your money off of. Some of you here have the perfect opportunity to take from the rich and give to the poor and you don’t do it. I only ask you to think about that. Are you so sure that when you reach my age, that you will think your life so worth while, when it is greed you have served and not humanity.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I’m, Obsessed? I simply asked why a dog food I sell has been down graded and got no answers but, “oh, they have had a recall 2 years ago, or this or that and you should not feed it to your dogs. After this whole thing, someone finally replied with the answer that they have replaced meat protein with vegetable protein, but by then you all decided I was attacking one of your own and turned on me to have me barred. I hope you realize that the “offending” posts that was complained about is still up after all this, they removed those posts that were legally chargeable, (and they were posted by the people who were attacking me), and my replies, as of a Sunday reply from Mike that I did read until today have not been removed.
    The only reason I have remained blocked is a private issue between Mike and myself.
    You all should pay more attention to what it said and what you say, the things you say are not only chargeable in a court of law, but you could bring down this web site just because they didn’t remove comments like yours. There are laws on the books that protect both people and business entities and you cross that line everyday here with your attacks on Diamond.

    Whatever you feel about Diamond, take it up in court, not here on someone else’s web site, make your own site and say these things, let’s see how long you last without being sued. You are on thin ice when you present something as fact and not opinion. So, either take Diamond to court and prove what you are saying with fact, or leave this alone. I am not representing Diamond as I have been accused of, I am trying to stop you from destroying peoples livelihood’s, including the destruction of this site. I may not like the fact that a recall from 2 years is trying to be used by some here to destroy a business, but when you use illegal means and statements to do it and put a person that is only trying to help dogs with his site, yes, I have a problem with that.

    The things I have said have been a matter of debate and because they are things that you don’t want to hear, you attack me and twist my words to suit your meaning, not mine. There are still bad things said about me in this string, but those people have had the sense to say it properly and are not actionable. The ones that were, have been deleted. I do often say things that are meant to elicit and show the true nature of a person and I am proud of those who kept their cool. Shawna, though you have crossed the line in labeling me, I am especially proud of you, you kept your cool in general and tried not resort to malicious behavior and I love you for it dear one. You need something, you call on me, if I have it, it’s yours. But, I really do wish that you had taken the time to read my whole posts, instead of stopping when I said something that made you mad. Many of you are trying to shut me up, because I question your motives and sincerity of why you say and do what you do, fine. What you say has no bearing on me, I don’t know anyone of you and I would have to know and care about what you think of me for it to hurt me.

  • sisu

    Congratulations on your new best friend!

    I am the director of a beagle rescue and currently have 5 13″ beagles. I have fed and recommend Farmina N&D, Dr. Tim’s and Victor. Annamaet is also a good brand. I have not fed Annamaet. To me, Farmina N&D is possibly the best food on the market. Their grain inclusive formulas have whole spelt, and whole oats instead of peas, lentils or potatoes. The Farmina N&D Single Animal Protein Wild Cod & Ancestral Grain Recipe is rhe only grain inclusive formula I have been able to feed without having rampant yeasty ears. All of the grain free formulas appear to be excellent but may be a little high in protein for some. The poop is small, firm and dark which tells me most of the food is being digested, not sent out the back end.

    Samples of Farmina N&D can be requested by sending a message with your mailing address, not a public posting, at their Facebook page. I have not read of a dog or cat that did not like the food. Most are reporting quick transitions from a previous brand. My 17 y.o. was an exception. It took her almost 3 weeks to get to consistantly firm stools.

    Farmina N&D and Dr. Tim’s can be purchased at chewy.com. Victor can be purchased through Amazon and wag.com. FWIW, Amazon owns wag.com.

    http://usa.farmina.com/

    https://www.facebook.com/FarminaUSA

    http://drtims.com/

    http://www.midamericapetfood.com/victordogfood/dogfood.html

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi-
    I am guessing that she is referring to pea protein replacing some of the animal protein, And yes, it is made by Diamond who has had their fair share of recalls. Most of them at their South Carolina plant. There is a recall history tab at the top where you could take a look at their history. Check out Victor grain free food. I think it is very similar to Taste of the Wild, but not made by Diamond. That being said, I am a believer of rotating between a couple of brands and protein sources to keep the tummies healthy and also in case of recall or a food being discontinued. Have fun with that pup and post pictures!

  • Haleybop

    I’m not new to the site, but new to asking questions here. So, please forgive me if this has already been asked and answered. I fed both my beagles TOTW. One died at nine due to all forms of cancer, and the other one lived to be 16. I now have another beagle puppy who is about to turn 7 months old. The rescue was feeding her Iams and I switched her to TOTW puppy. I realize the puppy is only four stars but plan on switching her to the high prairie adult when she’s old enough and it’s five stars. Iwas telling my dog trainer today what I was feeding her and she kind of frowned and said TOTW’s protein source was going down. Does that mean the source is coming from China or something or that the pea protein was added? She also said she’d never use anything made by Diamond. So, I have bad OCD and am trying to figure out if I need to switch and to what, lol. Is TOTW a risk because of Diamond’s recalls? Price isn’t a huge factor to me but I’d like to keep around the same range. I pay $23 for a 15lb bag. Thought or suggestions? Thank you!

  • Haleybop

    I’m not new to the site, but new to asking questions here. So, please forgive me if this has already been asked and answered. I fed both my beagles TOTW. One died at nine due to all forms of cancer, and the other one lived to be 16. I now have another beagle puppy who is about to turn 7 months old. The rescue was feeding her Iams and I switched her to TOTW puppy. I realize the puppy is only four stars but plan on switching her to the high prairie adult when she’s old enough and it’s five stars. I was telling my dog trainer today what I was feeding her and she kind of frowned and said TOTW’s protein source was going down. Does that mean the source is coming from China or something or that the pea protein was added? She also said she’d never use anything made by Diamond. So, I have bad OCD and am trying to figure out if I need to switch and to what, lol. Is TOTW a risk because of Diamond’s recalls? Price isn’t a huge factor to me but I’d like to keep around the same range. I pay $23 for a 15lb bag. Thought or suggestions? Thank you!

  • SandyandMila

    I asked when I ordered and Philip of Sport Dog Food answered “FYI — Ultra is not made is a 5#. Sorry.”

  • Crazy4cats

    The GF Ultra does not come in the smaller bags that I can see. I’m guessing it is because many are under the belief that only big working dogs need the higher protein. It’s too bad.

  • Dori

    Please check out Amazon. I know they carry the 15 and 5 lb bags, I just don’t remember whether the GF Ultra Pro was one of them.

  • Dori

    No thanks needed Shawna. Just speaking the truth and couldn’t keep quiet any longer. People like Rick do a disservice to this site and the people that are trying to help each other out. We take the guardianship of our companion animals serious and are trying to do the best we can. With this site and people like yourself, Mike, HDM and so many others, that’s exactly what we’re all able to do.

  • Crazy4cats

    I thought you had already made your last reply? Don’t you have to go save the world or something?

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    You would lose, let’s see the color of your money and I will send you all three of my books by mail. They are on Amazon, two are published under my name, the other is not, but amazon has one of them listed under my real name. I sold some with my actual signature and they have a much higher value because of it.
    Someone who I considered a friend from the net must have decided to cash in on it. I never lie; it is a pet peeve of mine. I also cannot sleep if I lie makes trouble for me as a business man and also makes enemies for my lack of
    sugarcoating things.

  • LabsRawesome

    You claim to want to feed starving children, and yet you’re wasting all your time on this site bitching about the fact that a once 5 star food has dropped in it’s rating. You need mental help.

  • Shawna

    THANK YOU Dori!! :) You are such a sweetheart! Do know, haters like Rick don’t bother me. Usually doesn’t take long for people to see them for what they are.. ;)

  • LabsRawesome

    No, He lives in Gotham City, he is a superhero, Batman.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    Believe what you will, I am as much a complete stranger as they are, everyone has to believe what they need to, in order to live their life. Reality is not the same truth to everyone; we all make up our own. I thought like her as a young one, so I did nothing too. Now I realize that if not for greed, I could have singularly saved near 4 people from starvation for under the price of one lunch a week. Anyone of these kids by now could have affected a whole nation of starving children and saved hundreds and even thousands of starving children. We are not alone, in
    this world, simply because of an ocean. Take the gifts you have and make the money you have count. This problem goes away when people don’t stop at that’s what the government will allow me to write off. If everyone who thought the same way that I did then just saved one child, starvation would not exist in this world today. One day of hunger a week for us, could save millions of children. Take care of your own back yard, but remember, sometimes we have to cut our neighbors lawn, because they are hurting. I would
    really like to stop commenting here, you will not listen any more than I did; greed is a hard thing to overcome. We will never end starvation in this world, because first we must eliminate greed. I will not be rude and not answer replies that need answering; I was not brought up that way. So please stop replying to
    me and no offence, but I will not give anyone here a private place to respond to me, it is not safe.

  • LabsRawesome

    Wow! That was fast. I call my order in to the pet store on Wednesday and pick it up on Friday. :)

  • aquariangt

    Smells like bs to me. You’re trolling as you’ve been doing from the start, and everything you just posted is fake, I’d wager on it.

    Do you work for diamond?

  • SandyandMila

    I ordered both on a Friday and it arrived at my door on Saturday, pretty cool. I’m still finishing my 2 bags and found a store locally that sells Nature’s Logic I can rotate to next. :)

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I am a published author and I do not quote bible scripture ever. I do not consider myself a Christian, fact
    is, I am a Spiritualist, about as far from a Christian as you can get. I have spent my life, from my teens, till now, studying religion and found my own way. Do not take my quotes and give them to anyone not even a book that is as well constructed as the Bible. I have published 3 books and have as many as 4 books that are in the planning stage inside my head. I will not tell anyone here the names of
    these books, for you have a script kitty on this site, hence, the reason for the crap on my profile here. I do not ever fill out on line profiles; I don’t give out any information to open forms, because of script kitties who fancy themselves hackers. I have had to burn my share of computers up,
    because of these people and I don’t like doing it, it pisses off the real
    hackers. I have had to remove my
    computers from hit lists in the past, placed there by these malicious little
    script kitties and it only makes it harder to do when I burn computers, but I will if I catch you inside my computer, (fair warning sir, I know who you are, remove the crap from my profile here and we will call it good, there will be no further warnings, your computer goes next time.)
    You all assume too much about me and I hate the fact that you are trying to destroy a company that has 4 manufacturing plants around the U.S. and have literally hundreds of families counting on them for a pay check.
    You act as if the company did this on purpose and want to do it again. No business wants to hurt your
    animals, (and you call me crazy). I am not the only one here that is not what I appear to be, why are you still, (after 2 years), even on this crusade? I have always told my children and my wife, suspect motive and your motives, (as a group), are highly suspect.

  • SandyandMila

    I asked them about the 5lb bags for the GF Ultra Pro but they don’t carry it. I also rotate through smaller bags. They do have 5lb bags in the Yukon and Active Formulas, I bought both and samples of Ultra Pro and coconut oil and got $10 off for my first order. $25 for all that is not bad at all.

  • Dori

    Shawna. Amazon with Prime delivery carries some Victors 15 and 5 lb bags. Not sure which your looking for.

  • Dori

    I was trying to say that it’s been difficult listening to Rick malign Shawna, of all people. She is so knowledgeable and never once has she refused to help us less knowledgeable. She has such a wealth of information and always willing to share. She’s one of the posters on this site that have made the biggest difference in my dogs health and well being. She’s the reason I switched to raw feeding last year.

  • Dori

    Mike,
    I’m so glad you responded to Rick in the manner which you did. I’ve been biting my tongue to not sound offensive but I was beginning to lose the fight. Thought my head was going to explode at his remarks and his so little knowledge of the most loving loyal creatures. I feel he saw the amount of money care and concern of dog lovers and decided to ” get his share”. Could be the reason he’s having difficulty with the business he’s in. Anyway, thanks so much for your post to him.

    It’s also been listening to him malign Shawna of all people. She is one of the kindest, generous knowledgeable people on all things dog.

  • Crazy4cats

    Yes, definitely call them first. I have the same situation. One store about 25 miles away that carries it. She doesn’t have any of the grain free in stock. I always have to call and special order it. Good luck!

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Barbara,

    My local retailer sells Victor for the same price that Labs does. When you call them, I bet you find your brick & mortar price similar to ours. Let us know!

  • Barbara

    Thanks Labs, There is a feed store about 30 miles away shown on the site, I don’t think that their price will meet the price you get. Amazon has Victor Ultra for $59.95 and Sportdogfood’s is $58.95 so you have a great price at your local feed store. I wish they had one with duck and I would drive 30 miles but I can at least call them to check what they carry. Thanks!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Rick,

    I’m sorry you believe our minor half-star downward adjustment of our rating of this product means “this site is following the money, not the dogs”. For that is simply not true and an entirely unfair critique of this review or the hard work we put in to maintaining this website.

    When it comes to value based dog foods, I’ve always been a big fan of Taste of the Wild. And I still like this product a lot (as you can clearly see by this review).

    However, this TOTW recipe isn’t the same one it used to be. Based upon our more recent analysis of this label and compared to its earlier recipe, peas and pea protein are now used to replace at least some of the meat protein that was once used to make the previous version of this recipe.

    By the way, most of us true dog lovers could never accept advice from someone who thinks of a dog as an “unthinking, unreasoning creature that could care less whether it is alive or dead”.

    Are you kidding me? Did you really say that?

    I wonder what your dog food clients would think if they knew they were buying dog food from someone who thinks so little of their beloved pets.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Freeze it : ) Or seal in ziplocs. The food is awesome. I can’t say enough about the ultra pro and what great luck I have had with it with every dog that has eaten it.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Barbara, I don’t know if you’ve ever checked Victor’s site for stores in your area. If you can get it locally it’s usually a pretty good deal. I pay $38.99 for a 30lb bag of Ultra Professional. If you haven’t already, check the store locator here. Just click on “Find a dealer” victordogfood.com

  • LabsRawesome

    The grain free Yukon River and Grain Free Active Dog and Puppy also come in 15lb bags. And 5lb too. Check here. http://www.sportdogfood.com/
    Free shipping on all orders over $35, and they have a
    $10 off coupon for your first order. Most of the grain inclusive
    formulas are available in 5lb and 20lb bags too.

  • Shawna

    I want my cake and to eat it too :).. Fifteen pound or smaller bag AND 42% protein. I know, I’m a pain in the butt!!! :) I really like the looks of the buffalo but sure wish it was more than 27%..

  • Barbara

    Thank goodness the recent comments subsided on TOTW (which I was a part of so that didn’t help…) I finally got back to 2 months ago in the comments to actually read about info on TOTW. I feel guilty feeding 2 out of my 3 dogs TOTW Wetlands only because it is made by Diamond…I did not realize that when I started using it. They have been great on it…must be the right amount of protein, fat and carbs for them…and they love it! Must be the duck. I found Caster and Pollux grain free in duck and will probably try it because of my guilt about feeding TOTW. On Amazon Victor’s is $57 to $60 for 30# for the ones I might try and neither has Duck. TOTW is $45 on Chewy. I tried to transition them to Nutrisca Potato and grain free and Earthborn Primitive Natural but with bad results. I am happy that my 13 year old Border Collie can eat them. He really likes the Nutrisca and they both are small kibble compared to TOTW. So I can only hope (for the time being) that even a company like Diamond will be more responsible and want to improve their bad reputation.

  • LabsRawesome

    The grain free also comes in 15lb bags. And 5lb too.

  • Shawna

    Bummed!!! I would totally use this food but like aquariangt I would need 15 pound bags or smaller.. :( Hopefully they are working on that!!!

  • LabsRawesome

    The grain free comes in 30lb bags.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi aquariangt, you can buy Victor online here. http://www.sportdogfood.com/ Free shipping on all orders over $35, and they have a $10 off coupon for your first order.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Shawna, you can buy victor here. http://www.sportdogfood.com/ Also Rocketpets and Amazon.com If you’re interested keep checking Victor’s site, their adding new stores all the time. Free shipping on all orders over $35, and they have a $10 off coupon for your first order. (sportdog)

  • Bobby dog

    Hi:
    Try the dealer locator on Victor’s website:
    http://www.midamericapetfood.com/victordogfood/index.html

    And try Sportdogfood.com:
    http://www.sportdogfood.com/#

  • aquariangt

    I found that too after I didn’t read below at C4C’s comment. I buy 15 lb or less bags for the most part since I change so often. Occasionally a 26 lber, but I don’t know if I want a 40 lb bag.

  • Shawna

    Amazon does have the large bags and I saw another with the large bags and free shipping (can’t remember name now though). Didn’t find even one that sells smaller bags.

  • Shawna

    I looked at a few Amazon pages but not all. Just looked at every page that pulled up and they were all large bags??

  • aquariangt

    I’ve heard great things but nothing near me has it either-does anyone know who carries it online? I checked chewy, wag, petflow (I think, maybe I didn’t) and didn’t see any of them carrying victor

  • Crazy4cats

    Did you try Amazon?

  • Shawna

    I’ve looked this food up after seeing you discuss it before and can’t get it locally. And can’t find any place to buy a small bag online (30 or 60 pounds but not smaller). :(

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I called no one a dog food snob, I was saying that the people around here would. Please read my final reply to Shawna, I’m done with this site now.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    Do I remind you of someone else dear one, read above and be well.

  • LabsRawesome

    Rick thinks he is a superhero, from Gotham City. He thinks he’s Batman. Check his profile!! (click on his name) Can you say DELUSIONAL???

  • aquariangt

    I don’t even know how to respond to that. I applaud Shawna for the work she’s done. Everyone has their thing-be it people, animals, the earth, etc… it’s not really for you to judge. If you donate and support the homeless, the hungry, and such-good for you! I truly appreciate all that you do if that’s the case, but coming on a dog food site to preach about how people shouldn’t be spending what they do on their pets isn’t going to get you far, and from the Bible I’ve read, that kind of judgmental tone certainly isn’t the way God would want you to act, in my opinion, and doesn’t display your faith in a positive way.

    I don’t have children. I’m lucky enough to have a good job (for my age at least) and by no stretch consider myself “rich”-I still have student loans, car payment, mortgage. But I do what I can for my dogs and cat, because they’re important to me. When I speak of animal nutrition with people at work, I don’t command them to switch what they feed, I give them the information, make suggestions based on their BUDGET-which sounded important to you, what I consider a budget for dog food, and what others do is not always the same- and let them make their own decisions.

    You’ve made an interesting career choice if your above statement is honestly how you feel

  • LabsRawesome

    OMG Rick, you need mental help, seriously. Please move on to a different site.

  • Shawna

    Interesting post Rick!

    I actually do give information on human nutrition, still for free, on a pretty regular basis. My father is a Naturopath with an emphasis on nutrition and I learned a great deal from him. I can assure you it is easier to change someones habit with their pets then with themselves but that is for another discussion.

    Saving the world is not within my means and therefore I am happy doing what I can how I can. Sorry it is not good enough for you!!

  • Crazy4cats

    Rick-
    While I agree with your belief that animals are not on the same level as humans, that’s where it ends for me. I believe this is a personal attack on a very caring and thoughtful person who is kind to both humans and animals. I have flagged your comment.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    This is my final reply. I am not what I appear to be. I am not this person you see in the diatribe that I wrote and you replied to with your own worthless diatribe. Yes, I have done these things but you know why I have done them, to try to fit into a world that worships money as a god. There is only one reason to make money and that is to help humanity, not creatures that don’t even understand what life is, much less death. There is only one animal on the face of this earth that has the capacity to reason and that is the human being, the marring of the Human animal and the spiritual Being and most of you here are worrying and spending your hard earned money on making an unthinking, unreasoning creature that could careless whether it is alive or dead making them your life’s work. My God, Shawna, you give away your life for these creatures and brag about how many lives you have saved in your rescue work, yet in reality, you have saved nothing. You have saved no souls with your money and placate your need to justify this in your own mind. My dear, if I had half of your ability to make money off of those who wish to spend it, I would be out there saving souls, not life that doesn’t even know that it’s life. There are people dying of starvation, yet your biggest accomplishment is that you are saving animals and you know how important it is to feed them protein.
    There are a lot of superficial people out their that just want to give you their money, so that you can put it to good use, take it any way you can that is in a righteous manner and help those that can make a real difference in this world, children. Use your gift to stop hunger and death in this world of the human kind. When I stand before my God, I will tell him this simple statement. “I will not excuse the bad things I have done by listing the good things I have done. I can only hope that I left your earth a better place for being there. Forgive me if I have not.”
    Here is what I tell my customers, If you are happy with your dogs behavior and his health is good, why change food. If you want to make sure he is getting a good food that will help him live a better and even longer life, look for a food that has 1.no yellow corn in it, 2. Is a grain free food and 3rd, has meat as it’s first ingredient. And 4th and most important watch him for changes in energy as he gets older, then start considering his protein levels. The most important thing to consider is, don’t put yourself in the poor house for a dog. This is honestly how I feel, focus on the children, they will make the changes happen when these things get to the worlds priorities when the world stops the starvation of Human Beings. Money drives us to do stupid things to justify our lives and I am no different. I say this in shame, but I know if I had it, I would focus every thing I could to help stop the slaughter of the worlds greatest asset. Our children!
    I know, I’m just a unimportant human being, who is trying to manipulate a system and don’t need to be listened to because I believe in a force bigger then myself and that we are here to make this world better for human beings first and for most. But, the needs of the many, are more important then the needs of the few, or the one.
    Please, everyone who has been reading along, see this world for what it is, don’t follow Walt Disney into his allusion of animals being humans, it only served to make a lot of people rich and still the children die.

  • Shawna

    Sorry, to clarify — by day (32 hours a week) I am a bookkeeper / office staff at a small IT company. That’s how I help pay the family bills. And I watch my 3 and 4 year old grand babies for two hours after work each evening before their mom gets off work. I do the classes, including the paid ones, for me on the side.

  • Shawna

    I’d rather be in Colorado!!! My folks just moved up into the mountains east of Grand Junction. JEALOUS!! :) Hubby’s family is in Nebraska though so I’ll probably be here for life.. Sure do miss the mountains. As a child I spent a short time in Wyoming and then a few years in Idaho but back to Colorado for middle school and senior years. Also lived in Sterling for a few years after school before going to Junction. After Junction spent just over a year between far north Illinois and far south Wisconsin and then to Nebraska where I’ve been ever since.

    I see where you are…..had to check the map though :).. Midwest is the best!! :) Course I’ve never been anywhere but the Midwest sooooo…. :)

  • Shawna

    Awwww Thanks Bobby dog. You are right, I didn’t think about adding the fostering and working with rescue. Thanks for thinking of that!!!!! And you’re right, at least half of my dogs have been special needs. And the rest mostly puppies – most don’t like taking the puppies cause of the extra work. I THRIVE on taking the puppies. Gimme gimme gimme :)

  • Bobby dog

    Shawna:
    I would also like to mention your work with fostering dogs, most of your fosters seem to have special needs. It is wonderful that you do this because finding good foster homes are difficult enough not to mention finding one for a dog with special needs!! Kudos to you!

  • aquariangt

    Shawna-I’m midwest (northern-mn/wi) born but have been in colorado for 13 years-up north here, in Berthoud

  • Shawna

    :-) I grew up on a farm in Colorado and I have lived in Nebraska for the last 20 plus years.

    I’m paid because I know the info. I was a consumer at the store. I have a big mouth (as everyone here knows) and I impressed the owner. Actually, quite a few opportunities have come my way because I already knew a lot of the info and I have a big mouth.

    I also do LOTS of FREE classes as well as email and one on one consults (regarding diet, kidney disease, cancer and so on). In fact, I give far more free classes/consults than those I am paid for. Some of the folks I do consults with have given me gifts (like cash, Trader Joes gift card etc) but I NEVER ask for payment. It’s a passion and in my opinion the right thing to do. I truly believe in karma.

    I also am now the leader of a local group of dog lovers/rescuers wanting a more holistic and healthful lifestyle for their dogs. Anyone is welcome and it is free. We get together to discuss diet, heartworm and flea/tick, cancer etc. We have a topic of discussion but the discussion is allowed to go where ever it goes.

    I’ve been on this site for 3 or 4 years on an almost daily basis. Before that I was on Dr. Becker’s Forum for a few years on a daily basis. And before that on Yahoo forums like the Do More for Dogs One I mentioned.

    For the record — my best friend I met through my classes. The first diet she switched to was Taste of the Wild (a decision recommended by me due to her circumstances and needs). Jump forward many years and she now feeds a variety of kibbles as well as freeze dried raw and raw. If she was still only able to do TotW (or even if she was only able to do Pure Balance) I would love and support her all I could.

    You can judge me and call me names all you want but you don’t know me at all.

  • aquariangt

    and how is any of this in relation to your complaint about TotW lower rating? I grew up in Minnesota, and have family in the upper midwest, and while what you say may be true, it doesn’t apply to TotW, which is by no means a budget food

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I do know what you do and it is not the same thing. You know more about nutrition for dogs etc…, but you are paid to know this by someone who was smart enough and that is obviously in the position of having a big store, in a big city. I am a one man show in the heart land of America that not only has 3 super Wal-Marts, two Targets, two Menards, and two Sams clubs, one or two K-Marts, a Pet Smart, a Pet co and several independents and me a feed store that has for 29 years counted on Bird seed and those type of products for the bulk of it’s sales, dog food was an after thought until I took over about three years ago and have fought the bird watching people that think a place this far north should be able to support a seasonal business all by it’s self. So don’t ever think our situations are the same. This is farm area up here and you just don’t have the slightest idea of how these people think. I see crap dog food being bought by the farmers by the cart loads and you try to tell them any different and they will push you out of the way and laugh and say, “you don’t know nothing”. It is said that the people in this area are behind the rest of the country by 10 years, I will tell you it is more and it was the thing that drove me to bigger better places where a fist wasn’t the first thing they would throw at you when you disagreed with them. Alcohol is a staple around here and no dog is going to take precedence over their drinking money. I don’t need idealists telling me how it should be, I already know what should be, but I also know what it is and this is the way it is. You want to bury your head in the sand, you will wright off many, many dogs. Maybe I should just give up on the hunting dogs, the farm dogs, the abused dogs and the puppy mills and move to the euphoria you live in, but I’m not the type to let animals suffer with out trying to help. I am also the owner of a pond business, my sister who used to run this store is a rehabilitator and is licensed to rehab raptors and is the only hope for a seriously injured eagle, hawk, or owl inside of 250 miles. We take care of all animals here, not just dogs and cats, most people around here think we’re crazy and think we should just put down hurt and injured animals.
    The DNR in the next state to us thinks that the animals in their state belongs to them and we are not suppose to help them and this is a quote by the head man of the DNR, “If they die, they die.” She had to get a special permit from the U.S. government just to get the right to take Migratory birds and raptors from their state.
    So save your euphoria for those that think the worst thing that happens in this world is a starving dog, we have bigger problems. Oh, and kittens are still considered clay pigeons up here by many.

  • aquariangt

    I’m more in tune with ordering products from wholesalers than you might think. I do all the inventory and ordering for a large catering company, in addition, my part time job as a dog trainer also has a retail store, where we carry limited food-not enough space, just a few lines-where i also assist with ordering since i have a background in it-I’m also the main food consultant for this location, and often recommend a food that we do not carry, and direct them to a store that does. Dog food has the lowest markup of any item in our store. Do i buy from the two big box stores? Yes. Do I buy online? Yes. Do I buy from small pet stores? All the time. I feed enough different foods that I go all over for it.

    However, that entire post you just made means very little about your complaint. There is nothing stopping you from continuing to recommend TotW if you are so inclined to do so (i still won’t use it) but there has been no rule changing. You have been informed multiple times on this thread that DFA has updated their rules in the last few years to put more weight on meat based protein sources, and higher protein in general-which is because they are staying up with the most current and accepted research, and TotW dropped a HALF a star. I don’t believe anyone on this site would tell you they would never feed a 4.5 star food. If you’re going to stop recommending that people use this site, so be it, but arguing about this .5 star rating just seems asinine

  • Shar24

    My cats really love the canned food, but one is really really sensitive so I removed anything with grain among some other things from their diet and he seems to be doing better. I try to feed them minimal dry food but they looooovvveeee the TOTW dry so that is what I have them on now. I rotate. My puppy is young and his stomach is really sensitive to rotation right now so I am going to wait until he is older to do that. Right now he is doing really well on Wellness Core Puppy so thats what Im gonna keep him on for awhile. We just got him stabilized on that

  • Shar24

    Chicken Soup for the Soul cat food isn’t grain free either.

  • Barbara

    I also believe you are obsessed with the 5 Star ratings on this site and with TOTW. My dogs did fine on TOTW wetlands and I needed to put my lab back on it because she can’t handle transitioning even slowly. You don’t seem to be concerned about the manufacturer Diamond. They were extremely slow in their recalls 2 years ago and many people are concerned of any further problems with a company that only thinks about the $

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I don’t push dog foods, but I do buy from one source and I’m sure you don’t know that most wholesalers have a minimum order you must make to even get it delivered. So, if you want two different dog foods, from two different places, I have to be able to pay for all that food, they don’t just say here, pay us when you can. It is my money that pays for all these bags of food and dog food has a very small mark up of 25 to 30%, where most wares have a 100% and more. This market is not about making big money, it is a very conservative way to make money and you have to really love doing what you do to stay in it. I am a college grad, with a degree in business, do you really think I’m owner of a dog food store for the money? I am an animal person, domestic and wild, just trying to do my part and keep the big box stores from taking over the market. I fight 2 major box stores here and we “mom and pops” are losing, then just watch the way things go once the box stores have no completion. This is why I am concerned about web sites that change the rules of the game, they are helping the big box stores make fools out of the little guys who just want to make things better then when they started.;

  • Storm’s Mom

    I think you’re referring to the cat formula when you say that Chicken Soup for the Cat/Dog Lover’s Soul was/is grain-free (although the link below indicates otherwise), but just wanted to clarify that the dog formulas (dry and canned) are NOT grain-free (perhaps they were in the past, as you wrote “they were grain free before most foods..”?)

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/chicken-soup-dog-lovers-soul-dry/

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/chicken-soup-dog-lovers-soul-canned/

    It doesn’t even look like it is for cats…?

    http://www.chickensoup.com/product/34809/adult-cat-dry-food-sizes-5-lb-and-15-lb

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I agree with annoying, but CS was and still is a good food, but I fear they are pricing themselves out of the market and I have mentioned this to my supplier more then once. It is one of those foods that dogs and cats will either love, or hate, but most love it. I can’t help but continue to carry it, they were grain free before most foods ever even thought about it, I have to give them kudos for that. I knew someone once that said she would feed it forever to her cat, because it cut down drastically on the cat box smell.

  • LabsRawesome

    I wouldn’t call anyone on this site a dog food snob. Everyone knows some people can only afford so much. You are too obsessed with 5 star ratings. There are lots of decent dog foods that are not all that expensive, and are recommended on this site every day. 4health Tractor Supply grain free 3.5 star $22 for an 18lb bag. Rachael Ray Zero Grain Walmart4 star $22 for a 15lb bag. Victor grain free 5 star $22 for a 20lb bag Local pet store. Whole Earth Farms 4 star $23 18lb bag Petco. Fromm’s Classic 4star $20 for a 18lb bag. Local pet store. I could go on, but I don’t think you really care because you seem obsessed with TOTW. No matter how much you complain about Dr. Mike’s rating system, and threaten not to refer people to this site, Dr. Mike is not going to change his rating system to please you. As I’ve said before I think the rating system used on this site is fair.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I carry raw and would love it if everyone used it in even the smallest amount, but in a dream world I would love if they fed straight raw, with maybe a little kibble once a week to help clear out their digestive tract. Would I feed it to my own dog if I could afford it and I had one, in a Ney York minute. I know I write long notes and some people skim rather then read, but you should never do that with me, you will lose a lot of what I am trying to say.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I have acknowledged that higher protein is called for in dogs and cats, but you are not reading what I’m saying. There are a lot of people out there, dog owners that are happy feeding dogs 2 star food and if we just continue trying to get them to pay higher and higher prices, we lose them and any chance of them ever converting to better food. Trouble is, people have very little or no place to compare the price of the top self to the bottom self, all they are concerned with is price. They will not “waste” their time looking and researching to find this stuff out and no web site can give you current prices on dog food in your stores around you to compare with. Wal-Mart carries what sells and makes them the fastest buck, but if most people could go to a store and see that they could get a better food, for only a buck or two more and they would actually use less food, they just might upgrade their dog food, maybe sooner or later you can get them up to the protein they should be feeding. Web site’s like this are not helping us by changing the statistics in mid stream by dropping the ratings on things, because of what is now recognized as being a lower protein then it was when it first came out. I would rather have a thousand dogs on TotW, because they can afford it. Then have 500 dogs on the best food out there, and 500 dogs on any 2 star dog food out there. I’m not saying you are wrong in feeding your dogs what you so obviously can afford to do the right thing for, but why must this site make it so hard for those of us that are just trying to make one dogs life improve, even if it is baby steps to get them there? Your leaving the vast majority of dogs behind in your fervor to get everybody feeding their dog, ( in the way they see it), eating better then they do. Stop working the few and start working for the whole.
    Around here the majority of dog owners would consider you and many others here on this web site as dog food snobs. You wouldn’t reach more then a handful of people here, I have to look at the big picture.

  • Shawna

    Colorado peaches!!! BEST ever!!!! Been away a long time but Colorado is home!! Lived on both ends east (Wray), west (Grand Junction) and in the middle (Denver). My heart will always be in Colorado!!

  • aquariangt

    This will go for anyone who sees food from where they’re from. If I come to Minnesota (which I do often) and look at your lamb (where I’m from now-colorado) or your peaches, or anything else that’s from the state I’m living, I’d probably say the same

  • aquariangt

    Interesting that you say that, maybe poke around the site more? There are 5 star foods cheaper than TotW, and an entire section devoted to budget friendly dog foods. I don’t understand what’s made you so upset by the .5 star change to this food. Have you been pushing it that hard that this change will collapse your business?

  • LabsRawesome

    # I know that’s right!!!!

  • Shawna

    You seem to forget Rick that I do the same “job” you do and you obviously don’t know me AT ALL..

    Best of luck to you!!

    Edit — sorry, had to—–food “allergies” are actually quite rare. Food intolerances (or sensitivities) are far more common and foods with “lectin proteins” like grains (esp gluten grains), potato, legumes and such are the normal culprits. Every time you post, your lack of knowledge is more evident. Rather than blame others maybe you should consider what they might be able to teach you which could in turn help those who come to you for help. Just a thought.

  • Shar24

    That is annoying. Luckilyold label Adult cat formula kicking around my pantry somewhere, but that is not one with the name change. I am guessing the “Hairball” formula that was changed to “Indoor” and Light was changed to weight and senior care or something like that are the ones to look at. I stopped feeding that brand awhile ago, so I probably don’t care enough to look into it more, but your comment definitely piqued my interest and I really appreciate the heads up and the info :)

  • Shawna

    I posted below but thought of something else… KIBBLE is seriously inappropriate for a dog with kidney disease, even in the early stages before symptoms are noticed, as the protein in the kibble is not as bioavailable as that from raw or home cooked. Proteins with lower bioavailablity increase the BUN without providing as many benefits needed from the protein.

  • Shawna

    PS — here’s a pic of my toy breed dogs. Peanut on the far left is 5 pounds. Cleo is next to her and is 7 pounds. Then Cloee who I mentioned in another post is now 18 years old and 4 pounds (this pic was taken 4 or 5 years ago). Next is Gizmo who is also 5 pounds. Audrey is next and is the one born with kidney disease that will be 8 next month and is 9 pounds. Next to Audrey is Peachy who passed away two years ago. Peachy had been fed human fast food (like Taco John and McDonalds) for the first five years of her life and came to us with issues.. :(

    Of the five remaining, all are fed a HIGH protein raw diet since coming to us (anywhere from about 6 to 9 1/2 years on the high protein diet).

  • Shawna

    Sorry but that is wrong again. They have known for over 20 years now that, in canines and felines, protein does not damage the kidneys. (Edit – the original research suggesting protein should be restricted was done on rats not dogs or cats.) Not only does it not damage the healthy kidney but it also doesn’t cause further damage to an already damaged kidney. In fact, they know that for a healthy dog high protein is beneficial to the kidneys and that dogs with kd that had protein lowered inappropriately had higher all cause mortality.

    Some science on the subject.
    “Mythology of Protein Restriction for Dogs with Reduced Renal Function.
    Kenneth C. Bovée, DVM, MMedSc
    Department of Clinical Studies School of Veterinary Medicine University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, Pennsylvania” http://www.dogaware.com/files/bovee.pdf

    “–dietary protein does not cause renal failure

    –dietary protein does not appear to be involved in the progression of chronic renal failure

    –inappropriate restriction of dietary protein may actually have an adverse effect on the normal or compromised kidney” http://web.archive.org/web/20010308065032/http://www.jivaonline.com/html/dietary_management_of_clinical.html

    “These results do not support the hypothesis that high protein feeding
    had a significant adverse effect on either renal function of morphology
    in dogs with 75% nephrectomy.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3702209

    Above research also discussed in the Kidney Internationals journal. http://www.nature.com/ki/journal/v29/n2/abs/ki198629a.html

    The dog in my avatar has had kidney disease since birth (symptoms first noticed at six weeks of age). I have fed her a high protein raw diet since coming to me at nine weeks old. She will be eight years old the end of next month and is still doing well.

    As a store owner, I think it is your duty to know this stuff…

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    Oh, and did you also ask them about their receiving of the meat, was it frozen when it came in and do they do any testing of the meat to see that it is suitable for use? I have a friend in Alaska, I live in Minnesota. He told us how he laughs every time they go to grocery store in the lower 48, every time he goes past the Salmon in frozen foods. He said it never fails to make him laugh the quality of the salmon they sell for human consumption. He told us that the class of salmon we get down here is stuff they feed to their dogs, In his words, “That stuff is the nastiest salmon we have up there, we would never even think of eating that crap”. I can’t believe anyone would not realize that it is not only the USDA that can test meat for bacteria etc…, the tests are very simple and can be done by anyone, yes even a dog food maker.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    Protein, what I know. The average daily amount for the average human is suppose to be 50 grams a day. This is admittedly a best guess. Over time, too much protein can and will damage your kidney’s to the point of no return. If you have kidney trouble in the first place, too much protein will take you down real fast. Dogs are not able to tell you when kidney problems and symptoms of it start. When TotW first came out, the vast majority of the dog world was saying the protein was dangerously high and should not be used. Now they say that it should be even much higher and that has only been in less then a year. So we are to believe that a less then 3# toy that spends it’s life being carried around in a purse all day should be getting the same amount of protein as a 100# working dog who spends his day herding cattle? No one see’s the danger in this? I’m not saying don’t feed your dog these new higher protein foods, I’m just saying if your going to experiment on a live creature, maybe you should pay the attention a researcher would spend on them, not your average dog owner. Put the bar back where it was and study the new higher levels before we just start telling everyone that this is just simply a better dog food and if we cared about our dogs, we would be feeding these to them. Every dog is different, it is up to us to find the right food for our dogs life style, not just give them the latest fad out there, so you can say “I feed my dog the best dog food out there”. This is not the time for ego trips people, our best friends are counting on you.

  • Jim McCarthy

    AVOID Taste of the Wild! I called them and found out they source some of their ingredients from China! NO thank you..especially since China ingredients have killed/permanetly injured hundreds/thousands of dogs.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I do not dispute that dogs need high protein, but we don’t even know for sure what is high enough and or too high in humans. Behavior is the only way the average person can tell where the dog is happy and healthy. The only other real indicator is reactions. Most allergic reactions are due to food allergies and any good dog food provider can tell you what to eliminate from a dogs diet. I’d say talk to your vet, but that doesn’t always ring true, some vet’s seem to like having the steady income from ear infections coming in. You are preaching to the choir with me my friend, but tell this stuff to the general public who is just getting by, but just have to have pets around them. I see many dogs come in that are old and gray and hardly moving, when I say something like, “oh, we got an old man here”, and they reply, “yes, he’s eight , but he’s not going to be around much longer”. I can tell you his life story without even talking to the owner. He’s been fed human food all his life and the cheapest food , first ingredient listed, yellow corn. He gets little to no exercise and at best his vet calls him healthy, but he could lose a little weight. Reality is not pretty when it comes to a dogs life, but these owners will never convert. It breaks my heart seeing this, but I have to admit, I had my days when I should not have been a dog owner and I had to resort to feeding them anything I could afford at the time. Stay up there where you are, keep making it harder for those of us in the trenches to perhaps someday sway these people to better dog foods. Keep changing the stats to let these people know that no matter how much they spend, they can never spend enough, because you will just set the bar higher and say, “if you really loved your dog, you would feed him this”. Bulling people into conformity has worked so well in the past, hasn’t it. There is a point that you are going to lose these people, stop making it harder for me to do my job.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    Not all have changed, but some that were renamed, are not the same levels any more. Trouble is, you have to have old packages to compare with.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    Protein, what I know. The average daily amount for the average human is suppose to be 50 grams a day. This is admittedly a best guess. Over time, too much protein can and will damage your kidney’s to the point of no return. If you have kidney trouble in the first place, too much protein will take you down real fast. Dogs are not able to tell you when kidney problems and symptoms of it start. When TotW first came out, the vast majority of the dog world was saying the protein was dangerously high and should not be used. Now they say that it should be even much higher and that has only been in less then a year. So we are to believe that a less then 3# toy that spends it’s life being carried around in a purse all day should be getting the same amount of protein as a 100# working dog who spends his day herding cattle? No one see’s the danger in this? I’m not saying don’t feed your dog these new higher protein foods, I’m just saying if your going to experiment on a live creature, maybe you should pay the attention a researcher would spend on them, not your average dog owner. Put the bar back where it was and study the new higher levels before we just start telling everyone that this is just simply a better dog food and if we cared about our dogs, we would be feeding these to them. Every dog is different, it is up to us to find the right food for our dogs life style, not just give them the latest fad out there, so you can say “I feed my dog the best dog food out there”. This is not the time for ego trips people, our best friends are counting on you.

  • Barbara

    Thank you for the information. I was a little concerned about the person’s comment I replied to and did not research choline chloride itself…. just noticed it was in several good dog foods. I will not worry about it further. Thanks!

  • losul

    choline is a necessary vitamin like nutrient and is often added to dog foods. It might help chickens grow, especially if their diets are deficient, but the reason they add it to dog food is because choline might be deficient without it. Things like eggs, liver, chicken, cauliflower, broccoli naturally have high amounts. Also soy lecithin

  • Shawna

    There actually is ample data on high protein diets for the average dog. Even for the overweight dog. Two different Journal of Nutrition studies discuss it.

    “High-Protein Low-Carbohydrate Diets Enhance Weight Loss in Dogs1,2″

    The dogs in this diet were fed 52% protein. http://nutrition.highwire.org/content/134/8/2087S.full

    “Weight Loss in Obese Dogs: Evaluation of a High-Protein, Low-Carbohydrate Diet” http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/6/1685S.full

    I currently have 8 toy and small breed dogs in my home. Five of them eat primarily a raw diet ranging in protein between 45 and 54%. The other three get high protein kibbles (like Orijen) with canned and raw toppers. My Chihuahua is 18 years old, not particularly active as she damaged her eyes and is now blind and eats more food than ever before. They have recently discovered that senior dogs, often less active, need more protein than adult dogs.

    Most dogs are very tolerant of high protein foods. However starting a high protein food can cause diarrhea as it can increase the glutathione antioxidant from the extra available amino acids. Glutathione is the master antioxidant of the body and is involved in phase 2 detoxification.

    Carbohydrates are actually not even required in a dog’s diet. Lots of info can be found on this topic but the most reliable data I am aware of is from Waltham’s Essential Cat and Dog Nutrition. On page 28 they state “Cats and dogs can sythesise their own blood glucose from amino acids. Carbohydrate, therefore is not an essential macronutrient.” http://www.waltham.com/dyn/_assets/_pdfs/waltham-booklets/Essentialcatanddognutritionbookletelectronicversion.pdf

    In fact, the AAFCO has no minimum requirement for carbohydrates. A diet can be complete and balanced with zero added carbs. Some canned foods fit this category.

  • aquariangt

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/rate-dog-food/

    they indeed do weight the protein content higher when it comes from meat. the 4.5 rating seems to be in line with this faq

  • Crazy4cats

    If I remember correctly, Dr. Mike was going to take into consideration how much protein was due to non meat ingredients, such as peas, in his new rating system. Maybe that is why they changed?

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I lost the second one, but it’s back. My point is more that they dropped these ratings because of new protein stats, not for a fault on the food. It was with in the old stadards of a 5 star food, until these stadards were changed. I don’t agree with them changing the old scale, just creating a new scale so that people will know that the new foods are higher in protein and is new science, that may or may not be good for your dog, it depend too much on you having an active dog and could turn out to be bad for your particular dogs life stile. Think about this, they suggest most inactive people need 50% protein in there deit and they are going well over 30% protein with dogs now.

  • Shar24

    I knew Chicken Soup changed their packaging and sizes but I wasn’t aware that they changed their formula too. I will have to check that out

  • Barbara

    I agree with LabsRawesome. The amount of protein is what they believe is most important in the ratings. My dogs love TOTW Wetlands which is 5 stars and I tried to switch them because of Diamonds bad reputation but they are back on TOTW wetlands because it is not too high in protein but high enough to be a 5 star I am guessing 35 to 37% based on dry matter. 2 of my 3 dogs can’t handle a higher protein the 2 I tired were only about 6% higher so I

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    Now that is the only coherent arguement you have given me and is the only recent thing that has changed in the world of dogs. When it first came out, TotW was on the high end of protein, but just recently there is some talk and maybe even evidence that dogs need a higher protein in their diets. I don’t dissagree with this, but I have yet to hear that the majority of our house dogs need this high of protein. Working dogs, most definately, but the jury is still out on the lazy dogs in apartments and lazy humans that don’t get them out like they should? This could cause more trouble for them then it is worth. Are we not on a whole nother scale here now? Everyone is jumping on this wagon, when no practical experience, or research has been done. You give a person speed and they will preform much faster, they take too much and their heart will give out on them. I believe one of my first commets had to do with food killing our dogs. There are things that are quite exciting on the dog front these days, raw meat and other such things. But rushing right in , is that what is best for us to do, turn our best friends in to
    Guiney pigs? New disscoveries are good, but what if they are wrong? Start a different scale for these super formulas, so everyone knows that their dogs are being used for Guiney pigs. Right now there are formulas being changed on dog food with out notice, Chicken Soup for instance and no notice on the bags of the change, so customers don’t even know that the protein is higher. There is no need to change dog foods if it works for your dog, you change when it isn’t working for your dog.

  • Barbara

    I have just taken time to check several dog foods that are highly rated and many of them have ‘choline chloride’… I also am trying to find a dog food with similar ingredients to TOTW Wetlands and have had trouble switching with my dogs no matter how long I take to transition. They have done great on TOTW but I have only been using it for 5 months. Dr. Tim’s Grain Free (suggested by LabLover) and Castor & Pollux Natural Ultramix Grain-Free Duck (I am going to try) are both about $10 more for the same size as TOTW Wetlands on Chewy but Caster and Pollux has duck which my dogs love…Victor’s (suggested by several) is also $10 more and all 3 have ‘choline chloride’ ….so how bad is this anyway??

  • LabsRawesome

    No, I do not.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Rick, I am seeing 2 post from you to me. As I said before Wetlands and Prairie both still get 5 stars. The other 3 receive 4 stars, which is still good. I wouldn’t worry too much about 4 or 5 stars, both are good. I can’t comment on the Editor’s Choice, I didn’t join that part of the site. I think the rating system Dr. Mike uses is fair, all of the foods are rated based on their ingredient list, and apparent meat content.

  • Shawna

    Curious, do you believe a food with only 25% protein deserves 5 stars?

  • aquariangt

    the first 5 5-Star foods I clicked all have quite a bit higher protein than TotW, including BB. Protein is a major factor in the reviews. Don’t know if this is the total factor, but it’s probably one of them. 31% is on the low end of what a lot of people feed protein wise

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    I’m sorry, but, 5 star is a 5 star, on a scale of 1 to 5, 5 is always the best you can give. Dropping it to 4.5, because there is something better out there should not happen. If it is something they did to make it worse, then you have an arguement, but I have not seen a change. Blue Buffalo is still a 5 star, when TotW was also a 5 star, now suddenly TotW is a 4.5, yet BB is still a 5 star. Sorry, the logic does not hold water, unless they changed it in some way, there is a prejudice against TotW being played. The people that buy TotW from me will not stop, I ‘m not worried about that, but if I can’t count on one 5 star being like another, then again I say this site is of no use to me or anyone. The only difference between one 5 star and another 5 star is their cost. TotW has kept their price down, when everyone else is reaching for the stars, like they say, follow the money. I think this site is following the money, not the dogs any more.

  • Barbara

    It is would be great if the ratings would put any GMO in “red” for those of us that don’t know all of them… I realize that would be a big task!

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    Well, I’ll try to remember the post that I just wrote and posted, only to find it gone, but remebering can be a problem.
    Anything thing is a good rating 3.5 and above, but my problem is in changes that have no real reason. I have been using this site for a reference for a long time and defending it when people said this site had other motives, now I’m seeing it may well have. I paid money to see a list of “Top Choices” by this web site that reaks of this site trying to drive the dog food market while promoting dog foods that are lower then the top end stuff in quality. I don’t need a site that drives dog food, I need one that gives me good true information. I’ve seen other sites that give TotW 5 and 6 stars out of 5 and this site use to rate it a 5 star, now with no change in quality. The next time I tell someone it is a five star food and somneone goes to check this site, they will call me a liar once more. I can no longer refer to this site, for fear they are going to change things up on me , because they changed their mind for no real reason that a customer will care about, they care about cost and quality. This site has become useless to me. I will nolonger use this site as a reference, for I fear it has been “BOUGHT”.

  • Shawna

    Believe me Rick I know what you are going through. I don’t own a store but I do nutrition classes for a local store and I’ve consulted with another local store owner on what foods to carry as well as other topics. I’m in rescue too and some rescue folks seem to be the hardest to convert (and some others aren’t).

    I’ve also been fighting a sometimes uphill battle for over eight years. I spent A LOT of time on the “Do More For Dog” Yahoo forum discussing quality etc. Do More For Dogs was owned by Purina by the way.

    My livelihood does not depend on which foods people buy though.. I can only imagine your frustrations there. You have to do what you have to do but I can say that a LOT has changed over the years and more and more people are becoming aware. Do what you have to do that will allow you to keep your doors open and keep the better foods on the shelf!!!!!!

    Also as I noted in my previous post, TotW wasn’t downgraded by Mike due to “external forces”. When TotW first came out I fed it to my foster dogs (I don’t recall what the protein amounts and specific ingredients were though). Now I personally wouldn’t even consider feeding a food with less than 34/35% protein. And now there are many more foods on the market and available. It may be that when the food first came out it was one of the best but it simply isn’t any longer. That isn’t Mike’s fault. Either way that doesn’t mean you have to, or even should, stop selling it. People want choices so give it to them.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    It’s not, anything above 3.5 is good, I just don’t like it that a resource I have been using for years now starts changing ratings for no real reason. There has been no change that I have noticed, other then other sites finally recognizing TotW and giving it a 5 and even 6 stars. If this site continues this I will no longer consider this site as valid, I already have a problem of money being taken for a list of their choices and I see a list that is ripe with the thought of pandering to certain companies that even they rate as 4 star over top end quality food. I don’t want a site that drives the dog food market, it’s looking more and more like it’s what it has become. I will no longer be refering anyone to this site, as long as I see this kind of thing is happening.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    Cost is the number one issue I have being brought up in my store and gee, you have no idea how much I like it when some one comes in here and tells me my job when it comes to knowing what they want and it’s a top of the line food. Still there are more factors then quality here. My last dog was a britney and this was before dog food became so looked at. We feed that dog the cheepest food we could find, He lived to over 17 years old, normal life span on a Brit is 13 years. I know people now feeding 2 star dog foods to dogs and when I say they should feed at least 3.5 star, they have some very choice words for me. Everyday I face people like this and I wonder, (I don’t carry anything below a 3.5 star food), should I carry such crap as is being advertised on TV today, just to get them into my store in hopes that over time they might upgrade? Are we doing it wrong by carrying only top end stuff, or should we just focus on getting them in, so maybe they’ll learn something? Being an animal person, should I just focus on getting as many dogs above 3.5, or should I try to inform the people who actually have the money to buy the food? Changing numbers all of a sudden due to external forces that having nothing to do with quality works against people like me. Dropping it from 5 star to 4.5 star is a big deal to people for me, if I can’t explain why. Quality of product is the only thing that matters to the majorty of buyers out here and you would not believe what some of the breeders, even Vets are telling new puppy owners to use, because that is what they use, or sell. We have an impossible task at times, to get the public the right info and I have been called a liar many times. Dogs are as different as people, sometimes they have cast iron for a gut and sometimes it seems you can not find anything they can eat. We should focus on getting them the right food at the right price, for the right dog. All owners should be taught to watch the dog, feed them a good food, no matter what stage they are at. Sometimes we have to get the small wins, to get us to the big win.

  • Shawna

    Hi Rick,

    I actually value the opinions of store owners and employees (stores carrying quality foods of course). These are the folks that I most want to try to influence as well as they have the ability to influence many people.

    It’s important to know how Mike rates foods in my opinion. This is taken from his page on the topic.

    “We read and interpret government-regulated and standardized pet food labels. Nothing more. And we do this in two simple steps.

    1. We study the ingredients list
    2. We estimate the meat content

    We tend to dislike dog foods made with by-products of any kind, plant or animal. And we downgrade recipes that use controversial chemicals or plant-based protein boosters.

    Why don’t you consider a company’s recall history when you rate a product?

    So far, I’ve never been able to find a single scientific study proving the predictive ability of any (human or pet) food recall to reliably forecast another. Most recall events appear to be completely random (and unpredictable).” http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/frequently-asked-questions/rate-dog-food/

    Several of the TotW products have “plant protein” boosters like pea protein. The protein content of most are also below 30%. Two of the foods only have 25% protein. Acana is another good food but two of their products are rated 4 stars because of the overall protein (and possibly the protein content of oats?).

    One can say that TotW should be upgraded because it has no grains but potato and pea (esp potato) can cause the very same issues as grains such as intolerances, potato can cause leaky gut and exacerbate and even cause arthritis as well as other issues.

    Although the recalls don’t really bother me so much, one is likely to assume (myself included) that Diamond in general is willing to cut a few corners or overlook a few things here and there to have so many and such obvious issues (wasn’t one duct taping equipment?).

    All that said, I don’t see any reason to discontinue selling TotW (several of my local stores still sell it). But I personally would give the purchaser the details as known and let them decide. And I would recommend adding higher protein toppers.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Rick, 2 of the recipes still get 5 stars. Wetlands, and Prairie. As you know DFA rates foods based on protein percentages. Those that are lower in protein or use more plant protein than meat protein will get a lower rating. 4.5 stars is not a bad rating at all. TOTW looks great on paper, and when my dogs were on it they did well. But I do understand people’s reluctance to use Diamond products. True, any food can be recalled, but Diamond seems to have the most recalls.

  • http://batman-news.com Rick

    Many of you are going to dismiss what I’m going to say here, because I am a dog food store owner. But, I do have some insider information on Diamond and Taste of the Wild. The biggest thing is, this problem with Diamond was a problem in one regional plant almost 2 years ago now. The plant I buy from was cleaned out to fill the stores in that area, so yes, it did effect me in that way. I must put a question to this sight though, TOTW, the last time I looked was a 5 star food. There has been no change to this product that I am familure with, but yet you now place it at 4.5 stars. I have always told people to come to your site to look up their dog food, for I felt you to be the most honest site out there, now I question that. A good 98% of my customers who try this food swear by it and that’s what I go by. It has become my best seller and yes I still carry other Diamond products. Recalls happen, there are many things that can cause them, some here seem to think there is some magic dog foods out there, that recalls will never happen with. It is important that we get every dog owner that we can to feed the best dog food that they can AFFORD to feed and any dog food above 3.5 stars is better then those under that. Get everyone above that, before we start worrying about the things in dog foods that aren’t killing our dogs.

  • LabLover

    I have used TOTW and my dogs did good on it, but I am now feeding Dr Tims They do amazing on it and it is very similar in price and 5 star food.

  • Danielle Bieber

    My dog loves this food! I change flavors for him throughout the year. Before switching to Taste of the Wild he would let his food sit for hours or all day, now he eats it in 5 minutes! I even started buying Taste of the Wild for my cats because they would try to steal his food instead of eating theirs. He is a Chocolate lab and has a very shiny coat.

  • Deborah Therien

    Listed right before chicory root, is ‘choline chloride’, which is used in chicken feed as a growth accelerator. Please know this is not the best for your pets.

  • Shawna

    We remember things slightly differently. From my understanding, the melamine was not added to poison those consuming the gluten meal and rice protein but rather to increase the overall amount of protein in the ingredient the cheapest way possible. The FDA and such simply weren’t looking for melamine versus it being “masked”.

    My foster dogs were getting kibble with raw toppers back in 2007 (I can’t afford to feed all the dogs that come in raw — I’ve had as many as 12-13 dogs at one time). Not one of the foods I fed then, or now, were on the recall list as they didn’t include ingredients like gluten meal and pea protein.

    I know some vitamins are sourced from Chine but I’m unfamiliar with the issue with the vitamin/mineral mixes. Can you supply data on that please?

  • Bobby dog

    Rather than citing your website as a source would you please provide a link to the original article, peer reviewed study, or website you are citing, thanks.

  • Shawna

    I feed raw too but I think your statements are a bit misleading.

    Melamine was found in a couple ingredients and removed. Yes, the potential for recontamination is there but from my understanding there was severe consequences to the owner/or person in charge at the company that laced the ingredients with melamine. The treats were due to an antibiotic if memory serves.

    My pup was born with kidney disease and her mom was raw fed. Dr. Jean Hofve notes on her kd page for cats that there is a toxin in seafood (including fish) that can cause kidney disease. Vaccinations are suspected. Products we use in our home can contribute. Severe dehydration can cause kd. Certain leptospira (and some other bacteria) can cause kidney disease. Some folks feed raw / home made but add grains. In humans, gluten can cause a type of kd (not sure about dogs). There are many things that can cause and/or contribute to kd.

  • Blue Bird Vision

    I just checked it out and it looks like a fantastic substitute! I ordered a few samples and I’ll see how she likes it. Thanks for the suggestion! Victor seems to be a popular brand popping up in the forum recently.

  • Crazy4cats

    Try out Victor! It is similar to Taste of the Wild, in my opinion.

  • Blue Bird Vision

    I’ve been feeding this for about three years now and my dog has been excellent so far on it. My only concern is that she is having gas with nearly every single formula and no one in my house appreciates it (it’s REALLY bad).

    I’d like to find a similar food in this price range, not manufactured by Diamond, and would work well with a probiotic.

    This food has been treating us well for the most part, but I feel like I’m walking on eggshells with their track record. Quite a few people are concerned about the recall factor.

  • housewifeinthemidwest

    Last year our vets recommended Taste of the Wild so we transitioned over to that brand and haven’t had any problems so far. We got a bad bag at Farm King that they wouldn’t eat but that was because it was old food that had been on the shelf too long. Now we make sure not to get it there anymore. They seem to like the Wetlands and Salmon the best.

  • Sandra

    We have a pit bull who lost almost 10 pounds on that formula so we switched to the Bison and she gained it all back. Our bulldog still eats the wetlands formula and his weight stays steady, as does his gas…I assumed it was b/c he’s a bulldog and never connected it to the food.

  • Liza Bond

    It’s the higher fat in the Sierra and Wetlands formula that’s causing this.

  • Liza Bond

    Taste of The Wild Pacific Stream PUPPY is a single protein fish source

  • Liza Bond

    4Health Dry Dog Food & Grain Free (Duck & Pork) Diamond-(800)442-0402
    4Health Grain Free Dog Food( Beef, Turkey & Whitefish) – Dad’s/ Ainsworth-(800)323-7738
    4Health Canned Dog Food – Simmons Pet Food-(866)463-6738
    4Health Dog Treats- Sunshine Mills Inc. 2103 S Gloster St, Tupelo, MS 38801 (662) 842-6175

  • matt

    Thanks, we are debating going back to is as we speak.

  • matt

    Never tried adding anything, I will look into it. Thanks.

  • theBCnut

    I haven’t gone and checked for sure, but I believe the Extreme Athlete is a higher calorie food, so that alone could account for the weight loss.

  • Crazy4cats

    Have you tried adding any digestive enzymes or probiotics? You could also try a different variety of TotW. I use Victor grain free with good results, but I do add some enzymes and probiotics occasionally. Good luck!

  • matt

    I started using the wetland blend a few months ago on my 18 month old labs. My black lab lost several pounds (she has been checked by the vet for worms and other issues, nothing popped up). My yellow’s weight stayed the same but her gas is absolutely horrid! (We made a switch from the diamond extreme athelete.) Any suggestions on what I should try next?

  • Avram Cohen

    wow, your way to sensitive

  • Lindsay

    We just switched her onto the food to see if that helps an she took a complete 180! Her coat looks amazing now, she doesn’t itch as much (still a bit but nothing like before) and she has so much more energy. Her hair even started growing back in some spots. I’m really impressed with this food!

  • Lana

    Dogswell Nutriscia Salmon & Chickpea. My English Bulldog has been on it for 4 years and I’ve saved trips to the vet. It’s a 5 star food. IMHO it’s the BEST for dogs with yeasty skin issues.

  • [email protected]

    I had a golden retreiver in the past and fed him what I thought was pretty good dog food. He had allergies, smelled bad, shed terribly and bad breath but the best dog in the world :). After he passed away last year I got another golden. He is 10 months old. I was determined to feed him only the best. A trainer i spoke with said he only used Pioneer for his dogs, but i could not afford that. So I found TOTW. he has been on this since birth and his coat is beautiful, shiny and silky. no bad breath, itching or allergies. He has NO smell whatsoever even if he has rolled in the dirt or carries dirt on his coat legs from outside! He has lots-sometimes too much energy, but I have been totally pleased with this food. :)..PS I usually feed him the Pacific salmon dry food.

  • dchassett

    Oh, so sorry for your families loss. This is very sad. RIP Lola.

  • Van Butler

    How’s your pup doing? Did you switch to anything that helped with the itching?

  • Crazy4cats

    I’m very sorry for your loss of Lola. I’m glad your feeding routine is working well for your Bear.

  • Van Butler

    After almost Two months now on TOTW High Prairie, Bear(GSD) has completely stopped itching and biting. His shedding has reduced to almost nothing. His coat is rich and healthy. We do mix in a raw egg or chicken livers once or twice a day. One big improvement that’s surprised us is his breath. Bear, has good breath odor. The first dog Ive ever known not to have ” doggy” breath.

    On a sad note. My parents Long hair Dachshund, Lola, passed away this past week. She was 5 and suffered an injury to her back which led to a Prednisone treatment that caused Liver and Kidney failure.

  • theBCnut

    Victor may work for you or Earthborn.

  • Kaylee

    Also, do you have any recommendations as to what food I could switch to? I have had blue and totw and it seems like those stir up a lot of emotion with people. I feel like I shouldn’t feed them those, but completely unsure where to turn to now.

  • Kaylee

    Thank you for your response. I appreciate it. I live in Michigan so I am unsure where the food comes from? I would have to call and ask or ask the store I buy it from.

    That’s really upsetting that they had all of those issues :/. I really hope they get things together and stay on top of it. It’s sad that money trumps the health of dogs anymore :(.

  • dchassett

    My feeling, as well as others, still avoid it because it is a product produced by Diamond. I have no issues with Taste of the Wild’s ingredients, I have an issue with any and all foods produced by Diamond. Too too many recalls for my liking. Just sayin! That’s my opinion and my choice for my dogs.

  • theBCnut

    I don’t worry about salmonella recalls because I scrub my hands, wash dog bowls, and don’t allow children to handle any dog food in any way that isn’t immediately followed by sanitation measures, but Diamond has also had massive recalls for aflatoxin and melamine, as well as a minor recall for getting a vitamin premix wrong. The problem I have with their massive salmonella recall was what the FDA found when they inspected the facility some days later, open bins of unlabeled unbagged dog food, repairs to food handling equipment made with cardboard and duct tape, as well as other sanitation issues. Also, it took them nearly 6 months to issue the recall from when they were first made aware of issues and then they let it trickle out instead of just going ahead and recalling everything they make. I think TOTW would be a great food if someone else made it and maybe even if you live in some area where the Diamond plant isn’t always the one with problems, but anyone in an area that would get food from the SC plant should be very skeptical. And frankly, since Diamond, as a company, didn’t do a very big and very public shake up of operations at the SC plant, I don’t believe the company cares at all about the health of dogs, just the almighty dollar.

  • Kaylee

    also **sidenote.. It wasn’t that I don’t take recalls seriously..because I do.. I just thought that salmonella didn’t affect dogs like it does humans. I basically thought that the recall affected people and that dogs had no adverse affects. Again, correct me if I am wrong. I have only done a little research, not enough to claim I know much about the situation. Thanks!

  • Guest

    I was wondering if this food is really all that bad? I know a lot of people have issues with Diamond. I saw something the other day that alerted me to do more research. I was feeding Blue with no problems, but switched to TOTW because of easier accessibility. I have both of my dogs on it and don’t seem to have any issues. The only issue I can think of is my dachshund has bad breath a lot. Idk if that’s just him or the food. I love my dogs more than anything and only want what is best for them. I chose to feed Blue and then TOTW because I thought I was doing them good. I will always stay away from anything sold at Walmart and especially dog food/treats made in China. Althought I thought I was helping by staying away from those, the things I see online tell me that I am not doing them good by feeding TOTW though :(. Anyways..those that know more can you tell me why exactly you are against TOTW/Diamond. I understand they have had recalls, but I assumed the recalls were minor and had to do with a little salmonella. Please feel free to correct me. If you personally feel like I shouldn’t be feeding them this can you please give me suggesstions on a high quality food that is easy to get a hold of. I have a dachshund (14.5 lbs) and a mutt (54 lbs).. To be honest my dachshund could stand to lose a couple pounds.. The vet says he is healthy, but not to gain any weight. He has an over obsession with food.. Idk if he is not getting what he needs or if that is part of who he is.. He has been like this thought since he was a few months old.. He is 1 year and 5 months old now. I measure his food out daily.. Trying to do what I can.

  • Kaylee

    I was wondering if this food is really all that bad? I know a lot of people have issues with Diamond. I saw something the other day that alerted me to do more research. I was feeding Blue with no problems, but switched to TOTW because of easier accessibility. I have both of my dogs on it and don’t seem to have any issues. The only issue I can think of is my dachshund has bad breath a lot. Idk if that’s just him or the food. I love my dogs more than anything and only want what is best for them. I chose to feed Blue and then TOTW because I thought I was doing them good. I will always stay away from anything sold at Walmart and especially dog food/treats made in China. Althought I thought I was helping by staying away from those, the things I see online tell me that I am not doing them good by feeding TOTW though :(. Anyways..those that know more can you tell me why exactly you are against TOTW/Diamond. I understand they have had recalls, but I assumed the recalls were minor and had to do with a little salmonella. Please feel free to correct me. If you personally feel like I shouldn’t be feeding them this can you please give me suggesstions on a high quality food that is easy to get a hold of. I have a dachshund (14.5 lbs) and a mutt (54 lbs).. To be honest my dachshund could stand to lose a couple pounds.. The vet says he is healthy, but not to gain any weight. He has an over obsession with food.. Idk if he is not getting what he needs or if that is part of who he is.. He has been like this thought since he was a few months old.. He is 1 year and 5 months old now. I measure his food out daily.. Trying to do what I can.
    Anyways..please someone with suggestions/advice/concerns please respond. I only want what’s best for my dogs. My little dachshund is my whole world.

  • LabsRawesome
  • Crazy4cats

    The circle on my bag does not say GMO free. Huh? I buy the grain free joint health. They must not all be. What else is GMO besides grains? I actually don’t know much about it.

  • theBCnut

    Dr Mike tagged the special alert onto every review, not just the ones with rice in them.

  • Paulette Canam

    Why does this review mention Rice.There is no rice in the food.Its grain free.

  • theBCnut

    Which one of their recalls are you referring to? Diamond has had at least 4 that I know of, and 3 of those were quite extensive.
    It appears that you do not understand the nature of recalls in the US. FDA has no power to force a recall. That means that all recalls are voluntary unless the FDA goes through the court system and a judge orders it. What company do you think wants that kind of publicity? So all we get, no matter how bad the company is, is voluntary recalls. If a company waits until the FDA threatens to sue before issuing the recall, that does not make the companies practices acceptable. And I haven’t heard of a human compay yet that has had that many recalls.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    It was part of a pretty extensive recall:

    http://www.poisonedpets.com/your-complete-guide-to-the-diamond-pet-food-recalls/

    Information about the FDA inspection:

    http://truthaboutpetfood.com/the-plot-thickens-clues-to-big-issues

    I believe theBCnut’s concern is with the manufacturer/parent company (Diamond) – this company was involved in recalls prior to this one and also had another recall (last year) after this one.

  • Paulette Canam

    It was a self recall and if i am not mistaken it only happened once.There is recalls on human food all the time.

  • Paulette Canam

    It was a self recall on a batch of food.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi mward –

    I think we may be reading two different conversations. :)

    In my initial post I said that I’m glad TOTW is working for you and agreed that raw isn’t right for everyone. You then replied by saying that you’d rather spend time with your dog then spend time prepping raw. I simply pointed out that despite making a raw diet I still have plenty of time to spend with my girls – prepping actually doesn’t take me much time. No one’s trying to make anyone feel bad.

  • mward1993

    “Personally, I don’t mind spending an extra 15 minutes or so a day prepping.” –This sounds very sarcastic, almost like taunting or like you are superior. ” I still manage to walk them twice a day so for me there is no tradeoff between feeding my dogs well and spending time with them. I guess Mabel and Gertie are lucky girls in that they get the best of both worlds – quality time with their mom and good ol home cooking…err thawing.” —Ummmm ok so my dog is not lucky to have me? You make it sound like I am a crappy dog owner. This post contradicts your post about “raw isnt for everyone” because it sounds like you are saying I am sub par because i feed a 5 star kibble and not raw.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi mward –

    Not sure what I said that made you feel bad about yourself, but sorry if I did. I clearly said in my post raw isn’t right for everyone’s lifestyle just that I don’t mind taking the extra time to do it. No one should feel bad about what they’re feeding as long as they’re doing the best they can.

  • mward1993

    Wow…just wow. You never quit. You make me feel like s*** like I am not trying hard enough for my baby. She is my daughter. You have no idea how much I love her, she is my world, my hero, and my inspiration. Just because I don’t do things your way means absolutely nothing. I was 11 years old when I started researching healthier food for my child hood chow mix, who ate kibbles n bits for 7 years of his life. He was a back yard dog and I fought tooth and nail to get him indoors and on a holistic food. Then at 17 I rescued Natalia and fought to keep her because back them my parents were very ignorant about pit bulls. She was emaciated and covered with demodex. I brought her back to life. But I guess that doesn’t matter, since I dont feed raw I am a terrible mom.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I don’t have a whole food/trader joe’s either. Have never even seen one. I have a regular grocery store. Personally, I don’t mind spending an extra 20 minutes or so a day prepping to ensure that my dogs are eating the healthiest meal possible. I still manage to walk them twice a day so for me there is not trade off between feeding my dogs well and spending time with them. I guess I’m lucky in that I’m able to give them the best of both worlds.

  • mward1993

    I think feeding raw/homemade would be nice. The only issue is that I live in a small town with no whole foods or trader joes to get “health food” from. My nearest whole foods is in Chapel Hill NC (UNC Tar Heels). I work in Durham (DUKE is there) so I guess I could be there to get the ingredients I need. But right now I am just not making enough to afford home made raw. I have to save to move into Durham. And finding pit bull friendly housing is no easy task.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I’m glad you found a food you’re satisfied with. Raw isn’t right for everyone for sure – many people don’t have the time to prepare it, can’t afford it, aren’t comfortable feeding it or simply aren’t willing to research how to make it. However none of these reasons make it “inaccessible.” If someone wants to learn there are many great resources out there – books, informational websites, forums, etc. I think most anyone who wanted to learn to make it would be able to figure it out.

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi mward,

    I feel your frustration with feeding raw. I feed lightly cooked homemade without any raw meaty bones.

    I read and continue to read about canine nutrition and my philosophy is fresh is best, quality counts and a dog is a carnivore.

    Steve Brown’s Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet. is my favorite book on canine nutrition. I learned a lot especially about balancing the fats in a dog’s diet. No other book I read goes into balancing the fats with the details found in this book.

    It’s true that a homemade diet has to be balanced. I use Steve Brown’s dinner mixes, Wysong’s call of the wild and Balance-it’s Carnivore blend to make sure my dog’s get all their vitamins and minerals.

    I further supplement with sardines, algae oil and anchovy or sardine oil for Omega 3’s. I use probiotics and enzymes for digestive and immune health and I use coconut oil for yeasty skin.

    I feed a ratio of about 80% lean meats, fish and poultry to 20% mostly non starchy vegetables with a little fruit. I occasionally feed them organs , no more than 15% of their meal.

    That’s basically it. Take it slow, feed them homemade whenever you can and adjust things to fit your particular dog’s issues etc.

    Your dog’s will thank you with better health and longer. happier lives.

    Whatever you do enjoy yourself! People are here that will always lend a helping hand when you need it!!!

  • mward1993

    First I would do everything for my dog. ANYTHING! I would feed home made raw if I needed to. But raw does no good if it isn’t complete and balanced. It is tricky to get things right, its not like you go to the butcher, buy some bones and toss them to your dog. It takes lots of research and calculations.
    Commercial raw is out of the question for 2 dogs and 5 cats. I am unable to afford it (hence it is “inaccessible” to me) I used to feed primal to my personal dog but it was $50-70 per package that would only last her one week. So then I had her on Natural Balance for a long time until I became concerned about the high carbs/low protein ( largely thanks to people on this site) Now she is on TOTW High Prairie and returned to a healthy weight. She is doing much better on TOTW so thanks :)
    To make things more complicated my dog is extremely picky so many foods she simply wont eat and instead gets stressed out over it.

  • dchassett

    I have also posted that same sentiment and have been down voted (not that any of those little arrows up or down mean anything to me) and commented on how can I blast foods that Diamond makes and that I am essentially being narrow minded. I’ve never posted anything other than it is my opinion that it is truly another accident waiting to happen. Unfortunately for all feeding Diamond produced foods, it’s going to happen again, and again. That’s my opinion.

    Mike, before you say anything about what I have said I will clarify my post and say to everyone and anyone reading this: IT IS ONLY MY OPINION! No facts behind this. Not trying to scare anyone off of any food or any company or any manufacturer. It’s just my opinion.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Agreed. I think it’s safe to say that everyone has access to a grocery store. There’s a difference between something being “inaccessible” and someone being unwilling or unable to invest the extra time and/or money required to feed a raw diet.

  • Melissaandcrew

    I don’t find raw to be inaccessible. You can make your own for cheap : )

  • theBCnut

    One of the posts that didn’t show up was somewhat shocked that I would say that, but I really do feel like Diamond is an accident waiting to happen and I really don’t understand when others don’t also see it that way with their history.

  • dchassett

    Love your response “nut”. I’m right there with you. HAHAHA! So true.

  • dchassett

    Taste of the Wild is made by Diamond. A lot of us avoid foods produced by Diamond due to their numerous recalls. Taste of the Wild has also been recalled in the past. Please look on the upper left hand side of this screen and you’ll see Dog Food Recalls. Also sign up for the Dog Food Recall Alerts.

  • Cindi James

    I wanted to try this brand but the only store that carries it is about 30 minutes away. If anyone else is having this issue, wag.com carries this brand and you can get 20% off your first order (code SAVE20). It cost me $37.59 for a 30lb bag and free shipping after I got my order over $49. The prices aren’t anything special after you make your first order, but they are a little bit lower than the other sites.

  • mward1993

    oohhhhh thats right. My dog gets huge stools and gas on foods high in legumes so I know what you mean.

  • mward1993

    I feed TOTW and I am happy with it as is my dog. I use Natural Balance canned as a topper. Both are manufactured by Diamond and TOTW is a brand they own. Recalls are very scary because you always wonder if your food is next. But for me, I am on the lookout no matter what I feed. Do you know specifically how Diamond has made improvements?

  • theBCnut

    It’s not that I dislike Orijen, but it isn’t great for any of my 3 dogs, and 2 of them do well on just about anything. I think maybe all the peas, beans, and lentils are hard to digest or something. IDK, all of my dogs can handle legumes, but they don’t do great on Orijen. I’m just not a fan.

  • theBCnut

    It’s not that I think it isn’t a great food. It’s that I have a dog with issues and there are too many things about Orijen that won’t work for him. And my 2 other dogs that do well on anything, don’t do great on Orijen, they just do so so. So Orijen is OK, but I’m not on the bandwagon.

  • mward1993

    you dont like
    Orijen?

  • Hater & Molly’s Mom

    Just wondering why you aren’t a fan of Orijen? I’m considering trying my two dogs on this and i know how knowledgeable you are. Thanks!

  • theBCnut

    Actually, what I’m saying isn’t about what food I like. I like TOTW. It’s the manufacturer that I don’t like. I think TOTW is a great food, I started to switch my dogs to it, not realizing it was a Diamond food, right before the last major recall. I was feeding Diamond products before the 2 major recalls before that and had decided then that they weren’t to be trusted, but I didn’t do my due diligence before I tried TOTW. If someone else made it, I’d use it, but I don’t trust Diamond anymore.
    BTW, I do spend my energy warning people away from those foods too. And I am a fan of good quality kibble, but that includes a few less expensive foods too, like NutriSource, Earthborn, and Victor, as well as high end foods. I do like to feed some raw foods. And no, I’m not a fan of Orijen, though I do like the company that makes it, Champion.

  • Crazy4cats

    Ok, good. I knew that I had seen it somewhere, but couldn’t find it on their site. You think they would make it big and bold on their site as it is a hot topic these days. Thanks!

  • LabsRawesome

    I have a bag of Active Dog & Puppy, it says GMO Free grains on the back of the bag. On the front of the last GF bag I had it said GMO Free around the circle that reads GF. If you look at the circle that has GF it is there. http://www.midamericapetfood.com/victordogfood/pdf/Brochure-GF-Yukon%20River%20Canine.pdf

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Labs-
    I thought at one time, they advertised on their site that they were GMO free. I don’t see that claim now. Where do they state that info? I can’t find it.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Nancy, Check out Victor, their GMO free. And 5 star. victordogfood.com

  • Nancy Calloway

    For peace of my mind I am transitioning OUT of TOW to foods from producers who SO FAR, based on performance, appear to be more on top of quality control than is Diamond. I’m with BCnut on this one. Don’t want my furries to be sick due to my not doing EVERYTHING I CAN to provide safe food. Will check out the 5 star GMO Free foods when the list comes out. Thank Goodness for this site.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I agree. I’ve never actually fed TOTW due to the recalls.

  • Nancy Calloway

    I have been using the two 5 star TOW grain frees and have been very satisfied. NO problems. My concern is Diamond – NOT the food recipe / ingredients itself. I ask myself, “WHY risk it when there are many excellent foods from companies with a better track record – NO recalls?” Don’t those diamond recalls infer that someone is not watching closely enough? It’s too bad bec TOW at it’s best is great.

  • mward1993

    Not knocking Orijen because I think its awesome, but it is harder to find and very expensive. TOTW High Prairie and Wetlands are both pretty similar to Orijen. They are 32% protein so pretty close to Orijen’s 38%, as they are both foods with ample amounts of protein. The other TOTW formulas are good too, and they are mostly at 25% or 29%. NO SHAME IN THAT. A great option if you cant pay $4 per pound of food. Seriously why are we knocking TOTW when we could be b****ing about Ol Roy ect.

    And yes Van, there are many “raw fanboys” on this site. Raw is great but again inaccessible to most people.

  • mward1993

    oh wooowww

  • Van Butler

    I’m not sure what your motivation is behind this but I think your energy would be better spent WARNING folks about Alpo, Purina, Iams or such.

    I’m guessing your a huge fanboy of feeding raw or some high end boutique brand like Origin.

  • theBCnut

    I haven’t been hit by a car yet, but I still know better than to play in the street.

  • Van Butler

    Like I said earlier, we have only had good results with TOTW. If you haven’t then Maybe a different brand is recommended for your dog.

  • theBCnut

    I give second chances too, but when it comes to food, how many chances are too many? 4? 5? They have had that many recalls.

  • theBCnut

    Yes, but would you keep going back to a restaurant that you keep getting food poisoning from?

  • Van Butler

    Just like in the human world. Have you ever had a bad meal or got sick from something you ate? Nothing is perfect.

  • Carissa

    He will be 1 next month. It has done wonders with him . I hope it helps her too!!

  • Van Butler

    YES! He’s doing great. His itching has stopped and his shedding has also dramatically decreased. I wish I could post pics of how his coat has darkened. In addition to TOTW I put a raw egg in and sometimes raw chicken livers. Anyhow, no complaints here just improvements.

  • Lindsay

    Hey how old is your pup! I have a 6 month old GSD with the same skin issues I just put her on this food too. Hopefully it works for her

  • Lindsay

    We just switched our GSD to this food too. Is yours still doing good on it?

  • Ellie Noe

    We were feeding Taste of the Wild dry dog food and our Corgi developed crystals in her urinary tract. We caught it before stones formed; but my vet says that she has removed stones from other small breeds when they were feeding Taste of the Wild. Anyone else know anything about this?

  • mward1993

    This site does take the GA into consideration, that is true. What I meant is the site does not really factor in the company’s reputation and quality control. It rates based on face value, the ingredients and GA.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    This site doesn’t judge food on “ingredients alone” – the general analysis is factored in as well.

  • mward1993

    this site judges food on ingredients alone.

  • mward1993

    Because sh!t happens and companies have bad batches at some point. Human error. No I am not trying to defend companies with poor quality products, nor good companies who make mistakes (which TOTW is not a poor quality food, but even the best are not perfect. Honest Kitchen recall. Champion kitchen fire.) but it happens to the best. Ingredient wise, TOTW is great. Lots of meat most of the formulas and no red flags. But there is no perfect company, no one size fits all food. All dogs are different and some will react poorly, and every now and then a bad batch will show up at some point.

  • JoAnna S.

    I am confused, how can a dog food rated 4.5 stars, cause the death of a dog, was it just a bad batch, or this dog food in general? thanks. I was buying PureBalance (grain free from walmart) without difficulty, but thought i’d invest in a better dog food.

  • Van Butler

    I just switched my boy (GSD) over to Taste of the Wild and after one month we are seeing startling improvements in him already!!

  • Freeholdhound

    So sorry to hear of your loss – I hope your other Dobe will be okay. I just recently tried TOTW for the 1st time & my boy loved it but after a week his breath was unbearable. I took him off it, like so many foods it wasn’t working for him.

  • InkedMarie

    I’m so sorry for your loss, Heather. I hope your other dobe will be okay. Please keep us posted.

  • Heather Lyn Carlucci

    Thank You Betsy. I am so heartbroken. I took food to the Veternarian, they said since they dont sell it, they cant help me. Yet when Diamond was recalled years ago, I worked at Banfield, they contacted the comoany (My babies were not on it, TG). Banfield found it and allnowners were reimbursed. I also need my older girl tested and just put out $2,000 between the Veternarian bills and his buriel. Not to mention the grief myself and my other baby feels. Thank you so much. I want to save others from the grief I am goimg through.