Sojos Complete (Freeze-Dried)

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Rating: ★★★★☆

Sojos Complete Dog Food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4 stars.

The Sojos Complete product line includes four grain free dog foods, each claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Sojos Complete Goat Recipe
  • Sojos Complete Turkey Recipe
  • Sojos Complete Beef Recipe (3.5 stars)
  • Sojos Complete Lamb Recipe (3.5 stars)

Sojos Complete Turkey Recipe was selected to represent both products in the line for this review.

Sojos Complete Turkey Recipe

Freeze-Dried Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 29% | Fat = 13% | Carbs = 50%

Ingredients: Turkey, sweet potatoes, whole egg, broccoli, celery, apples, flax seeds, pecans, cranberries, tricalcium phosphate, basil, dried alfalfa, pumpkin, ginger root, dried kelp, zinc sulfate, vitamin E acetate, vitamin D3 supplement

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 8.4%

Red items indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis26%12%NA
Dry Matter Basis29%13%50%
Calorie Weighted Basis26%29%45%
Protein = 26% | Fat = 29% | Carbs = 45%

The first ingredient in this dog food is turkey. Turkey is considered “the clean combination of flesh and skin… derived from the parts or whole carcasses of turkey”.1

Turkey is naturally rich in the ten essential amino acids required by a dog to sustain life.

The second ingredient includes sweet potato. Sweet potatoes are a gluten-free source of complex carbohydrates in a dog food. They are naturally rich in dietary fiber and beta carotene.

The third ingredient includes whole eggs. Eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The fourth ingredient is broccoli. Broccoli is a healthy green vegetable and a member of the kale family. It’s notably rich in vitamin C and fiber and numerous other nutrients.

Like other cruciferous vegetables, broccoli is believed to provide potent anti-cancer benefits.

The fifth ingredient is celery. Although raw celery can be very high in water, it can still contribute a notable amount of dietary fiber as well as other healthy nutrients.

The sixth ingredient is apple, a nutrient-rich fruit that’s also high in fiber.

The seventh ingredient is flaxseed, one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With two notable exceptions

First, although dried alfalfa is high in protein (18%) and fiber, it’s uncommon to see it used in a dog food. This hay-family ingredient is more commonly associated with horse feeds.

And lastly, the vitamins and minerals added to this product are not detailed sufficiently here to permit us to judge their quality, but we’re reassured to find a detailed list of naturally present nutrients on the company’s website.

Sojos Complete Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Sojos Complete looks like an above-average dry dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 29%, a fat level of 13% and estimated carbohydrates of about 50%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 26% and a mean fat level of 13%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 53% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 49%.

Near-average protein. Below-average fat. And above-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the flaxseed and dried alfalfa, this looks like the profile of a dry product containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Sojos Complete is a plant-based dry dog food using a moderate amount of freeze dried raw named meats as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

Sojos Dog Food
Recall History

The following list (if present) includes all dog food recalls since 2009 directly related to this product line. If there are no recalls listed in this section, we have not yet reported any events.

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Notes and Updates

03/21/2017 Last Update

  1. Adapted by the Dog Food Advisor and based upon the official definition for chicken published by the Association of American Feed Control Officials, Official Publication, 2008 Edition
  • Hound Dog Mom

    From Champion’s website:

    “We do not source ingredients from China. All of our minerals are
    produced and sourced in Canada. Our vitamins come primarily from North
    America, if they are not available here we have three other countries in
    Europe that we source from, Switzerland, Germany, and France.”

    I’ve called Earthborn in the past and I was told they don’t use any Chinese ingredients.

  • Wallpaper Doll

    I may go back to that then. I didn’t mind Honest Kitchen. I just like the texture of the SOJO. However, since I’m not the one eating it, so what? :o) Thanks, Guys

  • Pattyvaughn

    I was suprised at how high the fat was in the canned. It wouldn’t keep me from using it since I would only use it as a topper and mine tolerate fat well anyway, but I was still surprised.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Brother’s doesn’t either. Does anybody know about Earthborn? Or Orijen/Acana?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    The Honest Kitchen doesn’t use vitamin/mineral pre-mixes from China either (in addition to NL that Betsy mentioned).

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I want to try the Nature’s Logic raw – I believe it’s the only product of theirs I have yet to try.

  • Nature’s Logic has a commitment to not sourcing any ingredients from China. They make raw, canned and kibbled diets. My dogs love NL and they both do great on it.

  • Pattyvaughn

    It is really hard to find foods that don’t have vitamin premixes from China too. You kind of have to make a decision about how far you are willing to go to avoid ingredients from China or what ingredients you find acceptable from China.

  • Wallpaper Doll

    I have since found another inquiry on another site that displays a rather complete answer from SOJO. They admit that some of their ingredients, like diced celery, are from China because they are not available in the US. They say these food-grade ingredients are all inspected at import and are used in human dehydrated foods as well. At least they’re being candid

  • Pattyvaughn

    If some of the ingredients come from China, but they are mixed together here, they don’t have to tell you. Our dog food laws are a joke. If you want to know call the company and ask.

  • Wallpaper Doll

    Also, hoping that the China connection is wrong, I feed papillons Blue Ridge raw plus SOJO plus fish-based kibble. Great stools, good breath, better teeth and no regurgitating at all.

  • Wallpaper Doll

    I heard from the owner of a holistic dog food store that SOJO ingredients are from China. The bag does not declare that. Anyone know for sure?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Patti –

    I hope you realize the veggie pre-mix is designed to have meat added. It’s basically vegetables plus a calcium supplement. Dogs need calcium and phosphorus in between a 1:1 and 2:1 ratio (c:p). Pre-mixes contain high levels of supplemental calcium but no phosphorus because meat is high in phosphorus and low in calcium. By adding this to an already balanced kibble without the addition of meat you do run the risk of throwing of the C:P ratio of your dogs’ diet (depending on how much you add). I think you’d be better off just adding fresh cooked vegetables if you want to add veggies to your dogs diet. I’m not sure why you would want to add veggies though? Kibbles are too high in carbohydrates as it is, if anything I’d recommend adding more meat and not more vegetable matter (carbs).

  • Patti

    I use this for 3 French Mastiff’s but I only use the veggie bag and mix it with grain free kibble and gravy. They love it, the fat ones have lost weight and I notice that the hyperkeratosis on their noses are going away. They seem healthier and readily eat it. I am not sure I am going to introduce the meat products they have but I love making the veggies for our dogs. I make a batch ahead of time and refridge it so I am not making it everyday. If anything I recommend the veggie bag.

  • stephen lumley

    same with my dogs, at least my fat boy isn’t fat anymore as a result, but time to switch

  • something to consider concerning raw and this unfounded scare of salmonella….how many companies of dry kibble have had recalls of their products containing salmonella over the last year? My whole pack has been fed raw for 5 years…best coats, teeth, breath and weights of any dogs I’ve ever owned! My 90 lb GSD thrives on it …all the way down to my 3 lb Chihuahua.

  • sharron

    hi
    is this a decent food or is there a better one that i can get in canada.
    thanks

  • Greg Hopkins

    My sentiments exactly! 🙂

  • Pattyvaughn

    Try asking a question, instead of unknowingly insulting the people who have the answers.

  • LabsRawesome

    BOO HOO.

  • Greg Hopkins

    I Got to tell ya, I came on this page to get info on Sojos dog food. I didn’t learn a thing. Just a few posts down, these people used this for a sounding gab board about their pedigrees and serial numbers on their dogs and using codes and things. Does no one moderate this stuff. Someone needs to let them know this is a page for Sojos dog food, not all their big talk about this or that. I found this very unhelpful. You need to get more info about this dog food. If anyone can help me, I would be very grateful.

  • DeeBeck

    I agree. I use it when I’m not home cooking but always add some protein. One good thing is that this company has never had a recall.

  • Greyga

    We just started feeding our dogs Sojos and 1 of our dogs has been regurgitating his food. We dont know whats wrong. Has anyone had this problem before?

  • Bargsds

    My GSDs don’t do well with raw, and they aren’t crazy about it. Glad your pups are doing well!! 🙂

  • Dobiemom33

    I was very disappointed in this food. I decided to try it as a quicker alternative to making my dogs meal which I have been doing. I have a 90 lb doberman who was at his ideal weight when I started. First of all, the first ingredient should always be meat. The first ingredient of sojos turkey is sweet potatoes. My dog loved the food. However he was always hungry and lost a lot of weight immediately. He also was pooping a lot. After four weeks I called the company. The said the weight loss and pooping was normal and that it would get better after six weeks. He did not gain weight even after I started doubling the amount and adding meat. His spine, hips and ribs started showing more and more. This made an already expensive food much more expensive. He also continued to poop a lot, even getting me up in the middle of the night. It also made him very gassy. I feel there was so much waste BC of all of the sweet potatoes. Needless to say I went through two large, expensive bags of food in two months. I will never use this food again. I have also read some things online that there are some ingredients made in china. I don’t know if that is true or not.

  • Pink_gemstone

    Also i heard that we can cook this and then add veggies if we are concerned with the *rawness* of it.  What veggies would be ok? Would the vitimins in the meat get ruined by cooking?

  • Pink_gemstone

    My dog had a bout of IMHA and a year later she’s finally off of prednisone…(4 months meds free actually) Since she has an already compromised immune system, would this be a safe diet for her.  Shes been having GI isues… the Vet thinks its because of an allergy to her current food (origin adult formula).

  • Bargsds

    Thanks so much for letting me know that!!! I like Lew a lot, she’s helped me a lot in answering questions. I’ve tried Sojos, prew model raw, commercial raw… the only thing I’ve never tried (and won’t, haha) is Purina, etc. 🙂 These 2 eat grain-free kibble consistently, I’ve just tried over their 4 years to find something “better”, but I guess it’s true that all pups thrive on different things. I found a great kibble, Darford, that was grain/potato free…but the company was recently sold. Now I’m on the quest again. Thanks:)

  • alphamom

    sorry, thats MUSCLE TONE. 

  • alphamom

    I have stopped feeding my 2 gsd’s Sojos as 1) They just were too darn thin! 2) They had a large amount of waste. 3) They threw up a lot 4) Someone knowledgeable on this site told me that freeze dried was NOT good for a GSD. I have been feeding a true raw diet now since I last sought advice on this forum and my girls are thriving! Weight good, mustle tone fabulous! No runny stool, not too much of it either. It took some research but well worth the effort. I highly recommend raw. I bought the book “Raw & Natural Nutrition for Dogs” by Lew Olson from Amazon and it really streamlined and simplified what seemed like rocket science to me. 1 or two hours of reading and it seemed sooo simple! Good luck!

  • Bargsds

    Enjoyed reading all the GSD posts… not to go off topic, but you feed Sojos? I have 2 GSD, siblings… thanks!

  • alphamom

    I heated it in the microwave to take the chill off and it did not hurt it at all. I set at about 40 seconds for a cup then stir as it will heat unevenly. It did not end up cooked or hot, just not icy.

  • SHA’

    no problem my dear! one more question that i have been wanting a answer to for the longest, Can you heat up this food? since its cold from sitting in the refrigerator or just let it sit out till it warms up itself?

  • alphamom

    SHA’ thanks for info on the reviews, I will check it out!

  • alphamom

    Sojos themselves recommends preparing and refridgerating that far in advance and after having used the product for some time, I noticed that it is a better consistency than preparing it and using it in less than at least 24 hours.

  • SHA’

    not preachy at all, just sound like a good dog owner. i am aware of the expanding thing that’s why i decided to just make some chicken and rice with some carrots for today, just so it can hold him down till tomorrow.  i have been keeping a eye on it and it still needs to absorb more water even tho it looks done. anyways thank you for your concern, great info for somebody looking for facts on this food. ( :

    by the way – i just want to ask have you seen the reviews on Sojos and The Honest Kitchen i believe, it was on YouTube  if you haven’t give it a look on your spare. I feel so bad for these dogs, their basically drinking their food. I’m sorry but these videos just disturb me at first and made me very iffy about buying it until i read more on it, did my homework and seen they did it ALL WRONG and those dogs could be very well sick by now. not wanting to ramble on but just thought i would share.

    again thank you for your help.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I wouldn’t recommend preparing dehydrated food 3-4 days in advance. Once dehydrated food is rehydrated it should be treated as a fresh food and used between 2-3 days.

  • alphamom

    Not to sound preachy but I know you want whats best for your pup.You really want to add all water your planning on adding at once and let sit 24 hrs. Minimum. As it will swell and thicken over that time. you DO NOT want it expanding in his tummy as that could cause bloat. very important to do dehydrated as far ahead as possible. I always prepared 3-4 days ahead of my use.

  • SHA’

    i figured i would just gradually add water to it, i added a half a cup at a time and when i got to 3 half a cups it already looked how i was told like  “cooked chilly” so i added a lil extra 1/4 of a cup and it looked perfect! (to me at least lol) i could already smell it and it does smell very pleasant  im surprised really. after about 15min of it sitting everything was already look plump. ( : so in all i think i got it right. btw i didn’t have time to make 24hr ahead, he ate the last bowl of his previous dog food for dinner last night and i have no way to the pet store right now soo my only choice is to let it sit until 12pm-1pm. (his already getting antsy because its pass breakfast time and the smell of it loll)

  • alphamom

    I had my shepherds on sojos and the amount recommended for your dog age/size is the product BEFORE water. Now, I did not use as much water as called for because it was soupy. I used 5 cups dry and @8 cups water but you’ll decide how your dog likes it and ajust. make it at least 24 hours before you need to feed.I also had puppies and actually fed them more than suggested by sojos.

  • SHA’

    i just got my package of Sojos for my Yorkie (YAYY!) but im having a bit of trouble figuring out how much water to mix. this is my first time using food like this and i don’t want to do it wrong. so here is my question, i am making a 4 day batch for dogs up to 12lbs and the adult serving is half a cup now it says for every cup add 1 cup and a half of water. if im only feeding a half a cup, do i still add the whole cup and a half of water? or split it to half a cup of water? for some reason its confusing the heck out of me, i don’t know if it because its early and i ran out of coffee but i feel like a total idiot. lol

  • doggonefedup

    No doubt about it The German Shepherd is the all round ultimate dog. The only breed that can do it all and excel at it too! Did you know that other than another Beagle the German Shepherd is the only dog that can successfully track a Beagle? you might enjoy this video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nGeKSiCQkPw

  • Alexandra

    They are such smart dogs! 

    Dante anticipates his commands.  His recalls if some one says “call your dog” he is up, so now working on breaking that habit. 

    As for pain tolerance, when he was around six months, even his prong collar meant nothing to him.  Lost of patience on my part. 

    Dante ate his way out of three dog crates.  It was a 300.00 KONG crate that finally holds him.  His power is unreal sometimes.

    Dante’s gate is effortless, he moves very smoothly. 

    He is a tough working guy.  🙂 

    I love this breed. 

  • doggonefedup

    Alexandra,
    I stopped formal training about eight years ago. And what little training I have done, I now use unconventional words as commands. My wife and son both know the commands and respond as well as the dogs (ok just kidding). But in any case, the boys do respond to them as well…. Max is super high energy and works that way. He wants to do everything in hi-speed mode, and will stop on a dime. Sometimes I think he just responds automatically without even thinking about it or even realizing he’s doing it, because he will become oblivious to everything else until he accomplishes his goal (no pain!).so an eCollar would never work with him.
    Baer on the other hand is so big he takes a few milliseconds to respond. My biggest problem with him is he is too worried about what Max is doing(his mentor). He runs like a deer and sorta just glides effortlessly when he trots. He isn’t as agile as Max because you just can’t redirect that much mass as quickly as a smaller dog can. He is fearless, but my neighbor just can’t understand why he (Baer) stays back 10 feet from the fence when he comes over to pet them when I’m not out there. It only took two visits from a stranger with a horse twitch to make him understand to stay far enough back that the unknown will have to be on his side of the fence…..then all bets are off! Max will still approach the fence if he knows you. There have been some abductions in the surrounding area over the past several years, something I no longer worry about. Baer has found objects faster than Max on several occasions but will only sit there and wait for Max to come and retrieve them. When playing  retrieve with a ball on a rope I’ve watched Baer run half sideways along side of Max who MUST get the ball and bring it back, all the time Baer is biting Max on the shoulder and neck. Max has to get the object and bring it back while Baer is only interested in the chase. I don’t teach them to jump, but Baer has jumped over a hot Weber gas grill to get to Max without realizing it (I hope) because I only have a five foot field fence around the property. I corrected Max for jumping the fence and he starting going under it instead. I corrected him for that and now he stays within the fenced yard. I have a bite sleeve that I’ve used in play but, I haven’t done any formal bite work. As far as jaw strength Baer is scary! Max has chewed the ends off beef leg bones, but, Baer has eaten the entire leg bone and thrown it up in the middle of the living room floor. So now they only get raw beef or pork rib bones. Baer still eats them like a piece of chicken jerky. Baer has figured out how to unlock and open the glass slider door and Max just sits by the door an waits for someone else to open it. If nobody gets up to open the door he’ll bark at Baer to open it. Baer has automatically taught himself to heel at my left side and Max seems to prefer my right side(go figure.) Both dogs can anticipate what I want them to do so they would learn quickly with a seasoned trainer and probably out think one that is not that experienced.
     

  • Alexandra

    Doggone,

    How well does the big guy move? Do you work him?

    Dante is small compared to a lot of other Shepherds he weighs in at about 80-85 pounds. The other Shepherds that we train with, Dante’s pure athleticism can’t be touched. There is nothing he won’t do.

    He has been such a blast to train in Schutzhund, it is like he read the book. We are working on REVIERE, where he seeks out the “bad guy” that is hidden, anyway with only three repetitions he was off lead and successful.

    Going to talk to breeder to see if I can get a full sister next year. 🙂

  • Alexandra

    Doggone,

    So sorry for the delay.

    Dante’s number is DN28902202

    Dam, Peggy (East German DDR) SZ2168979

    Sire, Jake (Slovak from Grim) DN16826902

  • InkedMarie

    ah, gotcha. 

  • Melissaandcrew

    HDM-

    I’m not going to lie-its very expensive and at times frustrating and pushes your patience : ) For example, when we all jump up to answer the door, and in mid stride the two blind ones decide to stop and change direction in front of you-and you go butt over teakettle because obviously you do not want to step or fall on the blind ones , lol. Or when you forget to put the 8 pack of new paper towels away out of reach and all 15 decide to have a shredding party and when caught, all run in separate directions shredding as they go. Somehow though when we all squeeze onto the couch and chair, cuddle and watch TV at night, it makes it all better : )

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I don’t know how you do it Melissa! If I had 14 dogs I’d either be in the poor house or the crazy house (maybe both). lol.

  • Melissaandcrew

     LOL!! And now, despite the fact that I just LOVE their faces, I never will have one! : ) Well, if I do, it will be at a time when I am not feeding it, plus 14 more!

  • Melissaandcrew

     Inked Marie-

    Let me clarify-All three of my unrelated dobermans did horrible on dehydrated foods. All three were skinny, and hungry despite the fact that they were being fed enough for 100lb dogs. For some reason, whether it was not digesting well or what, they failed to thrive. The one developed cow patty poops.

    Once put back on kibble, they thrived. The male is eating 2.5 cups of kibble when he is active(all but truly hot summer days, and then he gets 2 cups), the black gal(Ava) gets the same-year round for her as she is much more active.They weigh(approx) 60/65 lbs, 70/75lbs, and 85 lbs.

    All three eat normal amounts of raw, canned etc for their weights. Why the dehydrated was “rejected” is beyond me. Given the fact that all my others eat “appropriate servings” of dehydrated, I have to assume that its a “doberman thing” amongst my three.  I can’t use Maya as a gauge, lol, because she gets the squirte when I even think of changing her food. My old man rottie is 100lbs and eats dehydrated fine as well. Shrug.

  • Shawna

    Hate those brain farts for sure :)….

    Sam was pretty “fluffy” so guessing she was a full coat…

  • Shoegoddess123

    Uh… You hit the nail on the head before when you described lexi! I am very impressed with your knowledge. Its a good thing to have a spouse with a sense of humor when you love big intimidating clowns like a GSD.

  • Shoegoddess123

    Shawna, Thanks for your kind thoughts. I have recently began receiving Dr. Beckers news letters. I will search her site for more info on raw diets and pancreatic issues.

  • doggonefedup

    Long haired Shepherds are not that common. In the breed ring they prefer to Not promote them because they just aren’t as “flashy” but it is not considered a fault. Baer the dog in the back is considered a long coat. Now, there are variations of both the standard length coat and the long coat. they are Smooth, Full, and Open. And colors also. The reds are the most desirable and the “blue” which is actually a shade of gray is a disqualification. 
    The smooth coat is the most desirable and has a “filler” below the surface called an under coat. and the open coat is acceptable but doesn’t have any under coat. The full coat is not acceptable in the bread ring. It looks like the big fluffy coat on an Alaskan malamute. That may have been what he was referring to as not being allowed to breed.

    okay there was a lot more I was going to say but i just had a brain fart and can’t remember.

  • Shawna

    SO sorry for your loss Shoegoddess123!!!!

    Dr. Becker DVM has an article out (or maybe it was a video) where she states that they are finding more and more dogs with lesions on their pancreas (says they are looking more for them).  Dr. Becker is a raw feeder and opposed to non-species appropriate foods..  

    BEST of health and a very long and happy life to your new babies!!!!!!! 

  • Shawna

    Bull and King looked a lot like the one in front.  Sam (the female that came later) was a “long haired” GSD..  Dad said they were rare and not allowed to breed (if I remember correctly — been a long time)..  Any thoughts?

  • doggonefedup

    There was a time when I could just look at a GSD and tell you most of their history, bloodlines, etc. But that was a few years ago and I’m a little rusty. 
    The European lines are quicker and more agile because they are smaller and have to move less weight. They still have what it takes to be a great K-9, and can spend longer periods of time in a patrol vehicle, But, when that big German dog hits you, you’re going down! And if you are under 135lbs you’re going straight up about ten feet before you go down! Just ask my wife! she learned first hand one time when she decided to call him from about 600ft away. He got going so fast by the time he got to her he couldn’t stop and she didn’t have enough time to move out of the way….WELL.. He was licking her face before she hit the ground.(I’m just glad she was such a great sport about that!)

  • doggonefedup

     Shoegoddess123,
    This is the difference. The dog in the front is 4yrs old in the pic and is slovakia bloodlines. He is 78lbs. The dog in the back is only 6month’s old in the picture. He is OLD german bloodlines. He just turned 4yrs old this past Monday and is 128lbs. 32″ at the shoulder

  • Shoegoddess123

    Sooo Jealouse! I want one that big! Everyone used to gasp at Lexi’s size, but as you guessed, she was  83-86. My lil gals now , I am told, will only get in to the 70’s. as they are european. Your boy is too awesome!

  • doggonefedup

    He was about 3months old in that photo. at 3years he weighed in at 135lbs. That was in 1979.just a few years ago.

  • Shoegoddess123

    Something of what you say rings true! When we lost Lexi to Torsion the vet called me to say that there was something “like” a calcification ON her pancreas.

  • Alexandra

    Too funny!

  • Shoegoddess123

    WOW! I bet he’s a big boy! What does he weigh?

  • Betsy Greer

    Oh my gosh!  How cute is he!

  • Shawna

    IgA deficiency is linked to EPI.

    IgA protects against “glycoproteins” called lectins in foods like grains, potatoes, legumes and other foods.  If lectins are not neutralized by the body they can “stick” to any organ (including the pancreas) and cause lesions.  Enough of those lesions could damage the pancreas enough to cause EPI. 

    I had found research on this before but lost all my saved files and haven’t found the data again.  However, they discuss IgA and EPI in this human site.  http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2121028-workup

  • doggonefedup

    Not just the ears! look at that face licking tongue too!
    (different dog)

  • doggonefedup

    Hey Alexandria,
    Max’s ears were up at 6 weeks. I don’t know if i ever gave you his AKC. His father ‘s is DN02481614  09-05  and his mother’s is DL87300103  04-03
    you should be able to see how closely Max and Dante are related with those numbers.  They sent me the replacement reggie, but I’m still waiting for the pedigree.

  • Shoegoddess123

    Shawna, thanks, I’ll look into that link. I have heard of pancreatic insufficiency but not IgA.

  • Alexandra

    Doggone,

    Isn’t that the truth…

    Dante used get corrected for coming up on the bed, univited. I allow him up when I say its ok. Anyway, he would go around my entire bed and try from each place. He was exhausting during THAT stage.

  • Alexandra

    Doggone!

    Oh my I LOVE the ears on him! They look so silly with those huge ears at that age!

  • Shawna

    Hi Shoegoddes123 (LOVE the moniker 🙂

    The others have given you EXCELLENT advice.  I’m a raw feeder too..  I currently feed commercial raw due to time restraints but I did home prepared raw for several years..

    GSDs are genetically predisposed to an “IgA deficiency” (not sure if that is only certain blood lines etc though).  IgAs are antibodies that the body makes to protect itself from certain things.  GSDs with an IgA deficiency are more prone to “gut allergies” and other illnesses..  You can prevent a lot of these illnesses by feeding species appropriate diets and diversifying the diet.

    http://www.upei.ca/~cidd/Diseases/immune%20disorders/selective%20IgA%20deficiency.htm

  • Shoegoddess123

    He is too precious ! They are sooo adorable as pups, aren’t they!? Sosie was 10 weeks in the photo I posted. They do think they run the place, don’t they? Must be the herding instinct. My dogs are my life. Yes, my husband knows and accepts this. They really make our house a home! Enjoy him!

  • doggonefedup

    This is my seven year old Grim dog at 8weeks. Today he runs the house (or so he thinks). He’ll even turn down the covers and herd my wife to the bedroom when its time for her to go to bed…..or he will get up and put his feet on her keyboard to shutdown her computer if he thinks she’s been there too long. He herds me into the kitchen when its “brunch time” if I don’t get there when he thinks its time for him to eat!

  • Shoegoddess123

    doggonefedup,
    You are sooo funny! Yes the new girls are from Slovakia! I have never met a GSD that was not smart! They respond quickly to training. Lexi was a sweetheart. The love of my life! nad as my husband used to say about her, “she trained ME very easily”.
    I will google raw dogfoods. All I really had found before was “Barf” and my husband bout fell over at the cost. but I remind him that we can spend it on good food and have a healthy dog or we can spend it at the vet and live with constant worry. thanks!!!

  • I use a grinder and that has been the second best thing ever!  The first would be the doggy door! They do get RMB too, not just ground.

  • Shoegoddess123

    Hound Dog Mom, thanks again. going to amazon now….

  • doggonefedup

    Shoegoddess123,
    Just google raw dogfoods texas. There are at least twenty suppliers that will ship to you several different raw foods. The real truth is if you take a cow remove the intestines colon and stomach contents and grind up the rest of the entire cow, your dog will really thrive and get all (100%) of the nutrition it needs from that grind without adding anything. beef muscle meat for instance contains all the glucose a dog needs, bones calcium,organs minerals, brains fat etc. There’s no real nutritional reason for plant matter. Like us they do like the tastes of some fruits and berries and will eat them for that reason(mostly).
    I’m so sorry to hear about Lexi. She looked like a sweetheart. The Czech or Slovak lines are nuts! twice the energy of most labs and to smart for their own good. I know you are going to enjoy them even through those times you want to kill them……

  • Hound Dog Mom

    It’s called “Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet.” I got my copy on amazon. The recipes are AAFCO compliant.

  • Shoegoddess123

    Hound Dog Mom,
    Thanks for that! Where can I find Steve Browns book and what is the name of it?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Shoegoddess123 –

    When just begining to feed a raw diet it is very easy to get caught up in “am I feeding too much if this? no enough of this? etc.” I was like that when I started, after awhile I got more comfotable with it. The most important thing is getting the right amount of bone, organ meat and muscle meat. I feed a wide variety of protein sources, extras (eggs, cottage cheese, etc.), a variety if vegetables and whole foods supplements (kelp, alfalfa, fish oil, etc.). The balanced nutrition comes with variety. I was concerned with balance/bacteria when I started but my dogs have been on raw for over a year now and seeing how healthy they are I would never go back to processed foods again.

    The food can be prepared ahead if time and stored in the fridge for up to 3 days or you can freeze in ziplock baggies for extended storage.

  • Shoegoddess123

    Hound Dog Mom, 
    Thanks for more info….This is the stuff I am looking for. Can you prepare raw ahead of time and store it? I had become a slave to the cutting board! I will check out the site and books you suggested. and yes, worrying about if they were getting “X” amount of “this” and “that” has had me intimidated as some things I had seen online said you had to calculate all these things…Thanks again!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    lol try having bloodhounds…my male ate 3,000 kcal. between 8 and 18 months. My older female ate 2,700 between 8 and 18 months and the puppy (4 months) is already up to 2,200 and I think i’m going to bump her up soon as I’m starting to see a little too much rib.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Shoegoddess123 –

    I wouldn’t let “completeness” or “bacteria” scare you away from a bones and raw food diet. Your breeder was smart by feeding a barf diet. I feed my dogs a homemade raw diet and they are all healthy with no nutritional deficiencies. They eat a huge variety of foods and this is how the balance is created. Do you make sure every meal you eat is 100% balanced? I’m sure you don’t, people just eat different foods to get what they need. Books are available with balanced raw recipes (Steve Brown’s book and Dr. Becker’s book are my favorites). Dogaware.com is a great resource as well. Also, a healthy dog is not susceptible to the bacteria in raw meat. You can also add unfiltered apple cider vinegar to the food which kills most bacteria. You won’t be able to find a packaged food that your dog will thrive on like they would on a raw food. But ultimately you do have to do what you’re comfortable with, but since you said you are interested in a fresh meat diet you might want to just check out some recipes.

  • InkedMarie

    Yes but thats not a breed thing Melissa. At least not in my book. None of mine had cow plops but some of them had more frequent stools. If I had a dog who needed to gain weight, you’re right, THK wouldn’t be the choice unless I was rich!

  • Shoegoddess123

    That is exactly what I am experiencing although GSD’S ARE allways hungry.

  • Shoegoddess123

    exactly! That was my Beautiful Lexi. We lost her to torsion last May. She had gastro and pancreatic issues her whole life, so I am very cautious with this new pair. They are straight from european lines.

  • Shoegoddess123

    I agree and want a fresh meat food for my GSD’S but none are available down here in corpus christi. My breeder was just feeding fresh meat and bones. Aside from how gross i found this, I have read that it is not complete nutrition for the dog and also you have to worry about salmonella and e coli etc. I am looking to abadys dry and canned or granular, I don’t have many other choices. 

  • Melissaandcrew

     None of my three dobes did well on dehydrated foods.They always seemed hungry and were thinner than I like. Dobergal Maya had huge cow plops for stool.

  • Melissaandcrew

     Lol. My other two did not require that much food, and  they are bigger than her. She however covers twice as much ground in playing than they do, so she must have a high metabolism to go with her high activity. But, alas, that is where her problem comes in today. She has a very sensitive system. With most foods, when I feed her enough to account for her calories she needs, she gets diarrhea. If I feed her less to stop the runs, she loses weight. Unfortunately, this cycle repeats itself numerous time throughout the year, whether its a new food, or a food she has been on for a while. sigh.

  • Anna

    The Honest Kitchen is a dehydrated raw food that gets rehydrated when you make it. You can add more raw or cooked protein if you wish. For people that are uncomfortable feeding raw or have immune compromised pets (as I do) it is a very good option. And way better than any kibble. 

  • aimee

    WOW My labs have never needed that much!! They have all been “easy keepers”..  like air plants !

  • Anna

    We have two, I call them my son and daughter. Luckily my two legged daughter doesn’t mind!

  • doggonefedup

    Shoegoddess123,
    Looking at the picture you posted. I would say your GSD is about 7 or 8yrs old from American bloodlines. She probably goes back to the German Bernd bloodline 10 or 12 generations back. I would guess her weight right around 85lbs. Just curious as to how close I am.
     

  • doggonefedup

    A GSD is about as close as you can get to a wolf. And as we all know the digestive tract of a wolf (and all dogs for that matter) are designed to digest fat first, then meat protein, then with some difficulty vegetable proteins, and lastly carbs. When you look at all those designer foods like Honest Kitchen, how much meat protein do you see. The first ingredient is meat the next ten are non-meat. A dogs diet should be 90% meat not 90% vegetable matter. Now remove all the moisture. when you do that you are sucking most of the fat out too. Then you are also changing the cellular wall in a way that it just doesn’t digest like a raw meat or even a highly processed meat. I could go on and on and on. bottom line the dog may survive on that stuff but do you want your dog to just survive or do you want your dog to thrive. your choice! I’ll bet if it was the dogs choice they would probably just pee on the dehydrated sfuff and tear into the fresh food.

  • InkedMarie

    Outside of Dalmatians that have a purine issue and I *think* Schnauzers can have some issue…outside of them, I can’t imagine any breed that can’t eat any type of food. 
    You have shelties Anna? I’ve been without one for a year & half, don’t like my life without a sheltie. I’ve had three. How many do you have?

  • Dave’s Hounds

    I also like Grandma Lucy’s pureforemance and ziwi peak airdired

  • doggonefedup

    Melissa,
    Glad to hear it. If he likes the maintenance formula He’s gonna go crazy for the NPF (natural power formula) Its not loaded down with unnecessary vegetable matter like all those dried designer foods. It is higher fat so it would probably run through Dobergal at light speed for the first three feedings. Hope you can read the label. Again all human grade ingredients.

  • Shoegoddess123

    Anna and all….Thanks for all input. I did see “honest Kitchen on one site. I am so confused. Vets push Science Diet. I was not impressed with it for my last GSD. Allways runny…..

  • Anna

    I saw another commenter here say not to feed a GSD dehydrated or freeze dried. I have a question out to some other dog people but that doesn’t make sense to me. Read the reviews of The Honest Kitchen. I think you and your dogs would love it. Never a recall, nothing they use is sourced from China, it is made in a facility that also produces human grade food….I could go on and on about this food. Our dogs (Shelties) love it. Started using it about 5 years ago and never looked back. No more throwing up or loose poop…..the customer service is outstanding…can’t say enough good things about it. Best of luck to you.
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  • Shoegoddess123

    Oh, and I already upped their portion for dinner till I find the right food. Thanks!

  • Shoegoddess123

    Thanks all for your input. I was replying to my e-mails to you so not sure if u got em. They are not posted here. I did call Abadys and got # for their supplier but they can not ship the raw down here to Corpus. No one here carries raw. I am at a loss as my girls did not take kindly being removed from raw to canned/kibbie which is why I went to raw dehydrated. Any other suggestions for high quality grain free as close to raw as you can get without becoming their butcher?

  • Melissaandcrew

     doggonefedup-

    Just fyi- The Abady raw if just fine with my poodle. He normally gets 1 meal of NV per day(other is dry) and I changed completely to the Abady within  two days or so. No stomach or intestinal issues what so ever for him, He loves it to boot.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Its been a while since I had a high energy/drive pup, but if I recall, our Dobergal was eating close to 1800-2000 cals per day during that time frame.

  • aimee

    Hi Melissaandcrew,

    Sojos’ feeding guideline for a 26-50 lb pup is 2 cups, 634-666 calories depending on which complete formula used. It is woefully inadequate compared to recommended calorie amounts for growth.

    From Strombeck’s feeding guide a pup whose adult size will be 80 lbs the number of calories recommended a day for a  4 months at 38 lbs is 1865 kcals and 6 months and 48 lbs is 1666. 

    So unless I’m  missing somthing it looks like  Shoegoddess123 would need to feed at least twice what is currently being fed.  
    Personally I’d pass on this food. 

  • doggonefedup

    Shoegoddess123,
    They are the Robert Abady Dog Food Company LTD.
    DO NOT FEED A GSD dehydrated or freeze dried foods. Their digestive tract is to sensitive and they will not do well on that type of food. 
     

  • Melissaandcrew

     Aimee-

    I agree-IMo, that is far too little in the kcal department for a growing shepherd pup.

  • Melissaandcrew

    If you are starting out with 5 cups of dry, no matter how much water you mix it with,  you are still only feeding 2.5 cups per dog. Measurements are based on the DRY formula-So if you mix it with 8 cups of water, even if the final volume equals “10 cups” its not-its still 5 cups of food(dry) Please up the amount you are feeding, and reconstitute it separately in the individual bowls to be sure of the amount

  • aimee

    Hi Shoegoddess123,

    I haven’t used Sojos but I took a look at the feeding guidelines. They look a bit odd to me as there isn’t that much diference between their adult and puppy feeding recommendations. Growth requirements are often 2-3 times an adult level.

    What product are you using? The complete I looked at is only 333 calories/cup of dry mix and you are feeding 2.5 cups dry mix a day to each pup, around 800 calories. This seems like too few calories for a 5 month old shephard. How much do your dogs weigh?

  • Anna

    Please check out The Honest Kitchen. It is a dehydrated food that you can add to if you want but don’t have to. (Except for their Preference formula which adding the protein is a must.) We use Honest Kitchen, all formulas, and also Dr. Harveys. Both excellent. I tried Sojos, wasn’t that thrilled with, ok for a once in awhile food but not an everyday thing. In my opinion.

  • Shoegoddess123

    You mentioned “they” having another called Natural Power Formula”. Who are “they”.(What brand)?

  • Shoegoddess123

    I have 2 5 month old GSD’s who were weaned on raw meat. I did not care for throwing down raw meat at each meal and started investigating raw diets and came across dehydrated raws. I chose sojos based on ease of use and benefits to my pups. At first i followed rehydration directions but 2 cups dry and 3.5 cups of water makes soup. So I now add 5 cups dry and 8 cups water to get a days worth for both pups which equals @ 10 cups but it has a better consistency. The problem is it says they should only need 2.5 cups a day each. I feed 5 each per day and they are very thin. I know vets like GSD’s slim but they still act as if they are starving. I am trying to gleen all the info I have read here as I am thinking of trying a new dehydrated food and some you have mentioned, I never found in my online searches. Has anyone tried wynsong? I want high protein and grain free. Any other suggestions?

  • doggonefedup

    They have another frozen called NPF (natural power formula) that is about $4.00/lb completely veggie free except for some sunflower and flaxseed oils. has natural vitamins and minerals.

  • doggonefedup

    It is about $2.59/lb package. It is available in 1lb and 3lb packages. You should be able to get it online or call Abady direct at Toll Free: (877)-99ABADY for a location where it is available in your area.

  • melissa

     Nope, was able to read it just fine. I think the lard might be an issue for my fat sensitive dogs though. How is the pricing for it? I bet it would add weight to a thin dog-

  • Flynn

    This food appears to be all meat with small amount of rice…is it expensive?  I sould love to get results in 10 days…How much do you feed?  Sounds interesting but not available in my immediate area. Nearest large city is Atlanta, GA

  • doggonefedup

    I don’t know if you’ll be able to read the label in the photo, but if you save it to your computer you should be able to zoom it enough to read it.
    Within 10 days of switching my one GSD’s eyes cleared up(no more eye boogers) and he stopped itching and the yeast Oder went away.

  • melissa

    Oh, I am sure many use them interchangeably- thats why I like the claim of 100 percent human grade and would give merit to that, rather than “free range”

  • doggonefedup

    I read either on a label or on the website that all meat and meat products used in Abady foods are from only “100% USDA inspected slaughtered for human consumption animals”

  • doggonefedup

    I think fenced pasture and free range are probably used interchangeably as opposed to trough fed commercialized animal feed.  

  • melissa

     Hi Doggone

    I will have to revisit the website then, since its been over a year since I looked into it.

    One thing-I do not believe that NYS has any “free range cattle”. Most counties have laws prohibiting livestock(and dogs) from roaming at large-which would be the definition of free range. Most cattle farms remaining are (to the best of my knowledge) “pasture fed”-meaning they have a set fenced pasture area in which to graze/eat. The USDA, last time I looked, only defines free range in terms of poultry, so pretty much, any one can call what they want “free range”.

    Since a claim to 100 human grade beef, and free range at that would be a HUGE selling point to many customers, I have to wonder and ponder why they would not put that claim in writing for all to see?

  • aimee

    I agree… The dog I bought it for refused it. I have been mixing it as an occassional topper for the other 2 as I didn’t want to toss it. But I only feed it when hubby isn’t home : )

  • doggonefedup

    melissa,
    When is the last time you looked? I just went to their website and they have posted copies of the labels that are on their product packaging. 

  • doggonefedup

    Melissa,
     No problem. It is on their labels which I could email. I also spoke with several Abady’s people. They will tell you anything you want to know about their foods but they don’t want to list some stuff on a website because for instance, their beef meat meal is 100% beef slaughtered for human consumption USDA inspected and from only beef cows grown locally in New York State. They are free range fed.  Abady does not want that compared to “Pento-beef” or any beef that does not come from human grade USDA beef cows.

  • melissa

    doggone-

    I appreciate the thought and offer! At this time, I figure if one has to go hunting for the ingredients and info, its not something I would use since I have a “thing” about companies having disclosure.When and if they decide this information is pertinent to the consumer, and display it proudly on their website, I might reconsider.

  • melissa

     aimee-

    there is a huge garlic odor from it-one thing that concerned me. I figure however, since its only a topper twice a week, its not a big deal. I think if it was their only food, I might be a bit more concerned about the amounts used.

  • aimee

    My guy wouldn’t eat Grandma Lucy’s either and my husband hated the heavy garlic odor of the diet.

  • aimee

    BryanV21,

    I think I understand what you are saying. I don’t know by what method what companies base their recommended feeding amounts on but I believe it is calories as nutrient levels are tied to the energy density of the diet. 

  • doggonefedup

    melissa,
    I’ll see what I can do.  I am mm1jj2m-at-aol-dot-com if you want send me an email. I’ll send you what I can.

  • melissa

    doggone-

    I looked into Abady’s before(well tried to) and found that its very difficult to get any type of nutritional info/ingredients, even off their own website. I have a problem with that. I would think the ingredients etc would be proudly displayed on the webpage

  • BryanV21

     Yeah, I didn’t mean to say they were wrong, or off by much. Sorry if I accidentally implied that.

  • melissa

     Bryan-

    either way, her figures are pretty darn accurate : ) $51 for NV, 180 for Gl,  definitely between 3-4 times as expensive.

    NV is the first food I have fed that my dobes require “less of”. Usually, they require 4 c a day. NY they look great on 3. The only reason all 3 eat the NV is because the one has to, and if they have “something different” there are issues, lol.

  • doggonefedup

    My boys will not touch any Grandma Lucy’s. I’ve got five different bags. They get finicky with Honest Kitchen and SoJo’s also. I do the KFC (kibble fresh canned) every meal. GL’s they won’t touch, the others they try to dig around. If I use a good 5star kibble no problem. 

  • BryanV21

    I believe that the nutrient content is different as well, so just going by calories may not be the best course of action. I’d rather look at the manufacturer’s feeding recommendations, and go from there to figure out cost.

    Not that that makes the cost of feeding freeze-dried/dehydrated much cheaper, or closer to kibble.

  • doggonefedup

    Oh and close enough to get Abady’s raw foods fresh from the factory (20 min from home) 

  • doggonefedup

    hey Melissa,
    No moose here. turkey, pheasant, quail, coy-dog, coyote, fox, bear, deer, and all the regular varmits. And this year there are about a kagillian rabbits. State of the medical human & animal plus one of the countries top Animal surgens in the country with orthopedic specialty. (only 200 nation wide board certified) and like you lots of breathing room.

  • aimee

    Hi Bryanv21,

    I compare prices on a calorie basis. I used pet directs prices.

    Grandma Lucy’s 3 lb bag Bison is selling for $33.99

    Their website reports 4393 cal/kg of food. This calculated out to $5.60/1000 kcals.

    Fromm Salmon Tunalini 26 lb bag is selling for $68.99

    Their website reports 4156 cal/kg. This calculates out to $1.40/1000 calories.

    If you buy the smallest size of Fromm the cost is
     $1.70/1000

    Grandma Lucy costs 3-4 times more to feed than Fromm

  • melissa

    You and me both. I have no desire to live in NYC at all-heck, I don’t even want to live in any city, truth be told. From here, I have state of the art human and animal medical services with 10 mins, but yet are rural enough to own acreage etc. For about the past 3 or so years, we have even had moose coming through ; )

  • BryanV21

    No, it’s cool. Where I’m from I don’t see myself ever moving back, but it’s a great place to visit/vacation. In that sense I imagine your area is better.

  • doggonefedup

    North of I-84. Far enough away from the city to hunt in my back yard and close enough to see why I wouldn’t want to live any closer. All the wild life you would expect to see in the high mountains and the total lack of noise most of the time. If you listen hard enough you still can’t hear your neighbor cough.  

  • BryanV21

    Meh. Too close to the city. 😉

  • doggonefedup

    I am from the Hudson Valley in New york. Please don’t stop your conversation! I enjoy the way ny’ers think and communicate. We are in a group of our own! Only in New york can we successfully compare apples to oranges….. 

  • melissa

     Outside the good old capitol : ) Not as rural as the Finger Lakes area though!

  • BryanV21

    Nice.

    I’m from the Finger Lakes area, you?

  • melissa

    Bryan-

    Lol. when I read the front as well, when I first started buying it, I was like “cool! 15lbs of food in this tiny bag”..until of course I read the directions, lol

    For my active/problem child, when I tried just Gl,. she ate 3 cups per day-which meant the bag lasted 5 days($30)..so the one month trial was $180 plus tax

    Nature’s variety Instinct, she eats 3 cups per day-ball parking the cups per bag(chicken variety) I got approx 86 cups-which was  about 28days, and breakfast on day 29. Instinct is $49.99 a bag here in upstate NY-I figured about $51 for the month. For a difference of $129 a month, the GL was quite a bit more pricey. I think it would be more economical for “easy keepers” or small dogs. I still feed it as a topper to their kibble though and they love it.

  • BryanV21

    I was waiting until I got to work again to see the bags, and I think I found the problem.

    Grandma Lucy’s bags are kind of deceiving. The front says that a 3lb bag “makes 17lbs of fresh food”, which lead me to think what I thought. That 4 teaspoons of dehydrated, when mixed with water, would equal X cups of food. Or maybe I’m just a fool *shrugs*.

    But yes… the back of the bag of Bison Grandma Lucy’s says that a 50# dog would require up to 2 1/2 cups of “flakes”, which is THEN mixed with water. The savings seems to come from it being higher in calories (etc), and therefore not require as much as kibble.

    For example, Fromm Salmon Tunalini has a similar protein and fat content as Grandma Lucy’s Bison. But instead of feeding a 50# dog 2 1/2 cups of Grandma Lucy’s, you’d have to feed around 3 cups of Fromm.

    So while the Grandma Lucy’s is still more expensive to feed, it’s not SO much more expensive.

  • melissa

    Okay, let me try again-

    Next time you are at work, pull out a bag of dehydrated food(take Grandma Lucy for example) its feeding directions are based on DRY measurement.

    For a 60-70lb dobe, I measure out 3 cups DRY for an active dog. Then I add 1 to 1 1/2 cups of water to each cup of the dry. If I wait 10 mins, and then attempt to remeasure the food, it is going to measure out at a larger volume then the original 3 cups powder(simple logic-it expanded). What I am saying is, if someone attempts to reconstitute it and then measure it, they will “think” they are giving the proper 3 cups, but its not equal in nutrition.

    So the answer to the question you asked is -once reconstituted, volume wise, there is more food, but nutrionally, its still the same old 4 teaspoons

    Sojo’s has the one that you add meat to, however, none of the products I have seen say to feed such a small amount as 4 teaspoons.

    And yes, its very expensive. MY dobe would eat 3 cups DRY per day, the bag ofGL holds 15 cups DRY-5 days worth of food for $30

  • BryanV21

    Huh? You’re losing me. You say he is only feeding 4 teaspoons per day, then go on to say “which of course makes ‘more’ food then the original 2 cups dry”. Which is it? Is 4 teaspoons of Sojo’s (or whatever dehydrated/freeze-dried) the same as 4 teaspoons of food, or is 4 teaspoons of of Sojo’s more than 4 teaspoons of food?

    Either way, 2 cups of dehydrated/freeze-dried food does not equal 2 cups of food. If that were the case, then Sojo’s, Honest Kitchen, and others would be even more expensive than they already are.Not to mention that some varieties of Sojo’s do not include meat, which he may be adding to equal more food.

  • melissa

    Bryan-

    Since the dehydrated foods are measured before mixing with water, he is still only feeding 4 teaspoons per day.  For example, if my dobe were to get 2 cups per day, that is two cups of the POWDER, then add water, which of course makes “more” food then the original 2 cups dry(but its the proper amount based on the dry measurement)

  • BryanV21

    I believe he’s saying it’s two teaspoons BEFORE mixing it with water, making the total amount of food being fed more.

  • Bres0123

     4 teaspoons a day , total? She’s slowly starving to death!

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  • Flynn

    I checked with Dave’s Petfoods, HiTekRations, and a Dr. who has a site on coton’s, plus of course Diamond, and all told me the cost was not a factor..but now i am curious…AGAIN…I will check  thank you for this..it would make a difference in where I purchased my foods..
    Does the Dogfood advisor have anything to say about this?

  • Kaliberknl

     Neither Champion (Acana/Orijen) nor Fromm source their vitamins from China.  Wellness claims they “must buy taurine and vitamin C from China.”  Another manufacturer claims they “must buy some B vitamins from China.”  I suspect cost is the deciding factor.

  • Flynn

    Anna, from what I hear Folic Acid, Taurine, and certain other supplements MUST come from CHINA..human or pet grade..they have been outsourced to CHINA so any company must use them…and if you are taking the supplements yourself, you are taking a product from CHINA…Hope the owner will step in here and confirm what I have researched.  I am surprised this is not widely reported.
    I tried this product today mixed with my dog’s other foods, one dog who usually eats everything actually picked out what I think is the turkey and put it on the floor…I don’t believe it..he eats EVERYTHING..until now.  My other dog ate it all..she has tear stains and I am hoping the change to SOJO will help her.

  • Anna

    Bjohnson: I just opened our 1st bag of Sojos Turkey Complete. Got it for some variety….but it will prob. be the last simply because of the ingredients from China…no need to get it from there. For the last 4 yrs. our dogs have been eating The Honest Kitchen (all varieties), Dr. Harveys and homemade once in awhile time permitting. They have been doing great on these. I do add extra protein to Honest Kitchen (and greek yogurt) most of the time but if I don’t have time I still feel good about feeding it. You have to add the protein w/Dr. Harveys as it is not complete. Kudos to you for doing this on your own! Switching off dry food will be a BIG bonus for your dog!

  • Kat

    My three dogs have been on a Sojos diet for almost two months now. We rotate between turkey and beef, adding some Sojos fruit & veggie mix, plus whatever veggies (organic) we have on hand, like broccoli, carrots, salad greens, etc. my three LOVE it! My puppy was a picky eater, now he’s the first one done and cleans up what scraps are left from the others. Stool is healthy and firm. My oldest is maintaining a healthy weight and is acting like a pup, we struggled keeping her at a healthy weight while on kibble. I see more meat than potatoe or anything else. I only wish I would’ve started this diet years ago. I recommend Sojos and going grain free to everyone I know.

  • melissa

    Don-

    Are you feeding the Sojos COMPLETE? If so, you should be feeding a dog up to 12 lbs 1/2 cup of the DRY MIX per day. This means, measure it DRY, put the half cup of dry mix in her bowl and THEN ADD THE PROPER AMOUNT OF WATER.Where you got two teaspoons from has left me scratching my head, but at that amount, you are seriously underfeeding her.

    Watch her weight, and do not allow her to loose too quickly. You may think 5lbs, but at her size, that is about 1/3 of her body weight and she probably does not need to loose that much-

    If you are feeding the Sojo original or the other kind, then the directions are for the dry powder portion first, and THEN it appears you add two teaspoons of MEAT to that powder mix, then add your water.

  • Don Bartels

    We have a 10 yr old female spaded “Shitzoo”, (thank you) she is wonderful everything as far as the owners & neighbors are concerned.
    She is a daily traveller with me (male) to  professional offices and is accepted immediately. A social wonder! Never a slobber, urine, or feces problelm. – We love her! (you can tell!)
    She, is not overly active as a 10 year old but plays a lot and loves attention. She is 14 lbs and a small frame. My estimate, she could drop 5 lbs and look like a “teenager” We are not concerner about the “teenager look” we are concerned about the solid entra 5 lbs that could be a drain on her entire system.
    I have read – re-read your mixining directions and feeding amounts and CAN NOT  for the like of me understand the portioins I should be feeding her.  Presently feeding her 2x per day. (two teaspoons per meal) She continues to desire more food.  From the directions on your packages I feel awful feeding her such a small amount. I am a slow learner so please advise if I have mis-read the directions for our family dog. (Sojos grain free w/ turkey).  14 lbs looking for 10 lbs!
    Thank you so much for your concerns for her comfort!
    djb

  • Jane

    I cook for my dogs too, but right now my dad is sick and it is one of the things I dont have time to do all the time. I did some research, and decided to try this for the first time today, and my dogs gobbled it up. So, as long as it doesnt bother their systems, we are sticking with it.

  • Alexandra

    Bjohnson,

    This food is very carb heavy. Potato chunks not surprising as it is the first ingredient in this food.

    Being in a similar situation, where my vet wasn’t much help, I have a German Shepherd that has a Candida yeast infection.

    My dog has about a 95% improvement from Brothers Complete dog food. Info available on this site or you can go to http://brotherscomplete.com

    I would look for a higher protein and lower carbs.

    Has the dog been medicated for anything? If so what was he given?
    How is his stool?
    Missing hair?
    Frequent itching?

  • Bjohnson

    Can someone help answer some questions I have about this Sojos.  I tried the Turkey variety.  My dog seems to really like it, but omg, he is pooping more than twice as much as before.  Does this mean he’s not digesting it properly and thus not getting the nutrients he shoud be getting?  It does seem low on meat.  In fact, the second bag I bought hardly had any turkey and mostly broccoli.  The other bag had mostly sweet potatoes chunks.  I bought this because my dog has been tested for food allergies (while he was eating dry kibble).  Tests show he was allergic to potatoes and peas and to some extent certain grains  + chicken. Like another poster said so many of the supposedly “good” kibble has peas and potatoes – actually almost all kibble has one or the other.  I’m at a loss as to what to do/what to feed him.  It’s winter, and he’s breaking out in hives and itching like crazy, so it can’t be pollen.  The vet has been of little help.  I’m at wits end here.  Another big concern I have is that I just read on another board that the veggies for this stuff are imported from CHINA !  How can they say made in the USA/Minnesota when the stuff is coming from China? Coming from China, who knows, this could be next to poison. 

  • Kimijo7558

    I LOVE this type of food.  I have two rescue poodles, both had to have their rotted teeth removed and this type of food is wonderful.  Not only is it easy for them to eat, their health & energy levels have increased tremendously.  Their feces are minimal and normal.  The 12 year old poodle went from 14 lbs. to 9 lbs. in a few months!  The 3 year old poodle has maintained her weight at 6 lbs.  I am so glad we found this palatable and nutricious food! 

  • monkey

    I don’t think any of us have a problem with peas and broccoli. I just prefer to feed a meat based diet, not a sweet potato one. As you can see the, the “robot” reviewing the food still recommends it.

    It’s awesome that you cook for your dogs, really!

  • Herbivoraciously yours

    I totally agree.  Sojos is one of the best foods on the market.  I personally cook for my four dogs but when I can’t, or when I travel, they get Sojos because it is the closest thing to my home-cooked food that I can buy commercially and that is easy to prepare.  I feel like a robot or computer is reviewing dog foods on this site – broccoli and peas have a ton of protein in them – higher quality protein than animal protein.  I add a glug of Udo’s oil to the mix as well (and I take a swig myself).  Sometimes I also add some quick-cooking oatmeal in the mix for fiber and even more protein, but my dogs can handle grains.  Why I have found is that what they cannot handle is too much animal protein, it gives them loose stools and a bad coat.  At 27 the world’s oldest dog is vegan, so that pretty much proves that giving dogs more animal protein does not necessarily mean they will be healthier!

  • Marie

    Pea and potatoes, when used appropriately, are not ‘cheap filler’ in higher quality foods, they are necessary as a starch source to bind the dough together that makes kibble. Also, many animals that are allergic to specific cooked meats are not always allergic to them if fed raw. I’m glad Sojos works for your corgi (I love corgis, by the way!) though!

  • Hi Wendy,

    Sorry you disagree with my findings.

    However, the facts speak for themselves. The average protein content (on a dry matter basis) for the more than 2,000 thousand kibbles in our database is 28%.

    And the average dry matter fat content is 17%.

    The figures reported on Sojos own government regulated label are 25% protein (dry matter) and only 9% fat – significantly below average for all the dry dog foods in our database.

    These percentages provide the basis for my current rating of 3.5 stars.

    Sojos is still one of our recommended dog foods. However, based upon the company’s own label data, this suggests a below-average meat content in these recipes.

  • Wendy

    Well color me confused.  I used to think DogFoodAdvisor was a good rating source.  Now I’m not so sure.  I don’t understand how they can say it (Sojos Turkey or Beef) doesn’t contain enough protein, when the guaranteed analysis right on the bag has figures about the same as the premium kibbles out there.  My experience so far using Sojos Turkey has been great!  After getting comprehenvise allergy testing done on our 4yr old Corgi, we found he has terrible food and some pollen allergies.  Namely, he is highly allergic to both peas and white potatoes, which are found in ALL the premium 5-star kibbles as cheap filler.  He’s also allergic to chicken and other stuff.  After reading every dang label on every bag of kibble at our local pet food warehouse (and they sell all the good brands), we found exactly ONE that he could eat.  A lamb based Solid Gold.  He didn’t much care for it, and it still had ingredients he was mildly allergic too.  I went back and the lady suggested trying Sojos, as he isn’t allergic at all to any of the ingredients.  At first I was concerned about the price, and feeding raw meat gross, but I bought a small bag out of desperation.  I was concerned it would smell terrible, but really mostly what I smell is the broccoli, and that’s ok.  We transitioned quickly as our Corgi loved it soooo much and was having no GI problems with it.  He’s exited about eating again, and absolutely goes nuts with glee at breakfast and dinner time, running to the bowl and chowing like he hasn’t eaten in a week.  He has way more energy, seems happier, isn’t licking his paws and scatching all the time.  Dandruff and hives problem is gone, and his coat is soft and full.  Also, the bad breath is way better, and overall, he just smells fresher.  I’m so glad I found this food, and hope they don’t change it.  Really great thing is we live in the Twin Cities, and it just happens to be a local company too.  The vet recommend we give a multivitamin daily as well as a Nordic Natural Pet Omega 3 oil capusule which I break open with a pin and squeeze onto the food.  I’m off to the store for another bag.  Thanks Sojos !

  • @Me

    I read your two posts and I’m honestly sorry to hear that you came away with such a negative impression of us. I truly strive to conduct myself in the most honest, ethical, and transparent way possible in every aspect of my business. It’s the only way I can sleep at night 🙂 Honestly I have no recollection of a meeting of any kind with a peer in the industry or anyone else where there was any “bashing” of other companies. As a practice it’s just something that I do don’t do. And I certainly hope that I didn’t have any meetings with anyone where they came away feeling that I acted rudely. I do hope that you would contact me via email or phone so that I could have the opportunity to clear the air. Thank you.

  • Hi Sandy, Mel, Gordon,

    Good posts! Detox! A subject I’m intimately familiar with. Both Sandy and Gordon are correct. Many dogs will transition without a problem. Some will get diarrhea, some will get more. I tend to side on the “do it quick” unless you have been feeding a very high quality grain free/potato free kibble.

    Does that seem backwards? Let me explain. If you aren’t feeding them the GFPF, what your putting into them will have a net negative result. The more of the nasty stuff you put in, the more you’re going to get detox. In treating the toxically injured the first thing to do is stop exposing them to toxins. (diet and environment) So if you’ve just learned all the demerits of what you were feeding (like if it was a 2 star) get them off of it as quickly as you safely can. Have high quality bone meal on hand to control the runs… I have detox symptoms. They are called Herksheimer’s. They’re a real booger! The good news is that they tend to come out in stages, as the bodies able to handle it. Don’t be surprised if your pet appears to be “detoxing again” several days, weeks or months later. The body will initiate detox when it has the reserves available to do it.

    If you, like Sandy were feeding your pet an excellent kibble anyway, take as long as your pet needs to do it comfortably.
    🙂

  • sandy

    Mel,

    Just depends on the dog. All 4 of mine did not have problems, but they were already eating a high protein grain free kibble for quite some time to begin with. I’m not sure if that helped with transitioning them or not.

  • Gordon

    Nasty side effects are unlikely but possible. You can choose to transition slowly or just make the sudden switch. Dr. Lonsdale recommends just making the sudden switch and if any negative reaction occurs it is usually just temporary stomach upset and lasts briefly if at all, when the dog gets its deserved naturally intended diet.

  • Mel

    When starting a dog on raw, will they actually get the nasty side effects that I have been reading about because of detoxing?

  • Shawna

    Checked in before heading off to bed — Yep Terry, Mike is a pretty important guy here… Mike owns the site and writes the great reviews and articles. 🙂

    Mike — Thanks for the heads up. Appreciate it!!

  • Terry

    Mike, you sound like an important person 🙂 and highlighted in blue (obviously, I’m new here, but have observed from time to time). Thanks for your safety info as I was the one who asked to contact this person.

    Enjoy this site and the helpful info it provides!! Our canine kids are very special 🙂

  • Hi Shawna… The reason you don’t want to leave your actual email address in standard format on any forum, blog or website is because the Internet if awash with robotic “scrapers”.

    These illicit crawlers regularly visit websites to harvest email addresses which they then turn around and sell to spammers.

    A good way to not get noticed is to never post your email in a format the scrapers can easily identify. So, emails can be written like simple words. For example, “xxx at xxx.com”. The human on the receiving end then converts these “words” into their common format. Hope this helps.

  • Shawna

    Hey Mel — Lew Olson is a dog nutritionist and also a Rottie breeder. She’d probably be a good source of info on feeding a pregnant dog. She’s a raw meat and bones advocate but mentions special vitamins that should (and should not) be added to the diet while pregnant.. At the bottom of the second column is her contact info. May be worth checking out — http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/nutrition-and-the-brood-bitch-december-2010/

  • Terry

    Thanks so much Shawna!! Have some excellent quality time with your kid and grandkids!! Your expertise in the dog world is exceptional and your friendship is refreshing! 🙂

  • Shawna

    Awww Terry that is awfully sweet of you to say. 🙂 There actually is a way to reach me just to chat and talk shop or whatever 🙂 I’m not sure why but people don’t put full email addresses on here, but rather break them up — the beginning of the address to reach me is shawnadfaemail@ followed by yahoo.com.. I’m not going to be on much yet tonight – my daughter and grandkids are on their way over. AND my phone is charging but email me tomorrow or any time after… That is one thing I miss about Healthy Pets — the ability to chat off forum.

  • Gordon

    Not to mention that cartilage is also rich in chondroitin. Another important molecule for joint health.

    I just read your post above mine, Mel, and if your bitch is pregnant then forget the ’15 minute take the bowl away’ method!

    You’ll have to feed it what it enjoys most, being chicken heart, mixed with a good plant based supplement, in the case to balance it out with enough vitamins and nutrients. Try chicken liver as well, f you haven’t and crush raw eggs shells really finely, and add it to the chicken heart, so that she won’t be able to tell and receive calcium at the same time. Unfortunately, you’ll need to try all or some of the above of which some will be trial and error.

    Some weeks after she has the pups, then you could retrain her using the ’15 minute take the bowl away method’.

    For what any of this is worth, I hope your dog well and good luck!

  • Gordon

    Mel – Heart is a muscle in all mammals. It is one that never renews its cells during the entire life of the animal and is probably the most nutrient dense muscle in the body. It is one of the offal/organs that you’d definitely want to feed mixed with meaty offcuts. However, to get your dog to eat what you want it to eat, I’ve stated the following in the past so many times that I will now just refer you to the most recent time I stated the following, of which is a tactic you can use to slowly train your dog in eating what you want…http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/nutro-natural-choice-dog-food-dry/#comment-42764

    This is not a new tactic. It’s been around as a method for a long time and many people find it very successful including me. Do this one at a time to introduce a number of different raw meaty bones (All RMB’s contains the natural calcium to phosphorus ratio, as well as protein, cartilage (glucosamine rich – great for joint health etc) and other minerals and vitamins.

    If you’d like more info, just respond asking so, because I don’t want to drag on and waste text space if it falls on deaf ears, lol.

  • Mel

    Shawna, my dog is pregnant, and she is eating very little. I know that this is normal, but I still want to make sure that she eats enough to develop the pups properly and to make sure she is able to nurse. So dry food is completely out cause she will not even take one kibble. The reason for me kinda wanting to stay with kibble is because I have 4 kids and 3 dogs. It is cheaper, and cleaner. But with that being said, I gotta feed my pregnant girl something. So other than chicken hearts is there something else that she may love, that has lots of flavor and easy to chew for her? something that will give her enough vitamins. I have been able to get the occasional frozen pets 4 life raw patties down her. She should be having at leat 4 a day, but she will not do more than 2, sometimes only 1 or none depending on the day. Any advise? Anyone?

  • Terry

    Shawna,
    The Pepsid was prescribed because of the kd. The vet I was going to when she was diagnosed with cancer left the state. Now probably have to go thru hoops to get blood draws, records, refills on script, etc.
    Sure wish there was a way to contact you differently to just ‘chat’. Know you probably have many followers and have to be selective. You’re quite a gal and not just because of the dog knowledge. Don’t know how you do all that you do!!!

  • Shawna

    Protor and Gamble buying out the makers of Innova has created a lot of dissatisfaction. As of right now (supposedly) the formulations have not been changed but could be in the future..

    This is a great site for info huh 🙂

    Pepsid — is she having tummy troubles?

  • Terry

    Hi Shawna! So glad you saw my post! I don’t know specifically what her levels are, but am sure I can get them from the vet. They did a urine sample – actually I got it for them with the little tray quickly under her as she peed! Oh, vet also told me to give her ‘Pepsid’ – 30mg per day.
    I did see on this site that lower protein may not be necessary for kd. Sammy’s on Innova Senior now but may have to change due to seeing some unsavory stuff about it on here. Back at the computer again for more info. Shoulders are starting to ache again 🙁
    Maybe if enough of us state we want the forum to continue, they’ll think about it. Worth a try anyway.

  • Shawna

    HI Terry!!!

    OMGosh — cancer and kd!!! UGHHH.. Do you know what the blood work values were for BUN and Creatinine? Did your vet check urine specific gravity and do a urine culture and was there any blood found in the urine samples… Depending on what was found you may not need to go low protein — ESP if there are no outward symptoms. In fact, unless Sammy has protein in the urine going low protein is NOT a good idea — especially with the looming cancer.

    Glad you were able to get my reply… I’ve had several people contact me and I can’t be sure they received my reply..?? I think you will like this site. I’ve also heard the forum is closing — can still read but new posts are ending..

    Gotta run!! Chat more soon…

    Oh, as new people post comments the older activity in “Recent Comments” along the right side goes away and can’t be seen again.. If you leave me a comment and I don’t reply it is because I didn’t log on and see it before it disappeared.. I try to check with my phone off and on throughout the day but I’ve noticed I still miss things..

  • Terry

    Hi Shawna – thanks for the link to reach you (Alaska Canines here). Don’t know what’s going on over there. Someone with support is looking into it. I also heard they’re ending the forum – big bummer!!
    Sammy is now in early stages of kidney disease and the vet said to lower her protein. No physical signs of the cancer or the kidney disease, except that she’s licking her belly enough to cause matts to develop.
    Have missed ‘chatting’ with you!
    Terry

  • Shawna

    Hi Mel — Gordon will have more info but to get started. Chicken and turkey necks already have fairly small bones. My 5 pound dogs down the bone in a chomp chomp (a lot of cartlidge between the bones).. My 9 pound dog got a turkey neck bone lodged in her tooth once but was able to get it off after the initial scare (her scare not mine) and finished the neck off. Crushing them, imo, would make them too small to properly chew but possibly to large to properly digest…?? Just a thought..

    Heart is both muscle and organ. An organ becuase it pumps blood and therefore has a function in the body. But, it is also a muscle in that when compared to (what we traditionally think of as) muscle it is the same make up. Hearts, only, would be deficient in calcium as well as other necessary nutrients. Good as a topper but not as the entire diet.

    Sorry just re-read and saw your bone question.. You can supplement with bonemeal or egg shells. Bonemeal (tested to be contaminant free and human grade) — some feel that dogs can become deficient (slightly) in phosphorus if not fed bone or bonemeal. The amount to give varies depending on the product purchased — different ones have different amounts of calcium/phos.

  • Mel

    So far the only thing that she really loves is chicken hearts. Now is that concidered meat, or organ, some people are saying that it is a muscle meat, and if it is meat can this be the main source of protien?
    Sorry for all the questions, just want to do this right. Any other food I try to give her I have to sit with her and really work at it for her to even try it. Heart go down like candy for her.
    If she will not eat the bones, is there something else I can substitute with to get the same nutrients that she would get in bone?

  • Mel

    would it be a bad idea if I took a chicken neck, and hammered into tiny peices of meat with the bone pretty much is tiny peices? My dog will not eat neck the way it is, or would this be bad? I thought that if I at least make sure that there are no big peices of sharp bone it may be ok.
    Also, it seems like my dog is being picky with the raw food as well, how about adding some veggies in baby food jars for taste?”

  • Shawna

    I wish Sojo’s would up the protein in their foods… They have the same “amount” of protein as Science Diet for crying out loud.. Granted Sojo’s uses a much much better source but sill awful low — especially for a freeze dried raw diet.
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/hills-science-diet-natures-best/

  • Me

    @Jake.
    I can understand from a consumer standpoint how you would arrive at this conclusion. I am merely speaking from business to business. I don’t respect ‘bashing’ competitors to another peer in the industry. I met with them at their office, and wasn’t impressed with the professional approach from the female owner. At one point she accused me of being a spy for another company. I was venting a bit since it was a recent interaction and I left with a bad taste in my mouth from the experience. Regardless, it’s not the fault of the product….I know the product is high quality and definitely worthy of accolades. At the end of the day it is the purchasing power of the consumer who makes the company successful.

  • sandy

    HERE’S A RECIPE:

    http://www.mypetsfriend.com/

  • Gordon

    Ok, I’ll check out both amazon and mercola.healthypets.com for her book.

  • Gordon

    Lol Toxed. I thought as much re your “Lonquist” error meant to be Lonsdale. but just wanted to be sure so in case there was another famous vet from say Sweden, who’s name is “Lonquist” that I didn’t know about? Get it? Lonquist and Sweden? Oh never mind….I’m into tennis so I had Thomas Enqvist pop in my when I saw your generated typo of “Lonquist”, lol.

  • Gordon,
    I used to be an avid reader. When I got poisoned I couldn’t even be around printed material. It volatizes toxic chemicals, benzene & toluene. So, when I could I got an iPad; It’s almost like reading a real book, again.

    “Lonquist” is the stupid auto correct on the iOS 5 update that’s been giving me fits! I typed Lonsdale, I swear! Errrg!

  • sandy

    The book is on Amazon.com or healthypets.mercola.com

  • Mel, Gordon is right. Toxins are poisons. They can be inhaled, eaten or absorbed through the skin, eyeballs, mucus membranes. I’ve studied environmental and dietary toxins. I have to, trace exposures, even 3rd hand can kill me. So, I removed anything that I know to be toxic, from everything I do. I have no immune system.

  • Gordon

    No problem Toxed. Who is Lonquist, BTW? I haven’t heard of him or her before.

    I actually plan to buy a hard copy of Becker’s book. It’s nice to read others perspectives and suggested recipes. I prefer hard copies over e-books, because I like her feel of actually holding the book and turning the pages when reading. Dr. Lonsdale has his books available via e-book versions and you guys had a chance to get them at a cheaper price in a short period a week ago when the Aussie dollar fell below parity with the US dollar. Now my dollar is above and stronger again, lol.

    I actually have an email subscription with the Mercola site, but never could be bothered opening up their Newsletters. I’ll have a look at some interesting ones that grab my attention. Also what is the quickest link to order Dr. Becker’s hard copy book? Thankfully, a book doesn’t have to be gamma irradiated, not go through international hoops like food sources when imported in Australia, lol.

  • Gordon

    Mel – She’ll no doubt answer you indepth on that, being an apparent toxicity expert. But the short of it, toxicity means poison, basically.

  • sandy

    (14.5 oz) 1 – 3/4+ cups lean boneless chicken thigh no skin
    (1.5 oz) 3 Tb chicken liver (may replace with chicken gizzards)
    Grind or chop meat ingredients and mix well.

    Veggie Mix:
    (12 oz) 1 – 1/2 cups zucchini
    (4 oz) 1/2 cup apple (or unsweetened applesauce)
    (12 oz) 1 – 1/2 cup cooked sweet potato
    Makes 3 – 1/2 cups

    Combine 3 parts meat mix to 1 part veggie mix.
    1 – 1/2 cups meat + 1/2 cup of veggies

    Meat can be cooked if prefered. This is not a complete diet. It still needs vitamins and minerals. Look at Natures Logic. They have a whole food supplement that includes calcium. http://www.natureslogic.com/products/fortifier.html

    AND consult your vet!!

    Some people feed boiled chicken and rice for a couple days when their dogs get an upset tummy. But it is not a complete diet either and is not meant for long term feeding. Or Chicken and a bag of cooked frozen vegetables. Will your dog eat canned food??

  • Mel

    Toxed2loss. What is toxicity?

  • Mel

    There is so much to learn and so much to look up. Is there anything that I can do right away, just for now, as my dogs are not eating.
    I need a very simple recipe that is easy, but gives my dogs all the nutrients they need for now till I can get more research done, on recipes and more. I just really want them to eat, it is driving me crazy that they are not eating right now. One cause she is pregnant, and the other cause he is a rescue and not used to eating and is super picky. PLEASE! just one recipe to start them asap. There are so many on the internet that I don’t know what to do. I just want something fast and easy to get them started asap. Thanks a bunch.

  • Oh, shoot! I also am eagerly awaiting Dr. Becker’s book Real Food for Dogs and Cats to come out in an e-version. If anyone sees that give me a heads up?!

  • Sorry “Gordon,” having co-ordination issues today!

  • Hi Mel,
    I had those questions when I switched, so at that time I compiled a list of raw dog food recipes for myself. Unfortunately, at one point, I got so toxed I could barely see, comprehend or think, so I edited out all the extraneous stuff (links) as it was less confusing. It happens some times.

    I have of course changed all the recipes, for toxicity, my pre-eminant issue, but have left in the references from the original sites, Pitcairn, Lonquist, Billinghurst (look at that Gotdon, and I didn’t even realize!) It might be a good place to start… I pasted them up on my blog, “aftertoxicinjury.blogspot.com” if you would like to take a look at them.

  • sandy

    Here is one site that gives “tips” on feeding amounts http://www.primalpetfoods.com/education/calc

    My pugs would eat 1 patty a day. They’re 23 lbs.

    Here’s a site with many links regarding homemade diets. I haven’t personally used any of these recipes but am using a book “Real Food for Healthy Dogs and Cats” by Dr Becker for when I make my own food.

    http://www.ehow.com/search.html?s=homemade+dog+diet&skin=corporate&t=all

    http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/real-food-for-healthy-dogs-and-cats-cookbook.aspx

  • Mel

    Oh yeah, also need to know how much to feed them? That is why a site that gives alot of recipe idea’s as well as feeding guideline for raw would be good cause I heard that you need to be really carefull when feeding raw, I know as far as cleaning things because that is just normal, but I just need to make sure that I am not harming my babies in any way when feeding raw.
    thanks again

  • Mel

    Shawna, so would you say it is ok to switch to raw/freeze dried/homecooked without having to add in the kibble? I just do not want them to get any problems from switching to quickly.
    Can anyone suggest any websites that would give me raw food recipe’s that I can use on a daily basis, as well wondering what the cost of raw food would be for a 10 pound dog?
    Thanks

  • Shawna

    Mel,

    IMO the whole mixing of meat and kibble is a marketing scheme to keep dogs on kibble. I foster dogs and have had several go through that had digestive disorders. I usually feed a combo of kibble and raw. I feed my own raw and know the benefits and want it for my fosters too. BUT, rescue wants them on kibble so the transition to new adoptors home is smooth. So I feed both.

    What I have noticed with the dogs with digestive issues — the meat they get digests in about 2 hours where as kibble can still be vomitted up (as whole kibble) up to 12 to 18 hours after eating it.. This has happened with two different dogs. The “excitement” vomitting was so bad with one dog that I refused to continue fostering if I couldn’t feed him exclusively raw.. I was allowed and although he would still vomit it was always predigested liquid or simply the water he drank — no more whole food (for the other dogs to try to eat—– GROSS)…

    Not saying that you won’t have transition pains — but I honestly believe its not from the dehydrated, freeze dried or raw food but rather damage done from the kibble in the first place. Just my opinion 🙂

  • Mel

    I have read a lot lately about raw foods, and home cooked foods and I am still trying to make up my mind. However, I did buy Sojos a couple days ago, I have one papillon that I just rescued, he is underweight but a very picky eater, and I have a pregnant yorkie-poo that is not eating and also has been having problems with her paws, she has fungal infections, from what I have read it could be due to wheat allergies.
    So my question is, I am trying to get them strictly on raw/homecooked, but I have read that mixing the kibble and raw food is not good because they digest differently and the meat can be left in the system too long, making the dog sick. But it is suggestion on the back on sojo’s to mix them together and slowly going to just raw. I do not know what to do. Any suggestions would be great. Also can feeding some raw, and some homecooked be a bad idea?

  • Jake

    @Kerri – Hi, I feed Sojos and can see how you would be confused by this, but it is pretty easy after the first time feeding it. Just take the 1 cup dry, mix it with 1.5 cups water, let it soak, feed half in the morning and half at night. I actually make a batch each morning and then it is always ready to serve.

    @ME – I met the owners of Sojos at a show and it is why I feed their food. They are down to earth people, family owned business, and continue to make food the way it should be. They do have a superior product, especially to any kibble (or cooked food).

  • Me

    The people who own the company are rude and feel their product is superior to all others. In fact they will dismiss competitor brands to clients…shouldn’t they know this is a “no-no”. Maybe a business 101 class is needed. I don’t think highly of them or their product and would not want to help their company profits. There are so many other brands to choose from – and brands who have great people behind the brand.

  • Hi Kerri… I can see how it would be easy to be confused about these instructions. Unfortunately, this website does not currently evaluate dog food pre-mixes (like Sojos). If the package’s instructions aren’t clear enough, you’ll probably need to contact the Sojos customer service for the correct answer.

    Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers. Wish I could be more help.

  • Kerri

    Mike, I am extremely confused on the feeding guidelines for Sojos. I have a 28 lb adult dog and per the feeding instructions, it states to mix 1 cup Sojos with 1.5 cups of water and 1/2 cup meat. After it is mixed is where I am getting confused. Do I feed just the 1 cup of the mix or the entire mix for a daily feeding? I think Im the only one with this question as I can’t find it anywhere. I have two adult dogs that I am feeding and want to make sure that while I am feeding them the best diet possible, I am also getting the best food for the amount of money spent. Am I reading something incorrectly?

  • Hi Bonnie… Since much of our rating system depends on estimating the meat content of a dog food, I’m currently unable to find a fair and reliable way to evaluate pre-mixes (like Sojos). Wish I could be more help.

  • Bonnie

    I use the Sojos grain-free fruit and veggies mix, the one where you add your own raw meat to. I would like to know if this one has a better rating because you have to add your own meat to it. What does DFA think?

  • Hi Susan… No, the Sojos dry product does not appear to be similar to either the NV raw or NV dry kibble. The NV labels suggest a notably higher meat content. Unfortunately, I cannot provide customized product comparisons for each reader. For more help, please check the relevant reviews and visit our FAQ page. Look for the topic, “Help Me Choose a Dog Food”. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers.

  • Susan

    I recently moved to Puerto Rico and have 3 dogs (active and herding types) I have been feeding them instinct raw for about 3 years (recently started augmenting w dry instinct). The dogs do extremely well on this diet, and i am worried (really worried) since I can’t seem to get it here, either in the store or shipped (i would be happy with the dry…). I saw Sojos at the health food store – and found your review. Is that a similar food – and potential replacement?

  • Ann

    Could you plllease delete my really name.PLEASE…

  • Ann

    OMG! Thank you soo much for deleting that!!! I was freaking out when i realized what i did!

  • Michelle

    Wendy Sanders, this is a dog food review site. You need to contact the manufacturer of Sojo’s. Here is their site. 🙂 http://www.sojos.com/

  • Weny Sanders

    I am requesting samples please. I have three very picky dachshunds and like to try before i buy. Thanks so much. My mailing address is [address deleted by editor to protect commentator’s privacy].

  • Mondae

    Hi I have just started to feed my Olde English Bulldogge a mix of TOTW & SoJo’s Turkey. He developed epilepsy at 9 months old. He is now 15 months old. I am using it in hopes of the “cooling protein” may help with the epilepsy. I had considered holistic blend but they have rosemary and additive I am not partial to with him having seizures. I have found that it makes my dogs VERY gassy though! have you had this same feed back with other customers???

  • Hi Vickilynne… Both of the dog foods you mention in your comment are very good products. However, due to the biological uniqueness of each pet, it’s impossible for me (or anyone) to link your dog’ diet had anything to do with the health issues you describe. Wish I could be more help.

  • Vickilynne

    Ooops – that food I’m supplementing with is Freshpet Select (sorta got the name wrong). 🙂

  • Vickilynne

    To both Mike and Ward –
    I switched my four male dachshunds over to Sojo’s complete about 9 months ago, and noticed a HUGE improvement in their weight. The oldest, a rescue who came to us at 22 pounds, slimmed down to a very healthy 17 pounds in only five months. The other three were much closer to their ideal weight and have pretty much maintained. Overall, we are really pleased with this food and the guys are crazy about it! I have started suplementing it with some FreshSelect each meal as one of the boys started to look a little on the thin side. Is it possible, that after years of feeding them what I now realize was less than optimal commercial kibble, healthier food wasn’t be absorbed properly at first?

  • Hi Ward… Thanks for leaving this informative comment. I’m always surprised more manufacturers don’t stop by to answer the many questions posted in our discussions.

    Thanks to your input, I’ve edited my review to reflect the information you shared with us here. However, I’d like to make the following points.

    First, the reason we could not share your product’s AAFCO life stage recommendation is that I could not find this information posted anywhere on your website. I would hope that in the future you would consider adding it to your product description there.

    Next, your label (as publicly posted on the Sojos website) does not include the qualifier “freeze dried” anywhere on your description of the turkey. Your published ingredients only includes the phrase “USDA turkey”). This is an important benefit of your ingredients. So, I’d suggest using the more informative version of this item on your website’s list.

    And lastly, since most manufacturers (including Sojos) do not usually publish the carbohydrate content of their food, we’re left with no choice but to “estimate” the carb content using simple math.

    If the carb content is as low as you claim here (about 17%), then your protein and fat must be (by simple math) much higher than you’re willing to “guarantee” on your label. This would imply there’s more meat present in your product than the 25% dry matter basis protein content your label implies.

    However, as my review still states, your posted protein and fat figures suggest the presence of only a moderate amount of meat. Until your Guaranteed Analysis (protein and fat minimums) reflects higher relative proportions, your product (when compared to others in our database) appears to contain only a below-average amount of meat.

    Once again, I really appreciate your participation here. And helping to clear up some of the issues mentioned in my review and our subsequent discussion. Please return to answer questions whenever you’d like. 🙂

  • I am the owner of Sojos and stumbled upon this. After reading the review and subsequent comments, I can help to clear up a few things.

    Our meat is FREEZE-DRIED, not dehydrated. Dehydrated meat, such as the meat in HK, is cooked prior to being air-dried. We believe that cooking destroys the naturally-occurring nutrients and enzymes. The fruits and vegetables in our mix are air-dried, but never exposed to heat over 104 degrees, thus preserving the nutrients and enzymes. Kibble, on the other hand, is cooked, processed, and preserved and then the nutrients are sprayed back on to replace what was destroyed during the cooking process.

    Sojos Complete IS formulated to meet or exceed the AAFCO nutrient profiles for dogs of all life stages. This is stated on the back of the bag.

    The carbs in Sojos Complete Turkey and Sojos Complete Beef are 17.7% and 16.8% respectively.

    As far as moisture content, raw meat contains a slightly higher moisture content than raw fruits and vegetables. The moisture content of freeze-dried meat is less than 1% whereas air-dried fruits and vegetables range from 6-10%. That should be noted when judging the fact that sweet potato is listed before the meat on our ingredient list. That said, the protein content on our foods exceed AAFCO requirements for dogs of all ages.

    All in all, I’m a firm believer that the quality of a dog food can’t be measured in a lab but is best judged after seeing how a dog does on it. Even more than the quality of the ingredients in our food, we are most proud of the results it produces.

    Feel free to contact anytime with questions about any of our products!

  • Jake

    I noticed that Sojos just recently changed the front of their bags: http://www.sojos.com/PHOTOS/JPG/complete_beef.jpg. This has “With Freeze-Dried Raw Meat” on the front of the bag.

    Also, I used to feed HK until I found out that they cook their meat, not freeze-dry. I thought feeding freeze-dried meat would be better than cooked meat. Am I mistaken?

  • Ron

    Hello Liz,

    In my opinion it is better to an extent. I have used HK foods on and off for several years, a couple of their formulas are grain-free-
    but I would still add more protein. The meat in the diets is hard to find, you almost need a microscope to see it in the mix, it resembles the texture of gold fish food (flakes) and the foods are pretty plant heavy.
    But I believe their standards and quality control to be very
    high.

  • Hi Liz… Looks like HK may have an edge on Sojos (when you read their website about the quality of their ingredients). It’s always difficult to make comparisons like this and know for sure. However, it’s best to simply consult the reviews.

  • Liz Nguyen

    Hi Mike,

    Thanks for the review on Sojos. Before I read this, I thought Sojos was the best dehydrated food. But after reading this, I realized that Sojos isn’t that great. Is this true? Is Sojos a good dog food? Right now, i am feeding Blue Adult Chicken and Brown Rice with raw chicken and bones. I want Sojos to replace the kibble. Is Honest Kitchen better?

    Thanks!

  • Olsen1005… I’m sorry you feel my description lacks accuracy because I use the word “dehydrated”. Freeze drying is considered a specific method a dehydrating a food. According to the current Wikipedia definition

    “Freeze-drying (also known as lyophilisation, lyophilization or cryodesiccation) is a dehydration process typically used to preserve a perishable material or make the material more convenient for transport.”

    By the way, as I’ve mentioned before on this same comment thread, I’ve not been able to find any mention by Sojos that these products are actually freeze dried. They only say that they’re “made with USDA freeze-dried raw meat”. Please show me where this food is a 100% freeze-dried raw product and I’ll be happy to update my review.

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    Olsen1005 – The Sojos website describes their products as Freeze-Dried – “Made with USDA FREEZE-DRIED raw meat and all-natural ingredients”
    http://www.sojos.com/complete.html
    but, strange, I don’t find where Sojos explains their FREEZE-DRIED process.
    Also odd, this photo of Sojos Complete Turkey doesn’t include any descriptions of RAW or FREEZE-DRIED on the front of the bag – http://www.sojos.com/PHOTOS/JPG/complete.jpg

    Stella & Chewy’s makes raw freeze-dried dog food, and the description on the front of their bag says RAW and FREEZE-DRIED. Why doesn’t Sojos do that – if it’s really raw and freeze-dried?

    Here is the explanation of freeze-dried on the S&C website – http://www.stellaandchewys.com/versus.php
    Freeze-drying is a process that enables us to remove the moisture from our products without cooking. The product is first frozen and then put into a freeze dryer. Inside the freeze dryer, powerful pumps create a vacuum and extremely cold temperatures. Very low levels of heat are applied to the shelves on which the trays of product sit, enabling the ice within the meat to “sublimate” directly into water vapor, skipping the liquid stage. The product changes from frozen to freeze-dried without ever being thawed or cooked, thereby retaining all of the nutritional value of raw meat, minus the water. With Stella & Chewy’s Freeze-Dried Dinners and Treats, you get the best of both worlds; the benefits of raw food with the convenience of a dry food.##

  • Ron

    Olsen1005-
    Do you manufacture your foods or is it contracted out?

  • olsen1005

    Once again I am astounded at the lack of accuracy and truly useful information on this website. All I ever see are opinions dressed up like scientific facts. Sojo is NOT a dehyrdated food. Sojo is a RAW diet because the food has been FREEZE-DRIED – this is NOT the same as Dehydrated. Both processes are capable of removing about 98% of the water, however Freeze-drying retains much more of the nutritional value and flavor than dehydrating.

  • Hi Ryo… I’ve classified Sojos Complete as a dry food because although it’s made with a dehydrated meat, the product itself appears to me to be a regular kibble. Hope this helps.

  • “Ryo”

    Hey, Mike! Thanks for the review. I used to feed sojos before I went PMR, and I was curious to see your opinion. Thanks again, you rock! 😉
    Also, this is a dehydrated raw food.Why is it in the dry food section?

  • Brittany Blouin

    I haven’t tried Sojo but I was researching it and ended up on their site. They recommend that you add your own choice of raw meat to either the beef or the turkey formulas. As well, to get more fruits and veggies you just add a bit of their grain free formula.

  • Hi Lindsay… All the more than 500 reviews here are based upon product lines and not individual products. As I state in my review, “Sojos Complete Turkey Recipe grain-free dog food was selected to represent both products in the line for this review”.

  • Lindsay

    In your analysis what were some of the protein and water ratios for the Sojo complete beef? Your analysis appears to only be on the turkey formula?

  • Raymond

    Thanks for the response Mike. I’m actually using the complete Sojos mix with beef because I thought that by reducing the indicated amount of kibble, the protein contect would decrease and he wouldn’t be recieving the necesarry nutrients. I’m using ANF Puppy Holistic which you discontinued discussing from your site (I live in Puerto Rico and we usually don’t get anything the US doesn’t get, which is weird that it isn’t available in the US). The recomended amount in the bag for a puppy his age and weight is 4-5 cups daily. I feed him 4 of the ANF and add around 1 cup of the Sojos complete (both devided by two, fed twice a day). He’s an english bulldog and eats plenty and I’ve noticed that when I dont mix in the Sojos he doesn’t eat as much and I just want him to be happy and satisfied with his food.

  • Hi Raymond… Nutritionally, no kibble comes anywhere near to a quality raw food (like BARF). If you’re using Sojo’s meatless premix with any dry dog food, you’re actually decreasing (diluting) the amount of meat in the kibble. This is certainly not something I’d recommend.

  • Raymond

    I actually use Sojos as an addition to the kibble I feed my dog. Sojos states that the dog may lose weight and claim it to be excess body fat but I believe that its due to the low protein and fat rates. Nevertheless, its a great addition to the nutrition, it makes my kibble last longer (save some $) and it adds the raw meat and ingredients factor to my dog’s nutrition which I think is most beneficial. Which brings me to my question. Does Sojos acts like or replaces BARF?

  • Hi JuneBud… You are correct in your understanding if the ingredient list had stated “dehydrated USDA turkey”. But it doesn’t. It simply says “USDA turkey”. However, we do note the description on the company’s website does claim the recipe is “made with USDA freeze-dried raw meat”. The point we make here is that going strictly by the company’s posted ingredient description, it would likely occupy a lower relative position on the list… a list which is (by law) always published in order of precooking weight.

    Remember, that water added to the mix (or even any standard kibble) reconstitutes every dried ingredient in the mix (not just the meat). Our bottom line conclusion in this report is based upon the company’s published after-cooking (as fed) dry matter percentages of protein (25%), fat (9%) and estimated carbohydrates (59%). When compared to other dry foods in our database, these figures are suggestive of a product containing a below-average amount of meat.

  • JuneBud

    I’m confused by the statement that “after cooking” most of the moisture weight of the turkey is lost. The turkey is dehydrated – all the water is lost, as is all the water in the other ingredients. When the food is reconstituted, the percentage of moisture would be the same as fresh ingredients as there is no cooking involved.