Royal Canin Veterinary Diets Hypoallergenic Select Protein (Dry)

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Rating: ☆☆☆☆☆

Royal Canin Veterinary Diets Canine Selected Protein Dog Food is not rated due to its intentional therapeutic design.

The Royal Canin Veterinary Diets Canine Selected Protein product line includes five dry recipes, each designed to help in treating food sensitivities that cause skin or digestive conditions.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Selected Protein Adult PD
  • Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Selected Protein Adult PR
  • Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Selected Protein Adult PV
  • Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Selected Protein Adult PW Large Breed
  • Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Selected Protein Adult PW Moderate Calorie

Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Selected Protein Adult PV was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Selected Protein Adult PV

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 21% | Fat = 11% | Carbs = 60%

Ingredients: Dried potato, venison meal, coconut oil, potato protein, hydrolyzed soy protein, natural flavors, vegetable oil, fish oil, monocalcium phosphate, dl-methionine, calcium carbonate, salt, choline chloride, taurine, vitamins [dl-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), biotin, d-calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin A acetate, niacin supplement, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin supplement, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement], trace minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, copper proteinate], rosemary extract, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 3.9%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis19%10%NA
Dry Matter Basis21%11%60%
Calorie Weighted Basis20%25%55%

The first ingredient in this dog food is dried potato, a dehydrated item usually made from the by-products of potato processing. In most cases, dried potato can contain about 10% dry matter protein which can have a slight affect on our estimate of the total meat content of this recipe.

The second ingredient is venison meal. Venison meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh venison.

The third ingredient is coconut oil. Depending upon the quality of the raw material, coconut oil is rich in medium chain fatty acids.

Coconut oil has been reported to have a beneficial effect on a dog’s skin and coat, improve digestion, and reduce allergic reactions.1

The fourth ingredient is potato protein, the dry residue remaining after removing the starchy part of a potato.

Even though it contains over 80% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The fifth ingredient is hydrolyzed soy protein. Soy protein isolate is a highly refined form of soybean protein with a protein content of about 90%.

In this case, the soy protein has been hydrolyzed which means it has been broken down into its individual amino acid components.

Hydrolyzed protein is valued by veterinary professionals because of its proven and effective hypoallergenic properties.

After the natural flavor, we find vegetable oil, a generic oil of unknown origin. The ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fats in any oil is nutritionally critical and can vary significantly (depending on the source).

Without knowing more, it’s impossible to judge the quality of an item so vaguely described. However, compared to a named animal fat, a generic vegetable oil cannot be considered a quality ingredient.

The eighth ingredient is fish oil. Fish oil is naturally rich in the prized EPA and DHA type of omega-3 fatty acids. These two high quality fats boast the highest bio-availability to dogs and humans.

Depending on its level of freshness and purity, fish oil should be considered a commendable addition.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With two notable exceptions

First, we find no mention of probiotics, friendly bacteria applied to the surface of the kibble after processing to help with digestion.

And lastly, this food contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Royal Canin Veterinary Diets
Canine Selected Protein Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Although this is a prescription product, our review has nothing to do with the accuracy of claims made by the manufacturer as to the product’s ability to treat or cure a specific health condition.

So, to find out whether or not this dog food is appropriate for your particular pet, it’s important to consult your veterinarian.

With that understanding…

Judging by its ingredients alone, Royal Canin Veterinary Diets Canine Selected Protein appears to be a average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still prefer to estimate the product’s meat content before concluding our report.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 21%, a fat level of 11% and estimated carbohydrates of about 60%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 22% and a mean fat level of 11%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 59% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 48%.

Below-average protein. Below-average fat. And above-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the potato products and soy protein, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing only a limited amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Royal Canin Veterinary Diets Canine Selected Protein is a plant-based kibble using a limited amount of various species as its main source of animal protein.

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Notes and Updates

06/26/2015 Last Update

  1. Dr. Bruce Fife, Healthy Ways Newsletter, Vol 4:3
  • Susan

    Hi have you done a Salvia & Hair testing thru Glacier Peak Holistics yet? the Salvia & Hair tests for 100+ Environment triggers & 200+ food items for $85 the test may narrow down what your dog is sensitive too… I’d start cooking with 1 protein he hasn’t eaten before & a low Gi carb & see if he starts to get better & do the Saliva & Hair test….all the foods you have mentioned have too many ingredients, it could be just 1 ingredient that he’s having a reaction too & there’s too many ingredients in these kibbles to work out which one he’s reacting too.. if you don’t want to cook try the “California Natural” Lamb & Rice small bites it has just 4 ingredients, Lamb & Brown Rice White Rice & Sunflower oil http://www.californianaturalpet.com/products/1211 http://www.glacierpeakholistics.com/More-Than-an-Allergy-Test_p_80.html

  • frienchielove

    Try solid gold.. Taste of the wild might be to much protein for your toy poodle might upset there stomach. Try one with fish most dogs are allergic to chicken

  • Snoopy

    Can someone help me chose between Solid Gold and Taste of The Wild. I’ve tried Royal Canine, Blue Buffalo, Wellness Ocean, Hills Z/D, and my toy poodle is still desperate scratching and pulling his hair out to the point he is hurting himself, he bleeds and keep chewing all over his body. I have to keep the cone on all day and night. Even on Benadryl.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Sam-e and milk thistle (the generic version of the vet prescription denamarin) can help to bring liver values down. Check with your vet on dosage.

  • frienchielove

    -__- this food is terrible it obviously messes up your dogs liver Dolla was perfect before it.. I don’t understand why there still selling it! Hopefully Dolla gets better soon! Thanks for your post its actually what made me re check her blood work bec it wasn’t even time for her physical yet.

  • frienchielove

    I just got the blood results back from my frenchie and they came back showing liver problems too, she was perfectly fine before giving her this food I wouldn’t recommend it for any dog be careful she’s now on treatment and I changed her food to solid gold sun dancer.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hope they’re doing well! :)

  • Beth M

    Update after taking my three dogs off this food. 6 weeks later, I had them all retested. We had moved to Hill’s for a brief period (the dogs refused to eat the canned food) and then to Taste of the Wild Salmon and taste of the Wild Roasted Lamb. Both are available at pet supply stores with no prescription and are grain-free. And the dogs scarf it down. Test results tell the story.

    The dog with really high billirubin was now normal. The dog with really high Lipase was still elevated but half of what it was on the Royal Canin. The dog with the most positive findings was nearly normal and dropped 70 cholesterol points to boot. I didn’t donate my leftover cans and bag of Royal Canin since I didn’t want ANY dog to eat it. It went in a dumpster.

  • Beth M

    They eat together so all are on the same food. I switched off Science Diet pretty quickly. The dogs hated it and refused to eat the canned food.

  • Beth M

    Mine did, too, after the formula changed and the dog food was the color of chicken poop rather than the previous brown color.

  • frienchielove

    Hello im so sorry to bother you but by any chance did any of dogs poop turn yellow clay looking ? My french bull dog was prescribed this food bec of her allergies and she’s been on it for two weeks and her poop changed color don’t know if thats normal

  • Crazy4dogs

    I’m not a fan of the Hill’s food personally. I think you said all 3 of your dogs were on it. Do they all need a special diet?

  • Beth M

    Hill’s Prescription Diet Z/D.

  • Crazy4dogs

    That’s terrible customer service, especially if it’s a diet to help a medical problem. Good that your vet caught it and moved to a different food. Just out of curiousity, what did you switch too?

  • Beth M

    OK, I never post on these forums but this was too important to not share. I have three dogs, all tested full blood panel and urinalysis every year and in great health They have been on this food for 5 years. I bought a bag in January and it looked completely different. Fast forward to this week and ALL THREE of my dogs lab work came back with liver problems, test numbers literally off the chart for one of them. My vet repeated the labs because the odds of all three of my dogs developing liver problems at the same time is virtually zero. This time the blood was drawn after no food for 20 hours. Numbers better, but still elevated. We talked about it and moved the dogs to another brand of hypoallergenic food. He reported it to Royal Canin. They wanted to talk to me. The tech on the phone said they’ve had no complaints. I told her there were lots of people online posting the liver and pancreas problems on the new formulation. She dismissed them out-of-hand saying “those are all pre-existing conditions.” This company does not take the health and safety of your pets seriously. Check out the text from their flyer about adding by-products to their foods here: http://truthaboutpetfood.com/royal-canin-says/

  • datroofhomez

    Extra Virgin Coconut Oil works well for many dogs as long as they can tolerate the extra oil. It liquifies at 76°F.

  • Susan

    Hi Jofiguer,yes the food isn’t working properly, Patch was on the Royal Canin HP it helped Patches itchy skin it was beautiful & shiney wasn’t dry but paws were still red & itchy & his afternoon poo was sloppy, I change diets & bath in the Malaseb medicated shampoo it kills any bacteria on their skin but does not dry their skin, actually it leaves his fur & skin feeling so soft, I have to bath every week, Id be looking for a Limited ingredient, hypoallergenic, gluten free diet, preferably a fish diet high in omegas, there has to be a couple of dog food companies making these diets, we have a few in Australia made by vets that hated the ingredients in the American Vet Diets (Hills & Royal Canine) I’ve just started a excellent biscuit type kibble that’s made in New Zealand within 1 week Patches red paws, went away & the redness under his chin has all good Patch has 2 whammies IBD & Skin problems, you find a food that fixes 1 of his health problem, then u have the skin problems, but summer is over & winter is better for his skin allergies….if your dog can eat sardines,buy the sardines in spring water & just put 1 sardine on her food or give as a treat daily.. also rub the extra virgin coconut oil in their skin & leave it then give their bath in the Malaseb medicated shampoo…

  • Susan Little

    Hello…my dog was on the same food …I noticed what you did with them taking away the hypoallergenic as well…before I left the vet…they made calls and asked the vet and she said yes they changed the label and her dog is eating g it as she did the hypo …so I brought it home and he my dog was scratching after eating it…I had to take him back to the vet because he was losing hair (long haired shih tzu) she called and spoke with Royal Canin direct…what I have been told is they were having a hard time getting g enough deer meat so they added more protein? Not sure what else…also something g to do with the word Hypoallergenic that some digs still couldn’t eat it and so they had to take that off the label…bottom line it’s very diffrent and my dog couldn’t eat it…I called all the vets in Mt area till I found one that had stock in the old version of food and he is now getting back on track…only till we run out…I’m also being told by 2 other peo p let that have shih tzu’s that the Rachel Rey zero grain turkey and potato worked for tear dogs with a probiotic powder sprinkled on it (I have not tried this as we still have the old recipe of Royal Canin PV…if I can’t find another bag of this food…I will try the Rachel Rey I mentioned above…if it is the they couldn’t get enough deer meat…I do not understand that…I know of areas in the USA that had so many in areas they brought in sharp shooters to the populated area to thin them out…I know this sounds terrible…but they were coming into the populated areas because they didn’t have enough food in the wild…I believe this because this year I have hardly seen deer here at my home out in the county less populated area and I normally did…we had lots of rain seasons before winter so I feel I see less of them because they have more food in the wild. I know that was a long drug out story but I’m trying to make sense out of their story of not having enough deer meat avaliable. ..I think the cost was too high and they were not making enough off it to make it so instead of raising the cost (it’s very costly already)they decided they wouldnot sell enough so they changed it to make it less costly to make but kept the price as is and as a result of that…our dogs are suffering! My thoughts only…

  • GSDsForever

    Does anyone know where the rabbit in their rabbit/potato diet is sourced from? I would hope not China. . . .

  • aimee

    I find it common that some companies use a generic term for a specific ingredient. Don’t know why they do that …bothers the heck out of me. I’m pretty sure it was Iams I talked to that said the fat source has never been changed and has always been pork. So why don’t they just put pork fat on the label?? Beats me!

    It looks like you are in a bit of a pickle to find novel ingredients. If my dog had been exposed to oats then I wouldn’t choose KO for an elimination trial.

    If exposed to beef I wouldn’t choose bison as they are close photogenically and may cross react.

    I C home cooking in your future : )

  • GSDsForever

    With regard to the “animal fat,” if Iams (or any company) indeed uses exclusively pork fat, then I think they should say pork fat, imo. There seems to be no good reason to insist on labeling it “animal” to my understanding unless they want to avoid being held to that.

    In any event, I generally ethically avoid pork and pork products as some of the cruelest factory farmed meat anyway with a highly intelligent animal.

    But regardless of which animal fats they use, there is also the concern for other proteins contaminating it vs maintaining a single novel protein diet. Why wouldn’t they have used kanagroo fat in a kangaroo diet? I avoided chicken fat in a very chicken allergic dog. There’s the fish oil too, which could have proteins left over. And I worry with fish oil like this that it is the cheapest and lowest quality, with contaminants and its fats damaged to be damaging. And I hate seeing beet pulp, because I avoid GMOs — and beets are on the top list along with soy, corn, cotton.

    While BY FAR *not* the worst I’ve seen or could imagine from Iams, the formula is otherwise deficient in its 19/12 protein/fat. I cannot imagine how that could be appropriate for this dog.

    I personally am fine with oat flour or oatmeal, but that introduces a carb with a protein that she has already been exposed to. And it is sad that that’s the first ingredient, vs the meat even inclusive of water — no doubt the reason for the low 19% protein, with a significant portion of that coming from oats and canola meal. If they’re going to make what I imagine is an expensive food as labeled for veterinary use, then the least they could do is put more money into the bag with more of the actual novel meat protein source. Here we have proteins from oats, kangaroo, canola, and potentially also pork (and anything else they decide to use for animal fat since they can according to the labeling) and proteins from fish.

    I would happily do homemade if it weren’t for her having had most protein sources out there. Buffalo is available at Costco but would cost a fortune, I think, to feed her as a large dog. Huge difference between having to feed a toy dog and an 80 lb dog. Most exotic meats are expensive.

    I don’t know. I could feed organic tofu as a novel protein ingredient and digestible one, as that she definitely has not had, except I cannot imagine she’d enjoy months of eating tofu and tapioca. That sounds awful!

    Ideally, my understanding is that this should be entirely novel protein and entirely novel major carb portion, given that the carbs too will have protein.

    That’s interesting information regarding Iams and the role they played re the Menu 2007/2008 recall. Thank you for sharing that. I didn’t pay as much attention to the recall as it continued to play out as I wasn’t feeding a food touched by the recall and felt more distant from the dangers.

  • aimee

    Home cooking may then be your best option.

    No company is perfect, they all have warts but I elected not to boycott Iams, which is now owned or soon will be owned by Mars.

    The company discontinued using outside facilities and brought all their feeding programs “in house” You can read about that here http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/15_6/features/Pet-Food-Companies-Animal-Research-Practices_20547-1.html

    But I’m also grateful to the numerous lives that Iams saved by calling out Menu foods and putting the “gun to their head” to force what became the largest recall ever in 2007. Iams had received three calls on their consumer line regarding renal problems in cats and immediately acted on it. They had a slices and gravy type food subcontracted out to Menu. It was also the scientists at Iams who correctly identified melamine as the toxin in the food.

    In regards to the animal fat in their KO product, it is pork fat.

  • GSDsForever

    Thanks, Aimee.

    It isn’t the price that is the determining factor here. It’s more that various veterinary diet brands don’t meet my standards regarding ingredients and overall quality, plus cruelty to dogs and cats, other animals in their business practices.

    When my vet consulted with a veterinary dermatologist here, the dermatologist suggested Iams’s Oats & Kangaroo formula. I would never feed anything made by Iams and I would not feed that formula and I would not feed specific ingredients in that formula (e.g. generic “animal fat”).

    I think Iams’s cruelty to dogs has been well documented and is clear. (For the record, I don’t buy a single product of any kind made by Proctor & Gamble either for similar reasons.)

    Anyway, I have reached out to vet formulated Great Life about this. And I will reach out if necessary to NV, which should know better & have better quality standards with vet nutritionists like Susan Wynn on its board of advisors.

  • aimee

    Hi GSDsForever,

    When choosing a food to do a trial with I’d want to extensively inquire about quality control. Cross contamination is common. It occurs during transport of ingredients. aerosolization from other products made in the same plant, lack of equipment cleaning.

    OTC foods are not made specifically for the purpose of doing food trials. I’d use a veterinary product made for that purpose. They will cost a lot more than an OTC diet. This is due to the quality control in place.: Ingredient “fingerprinting”, PCR analysis, through cleaning of plant including complete breakdown of all the equipment used in production, restricting ingredients in the plant to the ones used, and post production testing.

  • GSDsForever

    Except that there weren’t just trace amounts . . . it was significant amounts.

    It worries me, as I will be having to feed a novel protein/novel carb limited diet to a dog soon, under vet supervision, to try to get her some relief from possible food allergy/allergies.

    We have no idea what she’s allergic to, as she’s eaten most meats and carbs before. So it’s really important that we have ONLY the listed protein source, and that we then try adding back one thing at a time.

    Right now my candidates for the food are Great Life’s Buffalo & Tapioca/Jicama or Nature’s Variety Limited Ingredient Rabbit & Tapioca/Peas. So you can see why I’d be concerned. I’ve contacted GL for assurances, will contact NV if I have to then try their formula (though the above study explicitly including NV doesn’t make me feel safe with NV honestly).

  • Fanatoli Guyoff

    Interesting. I know the ones that list tapioca starch always seemed to agree with my cat more. I should think trace amounts are still better than a primary ingredient but I mostly feed my cat home made cat food anyway. I actually add a can of commercial food every couple days to soften things up and as a treat because she likes it once in a while. If I feed her more than a can every 3 to 4 days her eyes will start to get drippy though even if it takes several in a row to affect her stomach. I think of canned cat food as dessert prunes for my kitty 😀 haha. The only food she ever tolerated really well is the natures variety limited lamb, but oddly enough I can home make her chicken based foods and she does fine on those. What a chore it is to get it balanced though. ugh. At least its hyper cheap

  • GSDsForever

    Brands *not* listing soy on the bags tested positive in a study of limited ingredient diets. Ditto for potential allergens poultry/chicken and beef, including when not disclosed in the label ingredients.

    Brands that were subject to lab analysis in the study included Natural Balance, Nature’s Variety, Wellness, and Eukanuba.

    Actually, only the Wellness was found to be free of soy (and other undisclosed ingredients).

  • Fanatoli Guyoff

    Also they put soy in it now and a lot of pets are allergic to soy

  • datroofhomez

    He’s a year old & was an owner dump at the Humane Society pound. He was there a week & the claim is he was normal coming in, but broke out there. No idea what they fed him, but my best guess is something cheap. The vet has had him on RC HSP for about a week. I sprung him from the vet a few days ago. The vet thinks he needs to be on this food permanently, but if it was an issue with cleaning chemicals, or the wrong protein, why would that be necessary? I really want him off the RC & on to something else eventually.

  • Phyllis Cameron

    Do you know if your dog can tolerate coconut oil? Buy the solid organic kind and just give him a spoon full every day. It is good for so many things. My dogs love just eating it – it is a treat to them. I give my 75 lb husky a full tablespoon and the 45 lb pit bull about half that.

  • Phyllis Cameron

    Sounds highly suspicious. How long has your dog been on that food? With my dog the excessive urination/high water intake didn’t start until after a few months.Then both of those symptoms pretty much subsided reasonably quickly after I switched his food again. It’s been a battle swapping out proteins and finding quality food. I’ve decided to quit messing about and as of Feb 8 have put both my dogs on raw food. I just want him to quit licking his feet raw and quit licking the floor like a crazy animal. And hope that he stops having ear infections. Fingers crossed.

  • datroofhomez

    I’m fostering a dog with a raw paw. They are not sure if it was an issue with the food that was being fed, or if it was the kennel cleaning supplies. The vet gave me RC HAD to feed, & the result is drinking a lot of water, excessive urination, & frequent soft stools.

  • Jofiguer

    I was giving this brand from my vet for my 4 1/2 month frenchy, he can’t have beef or chicken so the vet told me about this brand and had me get there PV, after having him on it for a week we notice his skin has been getting more and more dry along with his coat more rough. Then we notice he has been scratching him self double to what he did before. So we took him back. The vet checked his ears and paws and said it seems to be working he looks good but his skin is dry for most likely the dry air because of winter. She gave me a spray for his coat/skin to help it from being dry and shampoo, also 10mg antihistamine. This was 1 week ago and he is still itchy and we have notice his skin is irritated..
    So I have a questioned does it sound like it’s the food or the weather ????

  • losul

    thnx Dori. Honestly I couldn’t find the word used anywhere else other than RC’s wording.

    Made more sense after Aimee explained the prefix an.

  • Susan

    Hi have you rung Royal Canin up, Id take back the bag for refund & go to other vets in area & see if they have any of the old formulas in Australia it hasn’t changed name wise.. its still called Hypoallergenic

  • Dori

    Definition of ANALLERGIC

    : not allergic Found in Merriam-Webster dictionary on line:

  • DogFoodie

    I know. Unfortunately, marketing wants you to believe otherwise. I think of hypoallergenic as a marketing, rather than a medical term. I have never searched for hypoallergenic foods per se for my dog with food intolerances. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard someone comment about how a hypoallergenic food failed to magically solve their dog’s food sensitivity / allergy problems.

  • aimee

    Hmm interesting… Is RC positioning itself for OTC sales of certain formulas?? Guess time will tell.

    In regrds to anallergenic, it looks to me that RC just added the prefix “an” which means without ( anarchy, anoxia anorexia) to the work allergenic. But of course animals don’t read the book so somewhere someplace there will be a dog that will have an allergic reaction to it: )

  • neezerfan

    Hypoallergenic means less allergenic, not non allergenic.

  • losul

    I really didn’t ever mean to get involved with much more than a comment to curiosity!

    Aimee, It’s good that the FDA is showing directives hoping the industry will self regulate itself, but my take is that the the FDA is not as much interested when therapeutic terms are used on diets that fall under the direct guidance and directives of a veterinarian (prescription) as opposed to when these same type of terms are used with products actually sold to the “General Public”.

    http://news.vin.com/vinnews.aspx?articleId=24361

    (I added emphasis on to some items.)

    “CPG background materials report that during the past 24 years, the FDA’s Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) has observed an uptick in numbers of pet foods carrying therapeutic claims, sold with or WITHOUT the direction of a licensed veterinarian.. The shift in marketing directly to pet owners “is of concern because many of these products affect physiological processes to extents that may not be tolerated by all animals and/or may not achieve effective treatment,” the agency said.”

    In the CPG, the agency said it’s going to pay special attention to therapeutic diets sold in retail sectors without the guidance of veterinarians.

    ——–
    Dr. Jennifer Larsen: ( I sure hear that name often!) ;

    “but with the Internet, these diets are increasingly sold directly to the general public,”she said. “At the same time, labels are becoming more descriptive about their intended purposes. All this marketing is muddying the issue and the main question: Should these diets require a prescription?”

    ———————————-

    My original post here was that as for far as I know, the FDA still doesn’t regard “hypoallergenic” as a medical term, A search to Amazon for the term brings up 212,242 results for hypoallergenic items selling there to the public.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=hypoallergenic

    I think generally and loosely when the pre-fix hypo is used in medical language, it is taken to mean “less than normal”
    (hypoglycemia, hypocalcemia, etc.)
    or as “beneath, or under” (hypodermic, etc.)
    ———————-

    I know of the industry trending too now sell “therapeutic” “veterinary” or in Hill’s case “prescription” diets ( evidently Hill’s owns the trademark for “prescription diets”) over the internet. I assume that then most still require prescriptions. What about the therapeutic terms or medical terms such as “glucose management” “gastro-intestinal” “renal diet” “urinary tract health”, etc. used. I don’t see “hypoallergenic” as more medically termed than those, actually less so, Somehow I question those other words will change on them as long as they are sold by prescription only, and with the guidance of a vet.

    for me, removal of the word “hypoallergenic” from RC’s food begged the 1st question; Do they intend to begin selling this food to the public without a prescription and without the guidance of a vet? It doesn’t seem to me that they would remove the term solely out of regulatory concerns, as long as they have the vets involvement. But I’ve been wrong before…..

    As a side note and another curiosity, I wonder where term “anallergenic”, which is apparently another similar “veterinary” RC formula, where it originated, or even it’s meaning, I can’t find a definition to it anywhere. When googling or binging the word, all hits lead only to RC. Perhaps it’s a term that RC coined, and exclusive or trademarked to them! :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi DogFoodie-
    That is what I was thinking. Maybe a dog had a reaction to it and are changing label to avoid a law suit. I don’t think you can guarantee that every dog with allergies can eat this food. But, it’s not just them. I think other companies use that “claim” as well.

  • aimee

    I’ll give you my 2 cents. I see this as a medical claim because the “general public” may see this as meaning “will treat allergies” I think the FDA has pretty much “looked the other way” in regards to therapeutic diets making medical claims because the diets are usually only sold under the order of a veterinarian.To make a medical claim legally the food would need to be licensed as a drug.

    The FDA may be revisiting this issue and RC taking a compliance step by removing the term.

    http://news.vin.com/vinnews.aspx?articleId=24361

  • losul

    Hmm.
    Maybe then, RC now “figured” out using the “hypoallergenic” term could be be a misnomer for their product, and wrong too use the term, if so, then seems they should have stated that, instead of that they removed it because “it’s a medical term”.

  • DogFoodie

    I always thought “hypoallergenic” was a bit of a misnomer to begin with. Why it would be assumed that there would be a food that was appropriate for all dogs with allergies is silly to me.

  • losul

    I don’t use any RC, just happened to read your post and struck me as a curious thing.

    I hope everything seems more normalized for your ( and the other Sues’) dog(s) again!

  • Sue D

    “Seems very strange, wasn’t it always kind of a quasi medical term, and isn’t it still a prescription food anyway?”

    You’d have to ask Royal Canin. You can reach them at the phone # on the product packaging.

  • losul

    “but they removed the “Hypoallergenic” labeling in Fall 2014 because it is a medical term.”

    Seems strange, wasn’t it always kind of a quasi medical term, and isn’t it still a prescription food anyway? According to wikipedia, “The term lacks a medical definition, but it is in common usage and found in most standard English dictionaries.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoallergenic

  • Tina Gale McMillan

    Mercola is not a reputable site. http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html

  • Tina Gale McMillan

    It’s not helpful to judge whether a product is bad because you don’t understand why its necessary to create a protein that won’t trigger an autoimmune response. That is the point of hydrolyzed proteins. They allow dogs with IBD and Allergies to eat food without vomiting, itching, diarrhea, fever, lethargy and loss of appetite.
    I have a pup that cannot eat anything other than Royal Canine Hydrolized Protein, without diarrhea, vomiting and going off his food for days. We are still in the process of diagnosing whether he has IBD and allergies or just allergies.
    He isn’t just allergic to proteins in his foods but to other things in the environment. He chews his paws and coughs up hairballs when he is triggered. The antihistamine hasn’t fully kicked in yet and his is just a month shy of being off steroids.
    He had been on grain free, high quality foods since he was a pup and I have home cooked meals for him as well using the same organic and home grown foods that our family eats. One by one each protein became undigestible until he was on prednisone for four months to calm his immune response.
    Prednisone is far worse on a dog’s system than the hydrolyzed protein in Royal Canin. For now at least there is a food that he can eat and he has energy, a shiny coat, clear eyes, no digestive problems and seems happy again.
    If you trust your vet to care about his/her practice and the animals in it then talk with your vet before making assumptions about anything you read online. Autoimmune disorders in dogs, like people, can be deadly. The internet makes us all feel like experts when we are anything but.
    Working with a good vet and taking time to get an accurate diagnosis is extremely important. Some dogs have both allergies and IBD. The Royal Canin Hydrolized Protein Diet is the only food that I have been able to find that my dog can eat without having to be on steroids every day.
    The websites that offer supplements don’t show any data that would explain how their supplements are addressing the underlying physiological condition. In other words there are potential snake oil salesman always ready to prey on people’s emotions when they fear for their dog’s lives or simply don’t understand why a food that is normally healthy would make a dog sick.
    I feel fortunate to have a vet I trust and who is willing to take the time to explain every step of the way what my dog is experiencing and what choices we can make to help. I encourage you to find vets like these. They are worth it!

  • Susan

    My vet talked to the rep from Royal Canin and they said that there was no change in the hypoallergenic…and Julie(our dog)has adjusted and is doing fine….hope your dog is too.

  • Sue D

    I called Royal Canin because my dog’s IBD symptoms seemed to return after we started feeding him from a new bag of Royal Canin HP food, one which no longer has “Hypoallergenic” on the label. Royal Canin told me it is the same formula as before, and “hydrolyzed protein” is their formula for dogs with allergies and/or problems digesting proteins, but they removed the “Hypoallergenic” labeling in Fall 2014 because it is a medical term. I pointed out that on their web site, the “moderate calorie” variety still shows a photo of a bag with the word “hypoallergenic”. The rep explained that the web site is being updated gradually, and all bags/labels will have the word hypoallergenic removed. She assured me the formula is the same. The kibbles look a little different to me (lighter, smaller), but I have noticed similar variations in the past between bags. My dog’s IBD symptoms are subsiding again, so maybe it was something he ate(?) or a slight adjustment in the formula which took him a little while to get used to. I bought this new bag of RC HP at Chewy.com, my first order from them. Previously, I bought from the Vet whose stock still had the old labels.

    Susan C: I am very interested to know how your dog is doing, and if you received a similar explanation from Royal Canin.

    –Sue D.

  • Dori

    My best advice to you would be to call your vet and ask them. Also let them know what is going on with your dog and the food and possibly they can guide you to another formula or another food. It’s important that they know what’s going on with the food.

  • Susan

    Hi Susan, I contacted Royal Canin by email the other day, they got back to me within 2 hrs of sending email, If there has been a change you may need to find another food, especially with IBD.. Im trying the R/C “Sensitivity Control” Duck & Tapioca its Gluten free but its the Australian Royal Canin not Americian R/C if you buy from a vets they should of been informed about the
    Change….have you contacted ur vet aswell so they know what is happening so other dogs wont go thru the same thing…..

  • Crazy4cats

    Have you tried contacting Royal Canin directly? I called their “contact us” number on their website last week, and they were very helpful with my questions. This site is not affiliated with them. Good luck!

  • Susan

    We have been using Royal Canin hydrolyzed protien dog food for our IBD dog for 6 months now. She was doing great on it. Two weeks ago, when my husband went to the vet to pick up her case of food and he noticed the label no longer said “hypoallergenic”. In the past week our dogs diarreha is back and getting worse.

    Has there been ANY change to this food? I have been reading, on the internet, that there is some “by product” change. Is this part of why it is no long hypoallergenic??

    Please let us know, as our dogs life depends on an honest answer. We buy both cans and dry and if there has been a change that is effecting her health, we need to know right away. We are trying to illiminate possibilities so we can get her healthy again.

    Thank you,
    Susan Cardillo

  • theBCnut

    Allergy testing is known for producing both false negatives and false positives. The only way to truly know what your dog is reacting to is to do an elimination diet.

  • Eadie Rowell

    Amen!!!

  • Eadie Rowell

    I say avoid grains! Think about the logic. Dogs do not look for corn or soy in the wild! Plus corn and soy are 96% GMO on the markets for several years. Do yourself and your baby a favor and research GMOs. You will be able to make an informed decision from there. I am told to avoid ANYTHINGhe’s ever eaten before. That more than likely includes corn and soy as we as several other grains. Best wishes!

  • Eadie Rowell

    Thanks, yes, lots of research after discovering chicken made him worse. Now we know it’s fleas, grains, and chicken! I have a very long post somewhere in here to Fantasia with her furkid Roary. I covered a lot of what you stated. I too question the use as a food trial diet. Nearly every food has chicken or chicken meal in it, unless purposely searching for one without chicken. Eukanuba has a prescription diet for food triaks. They offer rabbit, duck, and even kangaroo. You are correct, raw is great. My boys do great when hubby loads us up on deer organs. They love love love it! Thanks again!

  • Eadie Rowell

    Thanks! I really do appreciate your reply. But, as it turns out Dodge is allergic to chicken!! What next, right? I’m so glad your baby is doing well. Like you, not thrilled with chicken shaft aspect, but it is working for you and that is all that matters. Just be sure to keep an eye on her coat and health. I just can’t wrap my brain around boiled down chicken shafts being nutritional. Crazier things have happened!!

  • Eadie Rowell

    If he has a food allergy you will either have to purchase the expensive food or go ahead and spend the $200 for the allergy testing. I am going this route with my Dodge. I have discovered he is flea,grain AND chicken allergic all on my own. He got worse on RC analalergic. I was concerned about the nutritional value because it is made from the shaft of chicken feathers. Never occurred to me chicken was a prob until the RC. I switched back to Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream. It is made from Salmon and assorted fruits and veggies. He did better but still smells like a frito and is itchy. Vet explained dog food is just like human food when it comes to allergies. For instance a Hershey chocolate bar has no nuts, but it warns the bar was manufactured on the same equipment that peanuts or nuts were used. Therefore, there’s a real chance you could have an allergic reaction. Same thing with dog food. Although it is grain free it is still processed on the same conveyor belt with kibble that has grain, chicken etc. You must find a presription
    brand that is dedicated to
    allergies. Also, vet
    explained just one lick from
    my other boy’s bowls can
    cause a reaction! I have
    been fighting this for a year
    now! Finally decided all the special shampoos,
    antibiotics for secondary
    skin infections from
    scratching raw spots and
    antihistimines were going to
    run into big bucks over a
    period of time. Plus Dodge
    is miserable. So we’re doing
    the allergy testing. Vet had
    to order Science Diet made
    from rabbit because it must
    be made from something
    he’s never eaten, ever. Not thrilled with Science Diet, but it is what it is and only for eight weeks. She
    started to order venison,
    but we feed deer organs
    during hunting season. All
    three boys love it! Also had
    to thoroughly wash our
    airtight dog food container
    real thoroughly. Then when
    the kibble arrived it had to
    go in the freezer to kill any
    mites in the food before
    putting it in the airtight
    container. He can’t take
    anything for the itch or it will
    throw the test off. We can’t do steroid shots because of the yeasty skin. That’s why he smells like fritos. Sometimes he just plain stinks! I questioned his nexguard and trifexis because they are both yummy for the pet. Turns out the nexguard is flavored with pork because of potential allergies. Vet explained dogs are seldom
    if ever allergic to pork. The
    trifexis is another story. It is
    flavored with beef. Soo, had
    to have a pharmacy
    compound his heartworm
    preventitive. That was a
    pleasant surprise and I may
    put all three on it. The
    compound is beef or peanut
    butter flavored and for
    some reason dogs don’t
    have a problem with peanut
    butter. Dodge weighs 50
    lbs. It is costing $90 for a yr
    supply! Runs us $172 a yr
    for trifexis. All the
    others are about the same.
    Since we don’t have fleas , I
    figure there’s little chance
    of intestinal parasites. They
    are tested annually so if
    they need deworming, so be
    it! Still significantly less
    $$$. In 8 weeks they will
    draw blood and send it off.
    No more guess work. Then
    what ever he’s allergic to we
    will get shots to desensitize
    him. That can run $10-$21
    for a series of shots that I
    will have to give him at
    home. Big ordeal, but after
    all he’s been through and all
    the $$ spent doing guess
    work and still not getting
    anywhere. I’ll take it!!
    Someone mentioned avoiding GMOs. Believe me, I am anti GMO! In fact, I belong to an awareness group trying to inform people of the poison and the fact that if left unchecked we will have to buy all our seeds for our gardens. You cannot save seeds yr after yr with GMOs. The fruit will not taste or look like the parent plant if it grows at all! Now we have super weeds
    created by the use of
    drowning crops with Round
    up. Dow has created
    another weed killer using
    the same chemicals banned
    from use because they are
    in agent orange. Don’t get
    me started! Back to
    allergies and dog food. If
    you are purchasing the
    more expensive dog foods
    from PetSmart, Petco, or a
    pet supply consider two
    things I found were cheaper
    for the same foods. Tractor
    Supply carries a large
    variety of high end dog
    food. It’s a feed and grain and farming store.They carry my Taste of
    the Wild brand for $17 less
    than any of the petstores. I
    also always check dates for
    freshness to avoid molds
    etc in the food and Tractor
    Supply is always fresh. But
    wait! I found a website,
    http://www.chewy.com carries all
    the brands pretty much. I
    was paying $102 a month at
    Tractor supply for two 30
    pound bags of Taste of the
    Wild. I order from chewy.com, get it delivered
    to my door by UPS in two
    days for $87. Plus, chewy
    lets you set up regular
    deliveries. I have two bags
    delivered the first of every
    month. It is always right on
    time! If you order over $49
    Shipping is free. You can set up a six week delivery or every other month or longer if that’s how long it takes to use two bags. Chewy.com has items for cats and dogs. Not just pet food either. Hope I’ve been helpful!! Happy tails to all!

    Someone mentioned avoiding GMO foods. Believe me! I am anti GMO!!! In fact I am part of an awareness campaign against GMOs. We don’t even eat them. All organic when possible. We are on a fixed income since I am disabled and hubby had a stroke a yr ago this past september. So he was forced into retirement five yrs early and onto disability. It’s very tight, but they are all our furkids

  • lexi61

    make sure you are feeding a NON GMO diet – GMO are poison to us & our pets & royal canin is a GMO feed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUd9rRSLY4A

  • lexi61

    make sure you are feeding a NON GMO diet – GMO are absolute poison to us & our pets & royal canin is a GMO feed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUd9rRSLY4A

  • lexi61

    make sure you are feeding a NON GMO diet – GMO’s are absolute poison to us & our pets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUd9rRSLY4A

  • lexi61

    make sure you are feeding a NON GMO diet – GMO are absolute poison to us & our pets & royal canin is a GMO feed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUd9rRSLY4A

  • lexi61

    make sure you are feeding a NON GMO diet to children & pets – do not feed it unless it says NON GMO – GMO’s are absolute poison to us & our pets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUd9rRSLY4A

  • lexi61

    make sure you are feeding a NON GMO diet – GMO are absolute poison to us & our pets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUd9rRSLY4A

  • aimee

    Hi Phyllis,
    From your history I’d think it unlikely that the increased drinking was food related. I’d expect a food related issue to resolve fairly quickly once off the problematic food and you said your dog continued to drink excessively for several months after changing foods.

    The things I can think of that could be food borne and continue for months after stopping the food I’d have expected to have shown up in blood work.

    If your dog is doing well on Natural Balance then great!
    I personally am “gunshy” of Natural Balance LID as I recall a period when users where reporting whole grains of corn embedded into their LID. this could be a reason your vet was concerned.

    Sounds like you have a good vet!

  • Phyllis Cameron

    Maybe there was a misunderstanding in my original post – it was NEVER determined the cause was for certain the Royal Canin HD so I am not putting any blame on the vet. She is actually a very good doctor and the Clinic is in a vet. college. My rescue dog has a lot of issues which she has addressed with skill – I suspect that like all prescriptions there is never enough follow-up on potential problems possibly being linked to the drug or food made by the pharmaceutical industry. Too bad that that industry has become so imbedded in both the animal as well as human health care system. Personally I would like to put this wonderful dog on a raw food diet but when I’ve tried he won’t eat it even if I cook it a bit. Darn it.

  • theBCnut

    This is a huge sign that you vet’s ego is bigger than his care for your dog. I wouldn’t go back to that vet.

  • Dori

    It is totally uncalled for that your dogs vet wasn’t pleased that you took him off a food that was making him sick. That’s ridiculous. Did he expect you to let your dog be ill? Vets??? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrh!!!!

  • 4FootedFoodie

    That’s terrible that your vet was upset you took your dog off of a food that even s/he admitted was causing excessive urination.

  • sue66b

    Hi Phyllis, I’d say it was the R/C HP.. My boy was put the R/C Hypoallergenic & the fat was 19% he got Pancreatitis the R/C made him so ill…I live Australia the fat% is higher I think..stick with the NB if he’s better, I use the Wellness Simple now its a limited ingredient kibble & heaps better then Royal Canin crap…

  • Phyllis Cameron

    My dog was put on RC Hypoallergenic Diet (soy based) which seemed to clear up most of the itching and ear infections. However after one and a half years on that diet he started to urinate very frequently, including in the house on occasion (and he is a big dog so that was certainly not normal) and to drink excessive amounts of water. I recorded his water intake over three days and the vet agreed it was excessive. Dog was tested for several possibilities all negative. I switched his diet back to Natural Balance Limited and after several months those weird symptoms disappeared. Now he drinks and urinates normal amounts.I do rotate his food to a different protein base on a monthly basis (but always NBLID) cause if I don’t his ears get infected and he starts to vomit again. Was the urine problem from the RC special diet? Who knows but I won’t go back to it. Vet wasn’t pleased that I took him off of it.

  • Samantha Innes

    Hi there. I’m sure you have found a good food for your dog by now but just thought I’d share my little girls story. I have a female pitbull that we got at 3months old and have be struggling for 8months now with severe food allergies. She would scratch herself till she bled, on her face, her arm pits and would get constant ear infections. We thought it could be flea allergy but it wasn’t so next step was food! Options we have tried! Orijin 6 fish, acana adult, Hill z/d, eukanuba dermatosis, brown rice egg veggies and a raw meat diet from a company called “dog matters” all pellets she broke out terribly and with the brown rice but with the raw she had minimal scratching and no rash but we just couldn’t get weight on her she was eating 700g of meat a day and an extra 500g mashed veggies to try bulk her up but she wouldn’t put on weight. We have now just recieved our 1st bag of Anallergenic from royal canin to try. I was also hesitant to try it as the fact it was chicken feathers put me off and I’d heard negative reviews about it, I couldn’t find much information about it yet because it is only launching here in South Africa on Tuesday. We have only been on it for just over 1week but The results so far are AMAZING! My little girl hardly itches, no rash and is carrying weight now!!! No matter what peoples negative reviews are about the food all I can say is it has worked for my little girl! It has truly been a life saver! I will recommend anyone to try it! It might not work for everyone but it worked for us!!

  • aimee

    The corn is in the form of corn starch. The starch is a purified component that is theoretically free of corn protein which is the component that usually is the trigger of the adverse food reaction.

  • Kim Mickey

    I am feeding my dogo argentino the Anallergenic diet by RC. First ingredient is Corn. Breeder said both his mom and dad were allergic to corn and stay away from it. We are doing an elimination diet but he’s gotten worse with his itching, not better on this food. Have you heard anything in relation to Corn?

  • Penny

    So I am researching hypoallergenic, and that is what it says at top of this page, but you all are discussing anallergenic

  • LabsRawesome

    DEFINITELY!!! When she started freaking out saying that we MADE her take her food back, and now she had nothing to feed her dogs. I was like, someone’s got major issues. And then she asked that question. LMAO!

  • Cyndi

    I’m sure she had to have seen what I wrote, lol! I hope. But yeah, that’s a strange one there…

  • LabsRawesome

    :

  • Cyndi

    Edit* don’t want to get in trouble, lol!

  • LabsRawesome

    :

  • Cyndi

    Absolutely!!! I made a comment, not sure if you saw that, but Dr. Mike deleted it, along with hers & yours. I was ROFL to myself and busting that I wanted to say something cuz you’re the only other one that saw it I believe. LOL!

  • LabsRawesome

    LMAO!! She’s got issues!!

  • Cyndi

    Edit** I so bad wanted to say something to you after I read that last night!! LOL!!

  • Shawna

    NICE Labs!!! :)

    A favorite quote of mine is from Dr. Royal Lee “One of the biggest tragedies of human civilization is the precedence of chemical therapy over nutrition.” :)

  • LabsRawesome

    Let Food be Thy Medicine & Thy Medicine be Thy Food – Hippocrates

  • Shawna

    Of course different schools may teach differently and those specializing in pediatrics may learn different aspects than those specializing in senior care but I found this article by a RD working in senior care interesting.

    “During my clinical training as a dietitian, I was not taught holistic nutrition principles. I did not learn the benefits of herbs, or of the importance of whole foods, probiotics, enzymes, or organically grown foods to good health. I did not learn to use vitamin and mineral supplementation to overcome illness or disease. I did not understand that poor nutrition is probably the cause of most disease and poor health conditions in the first place. I had no idea that we require cholesterol and saturated fat to be well. I did not learn that the nutritional value of grass-fed beef was superior to grain-fed beef, or of the importance of iodine coupled with the avoidance of bromine for proper thyroid function, and so on.

    During training I learned approaches that analyze and treat. I was taught how to calculate nutritional needs, count calories and protein, prescribe parenteral (intravenous) nutrition, and restrict particular electrolytes in a renal diet. I learned the nutritional implications of medications and the differences in tube feeding and supplement formulas.

    I was taught we should eat less fat and more grain products. I was led to believe that pharmaceutical therapy was necessary and that nutrition made little or no impact in treating an already established condition. My continuing education hours were offered free by the pharmaceutical industry. During these classes I was taught about their “new and improved” Ensure and other products they were promoting.” http://www.westonaprice.org/health-issues/a-dietitians-experience-in-the-nursing-home

    A Registered DIETICIAN not learning the “importance of whole foods”????????

    Health, politics and big business are very much entwined and therefore, in my opinion, not always reliable.

  • USA Dog Treats

    This is from the canadian label for Anallergenic

    “COMPOSITION: maize starch, feather hydrolysate “…

    This is from the US website for the same food:

    “Formulated with hydrolyzed feather protein,”

  • aimee

    Actually it isn’t really hydrolyzed feathers either.

    The NICU’s by me have RD’s that specialize in neonates on staff. Critical care medicine is a team sport.

  • Shawna

    OMGosh!!!!! I need to re-read this when my brain is fresh but OH MY GOSH!!!

    This is being used as fish and “terrestrial” feed which then could be fed to our kids and pets… On top of it’s other implications… Another resistant e-coli…..great!!!! Ughhh

    Thanks for posting this!!! I may have additional comments after re-reading.. :)

  • USA Dog Treats

    Hi Shawna,

    Here is an interesting study:

    “Feather Meal: A Previously Unrecognized Route for Reentry into the Food Supply of Multiple Pharmaceuticals and Personal Care Products (PPCPs)”

    http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/HealthyPets/EST-Study.pdf

  • Fantasia Levi

    Hello I have a small breed dog about 11 pounds mixed breed . His name is roary and he is still a puppy . About two months ago i he started itching really bad (mostly on the ears) so i took him to the vet and the prescribed him the Royal Canine Hypoallergenic food which he love and it cleared up his ears and stopped him from itching . Ive recently switched back to the old too to make sure that it was the food he was allergic to . And it must be because he is back to itching . Does anyone know of a food that is comparable to The Royal Canine Hypoallergenic small breed that is less expensive ?

  • Shawna

    Sorry, hydrolyzed feathers. :)

    Pediatricians don’t necessarily have a therapeutic knowledge of diet and nutrition (say as a CCN would). Do neonatologists. Like vets, are they often, as Dr. Bovee so eloquently stated in an article he wrote, influenced by industry. “If we as professionals are uncertain about the facts concerning a controversy, we are likely to put ourselves in someone else’s hands who appears to have authority. Power to command this authority is in the hands of commercial advertisements that promote these special products with misleading messages.”

    We all hear the stories about how the pharmaceutical industry actively “markets” to doctors. Is that not happening with these companies that make these baby formulas too?

    I just found out last week that we have to provide a “doctor’s note” for my grandson to eat gluten free at daycare (even though we provide the food) because the USDA told the staff member in charge of feeding that, per her words, “gluten is necessary in the diet”. Head slap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    PS — that same daycare provider told me in the meeting headed by a USDA official that only milk or soy milk could be served without a doctor’s note.. Almond milk, which is what my grand babies pediatrician recommends, is not an option. Whatever…… There is NO WAY you can convince me it isn’t, in many cases, more about money and politics then it is about health.

  • aimee

    Shawna,

    Please then, for the sake of all the NICU babies with severe life threatening GI problems, go out educate all the countries top GI neonatologists on the “better” way to save these infants lives.

    I’m sure they’d be most interested to know that they have options that you have knowledge about and that they aren’t aware of.

    RC doesn’t make a feather meal diet.

  • Shawna

    It may have “saved her child’s life”. But it certainly wasn’t the ONLY, and likely not best as well, option to save that life.

    A veterinary nutritionist could design a much more species appropriate and nutrient dense diet than what is found in the RC feather meal diet. Surely you don’t disagree with that?

    Edit — I should have said “Certain veterinary nutritionists could design”

    2nd Edit — shoot, some dog owners could do better as well… I was able to identify the four foods Audrey reacts to without resorting to prescription diets let alone one made from feathers.. Many others can say the same.

  • aimee

    What you find ridiculous others find life saving. Close to when the RC diet was launched I had a conversation with a mother whose child was raised on neocate. She said it saved her child’s life.

  • Shawna

    Yes, I do still find it ridiculous. They couldn’t find a “food” source of protein to hydrolyze for these poor dogs (and BABIES).. And for that matter, eating anything hydrolyzed long term (or not so long term in some individuals) has very profound consequences of its own. Fix a baby by breaking it another way.. Makes perfect sense!!!!! Ridiculous

    I had an aha moment when I woke up this morning. In the link you sent me to the baby formula the article specifically states that others use milk. Lectins do not break down with digestion. If they don’t break down with hydrolyzation either…….. Maybe dairy lectins are more of a problem then some of us might think? Problem enough that a company resorts to making baby formula from feathers… Ughh

  • aimee

    I think the issue lies in the degree of hydrolyzation. Longer peptide chains still present that are still capable of causing a reaction vs a di or tri peptide.

    I looked up the profile and as I remember it is deficient in several AA. Of note there are individual AA in the ingredient list.

    RC often publishes their full nutrient analysis on line. You could use that to compare to the requirements.

    I was told only the main feather shaft is used and the feathers are collected under strict process specifically for this purpose. This product is very different from feather meal that is sometimes used in livestock feed

  • Shawna

    Interesting!!

    I wonder if it’s not actually the amino acids in milk that are the problem as an amino acid is an amino acid be it from soy or milk — as you have stated in the past. I wonder if it isn’t the beta casomorphin 7 or something else yet to be identified that is causing the reaction in those children that still react to “hydrolosates” —- which the linked article states contains milk proteins.

    Do you know how the amino acid profile of feathers compares to eggs or soy or any other protein rich food? I just earlier read digestibility, per Tyson, is apparently low necessitating the need for hydrolyzation.

  • aimee

    I can give you my opinion though I certainly would never claim to specialize in evaluating dog food : )

    In regards to Anallergenic I agree that feathers are an odd sounding novel source of Amino Acids. RC told me they purchase the AA’s from a company in the Netherlands??( shoot I can’t remember), and that it is the same product produced for and used in the infant formula neocate http://www.neocate.com/blog/hydrolysate-formulas-vs-amino-acid-based-formulas/

    I do not see any other protein/AA source in the ingredient list I have. I do see coconut oil and soy oil.

    Is this a good food to use for an elimination food trial. Probably… but I always have a little question mark in regards to hydrolyzed diets. It has been shown that a certain percentage of dogs that react to the base ingredients will react to the hydrolyzed version.

    This diet has a higher degree of hydrolyzation than the other products on the market so theoretically it would not occur but in my mind it is still a question.

    Therefore, IMOHO I’d be more likely to use this food in a dog with severe GI problems, kind of like the use of these specialized formula in infants with GI problems, vs an elimination trial for adverse food reaction (especially if my dog had been exposed to chicken in the past).

    I think all the comments your vet made regarding cross contamination in foods purchased in the general market are valid.

    If you are going to do an elimination trial then I’d use a vet formulated product or home cooked. Food trials are a pain to do and you want it to be a “clean” as possible.

    I lean towards a novel protein/carb trial:. hydrolyzed or not My own dog has been on RC select protein VP

    I wouldn’t have any concerns about feeding Anallergenic in regards to safety or nutritional content.

  • Eadie Rowell

    Amanda, I am having a very difficult time with a company that Forbes is interviewing and the man openly admits he is proud of the chicken feathers used in the RC anallergenic brand. Granted he claims the company spent 10 yrs. working on the process and finding this protein, but the company also disagrees with organic diets for pets. I am not feeding my dog feathers and soy. At least not until someone unbiased that knows dogs’ nutritional needs and can evaluate the truth behind boiling down chicken feathers and feeding a dog GMO soy as a second protein source. As a matter of fact, doesn’t the fact that this brand has to have two proteins instead of one bring up doubt that chicken feathers boiled down is not a complete source of protein. Then you do not have a novel protein diet, do you? I mean the boiled down feathers are one source of protein and the soy is another source. Hmmm Another thing that bothers me is in the article about the Forbes interview it was mentioned RC is attempting to move into the Chinese market. I don’t trust that behind the scene deals are not being made between this company and China. Perhaps I am connecting our lobbyists and the governments ability to be swayed with a deal to allow a company come into China and market a product. Regardless I do not like it.

  • theBCnut

    Unless your dog is having severe allergic reactions like hives, facial swelling, anaphylaxis, it is probably a food hypersensitivity rather than a true allergy. In that case, a regular grain free food should be fine. Don’t be surprised though if it turns out your dog is also reacting to chicken or something else too. Unfortunately, it’s not uncommon.

  • Eadie Rowell

    Please help! My vet is usually amazing, but this time I have my doubts! I have an 11 mo. old springer who had a severe yeast infection, he was eat up with fleas when I got him (rescued him and a sister at 6 wks from a so-called breeder). He developed a secondary skin infection and was on antibiotics for 6 weeks before we could get him 100% cleared up. Then I gave him two weeks of probiotic powder packets on his meals. Took him back last Friday and told my vet I have him on a grain free diet. I’ve been feeding him Wellness, CORE. I chose it after a great deal of research. When I told the vet, she made a very good point. No food is 100% grain free if it is produced in the same plant as dog foods with grain products. She compared it to a person with a peanut allergy. Even though we know a Hershey bar doesn’t have peanuts in it, it is still a threat to an allergic person if it was made on or by the same machinery making the bars that do have peanuts. Made total sense. Then she told me she had a Royal Canin sales rep. come in that morning and he did a demonstration with info on their dog food which is supposed to be hypoallergenic. A red flag went up as soon as she said “sales Rep”. If they are like pharmaceutic sales reps I do not trust them!!! She didn’t have any of the food in stock and had to order me two bags. This was her first order and she’d likely never seen the bags. I got them today and I am near sick AND good and mad! It is Royal Canin “Anallergenic.” I cannot find any info except from an article quoting “Forbes” and at the site “chewy.com” I don’t trust either to feed my dogs. What really has me upset is a few things. I did what research I can on the food online because the bag does not list one single ingredient!! I am NOT in the habit of feeding myself or my cats and dogs anything I do not know what is in it. So, I go and look up the company and the type of food, only to find out the main ingredient is “CHICKEN FEATHERS” (for protein) which the top guy with Royal Canin, Kevin Levy, says are boiled down in a “VERY EXPENSIVE” process to have the end result be some amino acid the dog needs and the next ingredient they are bragging on for added protein, “SOY”!! I guarantee you the soy is GMO soy or they would be bragging it was not. What they do say is too many people think organic and that is not what their studies show a dog needs. What? Instead they need boiled down chicken feathers and GMO soy for a dog that appears to be grain allergic? For that matter, for any animal???) I just want to scream at my vet and ask her “what were you thinking?” Can anyone tell me a good reliable source where I can get an unbiased opinion on this food who specialize in evaluating dog foods for their value to a dog and not the manufacturer? Thanks all. This is my first day checking y’all out and it sounds like there are some well informed people on here. Have a wonderful day

  • Meghan

    Royal Canin never has recalls – they did however have one back in 2007 which they are very open about on their site for everyone to see. Basically someone purposely duped their system and got contaminated ingredients into the factory. Since then they have improved their quality control with the NIRS system.

    “The pet food recall in the Spring of 2007 had to do with protein-based ingredients imported from China. We do not import any protein-based ingredients from China. We take the quality and safety of our ingredients very seriously. We have many testing procedures in place as part of our standard quality measures. Furthermore, we have an exhaustive plant audit and continuous monitoring procedure in place for all suppliers around the globe. The use of the NIRS machine (Near-Infrared Spectrophotometer) ensures that ingredients meet a “fingerprinting” profile of a world-wide database of ingredient standards to virtually eliminate the opportunity for contamination.”

    http://www.royalcanin.ca/index.php/FAQ/Ingredients#sthash.H8NQefF6.dpuf

    The kibble I purchase is made it ontario, canada.

  • Sharon Daniell

    I will be looking for alternatives starting tomorrow and am open to suggestions for an IBD dog on a limited protein food. Thanks.

  • Sharon Daniell

    Just a warning to RC canned venison users. This is the second piece of plastic that I have found this week in my case of very expensive prescription food I order through my vet. If there isn’t a recall because of this, I will be very disappointed.
    I had heard there was a problem with getting quality venison, but this is a different problem. I have included the lot info as well.

  • magnoliasouth

    Oops, and I meant to also say that one thing to help her itchiness is a powder I make at home. It’s dirt cheap too. I just take some oatmeal and whir it up in my food processor and put it in a salt shaker. I then shake that on her belly. She sometimes licks some of it off but it also helps to decrease the itching and inflammation. It’s just a real battle.

  • magnoliasouth

    I agree about the testing, please update us too on that. Aside from that, my dog also has a lot of skin allergies that I suspect are environmental and is something I cannot control. She is probably allergic to grass, but I cannot pull the grass up from my yard because of it. Sadly.

    In any case, the only food I have come to absolutely love, is Wellness Core Ocean Formula. I’ve tried a number of dog foods, assuming that her allergy was food related.

    I fed my dogs Nutro Natural Choice for years and was happy with the result, but then my girl got a nasty ear infection that resulted in two surgeries. I switched to a grain free product of theirs, but noticed no improvement (they now have a sensitive skin, but I’ve not tried that). I then switched to Blue Wilderness Salmon and that was good. The problem was that it got recalled and was taken off the shelves.

    I finally ended up with Wellness Core and wow. Her coat is amazing. I always thought it looked good, but never like this. Her skin isn’t nearly as dry, but she still has a lot of itching on her belly. The rest of her body however, isn’t as bad. I attribute this to what touches the grass the most, which would be her belly.

    It’s expensive food. I’ve had people tell me that making their own dog food isn’t that expensive but with her limits on food that she can eat, it would be more expensive than Wellness.

    Another thing is oral coconut oil. I had a vet recommend that and that stuff is amazing. It really does help. She has a sensitive tummy, so cannot take a lot, but that really does make a difference too.

    Hope this helps.

  • Vickie Carrillo

    Thank you! I will look.

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Vickie-
    There is a recall tab at the top of this page. Click on that and you can sort alphabetically if you want to find a specific brand easier. Also on the top right side, you can sign up for recall alerts. Good luck to you!

  • Vickie Carrillo

    I just started my dogs on Royal canin adult selected protein pr veterinary diet because one of my dogs has allergies. I am always concerned about recalls and such. Are there recalls on this particular Royal Canin? Or stories about kidney failure and such? I notice the bag says made in the USA, and I’m assuming it’s different than the other types of Royal Canin. I am just concerned for my dogs’ health. Thanks.

  • Diana Dv

    Hi Becky: I have a mini Schnauzer with allergies and Crystals as your Golden Retriever. I’m searching for new food and came across your post. Have you found any food that is good for you dog?
    I’ll appreciate your comments.
    Thanks,
    Diana

  • Zoparedo

    FYI RC won’t be able to produce this until at least mid February due to venison shortage

  • l riley

    My concern was it would change all the time. The bag design, the size of the bag, the color, texture and color of the kibble. I wasn’t ever sure what they were getting

  • Huskymum

    I’d agree about testing her for thyroid. My Siberian had the same symptoms, especially the tail hair loss and it turned out to be hypothyroid. But, I’m convinced it was caused by having him on The HP formula. Soy is goitrogenic. He was fine on raw diet, but a gastro vet talked me into putting him on the HP. I really regret it.

  • Sharon

    My 7 year old shih-tzu had two surgery (he developed a lump like on his whole body and two of them grew as big as my palm – its’s not cancer *touchwood*) and the doctor suspected that it was allergy to the food I fed him (I’ve fed him Acana – Orijen) so he recommended RC Hypoallegen (the doc could not rule out why my dog has that skin problem..) – now my dog is doing much better! However, I did hear that the dog (from some pet shop guy) food isn’t suppose to be a long term thing…

  • Helga

    Becky,
    Our mixed breed ( 1/2 golden retriever 1/2 border collie) has horrible food allergies and after a lot of research and headache he is finally doing pretty well. We put him on natural balance LID venison and sweet potato and I mix it with Ziwipeak venison ( our boy cannot have ANY fish related food) . I mix because I don’t think natural balance LID is an excellent food by itself and ziwipeak is really great dog food. Maybe you can give it a try with your boy. The novel protein diet was the only that worked here. Hope that helps!

  • Rebecca Jean

    Thanks that is good to know..

  • Sky Soldier

    Suggest you have your dog tested to see if it may have Cushing’s disease and also Thyroid disease. Our dog tested negative for it yet had all the symptoms. We put her on the med for Cushings and her hair grew back and in a prettier color too!

  • Rebecca Jean

    My vet recommends this hypoallergenic food, for allergies & crystals in his urine….He eats Nutrisca Grain Free Chicken.. I boil hamburger to mix in..He is a 5 yr old Golden Retriever in good health…He eats 4 cups a day. I am not sold on this food at all….Any suggestions????? Thanks…Becky

  • Pattyvaughn

    Without knowing what you have fed her in the past, it’s hard to recommend something to try, other than the general “Go with a completely different protein and carb source than anything she has had in the past.”

  • Layla

    HI, my 6 1/2 year old rescue Keeshond came to us with undiagnosed tail hair loss two years ago. Since then we’ve been on a roller coaster of tail hair loss, sores from scratching, antibiotic, infrequent Prednisone, etc.Vet sent us to a vet derm who recommended a diet change, and she is now on the RC hypoallergenic select protein venison and potato-more than a year. She was almost healed until we bathed her in a vet Rx gentle shampoo. Next day she lost all her tail hair, and has been losing hair ever since; also has tons of dandruff. We have to do allergy testing, but I’d like to try a different diet. Suggestions? I’m not impressed with the RC after reading the analysis here.

  • Ashley

    About a week ago my dashund’s vet put him on the rc hp diet because he is always scratchy. So we mostly feed him the can food. And after he gets done eating is keeps sticking his tongue out kind of like he is licking the air. Also we have such a hard time getting him to eat it. Has anyone else had any other problems like this?

  • Mizmo

    The website says its made by Diamond.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Did your vet test your dog for EPI?

  • Cil

    Arydeb, I will say I am a huge advocate for the high end grain free diets. In fact my shepherd mix in one of those, but I almost killed my shepherd by having him on the same food that my mix has always been on. At the end of the day the RC SP (soy protien) was the only thing that worked for him (for now). Every dog needs something different for they way that they are chemically made up. Where my mix needs a grain free diet, that almost killed my shepherd because due to his intestines he was unable to digest the food and he needs that high carbohydrate percentage. For him that is the only way he can absorb any of the protien. Without it he goes from being a 70 lb dog to a 50 lb dog no matter how much I feed. The vet diets are very safe and well made for the purpose they were created. If that’s what works for your dog, use it. Don’t be so worried, and keep switching when something actually works. Why end up back in the ER, you know? Good Luck.

  • Bill

    Thank you for your review. My dog was on this diet, but this month it developed a large spleen that had to be removed: I am concerned that this condition may be related to the diet, can you help me with your feedback on this issue? Obviously I do not think asking its Vet since he is the one that recommended this diet, my pet is ten years old.

  • barry

    actually she is a great cook and I don’t want to deprive her of the opportunity to feed me….I am responsible for Thursday, and Sat. night meals…that means…restaurants,and more restaurants…!!!

  • Betsy Greer

    Oh gosh barry, my mom would say, “What’s a madder? Your fingers broken?”

    ; )

  • Pattyvaughn

    For him, she can at least make a big batch and freeze it. Well, maybe she can do that for you too. 😉

  • barry

    I can’t wait to tell my wife she has to cook for him AND me!!!
    thx

  • Pattyvaughn

    Novel protein is a protein that he has never had before. You may have to home cook for him for a while to give him 1 protein and 1 carb.

  • barry

    my GS has perianal fistula..the Dr. has said to put him on 1 “novel” protein diet, whatever that is….has been on limited ing. foods but Dr isn’t happy with progress..wants to put him on RC?….any other suggestions out there….can only eat 1 protein and 1 carb…since I have 3 other big dogs…price is a consideration
    just put him on Nature’s Valley Turkey Meal this week
    thanx

  • Amanda

    For an example, “Rice ingredients containing arsenic”.
    This may be true, however it will never be true with a Royal Canin / Medical line of dog or cat food. Why? Because this company does independent testing for EACH BATCH of ingredients that go into making their products whether it be a meast source (limited in true hypoallergenic diets due to allergies) or a small mineral cointent. IF and when there are descrepancies, this company does NOT allow the product into their processing plant to contaminate any of their food inside. Just ONE of the many benefits of feeding a veterinary exclusive diet. Also, for a true evaluation to be made on a food, wouldn’t it be important to indicate which specific diet we are looking at? Um, yea! Hypoallergenic, Hypo HP, Vegetarian, Skin Support to name a few hypo diets in their line. Just saying.

  • Amanda

    Your information is NOT correct here.

  • Dee

    My cocker spaniel used to have pancreatitis. Her blood tests always had high amylase and lipase readings. I have been giving her Allerderm EFA-Caps HP for about 2 years now and her last two blood tests showed her Amylase and lipase normal. I think it’s the Omega 3. She also has allergies. Which isn’t as bad as they could be. I just found out about coconut oil and I am going to try that for her allergies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000432721296 Nat Reader

    tried natures and he went water with just a 10% addition. He went through an entire elimination diet testing etc to determine his protein tolerances. Luckly RC started shipping again and his poo is again perfect and his tummy has settled :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000432721296 Nat Reader

    tried grandmas…he would not touch it….had to throw it out….

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Nat –

    Grandma Lucy’s definitely would not be more expensive than Royal Canin Rx. From what I’ve seen the canned Rabbit Rx runs about $3.60 per can and has about 400 kcal. per can. Grandma Lucy’s Pureformance Rabbit is about $1.60 per cup and has about 600 kcal. per cup. In terms of cans of RC and cups of GL you would have to feed about 50% more RC to meet your dogs energy needs than you would GL. To compare apples to apples – 400 kcal. worth of GL costs $1.07 and 400 kcal. worth of RC costs $3.60 – the RC you’re feeding now costs 3X as much as GL.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Which kibble is that? As for canned, Nature’s Logic has a Rabbit formula canned. Grain-free (unlike their dry food). It does have “turkey liver” in in, too, but probably worth a try regardless. Nature’s Variety Instinct Rabbit also comes in canned, with “pork liver”. FWIW, my guy can’t do chicken, chicken meal, etc but can do chicken liver.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000432721296 Nat Reader

    Hie has a kibble he is perfect on….this is the canned we mix in….Only looking for canned, not frozen or patty…..Has to be grain free with no other protein…so far RC is only one that has that whenyou look at ingredients. With a 100 pound shepherd the Lucy’s is way too expensive . Raw, patties and freeze dried give himruns

  • Maggie

    Is there any hypoallergenic diet dat is also low fat? I’m face tothepossibility that my protein intolerant dog is also suffering from chronic pancreatitis.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I’m not sure what specific ingredients your dog has issues to but you may want to check out Grandma Lucy’s Pureformance Rabbit, Nature’s Variety Instinct Rabbit or Nature’s Logic Rabbit. If your dog can tolerate any of these foods they’d be much healthier (and likely cheaper) than the RC.

  • National Reader

    Well, spoke to RC and there is still an ongoing shortage of the rabbit type they use….sigh….down to 12 cans. RC says we will need to find another food to transition him to because they do not know when they will be able to get it to market again in the near future. It was the only thing that worked for my boy.

  • Stephanie Brown

    After starting the RC rabbit potato, which my lab pup loves, his stools are much better. BUT – I was concerned from the very beginning about the fact that it isn’t a “puppy” food. Doesn’t my growing lab need more?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi FScottS40Love,

    I’m so happy to hear Rufus is doing better.

    Unfortunately, since our reviews and ratings have nothing to do with the results obtained from feeding any particular food, we would have no way of knowing which foods could be effectively used a substitute for this RC vet product.

    Because of what Rufus has been through for so long, it might be better for you to stick with your new found “winner”.

    Wish I could be more help.

  • http://twitter.com/fscots40Love FScotS40Love

    Mike,
    Our dog Rufus (Mixed breed, shepherd/hound/retreiver) has had cowpaddy poops since we adopted him a few months ago. After several attempts at vearious foods our vet took biopsies from the stomache, large intestines and small intestines and as it turns out his system can not process proteins. After switching him to the Royal Canin PV he has firm poops for the first time. His energy level is up and I am very happy except for the cost. Is there a brand of food that is comparable (or actually better) that would suit his needs at a more affordable cost? $90/25-pound bag is fairly expensive for a dog of his size.

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  • Fetlock4

    That is because Kirkland is the same food, made in the same factory as the Royal Canin. I was told this by a veterinarian.

  • Slmcgregor

    I have, in the past, tried other foods besides the Royal Canin Veterinary line.  I have tried Acana, Orijen, and Technical in the past.  Price is an issue for me, but all of the other foods were close to the same price anyway.  I was swayed by all the anti-corn/anti-wheat talk, and so decided to try to switch.  I was also careful to make sure that I tried each food for at least 6 months.  But I keep coming back to Royal Canin (formerly MediCal) because the empirical evidence is clear.  My dogs’ coats look fantastic and they poop less on the Royal Canin food.  I can’t argue with that no matter what the anti-corn people try to tell me.

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    I wouldn’t go so far as to call Royal Canin a waste of money, but it is most definitely way over priced. As are all prescription diets, which include Hill’s and Purina.

  • CarliSeymore

    My vet recommended this for my black lab when her skin became almost rhino like. It was grey, flakey, and she began to lose all her hair. Then she would scratch all over until she made herself bleed. I tried it out, but the recommended feeding was so high that the $75 23 pound bag was gone in almost a week and a half. I now feed her the Kirkland brand salmon and potato grain free and her skin looks better now than it did on this expensive crap. Waste of money if you ask me!

  • ARK

    I feed my Collie the RC HP.  It’s done wonders for his allergies and skin.  However, he had gotten to the point where he wouldn’t eat it, so I started giving him a canned topper, ZiwiPeak, Hound & Gatos, or Nature’s Variety Instinct, and now he cleans his bowl. I do like this food and it smells really fresh.  I tried changing him to another grain-free kibble, which was cheaper, but he started scratching so I went back to the RC HP and will continue to feed him this food.   

  • http://www.prairie-creations.com/ Krissy

      Great link to post Sandy!!!

    So many people think they can throw together some meat, rice and veggies
    and that’s a homemade dog food diet and that it’s better for their dogs
    than kibble.  But that isn’t always the case if it’s not balanced for
    the dog.  They have different needs than people.  Homemade diets can do
    more harm then good in some cases.  

    I like how he makes a simple basic recipe/diet but I’m not to keen on
    all that hamburger if it’s a higher fat burger.  But that’s another
    topic.  But how he uses two supplements to make it a balanced diet for a
    dog.

    Hopefully more people check out his blog and read between the lines on the important stuff and don’t ignore those details!!! 

  • Storm’s Mom

    Performatrin Ultra Grain Free Small Bites might be an option too, since you have Pet Valu (it’s their “store brand”, Mike’s given it 5-stars here). It’s a fantastic value! It’s got Salmon, Duck and Turkey for the proteins.

  • Donna Saban

    Thank you so much for all your suggestions. I live near Leduc, Ab I found the Acana Senior put 5 lbs on my mexican chihauhau I need the fish based but not with all the calories. We have Pet Valu & Pet Pro’s to shop at out here. I have a hard decision deciding which food I should feed JoJo as she is also way overweight by those 5lbs & I am having a hard time getting them off she is 9yrs old & less active. And has to take aspirin as when I walk her she aches for days.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    This is a very easy recipe with only 5 ingredients and no chicken, wheat and cheese.

    http://homemadedogfood.com/easy-cooked-dog-food-recipe/

  • Storm’s Mom

    Donna Saban – I’d suggest trying a grain-free fish-based formula, like Earthborn Holistic Coastal Catch, Acana Pacific, Orijen 6 fish, Darford Fish, Horizon Legacy Fish.  If you’re on budget (or even if you’re not), I’ve had fantastic results with Nutrisource Grain Free Lamb (it’s got Lamb and Salmon). If you’re in the US, you can order Brothers Complete ..they have a couple formulas that  might work.  See how she does on (any of) those…they are MUCH better food for her than Royal Canin!!!

  • BryanV21

    I’m looking at the ingredients and there is no wheat or cheese, and it uses chicken fat… not meat or meal. In fact, there’s no meat or meal of any kind listed, which is surprising.

    Brewers rice, hydrolyzed soy protein, chicken fat, natural flavors, dried beet
    pulp, monocalcium phosphate, vegetable oil, sodium silico aluminate, calcium
    carbonate, fish oil, fructooligosaccharides, potassium chloride, salt, taurine, choline
    chloride, vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), inositol,
    niacin supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), D-calcium
    pantothenate, biotin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), riboflavin supplement
    (vitamin B2), thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A acetate, folic acid,
    vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], L-tyrosine, L-lysine, marigold
    extract (Tagetes erecta L.), trace minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous
    sulfate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, copper sulfate, manganous
    oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite], rosemary extract, preserved with natural
    mixed tocopherols and citric acid.

    If health-wise this is all your dog can eat then okay, but your dog will not starve itself, so feeding it substandard food is unnecessary. There are plenty of good dry, wet, dyhydrated/freeze-dried, and raw foods available that would be a much more ideal choice. That ingredient listing is not good. Worst of all, you’re spending a ton on it.

  • Donna Saban

    I have my little dog on the Hypoallergenic HP & she will not eat anything else she loves it. It seems that she cannot eat anything without breaking out. I know it is wheat & chicken & cheese.

  • ARK

    Ash:  My Collie only has skin allergies.  The RC has worked for him topped with NV Instinct Grain-free canned.  He loved the Rabbit as well as the Vension and Duck. 

  • Ash

    Try a low residue diet….hills I/D is an example if you are dealing with a inflammatory bowel. Or talk to your vet about food testing.

  • ARK

    Thanks.  I sent RC an email and got an immediate response.  They are not discontinuing the Rabbit Formula, but as you stated, there is a shortage of rabbits and I was told that they won’t be producing the Rabbit Formula until this is solved.  At least we can still get the Venison and Duck formulas. 

  • Chelshad

    Try pepcid AC and royal canine rabbits and potato

  • Jhunt17729

    I understand they have a shortage of rabbits.  I can’t find it either.

  • ARK

    Does anyone know why ROYAL CANIN Veterinary Diet ADULT Rabbit Hypoallergenic Selected Protein Dry Kibble has been discontinued.  Can’t find it anywhere even online. 

  • Pat Riley

    My dog (JRT) has been son Science Diet C/T due to bladder stones.  I hate the product, but don’t know what else to fed her.  Any suggestions?

  • S2012

    We also are feeding our Westie the potato and rabbit formula for her allergies. A year and a half ago, the vet recommended this food and she has been on it ever since. She really likes it, and we slowly introduced the vegetable treats made by RC too, she missed getting treats! Now, she also can have apple cinnamon treats as well. We bathe her once a week in the prescribed shampoo and also wash her linens on a weekly basis. SUCH a great improvement. She still has allergies, but this makes it more manageable! 

  • Alice Berdy

     Was your diagnosed with Inflammatory Bowel Disease? My dog has been having so much trouble with vomiting I don’t know what to feed him anymore. I tried the duck version and it made him sick. I am going to try the venison and see how that goes. If he can tolerate the venison, I was going to supplement the diet with one meal of the frozen venison patties for more protein.

  • Crazymike66

    doesnt the royal canin dog food have duck in it instead of venison?  

  • Laurenleelarson

    I just got this today for allergies and my vet had a treat suggestion.  We are using the dry food, but he said to make small balls with the canned food and freeze them to be used as treats.

  • Carla Steinman

    You might want to try Dick Van Patten’s Limited Ingredient Natural Balance.  They have a venison and potato, but I think it’s a sweet potato. My GSD did well on it and liked it – her stools were great.   Still having problems with her skin, though and the vet wants me to try Hill’s Z/D (I just can’t go there after reading the review).  Good luck to you!

  • Tina

    Mgarv,

    I have a
    gordon setter and he has had some really bad skin conditions(very flakey and
    little scabs),  since he has been on this dog food(hypoallergenic HP, all his
    skin conditions have gone away.  He loves his treats too, so I only give him
    sweet potatoes(I dehydrate them myself but they see them on line(sammy
    yammies).  He has been on this food for about 6 months now and it took a while
    for his skin to be completely normal, but now his fur is soft and no more flakes
    or scabs

  • Travishawkins7

    I am going through the same with my 2yr old pit bull, she is the greatest dog, and it sucks that she has to be so limited. I have been feeding her royal canin potato and rabbit for about 3 months now, she seems to like it. The vet also gave us a 3 week supply of medicine, which takes the rash away, the meds ran out a week ago, still crossing my fingers it doesn’t come back. I wish the food was cheaper! Keep me posted

  • Scsegura

    I have a little black pug, and she was having skin conditions also on her face, and my vet put me on hypoallergenic adult pv dry dog food and its looking alot better now, and she seems to really like it too

  • Mgarv

    My dog was prescribed this food so that we can try and rule out what is causing her skin condition.  We had a number of expensive tests to rule out a various things like thyroid disorders, fungus, bacteria, etc.  The vet believes she has allergies.  We tried a skin spray that contained hormones, but she had an adverse reaction.  She is currently being bathed once a week with shampoo from the vet.

    She could have seasonal allergies (although it’s winter and we still see it), allergy to dust mites, or perhaps it has something to do with her diet.

    As it was explained to me, this formula has few ingredients and it is supposed to be the only thing she eats for at least two months.  We are primarily feeding her the canned version.

    So I am curious if anyone else is feeding this for allergies.  If so, I’d like to know if this has helped determine with the skin condition and with the dog’s skin allergy.  I’m wondering if we are going to find out nothing after two months or more of the trial.  She really misses her treats.

    Thanks for all the informative articles.

  • aimee

    Hi arydeb,

    My dog is on RC venison and potato and doing very well. Like your dog he had persistent problems. My guy had lack of appetite, vomiting, bloody stool, and days when he just felt unwell and stayed in his crate all day.

    After an extensive medical work up and several diet trials this diet is the charm! 

    The rating doesn’t reflect a lower plane of nutirtion as much as it does that the diet isn’t a high meat based diet.

      

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Arydeb,

    Unfortunately, due to the biological uniqueness of each pet, my reviews have absolutely nothing to do with trying to predict whether any food (prescription or otherwise) is right for any animal.

    As this article reminds readers:

    “Our ratings have nothing to do with the accuracy of claims made by the manufacturer as to this product’s ability to effectively treat or cure a specific health condition.

    So, to find out whether or not this dog food is appropriate for your particular pet, you must consult your veterinarian.”

    If this prescribed food is helping your greyhound stay healthy, then you surely continue to follow your veterinarian’s recommendation.

    This food may be 2.5 stars to us – but to your greyhound’s immune system, it’s must be a 5-plus!

    Hope this helps.

  • arydeb

    Hi Mike, I am quite discouraged by this review. The Royal Canin Rx Rabbit food seems to be the only one my recently  retired Greyhound tolerates. Since I got her about a year ago she had very loose stools no matter how good the food or how expensive or how I cooked for her. The advice from the Greyhound chat group was to learn to live with it, that loose stools are normal on Greys, till one day we ended up Emergency she was so dehydrated!  At that time, about 6 months ago, the ER Dr. put her on the RC Rabbit & Potato.  Since then, she’s had normal stools, 2 or 3 times a day, rather than 10! But I am concerned that perhaps she’s not getting enough nutrition?  I am now afraid to try anything else that might upset her tummy… It seems she’ll be on it for life, regardless of the cost.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Meagan,

    Hydrolyzed protein is protein that’s been broken down into its constituent amino acids. It is a proven way to treat animals who have been shown to suffer from numerous allergies.

    Unfortunately, since I’m not a veterinarian and due to the biological uniqueness of each pet, it would be inappropriate for me to provide specific health advice regarding your dog’s response to these products.

    Wish I could be more help.

  • Megan

    Mike:  Royal Canin has the Selected Protein which you reviewed here, but also has the Hydrolized Protein.  What is Hydrolized Protein?  I noted your comment above re: the “amount” of protein.  My dog suffers from joint inflammation and was on steroids for years until I got a new vet who suggested the Selected Protein.  He’s not been lame since unless I take him off the food, then he either gets very ouchy or goes dead lame.  That’s why I’ve stuck with it even though I can’t really afford it.  Now, I’m looking around for something cheaper and for the price am thinking I could feed him potatoes and meat myself.  

  • Megan

    Dear Mike Sageman:  I just want to thank you so very much for your reviews.  They are very helpful and your insights and reviews are very educational.  THANKS!

  • Megansambo

    My dog did very well on this food for several years until they changed the formulation and then some of his old symptoms began to come back.  I have stayed with the food because at least he still is overall fairly well, however, since it is so very overpriced, I am now considering a change.  Thanks Gabriele, you confirmed my feelings and observations about the new formula.  

  • Shawna

    That is AWESOME Sharky112!!!

    What recipe/s will you be using when you do the switch to grocery store meats?

  • Sharky112

     Rachel – we have a 2.5 yr old Dane – same problems + intermittent diarrhea and interdigital cysts in between toes. Tried everything, antibiotics, prednisone, LTD ingredient diets, prescription diets. What has FINALLY helped – we put him on Baytril for 2 weeks to help with the bacterial infections in his toes (from licking the open cysts) and put him on a raw diet. We started with chicken & have gradually added beef. (We are using Instinct Raw Frozen, but will be switching to grocery store meat soon). He’s doing great! The only drawback is the cost – but it’s worth it as it has resolved all the issues – itches, armpits, toes & diarrhea..Wishing you good luck!

  • Liisa

    Funnily enough, meat is not that cheap here.

    Originally I fed them raw chicken breasts, but it was pretty expensive and one of my dogs got v sick… The vet told me to avoid the chicken as a ‘main’ diet.

    Beef is v expensive, lamb is horrendously expensive (it has to be imported) and pork, I gather, is not good for dogs.

    I freeze pork spare ribs for 3 months before giving them to the dogs as a ‘supplement’ and treat every week.

  • sandy

    have you considered a raw diet there considering the abundance of different meat sources?

  • Liisa

    I have retired to Thailand and, as you can imagine, there are not too many choices of dog food available.

    As a couple of my dogs had mild allergy problems, I have fed them this brand for a couple of years – only to find that it has not helped at all…

    Not a problem, as I thought it was a ‘good’ (albeit incredibly expensive) brand, so at least my dogs were getting the best diet possible…

    I only wish I had discovered this web site a couple of years ago!

  • Rachelbirri

    We have a 1.5 year old Great Dane. When he was just a puppy, about 4 months, he started getting pink areas under his arms and stomach. They suggested it was allergies, so we tried medicated bathes and wipes. Then as he got older, about 8 months, it became a much larger problem. He had outbreaks of severe itchiness every day. He has been prescribed this exact brand of dog food. I can say that for the first few months it seemed to really help with his skin. Now I am not sure if it’s that his body has gotten used to it or if maybe the problem has changed but it is almost as bad as it was before he started the food. So at least in our case it didn’t help long term and it is very expensive. I am actually looking now for a new solution.

  • Lauren

    My dog Tango has many issues! Since adopting him 2 years ago, we’ve had issues with his stomach (diarrhea, loose stool, gas, etc.). A few months ago we switch to Blue Buffalo Basic, and it has tremendously improved his stomach issues. However, around the same time, Tango began developing itchy skin. He focuses on certain areas like the base of his tail, but mainly his paws (the underside of his paws are red and almost hairless at this point). Our vet seemed to think it was seasonal, so we did Benadryl/Prednisone/Temiral throughout the summer. As summer is now over, we expected his allergies to subside, but they have not. Our vet suggested a hyperallergenic food, so we chose RC Venison formula. I see a lot on here about improving bowels, but have you seen any improvements with skin and itching with this formula?

    We also plan on doing allergy testing soon. I know the skin test is more effective, but it is out of price range, so we are going to go with the blood test. In your professional opinion, have you seen better results with a different product regarding skin licking/biting/itching? Also, any suggestions with treats? Thank you!

  • sandy

    Valerie,

    Honest Kitchen Zeal is a whitefish & sweet potato food.

  • sandy

    Valerie,

    Have you tried a raw diet? Primal has a rabbit formula. They also have quail, pheasant, and turkey & sardine.

  • sandy

    Oh by the way – Nature’s Select has a salmon & sweet potato formula. It’s for sensitive stomachs. It’s salmon meal, brown rice, sweet potato meal, pumpkin meal, fish meal. I have one friend that’s switched her IBS boston terrier dog to this food with success.

  • sandy

    That’s ok. I’m a baby nurse by profession! Work around lots of stools!!

  • Valerie

    Thank you Sandy! I will look into it further! I have to say, we have only been using the PW formula for three days, we had to switch with no mixing because of the rabbit shortage, but we’ve had two full days of actually solid stools, which, has never happened before, ever. I’m very excited right now, sorry for the too much information.

  • sandy

    Valerie,

    Have you looked into Addiction foods? They have unique proteins like brushtail and kangaroo and rabbit. They have dehydrated raw, kibble and cans.

  • Valerie

    My dog also has IBD, he was on Z/D for a while, and although he looked better and was able to gain weight, his stools have never been solid. I had never been happy with feeding him that stuff, and was able to finally have the vet agree to let him try a limited ingredient diet. He had been on Natural Balance Duck and Sweet Potato before the z/d, but his health was still declining, so duck is out. We started feeding him the Hypoallergenic PR, and his stools started firming up almost immediately. Everything was looking great, but a month and a half later, we find out it’s on backorder everywhere, even online, apparently they are having issues importing the rabbit. The vet also said to check out EVO rabbit, and it is also out of stock, and I’m reading that they just periodically take it off the market. We are trying the whitefish, I hope it works out. I am happy that it actually smells like fish, but I am wondering about the third ingredient being powdered cellulose, something I thought I left behind with the Z/D… I really hope we can find a diet that works for him that you can actually get whenever you run out.

  • Gabriele Joiner

    Our 9 year old female dog Rottie/Aussie Mix has been on RC Potato-Venison for about 6 month and did very well on it until they changed the formulation. She does not like the new kibble and walks away from it unless I mix some deer meat in with it. I think that the company wanted to save money by changing the formulation, the new kibble looks different and smells different. I did inform our Vet about this and also called RC to let them know that I thought they cheapened the kibble with this new formulation and what the reaction of our dog was to the new food. I was told that they would pass this information on and that was it. I wish I could find an other product with just Venison and Potato in it as the only protein and carb source. I do think that this Dog Food is way over priced for what you get.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Ralphie… Since your dog appears to be improving, why switch? Unfortunately, due to the biological uniqueness of each pet, it would be impossible for me to provide custom product comparisons. Please see our FAQ page and our reviews for more information. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers.

  • Ralphie

    Because of an Inflammatory Bowel Disease that caused continuous diarrhea, my vet suggested that along with some medications I feed my dog Royal Canin Hypoallergenic PW (Potato & White Fish) kibble, which has resulted in some improvements.
    I tend to favor products made by Natural Balance. I am thinking to switch from Royal Canin to Natural Balance L.I.D. Sweet Potato and Fish formula which contains salmon rather than White Fish meal.
    Is it your opinion that Natural Balance may achieve the same results as Royal Canin or maybe better because of superior quality?
    Your input is greatly appreciated. Thank you

    Your input

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Michele… Thanks to your suggestion, I’ve added RC Veterinary Diets Hypoallergenic Select Protein in the canned version to my To Do list. However, due to our current backlog of products for review, it could be a while longer before we get to it. Thanks again for your suggestion.

  • Michele

    Will you please review the companion canned venison formula for this brand?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Janice… Oops. Thanks for catching that typo. I’ve now edited this review to correct the error. Thanks for calling it to my attention.

  • Janice

    The second ingredient above is listed as “venison meal.” Yet in your review you discuss the second ingredient simply as venison, with 80% moisture. Did you overlook something, or is there a typo above?

    Thank you, and best wishes.

  • erin c.

    thank you

    I believe the words “natural flavor” is in the ingredients list of ground beef at Frys grocery store. I kept staring at it and thinking, “Is that what I think it is?” I’ve never heard of such a thing. Why would they add flavoring to ground beef? I was suspicious so I quit buying it. Most of my time at the store is spent reading labels for both human and pet foods.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Erin… Natural flavors are food additives that may not actually be truly “natural”. Due to their high cost, most commercial flavorings are actually man-made flavorants that are in reality what are known as “nature-identical”. Nature-identical means they’re only the chemical equivalent of a true natural flavor extract.

    According to US Code, a natural flavor is:

    “the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrolysate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or any other edible portions of a plant, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation products thereof, whose primary function in food is flavoring rather than nutritional.”

    Hope this helps.

  • erin c.

    What does “natural flavors” mean exactly?