Royal Canin Veterinary Diets Gastrointestinal (Dry)

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Rating: ☆☆☆☆☆

Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Gastrointestinal Dog Food is not rated due to its intentional therapeutic design.

Notes and Updates

09/08/2010 Original review
05/09/2011 Review updated, no changes
12/04/2013 Last Update

  • Stacy L.

    It’s really interesting reading all of these comments…so many different experiences, both positive and negative. Having said that, my 15.5YO schnauzer/staffie mix Daisy was diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis a little over three years ago. Up until that point she was vomiting for no apparent reason every day, and just seemed sick. Our vet couldn’t figure out why (she’s always had a rather pitiful tummy) until we ran blood work and her amylase and lipase levels came back elevated. More testing, and we had our diagnosis. That day we switched her from Blue Buffalo something-or-other (it was a long time ago) and put her on the RC GI Lowfat. She hasn’t vomited since and has been completely asymptomatic, except for her amylase and lipase levels continuing to go up (we check her blood 4x/year). Last November I decided to add Mercola’s digestive enzymes for dogs into the mix and last month her enzyme levels came back NORMAL. No joke. She’s also been on super-low dose medrol for the pancreatic inflammation. We and our vet decided to run an experiment and see how she’d do off the steroids. We also, after having done a ton of internet research, switched her to Wellness Core Weight Management. Well, six weeks later and her enzyme levels have shot through the roof again and this time, her triglycerides are up. Our vet figures that’s all attributable to the food change and axing the Medrol. I suppose one could say our vet is only interested in getting our prescription food dollars, but my dog is 15 1/2 and otherwise in great shape. She plays with her much younger sister, and we all walk a mile a couple times a day. She isn’t lethargic or lacking in energy. So, “crappy ingredients” this food may have, but my dog hasn’t vomited once in three years since being on it and her pancreatitis got worse when I took her off it, so…there you go.

  • Spice Gongjoo

    some prescription diet food works well for my poodle tummy and skin, I tried so far royal Canin GI HE that has meat and rice formula canned food its not grain free food but no more loose bowel, vomit, skin irritation, and highly digestible and high energy, I tried so many other canned food and dry food brands but none of them works!!! not only works they have so many food recalled everyday, and they change so many food ingredients make my baby sick!! I don’t know I can trust any of dog food out there but a least peace of mind, less recalled food is prescription diet and home cooking food the best!! next time I am going to try royal canin venison and potato limited ingredient diet for sensitive skin and tummy formula either canned or dry or both! dry one has no by product but canned food has by product venison that I know??

  • Grammachi

    Caroline, do you have a lot number on this? Also can you send me any of your findings? I am beginning to have problems with this food (RC PV – venison canned) please let me know and I will give you my email. Thank you!

  • Kathi Mayberry

    Please suggest checking your puppy for Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency (EPI). This is something mine was just diagnosed w/after nearly a year of problems. Read the info here http://www.epi4dogs.com to see if it might fit. I had never heard of it before, but sure wish I had. Some of the symptoms may fit. I prefer other types of foods besides the Rx ones also.

  • dchassett

    Okay. So I just read your post. Clicked on the up arrow, physically stood up and applauded you and cheered! Fabulous post! Thanks for saying what so many of us felt and, I for one, could not put into words as well as you did.

  • gardenweasel

    Gee, you’re sad for me, eh? Thanks bub. Your concern is so touching I think I’m gonna cry.

    Gad, how does one get to be such an enormous condescending hole? Did you take lessons or can we just thank your parents? And you talk about my ego. as for your comment – “You said “I don’t know how we got from dog food to here”– it’s because you are unable to debate rationally.” I was trying to make nice, but I guess I should have known better with a mannerless jack#@% like you. You use it as an opportunity to hurl an insult. So, if you are arguing with a crazy person what does that say about you?

    I know more than a few people, including docotors, not connected with corporate interests. How does that make me naive or my opinion making process faulty? Oh, and still waiting for you to tell me how you know I am over-eager to accept advice from anti-corporate people. Is it some evidence-based skill you possess? I suppose instead I should be over-eager to accept advice from pro-corporate people as you are?

    Let’s see – I use experiments to evaluate claims and that shows a flaw in my thinking. I guess I should ignore what works and follow the advice of an American nutritionist. Right. Be sure and tell your scientist friends that experiments show a flaw in their thinking. Oh, and never seek a second opinion. Got it.

    I haven’t seen a “statistically significant” number of doctors in my life time. Tell me, just how many would that be, oh master of rational thinking? I didn’t keep a running total, but I’m sure it is more than 20 GPs and specialists, in two countries. If that is not a “statistically significant” amount I apologize for not being sickly enough to need more.

    I use Google to check the advice of “a trained medical professional” by seeking the advice of OTHER trained medical professionals, and you find this scary. I should blindly follow the advice of a “professional”? That would be scary. Tell me, if I said I went to the library and checked would you be so snide? Where is the modern library, oh master of all knowledge?
    Gee, would it be… online? And how does one find things…online? I assure you my excellent health is no accident and requires no luck. And, just what “bad life decisions” have I made? (other than wasting my time arguing with you, of course) I can’t wait to hear your evidence-based answer.

    You’re fully aware of the vitamin D thing – then why did I have to explain it to you? You say all doctors are aware of this. When they were saying stay out of the sun and use sunscreen how many of them said to take a vitamin D supplement? Mine didn’t. You also previously said in regards to this – “Most doctors have been recommending high quality protein and lots of vegetables for a very long time.” What in blazes does this have to do with vitamin D? Is this an example of your great nutritional knowledge? Tell me, what vegetable is a good source of vitamin D? And just what is “high quality protein”? Since you are annoyingly vague in all you say, I will help out here. There are no good vegetable sources of Vitamin D unless you call mushrooms vegetables. the only good protein sources are certain fish and milk, although with added vitamin D you don’t know what you are getting.

    Everything I say is anecdote, personal evidence and red herrings. (Gee, you left out “straw men”, a favorite of most trolls) Yes, you are big on “evidence-based”. Do you know what a clinical trial or lab study is? It is an “anecdote” of what took place behind closed doors under controlled and manipulated conditions, and we have the “professional’s” word that the results are valid. Do you know how many studies have been later retracted or discredited? How many approved drugs later removed from the market? I’m sure you do since you can read minds and obviously know everything, but here’s some reading material for you anyway — http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/308269/ http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21588069-scientific-research-has-changed-world-now-it-needs-change-itself-how-science-goes-wrong http://www.naturalnews.com/028194_Scott_Reuben_research_fraud.html

    It is obvious why you are here. It isn’t to contribute information or ideas, since you have done neither, just look at your last post. You are here to call people names and make derogatory remarks about their rationality and intelligence to make yourself feel better about your pathetic existence. You are the type that can’t raise themselves up so you try and drag everyone else down. Well, Drew buddy, I grow weary of your arrogant, narcissistic, condescending BS. (hey, I’ve learned to read minds too!) You are a true believer of American allopathic medicine. And why not. Just look at the ever improving health of the American public. Who could argue with that? Oh wait, that’s just anecdotal evidence, I’m sure you can come up with some evidence-based “science” that shows America is in tip-top shape. I can’t wait. Whatever you do, don’t let reality shake your faith in “professionals”. Anyway, you take your drugs, get your flu shots and drink your kool-aid like a good boy, I’ll just stay here with my anecdotes and personal evidence and eat my red herrings and be healthy.

  • Karlene Henrich

    My lab mix was put on this by my vet when he was 3 months old, because he couldn’t tolerate anything else. He is now a year old, and has done great. He’s 75 lbs, and has a lot of energy, and a beautiful coat. It’s now time to put him on an adult dog food, hope I can find one as good.

  • Crazy4cats

    Actually, Authority is rated as an above average food. Both with grain and without.

  • Nancy Trant

    Blue Buffalo Wilderness is a wonderful, completely balanced and high quality dog food. Check the ingredients and the comments from others. There was a “Diamond” food that was junk and many confuse it for Blue since the logos look so similar.

  • Nancy Trant

    Your puppy – and you – need a new veterinarian. Royal Canin was at one time a premium dog food manufacturer. Their “special diets” are now sold through vet clinics or by vet Rx. The veterinarian gets a good profit for handling or prescribing this stuff. It is all about money. Look at the ingredients and you will see all you need to know. Some of Royal Canin’s foods for both dogs and cats contains such lovely ingredients as pig intestines. Feed this stuff at your own risk – and that of your puppy.

  • Teri

    Authority is a low-quality dog food. Check it out on this site, it’s not recommended.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hi Susan –

    If you are hesitant about feeding this food to your pup and your vet is unwilling to explore other options with you I would highly recommend seeking a second opinion. Some vets are stuck in their ways and not very responsive to owner requests. I can tell you that your vet was incorrect when he told you there is no food you could make that would be nutritionally balanced. If formulating a custom home-prepared diet for her is what you’d like to do, I’d suggest seeking out a veterinarian experienced in nutrition. A knowledgeable vet will be able to formulate a balanced homemade diet tailored to your pup’s needs. Some vets will even do phone consultations if you are unable to find a suitable vet in your area. You could also make your veterinarian aware of a company called “Balance It.” If a veterinarian is unable or unwilling to formulate a recipe from scratch, this site will help to formulate therapeutic recipes – they sell supplements to be added to the meals. Here’s the website: https://secure.balanceit.com/. Here is a tool you can use to locate a holistic veterinarian in your area, you can choose “nutrition” under the list of modalities: http://www.ahvma.org/Widgets/FindVet.html. Good luck!

  • aimee

    Hi Susan,

    I don’t have any real answers or suggestions for you. I can say that my little guy in my avater went through GI issues when about 1 year old and it was frustrating. In addition to the normal bld work he had bile acids, cortisol, pancreatic testing, GI panel and an exam by an internist with ultrasound. The only test I didn’t do was an exploratory with biopsies. His internist recommended diet trials and the third one was the charm. Good Luck with girl

  • Susan

    New here. My vet just prescribed this food for my 9 month old puppy. I’m really hesitant since she is young and this is SO low fat. She hasn’t actually been diagnosed with anything, but I’m guessing they think she might have pancreatitis or acid reflux from what I have read (and they have me giving her Pepcid AC). I think she had a stomach flu (or ate something weird), and has some undiagnosed food allergy- but the vet says they “know of nothing else comparable to this diet”, and that there is no food I can make that will be nutritionally balanced (even though they had me feed her boiled chicken, rice, and potatoes for a while- but then she started getting low-energy again). I like my vet, but this just doesn’t seem right, and I can’t seem to get any real answers anywhere. Pet stores are afraid to even suggest things to me when I mention that she was prescribed this food by a vet. (FYI- one of the ONLY times she vomited was after eating a small amount of the Royal Canin.) My main complaint when I first took her to the vet was lethargy and she vomited twice on one day which she doesn’t do often- but I still don’t know if that was normal puppy stuff or not.) Sorry this is soooo long- I am at wit’s end and cannot figure out what to do. Any help would be SUPER appreciated!

  • InkedMarie

    Nice that you edited your post.

  • drew

    PS, more reading on the amazing but misunderstood Lyme doctor here, if anyone else reading is interested: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0312/096.html

  • drew

    ? The flaw I pointed out was in how you form opinions. You think that prefacing it with “IMHO” somehow refutes that?

    I don’t think you have a reasonable idea about what doctors are saying to their patients because I find it unlikely that you have personally heard the advice of a statistically meaningful number of doctors.

    Fully aware of the sunscreen/vitamin D connection and relation to cancer, thanks bub. Posted it on my own wall several years ago. “If you haven’t heard of it, sorry I can’t help you?” Where on earth does such an ego even manage to develop from? Virtually every health professional, animal or human, knows this.

    If you are using experiments on yourself as some kind of method of evaluating the claims of nutritionists, then we have found an even bigger flaw in your thinking than the previously elucidated one. You seem to have no concept of the standards for evidence-based medicine or statistical power.

    Of course I’m aware of the concept of regulatory capture. The revolving door between the USDA and the FDA has absolutely nothing to do with whether board-certified nutritionists give meaningful advice. Nor does your anecdote about the lyme disease.

    You said “I don’t know how we got from dog food to here”– it’s because you are unable to debate rationally. Nothing you provided in this entire argument represents a reasonable response to anything I said earlier. It’s just anecdote, personal evidence, and red herrings.

    Using Google to “check” on the advice of a trained medical professional is scary, and I’m sad for people like you. I’m glad you’ve been so lucky so far, and I hope your luck continues and that your poor reasoning and bad life decisions don’t catch up to you.

  • gardenweasel

    “Here’s flaw number one.”
    How does something that I preface with IMHO have a flaw? Rather arrogant of you, don’t you think? And, how do you know that I don’t have a reasonable idea of what doctors
    have been saying? Does your “all that matters is the science” include
    mind reading now? I guess that is how you know that I am over-eager to
    listen to anyoone that says they are anti-corporate. Sorry if I sound
    snarky there, but really? I have seen a fair share of doctors over the
    last 5 decades, and the nutritional knowledge of the lot of them would
    fit in a thimble with room left over for a buffalo. While some doctors have changed their dietary tune, they are almost too little too late. Look at the rate of obesity and medication among Americans. Did you know that 9 of the top 10 causes of death in the U.S. involve no pathogen? What does that suggest?
    As for the no vitamin D, sorry for being unclear. The recommendations to avoid the sun and use sunscreen will lead to D deficiency, which happens to be rampant in the U.S. If you are unaware of this I can’t help that. the official RDA of 400 IU is laughable. I take 5,000IU per day and my D level is barely adequate. I have learned a fair amount of my knowledge through personal experience and experimentation. I have followed a few dietary regimens and had blood and other tests before and after to determine the effects, and I have corrected many problems through dietary changes and supplementation. I don’t repeat “anti-corporate” advice, I only suggest that which I have learned through my own experience. Oh, and you can always use Google to check – I do.
    As for board certified- hahahahaha. That’s a knee-slapper. A doctor in N.Carolina that was having great success treating lyme
    disease lost his license because the medical authorities didn’t like his
    methods – or rather didn’t like beiing shown up. (just an example that came to mind) The official medical authorities in the U.S. are the worst of the lot because that is where the corporate interests are! Are you really unaware of the revolving door at the FDA and USDA?
    Anyway, you think what you want, it makes no nevermind to me. Anyone can just call me a liar if they wish. And you are right, this is just a comments section on the internet. If your doctors and methods have you in perfect health and on no medications at age 61 then God bless you and yours, you’d be a fool to change. I don’t know how we got from dog food to here, but I’m sure we are all here just looking for good health. I hope you have and keep yours. Personally, I’m looking for good dog food at a decent price so I don’t have to make it myself. I think the Merrick might do it. Cheers.

  • drew

    >IMHO, anyone remotely connected to Corporate interests is suspect as a source of knowledge.

    Here’s flaw number one. It’s fairly naive to think you can find a single person who isn’t in some way connected to corporate interests. This attitude makes you over-eager to accept advice from people who set themselves up as anti-corporate, which is just another marketing gimmick. It’s the science that matters, not the source.

    There are no doctors who have recommended a “no vitamin D diet.” Most doctors have been recommending high quality protein and lots of vegetables for a very long time.

    You don’t have a reasonable idea of what the average doctor has been saying over the past few decades. What you have is an opinion on media representation of what doctors say.

    Low fat and low salt are still reasonable recommendations, provided you don’t sacrifice other aspects of a quality diet to achieve them.

    No doctor can memorize everything. Many doctors have forgotten that Cox-2 inhibitors work by inhibiting the second step of the arachidonic acid cascade, but that doesn’t mean they’re not doing the right thing when they prescribe ibuprofen for muscle inflammation.

    What matters is doctors are trained to know where to go for information. A board-certified nutritionist knows FAR more than you do about nutrition, and doctors rely on board-certified nutritionists for their information. Their recommendations are much better than what one would get by relying on someone on a message board who claims to have extensively studied nutrition.

  • drew

    Lots of appeal to authority and ad hominem here. Glad you’re happy with your personal life.

    Got a response to the facts I presented? Let me know.

    I’m curious how your experience treating one dog with one condition has made you highly experienced in telling two conditions apart and indicating that they can be mistaken for each other. Care to explain that further?

  • Guest

    Lots of appeal to authority and ad hominem here. Glad you’re happy with your personal life. Got a response to the facts I presented? Let me know.

    I’m curious how your experience treating one dog with one condition has made you highly experienced in telling two conditions apart and indicating that they can be mistaken for each other. Care to explain that further?

  • datroofhomez

    Truly spoken like someone who has no practical experience with the disease. Everything I have suggested comes from personal practical experience with treating a canine with EPI. It works, so deal with it. This isn’t bench racing, but you don’t seem to get that. As for my intelligence, retiring young didn’t happen because my intelligence was average. Think about that when you are slaving away for someone at work today. Picture me smiling at that thought. When I wake up I will be smiling & thinking of you. ;-) Actually, I’m doing it right now.

  • gardenweasel

    Does one dentist know more than the entire veterinary community? If that community is anything like American medicine then yes, it is quite likely. Many people, myself included, know more about nutrition than the average MD because they have bothered to study it, which is more than doctors do in medical school. How long has the American medical establishment encouraged a high-carb, grain-based, low fat, low protein, no eggs, no salt, no Vitamin D, etc. diet, the worst diet you could possibly eat? Right, trust the experts. I see know reason why veterinary schools, with the massive influence of agribusiness and pharmaceutical companies, should be any more enlightened. There maybe a massive conspiracy, and it is a conspiracy of ignorance. Corporate and political corruption has rendered our universities untrustworthy, to put it mildly. IMHO, anyone remotely connected to Corporate interests is suspect as a source of knowledge.

  • drew

    Duly noted, thanks.

  • drew

    They’re probably used to trying to get ahold of the manufacturer of their raw/fad/evolutionary diet, and not getting to talk to anyone beyond the salesperson or a front-office worker.

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  • drew

    No, they don’t. No one “misdiagnoses” EPI and blames it on pancreatitis. Pancreatitis can cause EPI if it goes on long enough. Read my reply further down for more info.

    Pancreatitis= abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea (often dark colored or bloody stools, maybe watery), lethargy, decreased appetite.

    EPI= ravenous appetite, no abdominal pain, yellow/mucousy/fatty stools and diarrhea (no blood), no lethargy.

  • drew

    You must be misinformed or stupid. Diet change did not get your pet through liver failure. Either you misunderstood what your veterinarian said, or you took medications that helped and then blamed something else.

  • drew

    This is all stupid mis-advice.

    EPI means the intestines aren’t producing the chemicals needed to break food down. There is no reason it should ever by MIS-diagnosed as pancreatitis. HOWEVER, long-term pancreatitis can cause EPI, because inflammation of the pancreas can eventually destroy tissues. One great way to give your dog pancreatitis is to feed high-fat foods like coconut oil. Coconut oil would also cause sky-high cholesterol, and pancreatitis can cause elevated liver enzymes.

    Coconut oil is a stupid thing to try. It will make everything worse and has nothign to do with the problem.

    A novel protein has nothing to do with EPI. Novel proteins would only make sense if there is a dietary allergy.

    You are just repeating things you heard from your vet or from other people who heard things from THEIR vet, and all of the context is getting lost.

    The ONLY treatment needed and the only treatment that would be effective for EPI is to give the enzymes the pancreas is failing to produce. You would give them in a powder form, not a capsule or any other form, as the capsule or tablet would need to be digested by the enzymes that aren’t being produced.

    “Waiting until the stools are formed” is absurd advice, because the stools will only be formed when the body is able to digest food again.

    In addition, the goal with pancreatic disease is to use limited fat, limited (but high-quality) protein diets. So if you’re anti-carb, where do you suggest the pet get their calories from?

    I encourage you to visit literally any veterinary specialty center or veterinary university and find out what they’re feeding to dogs with pancreatitis or dogs with EPI. Then ask yourself: Do I really know more than every specialist in the field of veterinary internal medicine? Does this one dentist with a chip on his shoulder know more than the entire veterinary community? Is there really a massive conspiracy that is harming pets, which nearly every veterinarian nationwide is a part of?

    I don’t understand how people like you ever get it in your head to give advice to others. You are stupider than the average person; why do you think your advice would be of benefit?

  • datroofhomez

    RCGI has a list of ingridients on the no-no list for EPI, specifically the grains. Major cause of SIBO.

  • AnnR

    yes. My dog developed EPI (exocrin pancreatic insufficiency) at age 10. There is a blood test for it (TLI). Please see http://www.epi4dogs.com. That sight is run by dog lovers and has an excellent forum of caring folks. You can get enzymes from http://www.EnzymeDiane.com instead of tablets.

    I started giving my dog coconut oil, and I don’t know if that is to blame, but her cholesterol and liver enzymes were extremely high, so vet said to try Royal Canin GI Low Fat. It does not work too well for her. I will look for a higher quality food (based on ingredients list).

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  • snay

    DOES ANYONE KNOW IF “AUTHORITY CHICKEN AND RICE” DOG FOOD FROM PETSMART POTENTIALLY HAS ANY HEALTH ISSUES….OUR DOGS ARE ON BLUE BUFFALO NOW AND MY HUSBAND AFTER READING A LOT OF NEGATIVE REVIEWS WANTS TO CHANGE..WE WERE LOOKING AT AUTHORITY ….?????

  • Sunshine

    I lost my Paris 3 months after starting blue buffalo. I could not prove it was the food but I swear it played a role in it. Her spleen completely shut down and And Her Intestines Literally rotted. She was in the hospital for a week before she passed. It was a horrible experience…

  • Sunshine

    What was the food doing yo her? I have a maltese with eosinophilc IBD and we have been having a hard time finding anything she can eat. Just started on this a few weeks ago. What do I need to watch for? So far she is doing ok except for gas…

  • datroofhomez

    Many vets misdiagnose EPI & blame it on pancreatitis or IBS, because they don’t have a lot of experience with EPI. If they suspect one of those 2, & there is also weight loss, it’s quite possible that it’s EPI.

  • datroofhomez

    Salmonella poisoning?

  • DeeDee1213

    i am not a veterinarian , but our dog had those same symptoms and it turned out to be pancreatitis, and now he is on prescription food, because it happened more than 3 times..no flare ups since the low fat weight management food.

  • Caroline

    RE: ROYAL CANIN DOG FOOD PROBLEMS….
    IF YOUR DOG/CAT IS ON THIS FOOD, DRY OR WET/CAT/DOG….ANY OF THIS BRAND, GET THEM OFF OF IT ASAP; DON’T GIVE ANOTHER BITE. OUR POODLE REFUSED TO EAT A NEW PURCHASE AFTER 2 MEALS OF THE FRESH CAN AND SHE HAS LOVED IT FOR ALMOST 3 YRS. SHE HAD A SEIZURE, SERIOUS GASTRIC ISSUES, WEAKNESS, TRYING TO THROW UP. TOOK HER TO VET FOR TESTING AFTER WHICH I READ “CONSUMER AFFAIRS” INTERNET SITE ABOUT ROYAL CANIN DEATHS. IF I HAD NOT GONE ON LINE TRYING TO FIND ANY INFO THAT MIGHT BE NEW ABOUT ROYAL CANIN, WE WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED FORCE FEEDING THIS TO HER. SOON AFTER I READ INFO ON THAT SITE, WE GOT A CALL FROM OUR VET WITH TEST RESULTS. EVERYTHING POINTED TO FOOD. WE WERE UP WITH A SICK BABY FOUR NIGHTS BEFORE LEARNING THE ABOVE. CONFERRED WITH VET, GAVE DIFFERENT FOOD WITH ANTIBIOTICS AND PROBIOTICS AND SHE ATE IT. NOW HEALING. HOPING NO LONG-TERM PROBLEMS. WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT OTHERS HAVE LOST THEIR PETS. SHE GOT ILL VERY FAST.
    IF YOUR PET IS HAVING PROBLEMS….TAKE TO ER OR VET ASAP AND GET TESTED AND STARTED ON TREATMENT TO RECOVER.

  • Kyle Bairdsen

    my dog is having liver problems and I don’t know what to do… how did you solve your situation? thanks!

  • holly

    I can’t believe I am reading this, my dog almost die in November due to necrotizing pancreatitis. Prior to the surgery she was eating Blue buffalo. Now she is only eating Royal Canin GI low fat, and she is doing well.

  • Guest

    i can’t believe i am reading this, my dog almost die in november due to necrotizing pancreatitis. Prior to the surgery she was eating Blue buffalo.

  • Sunshine Page

    I lost my baby Paris after 3 month on Blue Buffalo. Cant prove It but I swear it killer he. She was fine then got really sick and died

  • Liesl Johnson

    Blue Buffalo Wilderness was all I feed my Malinois and it nearly killed him. The quality control on the vitamins added into the food is not what it should be for all their hype about all natural, quality food. At the age of 2 he developed pancreatitis and early stage kidney failure due to Vitamin D poisoning from the excessively high levels present in the food. He has also undergone treatment for stage 2 cancer resulting from prolonged exposure to the high levels of vitamin D. My dog is still only 4 yrs old and can no longer do the work he loves because of his health. Royal Canin veterinary low fat food is the only thing to relieve his pancreatic symptoms and allow him to function as a mostly normal dog.

  • Amy

    Hey, Matthew… my 12 year old beagle/lab mix was just diagnosed with PLE. How long has your pup had it? My pup’s cause is not known, but def not a food allergy or intolerance. Her vet prescribed this food. Her stools have thickened a bit on it. What meds is your dog on?
    Good luck to you!

  • sue66b

    Yes & Eukanuba ‘Intestinal’ is 10% fat 1.75% Fiber..also its a low residue kibble & it digests much easier..My boy was really well on this as he cannot have fiber due to Colitis & IBD & its so hard to find a low fiber kibble in Australia dog kibble, that gets imported to Australia..

  • justreno

    You must be a vet or working with one. If I had listened to my vet & not done my own research my scottie would have died 2 years ago with liver failure. Thanks to net info, & it was free!! She is alive, happy and well enough for 15 years old.

  • Shawna

    Food allergies and intolerances are a cause of protein losing enteropathy. If a food intolerance was the cause of your pups PLE than ANY food that eliminates the protein ingredient would have ended in the same results if the food (and not the drugs) is in fact helping the resolve the symptoms of the disease.

    In this research paper they discuss how the egg in moms diet caused PLE in a breast feeding baby — removing the egg from moms diet alleviated babies symptoms. http://www.jiaci.org/issues/vol18issue1/11.pdf

    WGA (in wheat) has been studied as a cause of PLE in Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers. Are other breeds exempt from this illness caused by a food intolerance OR is it just that the research hasn’t been done or isn’t widely available maybe?

  • Shawna

    I think you put a little too much emphasis on a vets advice and not nearly enough on the advice of others who potentially have been in the same predicament as you.

    My dog has had kidney disease since birth. I’ve done NOTHING my vet suggested (which was basically put her on KD). Most of my information has come from the Internet and others with kd dogs. My dog is now seven years old and still un-medicated and VERY healthy.

    I started having symptoms such as temporary blindness when I was 12 years old. In my 30′s I was MRI diagnosed with brain damage (white matter lesions). I’ve been to more doctors, neurologists and internal specialists than you can imagine (I’m not 47 years old). It wasn’t til my early 40′s til I met the RIGHT doctor (also a certified clinical nutritionist) that I got a proper diagnosis. Turns out a food intolerance has caused all my symptoms — dairy to be specific. Gluten can cause the same symptoms — it’s referred to as gluten ataxia. Had even one of those specialists and M.D.s I was taken to since age 12 had given a proper diagnosis I might have been spared brain damage… I’ve helped multiple people and pets with their food intolerances that weren’t getting proper diagnosis from their doctors. In fact, a (now) good friend in California had her colon removed but it didn’t help her symptoms. She’s on disability for life now (has to empty her waste from a bag) and turns out she was intolerant of gluten all along……

    My point — don’t put all your eggs in one basket and don’t underestimate the value of data supplied by individuals who’ve been in the same or similar circumstance that you are now facing.

  • Ari

    Why dont you ask your vet? Its going to depend on your dog’s nutritional needs, size, weight etc

  • Ari

    Thats not the same as a prescription dog food

  • Ari

    Anyone who’s taking advice on prescription dog food or medications from a blog and not from their own veterinarian has their own issues. You cant diagnose on the internet and what works with one dog doesnt necessarliy work with another. Same as one dogs symptoms dont mesh with others

  • Ari

    I also had tried other prescription foods including Science DIet before settling on this one that works. You do have to realize that sometimes vets push certain brands that they sell themselves because its a lot more profitable. Whether its a prescription food or medication, vets office always charge more (and so does 1800PetMeds – they are the most expensive of any of the online pet stores)

  • Ari

    Your best bet is probably to call Royal Canin directly instead of posting something on a blog. I never understand why people with product questions dont contact the manufacturer directly. Its the only way youre going to get the accurate information.

  • Ari

    This helped my dog a lot. Hes been on it for nearly a year and was diagnosed with a terminal illness and I was told by 2 different vets he had 2 months to live. He also had had diarreah for 6 months straight. Its 11 months later and he’s still alive. Yes, hes been on some medications too so I dont give it all the credit, but his loose stool stopped shortly after starting this food. Theone caveat is apparently he doesnt like the taste…I have to mix it in with other human foods such as tuna, chicken, eggs, yogurt etc to get him to eat it. But it does seem to have helped. Ive found Pet360 has the best price with free shipping and often 10% off coupon codes if you look for them.

  • Aileen S Hanson

    Hi Ari,
    My little Chinese Crested Power Puff (Spuds) is losing protein and the source of the problem has not been fully dx. The symptoms your dog has sounds similar to what we have going on here. I add a bit of water/juice from boiled hamburger and he gobbles the canned food up. RC HA diet. I hope your dog is comfortable.

  • Shawna

    She’s probably intolerant of an ingredient in the Blue Buffalo food that isn’t in the RX food. My Pom gets diarrhea/loose stool/mucous and sometimes blood if she gets a food with chicken. The diarrhea etc is not constant but continual on chicken. Once off chicken based foods all symptoms disappear. A friends dog gets a gurgly tummy if she eats a food with green beans. Others on the site have dogs with intolerances to peas, potato, certain grains etc.. it’s not really that uncommon..

  • Roberta Liford

    The review of the Royal Canin Gastrointestinal low fat RX dog food makes me wonder why this food works so well when a dog has intestinal distress like diarrhea, loose stools with mucous. It boggles the mind. I’ve been feeding my Smooth Collie Blue Buffalo Wilderness and lately she has bouts of distress — alleviated only when I start the Royal Canin diet. It’s happened so many times that I’m beginning to think the RC should become a regular part of her diet mixed with the 5 star BB. (Note: tests by vet lab shows no sign of parasites or worms or giardiia)

  • Shawna

    Technically not MS but some vets believe that degenerative myelopathy is the canine equivalent to MS. Different name, same or very similar disease. Well respected vet / nutritionist Dr. Susan Wynn writes “For the past decade or more, Dr. Clemmons has been working on a different theory – that DM is a form of multiple sclerosis. In fact, he is certain enough to say “In fact, based upon new data concerning the pathology of MS, we can now say with some degree of certainty that DM is MS in dogs. ” http://vetnutrition.blogspot.com/2009/01/degenerative-myelopathy-canine-ms-or.html

  • mss

    Do dogs get MS?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Actually, in a way Dr Mike did exactly that. He removed his star rating from prescription diets. The problem with prescription diets is that they are over recommended. Sometimes diets like this are used as an end all to allergy problems instead of being used as a first step to figuring out what the allergy is actually to. Or the kidney diets are used in early stages when education is what is needed instead.

  • Belle

    Are you serious, Eldee? A separate section on these special foods? Get over it pleeeeeezz.

  • IBD

    Does anyone know if RC just changed the formula for RC Gastro LF? I haven’t been able to find it anymore. The old version had “LF-20″ on it. There seems to be a new version that has different ingredients, Kcal, serving size, guaranteed analysis and does not have the “LF-20″ on it.

  • skrateuptroofhomez

    It doesn’t surprise me about the WCLF kibble. You have to look at the percentages on the bag. Yes, the fat is lower, but the fiber is much higher. Low fat & low fiber are better for pancreatic issues, being much easier to digest.

  • Lucy

    Try theraphen pancreatitis

  • DogWalker

    My English Setter developed pancreatitis, and has done fine on the RC Low Fat GI kibble. I initially had moved him from Wellness Core to Lowfat Wellness Core, but he had a recurrence, so we moved to Hills Lowfat I/D, apparently the favorite of vets everywhere. Nevertheless, everyone, including this blog, seems to think that food is relatively low quality, so, while he seemed ok on the lowfat I/D, I switched him to the RC because it generally seemed a better product. He’s been fine.

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi Eldee,

    You’re right and that’s why Dr. Mike specifically stated the following above in his review of the representative product, “Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Gastrointestinal Dog Food is not rated due to its intentional therapeutic design.”

  • Shawna

    There’s no mention of any hydrolyzed ingredients in the ingredient list? Hydrolyzing definitely does make foods/proteins easier to digest but it also releases the excitotoxic affect of “free” glutamic and aspartic acids. Eating a diet of hydrolyzed foods can lead to symptoms such as nerve damage (including multiple sclerosis), lupus, brain damage, heart disease and many other illnesses. Honestly, I’d rather deal with an allergy a different way than expose myself to something that could cause MS.

    For more information on the subject read Neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock’s book “Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills”.

  • Eldee

    Hey guys: As much as I truly value your opinions I feel you should not include veterinary theraputic diets in your listings with the other dog foods.
    They are two very different things. Above you talk negatively about the corn in this food, however, it has been hydrolyzed for easier digestion for dogs with allergies or intestinal difficulties. I notice you do not mention hydrolization in your reviews of vet prescription diets and this process is critical for a vet food to be effective.
    Perhaps you could consider having a completely seperate section on these special foods but I honestly don’t think it is fair to comment on their ingredients when no mention of how they are processed is mentioned. This is just my opinion and truly appreciate the work you put into this web site helping people with dog food choices.

  • Lynn

    The catch 22 with feeding low fat to a dog with epi or pancreatitis ( usually they are very thin when diagnosed ) is they require certain vitamins to properly digest their food. It turns out that a lot of necessary vitamins are stored in fat cells A, E, D and K which are all necessary for proper digestion and absorption of nutrients. Without fat in the diets, vitamins such as these are simply peed out as there is no storage facility for them. So, in my opinion, pancreatic enzymes should be mixed with the dog food, to break down the fat into a digestible form for the dog so the dog can gain some weight and hold onto the vitamins that are in the food, or that you are supplementing. Supplementation for EPI dogs of Vitamin B-12 is absolutely essential.

  • Lynn

    You are just like me. I also have my dog on RC gastro and I mix it with her Back to Basics because I am too afraid to take her off of it as she is doing so well on the combination.

  • Lynn

    My dog also has to have low fat for her EPI diagnosis. Merrick has a value brand called Whole Earth Farms and there is a senior formula you should check on. It has low fat. Also if you live in Canada our |Zehrs stores carry a Nutrition First Presidents choice canned food of salmon whitefish and sweet potatoes which is only 3% fat. They are both relatively inexpensive. Also, there is a dog food called Annamaet Lean and Fit which is low in fat however, it a kibble, but they do make canned as well.

  • Ari

    All I can say is that with this food, my dog’s stool became close to normal; without it , it was like a waterfall. He is also on many medications due to PLE Protein Losing Enteropathy but the food has helped his digestive system. The problem is he doesnt really seem to like the taste and won’t eat it unless I mix it up with chicken or fish or beef. Thats a bit of a problem but considering hes supposed to eat a high protein low fat diet, its also probably helping him survive past his expiration date…although the illness is finally catching up to him

  • skrateuptroofhomez

    Pancreatitis? It could also be EPI (Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency). Has she lost any weight? How are her stools? Animals with weak pancreas function sometimes need B12 supplementation, & gas can be a sign of SIBO (Small Intestine Bacterial Overgrowth).

  • Hound Dog Mom

    You do realize that the canned food isn’t actually 5% fat and 8% protein right? It’s 44% protein and 28% fat – canned food is mostly moisture so it’s necessary to convert the values to a dry matter basis. If your dog is recovering from pancreatitis 28% fat may be too much.

  • Rosie’s Mom

    What dog food did you decide to switch to or are you making your own? My dog was recently switched to RC can G.I. due to “suspected” pancreatis after a bile duct bypass surgery 4 mos ago. She had real bad gas on RC & I’m now giving her 1/2 RC and 1/2 Nature’s Domain can from Costco. (5% fat 8% protein). She seems to be doing well on this combo but I’m going to try adding the RC GI low fat kibble for variety.

  • Jodi’s mom

    My Jodi (female rottweiler) has done very, very well on the RC prescription low fat diet. She has had pancreatitis; her previous owners fed her people food and low-grade dog food. Since being on the RC prescription low fat diet, her energy level has picked up and everyone commnets on her shiny coat.

  • skrateuptroofhomez

    Have you researched EPI as the pancreas issue?

  • roxie the doxie

    We are just now slowly moving our doxie to the canned Royal Canin Low Fat. Our Roxanne has food allergies (we believe some grains) but has now had several bouts of pancreatitis. The vet wants her to go on Science Diet (she had some bad reactions to SD several years ago) and we are home cooking but that is difficult for us (age and disability). Though the Royal Canin canned (not shown on dogfoodadvisor.com is corn based we have to try it due to the low fat content. Most companies we wrote to do not have a low fat no grain. So we are in a real horrible situation. I wish the dogfoodadvisor.com would write up on the canned but this is as close as it can come i guess. We are hopeful and will keep our fingers crossed. We don’t care about the price (she was on the really expensive Addiction Dog food Venison and Apple) untill she got sick again and this Royal Canin cost about 1/3 less than Addiction. So anything less is welcome. We gotta pray that this food can be tolerated.

  • Terri

    This dog food , if I am not mistaken, once was made with salmon, then fish . . The last case I purchased yesterday says made with pork by products . . . And cost me 64.00 a case, which is why I am not the net researching alternatives. I think I might try making my dogs food.

  • EVA RAKUSAN

    MY ENGLISH COCKER, 6 YEARS OLD USED TO HAVE GASTRO INTESTNAL ROYAL CANIN DIET.  THEN WHEN HE HAD SOME EXCENA PROBLEM THE VED CHANGE IT TOA D/D CANINE  SKIN SUPPORT.   I STILL HAVE SOME LEFT FRO GASTRO INTESTNAL, MAY I USE IT OR DESTROY IT?

    THANK YOU   EVA

  • Hockl

    You might want to have her TLI number checked. She may have EPI.  Check out my story about Maya here.

    http://www.total-german-shepherd.com/EPIanddogs.html

  • Brenda

    Maggie was doing well on the med cal Gastro hi energy puppy but now the vet changed her to Med cal Gastro moderate which has a different formulation and she is back to not being able to keep food in.  She vomits when I feed her this food and had to go back to the puppy formulation.  I will need to find something else to feed her but not sure anymore of what. Maggie has a lot of issues with bouts of diahrea and vomitting. Help…tried Acana when she was younger but it didnt do her good. 

  • Jpitterson

    I agree that RCDLF is great for mini schnauzers with a prancreatitis diagnosis. My 5 yr old has been on this canned diet for almost a year and is in great shape. Lots of engery, coat is beautiful and no tummy upsets unless she eats something during our walks and I can’t get it out of her mouth fast enough.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Look into Wysong Synorgan (chicken) or Anergen (lamb).  Just a thought.

    Maybe even this limited ingredient one:
    http://www.doctorsfinest.com/Healthy_Duck_dog_food_p/dr.%20es-duck.htm

    Or Instinct LID or Natural Balance LID, California Natural.

  • Mandy

    My Golden Doodle has had tummy issues since he was a puppy. He would often throw up and his breath was HORRIBLE (smelled like something rotting). I tried him on various foods (grain free, chicken free, lamb, salmon, etc) but nothing cured his horrible breath and stomach issues. He also bloated at 2 years of age (not from overeating as he rarely ate a full meal and hadn’t exercised much that day). After the bloating experience the vet put him on Gastro-intestinal wet for a few days. Then we switched him over to a mix of both the G.I. High Energy wet and dry. His breath is amazing (unless he steals the cat’s food) and he very rarely throws up anymore. Although it doesn’t have a good rating, this food is amazing! The only issue is the cost. Now that my dog is finally eating proper amounts, we worked it out and it is costing us $150 a month. So, unfortunately I am on the hunt for a cheaper food with very similar ingredients. So far, no luck :(
    If you have a small dog and/or are rich, I would definitely recommend this food :)

  • Hellozoe

    Royal Canin Digestive Low Fat has now helped saved two of my miniature schnauzers.  One has severe pancreas issues and this is the only food (dog or otherwise prepared for dogs) that she can keep down.  The other, a rescue, has not been able to tolerate any quality dog food except this one, and without it he has inflammatory issues and blood in his poops.  I can not say enough about how this dog food has helped our pets and fear the consequences and vet expense if it were not available. I can supplement a little with Prescription G/D for my older ones but not too much or problems creep in. Obviously a fine balance. 

  • hock

    Rachel Ray has a dog food at Walmart.  Looks pretty good for the average joe that can’t afford the innovas and evos of the world.  Good news for dogs everywhere!!

  • melissa

     Leeskra-

    I have to  disagree as well. By using your weight range(under 15lbs) a good majority of my dogs fall within it-and the smallest is 4.5lbs-ALL eat Acana mixed with a lower fat food(simply due to the fat levels, not protein) however the mix stays at approx 30-32 percent protein and all are thriving. If anything, I would suspect the fat content, not the protein. Yorkies can be prone to pancreatitis as well as schnauzers.

  • Brenda

    How much plain yogurt should be given to a puppy or dog?  I have to travel 2-4 hours to get to a good place that sells dog food. The pet stores around here only sell Now and Go from petcurean, Nutrience, Chicken soup for the Dog Lovers.., Canidae however not for puppies.  It is confusing to find the right one.

  • Shawna

    I have to disagree…  I’m the parent of 6 small breed dogs and foster additional small breed dogs.  One of my own was even born with kidney disease.  ALL dogs including the 3 pound Chihuahua eat much more protein then what you recommend….(including the one with kidney disease — she is 9 pounds and has lived quite healthfully on the high protein raw diet for almost 6 years now—–she will be six the end of June).

    The dietary needs for small and toy breed dogs are no different then larger breed dogs.  I noticed you mentioned Dr. Becker.. :)  If you ask Dr. Becker or the raw feeding nutritionists (like Beth Taylor, Steve Brown, Lew Olson, Mary Straus etc) they will tell you small breeds need high protein too.  In fact, Dr. Becker as well as Steve Brown have stated that carbs are the nutrient not required by dogs.  Dr. Becker (and the others I’ve mentioned) recommend against the inclusion of grains in a dog or cats diet..  I agree with them :)

  • Leeskra

    Howdy there

    The reason Acana most likely gave her Diarrhea is cause its far too rich and high in protein for most small breeds – especially Yorkies (in my opinion – and I work at a holistic pet food store, as well as previous experience as a vet tech [limited], and as someone who has cooked for her own small breed dogs). By small breeds I mean dogs 15 lbs and under.I typically recommend below 30-32% protein for most normal activity small breeds – and I personally only recommend the newest Acana (that sadly incorporates oatmeal which I am all for grain-free in most cases; some dogs do require grain diets based on their needs) due to it having 25-28% protein if you still really wanna do Acana and/or a kibble. 

    Honestly – the best thing I do for my dogs (since I didn’t have the times or proper means to get all what I wanted for their diet… albeit the diet I made them kept them extremely healthy for two years) – a grain-free premix of fruits and veggies (like Sojos Europa, Dr. Beckers Veg-To-Bowl, Honest Kitchen Preference, Artisan Premix), with a more pure raw food like Bravo (burger patties are easier or the chubs if you can do the hassle since their usually cheaper).  

    Also make sure to give probiotics (ie yogurts like activia or kefir in a plain flavor) to help rebuild that good bacteria once she’s off antibiotics.
    I’ve gone through the same thing with my dogs (different reasons each; one of them eats everything, including tinsel – that was an interesting year). What I would recommend is ask your vet what exactly about that food is what helps her poop solidify – and find your own way to mimic it with a higher quality food/ingredients.I recommend all my customers to come to this site. :3

  • Brenda

    My Yorkie is 5 1/2 months old and has had trouble with her food since she arrived.  She arrived on Wholesome blend for Puppies and had alot of stomache issues, bowl issues. Then I switched her to Acana Puppies and she seemed not too bad then began cronic Diahrea and vomitting.  I had her to the vet and her small intestines were quite swollen and full of fluid and gas.  She was changed to Gastro High Energy Wet for puppies and seem to pick up. I fed this to her then transitioned her back to Acana puppy as I was advised. She began severe diarhea again going at least 8 times or more a day sometimes and projectile vomitting.  She lost almost 3 pounds.  She is now on Royal Canin Gastro dry for puppies and she has had her first solid stools since she came to me.  I was sceptical about the Royal Canin but now I say it saved my Maggie.  I am not sure if it is the formulation of whats in it but Maggie is back. Stools still funky color but she is on antiobiotic for infection in the intestines.  Expensive food but worth it if I have my Maggie back. I think every dog is unique and not every food no matter how high the rating is good for all dogs.

  • Shawna

    Actually, easier yet (if interested) you an go to Standard Process’ website and look for a healthcare provider near you (for you or “your pet”)  https://www.standardprocess.com/display/router.aspx?DocID=2117&

  • Shawna

    I know the last thing you need is another expense for her..  But, if you have a holistic vet in your area — ask her/him if she/he sells Standard Process products.  If yes, ask her/him how Standard Process Pancreatrophin can help your girl..  If you don’t think the cost outweighs the benefit — nothing lost but your time. 

    I’m positive that Standard Process’ product for kidney disease is a major part of the reason she is still with me and still healthy..

    My thoughts and prayers are with you and her — hoping for that recovery you dream about!!!!! 

  • Hockleyglen

    You know what?? I just did that.!!  I went to Global Pet Foods and saw a can called ENO ( I think it is in the car) Vet Diet for digestive intestinal problem dogs.  Thought I would give it a try with her Medi cal dry and enzymes.  Low fibre bland diet.  Some people dream of winning a lottery, I dream that someday I will find a food for her and not have to use enzymes anymore.  Or she heals herself.

  • Shawna

    I know what you mean!!  My kd girl Audrey is on Standard Process Canine Renal Support, Hepatic Support, Catalyn and Cataplex B.  Also on Garden of Life Raw C.  She gets enzymes with every meal (although not as pricey as pancreatic enzymes). Garden of Life probiotics and prebiotics as needed.  I’ve never sat down and figured the cost but a guess would be about $60.00 a month (for the last 5 years and 3 months).  Like your girl now, Audrey is healthy so I’ll just keep on keepin on.. 

    If you change and she has a back slide you may never forgive yourself (or me)..  Maybe rather then doing a full blown change — you could top her prescription food with an appropriate canned food..?  Just a thought?

  • Hockleyglen

    It is perhaps not the cost of the food alone but the enzymes, the vitamin B12 shots, and the testing of the blood that is so expensive for most people.  I too have toyed with the idea of putting her down, however, now that she is doing well I can’t.  But if she relapses and starts losing weight all over again and I can’t help her anymore than I will have to.  I remember before she got sick I must have tried every single food out there and nothing helped but this was before the enzymes.  Now I am thinking I might try either Taste of the Wild salmon or Natural balance both grain free both kibble and canned with the enzymes. There are so so many brands out there that my head spins and because she has been doing well on the medi cal I am so afraid to take her off it. I think canned dog food with her condition is best but it is really expensive for the good stuff. I soak her kibble over night in water then add the enzymes.  thanks for your help and links I read them over. 

  • Shawna

    Hockleyglen ~~ I’m SOOO glad you were able to get a diagnosis and a food that made her better before anything tragic happened!!!  And I (nor anyone else hopefully) would judge you for any decision you make that is in the best interest of your baby!!  I just simply wanted to mention to you and anyone that read this discussion that FOR SOME DOGS there may be options..  Some dogs need the prescription for life — others don’t..  That was the jist of my point..  I don’t know if its true but I have heard stories of people putting their pups down because they could no longer afford prescription food.??  That would be a shame!!!

    You do what works for you and her.  Just keep in mind that there may be options down the line once she is stable — say if some day she decides that she doesn’t like the food any longer :).. 

  • Hockleyglen

    Thanks Shawna for your links.  I just wanted you to know that this food has really saved the life of my dog Maya.  She has gained 10 pounds back in three weeks and her diarhhea has left the building. Still not perfect, however, 200 per cent better. I wish I could the colour of it right and not the yellowy brown it is.  Maybe never, don’t know but she has gained the weight. I have no other choice but to attribute it to the food.  But yes, you are right.  I would imagine any grain free low fiber dog food if treated with her enzymes would be fine.  I guess I am too afraid to try.  Again, thanks for your links and help.

  • Shawna

    Yes, yes Hockleyglen ~~ I muddied the water :)…  I am aware of the difference between kd and EPI..  I was just pointing out that prescription diets are not always the best option for a diseased pet.

    The fat is in the yolks of the eggs but the whites (if lightly cooked) could be quite healthful.. Coconut oil, being a medium chain triglyceride, would be an EXCELLENT fat for EPI dogs as it does not require the enzyme amylase to be absorbed and utilized.  Plus is extremely healthful.. 

    The food that would be the easiest to break down would be foods that are hydrolyzed as the break down is already complete.  A hydrolyzed meat protein would be FAR better then corn gluten meal.

    I’m not sure how corn gluten meal “help the binding process in digestion”?  Corn “gluten” meal is the left over protein after corn has been made into high fructose corn syrup.  It is a low quality protein source with high digestibility but low bioavailibility.  I’m not sure what it would “bind”?

    “Nutritionist” Mary Straus has an EPI page on her website..  Many EPI dogs can eat commercial foods as well as home cooked or raw.  http://www.dogaware.com/articles/wdjepi.html#feeding

    Even Doctors Foster and Smith say prescription diets may not be necessary (in a round about way ;)..  “If the dog does not respond well to the addition of the digestive enzymes in Viokase or Pancrezyme, the diet may sometimes need to be altered.”  http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2103&aid=331

    I’m not saying that all owners should strive to do better then prescription foods…  However I am saying that there are other options if one wants.

  • Hockleyglen

    Please google EPI in dogs ( german shepherd and EPI)

  • Hockleyglen

    Hi Shawna:  EPI effects the pancreas and has nothing to do with the kidneys.  Her pancreas does not secrete enough enzymes to digest her food thus the chronic diarrhea and extreme weight loss.  So the food has to be specially formulated to be able to break down quickly with the most absorbtion into her bloodstream as well I have to add additional enzymes to each meal to help break down the food for easier aborbtion.  All I was saying was  I think unless you are a nutritionist and understand how various food sources break down in our systems you really cannot comment on why something is in a prescription diet.  Turns out corn gluten meal is not a bad thing to help the binding process in digestion and it is highly digestible.  Eggs are too high and the wrong kind of fat for this disease.  turns out certain kinds of fats are better than others for breaking down and digestibility.
    Eggs are the worst thing you can give your dog with this pancreas disease.
    So, I don’t think we should comment with our little knowledge of nutrional science and disease on the ingredients of a veteranary prescription diet.  I will leave the research up to them and I will heed their advice.  Perhaps there is a better food out their for her, I just don’t know the ratios of each ingredient to keep her stabile. 

  • Sharon Ours

    Hi
    My German Sheperd had this problem to appear out of no where and then it would seen to get better.  But her stool had a terrible odor.  After 4 tests for worms they found 1 whip worm egg.  Since then she has been fine.  I feed her what I sell and she does great on it.  I have had others with weight problems be able to get weigh on their pets with this food.  If you would like to give it a try I would be glad to send you a sample just send me your address to [email protected]

  • Shawna

    Hockleyglen ~~ I completely agree that prescription foods can benefit the disease they are intended for in some cases..  However, they do so with the lowest quality ingredients they possibly can…  “Corn gluten meal” — Yes, this protein can be digested but it is not used as efficiently by the body (bioavailibilty) as another source of protein (like egg).

    The rice in the food has “enzyme inhibitors” in it..  They impede trypsin (a protein digesting enzyme) as an example..  They also have lectins which can cause gastrointestinal distress over time in some dogs.  I could go on — and on..

    My dog was born with kidney disease..  I know the disease very well.  Well enough that my dog has, to date, lived 4 years longer then expected.  And she is still healthy, happy and eating a good diet..  I would not have put her on Science Diet K/D or any of the others for any reason.. 

    Not everyone can comfortably stray from a prescription food.  BUT that doesn’t mean that there aren’t other foods out there that aren’t better for them in the long run..

  • Hockleyglen

    Please read my comments above.  they might help.

  • Hockleyglen

    EPI Dogs need a different kind of fiber than normal dogs.

  • Hockleyglen

    Hi Mike please read my comments they may help.  thanks Lynn

  • Hockleyglen

    The reason the changes in the food is because every day it seems more knowledge of the disease EPI comes on stream and since this food is recommended for epi dogs they want to get it right.  First it was no fat then it was low fat and now it is norman fat and low fiber.  that is why the changes.  if your dogs coat is dull then add a teaspoon of coconut oil a day it is only a three chain fat as opposed to a four chain fat and is more easily digested than most.  Also non soluable fibre is recommended to be low not all fiber and all of this has come out in the past year or so.

  • Hockleyglen

    Nope

  • Hockleyglen

    Hi Mike: 
    please read my comment above on this food.  thanks Hock

  • Hockleyglen

    If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.  Sounds like your dog has some pancreas issues ie cannot digest food easily.  my dog is on this food and is normal for the first time in her life. 

  • Hockleyglen

    Before you condemn or condone a veterarian prescription food you should perhaps read about the diseases that it is prescribed for first.  My dog has EPI ( exocrine pancreatic insufficiency ) and this food is designed to help with her poor digestion.  If you knew as much about this condition as I do you would realize the reason each ingredient is in the food for a reason.  Dogs with this condition need food that is easily digestible low in fat and insoluable fibre and not so high in protein.  My dog was at deaths door she kept losing weight and had chronic yellowish diarhhea and was always ravenous. I had her blood tested and it turns out she had very little pancreas function and will require enzyme treatments on her food everyday. Since switching her to the Gastro Intestinal High Energy kibble and canned and treating with enzymes she has gained her weight back in three weeks and normal poops once again. All I can say is I think this food is terrific and my dog still being alive today is proof.  Anyway, just thought I would give this food two thumbs up.

  • Hockleyglen

    Please have your dogs blood tested for the TLI number.  My German Shepherd had the same issues but lost a lot of weight.  Turns out she has EPI.  Please google canine EPI and read the websites.  I think a light bulb will turn on in your head. 

  • Hockleyglen

    Please google canine EPI and read about this condition. you need to have blood tested for a TLI number. Sounds like what my dog has.

  • Vegex

    Anyone have experience with calcium oxalate crystals in urine? Vet also surmised that my 2 yr old Cav King Charles Sp has a food allergy( scratching) but this diagnosis arrived upon with no testing. Dog currently eats and loves Stella and Chewy’s freeze-dried – usually beef or surf/turf ( beef and salmon)varieties daily and once per week we make him a scrambled egg for ‘Sunday brunch’. I switched over to lamb thinking it was less likely to cause an allergic reaction?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi V Ravi… I’m so glad your dog is doing well. Unfortunately, since I’m not a veterinarian and due to the biological uniqueness of each pet, it would be inappropriate for me to provide specific health advice or product recommendations.

    Without any further information and considering the successful treatment of your dog’s condition, I’d be inclined to follow your vet’s advice. Wish I could be more help.

  • V. Ravi

    My pet, Jack, 3 year old, had chronic diarrhea for about 25 days. His X-Ray, Scan, blood and stool tests show no sign of any diseases. He has reduced 15 Kg. weight. Earlier, he used to take Curd Rice, vegetables and Royal Canin Maxi Junior 32 for the last 3 years. After this chronic diarrhea, my vet has suggested for Royal Canin Gastrointestinal dry. Within two days, his stool has become regular. He likes this food even. I want to know for how long this food has to be continued? My vet says that at least I have to continue RC GI for 2 months and while giving this food, no other food should be supplemented. But I give him curd also. Can I switch over to RC Maxi Junior again after 2 months? Thanx and Regards.

  • Tiffany Compton

    My dog, a now 8 year old Belgian Malinois police K9, has had loose, yellow, stool for years… We have tried Nutro, Pro Plan, Taste of the Wild, and he is now on Diamond Sport…. After a recent spell of extreme diarrhea the vet put him on Royal Canin canned gastrointestinal and for the first time in the 4 years I have owned him his stool was regular, solid, and a healthy color… However… I can’t find a store to purchase this food at a reasonable price, and being a large dog he would go through the 30lbs bag almost within two weeks… Can you suggest a food that could possibly offer my dog the same calming effects for his stomach while still meeting his high energy and protein needs? He has always been very hard to keep weight on even with a completely clear bill of health. Thanks.

  • UGA_Dawg

    @Judy- My dog has is in a similar situation. She is a 2 year old Australian Shepherd that can’t stomach others foods. I have tried multiple brands, and currently she is on Wellness Super 5. After many visits to the vet for anal gland and diarrhea issues, the Low Fat LF20 is the only one that allows her to produce hard, firm stools. Every other brand has been very soft and yellow. I just ordered the 28.5 lb today from the office, ugh. My vet indicated that it appears she will have to be put on a lifetime diet because she has a very sensitive stomach. Not much in a price difference, but some of these posts are concerning when it comes to the quality of this food.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Judy… In humans, increasing dietary fiber must always be accompanied by increased water intake, too. That’s because fiber works by absorbing water to create a gelatinous mass as it moves through the digestive tract.

    And it seems to me the absorption of additional moisture into the colon would probably induce thirst to restore water balance (osmolarity) in the blood and tissues, too.

    So, your vet’s explanation of your dog’s increased water uptake seems to make sense.

    However, since I’m not a veterinarian and due to the biological uniqueness of each pet, it would be inappropriate for me to comment on your dog’s pancreatitis.

    You may wish to check back for a possible response from one of our other readers. Wish I could be more help.

  • Judy

    My Cavalier has been eating the Fiber Response product for over a year now. (He’s nine years old.) He kept having “soft serve” poop, and I tried so many different foods to remedy the problem. Since my vet could find no digestive irregularities, we figured that Riley just had a sensitive stomach or something. I never heard of a Spaniel with a sensitive stomach! He’ll eat anything! Anyway, this product has made a big difference for him. His stools have been normal ever since he’s been eating the fiber response.

    My concern has been that he is drinking an inordinate amount of water — up to six cups a day. The vet said that was common for a high fiber diet. So, no worries… Today, he’s been given a temporary diagnosis of pancreatitis, although the vet initially said she thought he was dehydrated because his gums were so pale. Has anyone noticed their dog drinking excessive amounts of water on this diet? I’d appreciate any information about your experiences since the vet is still trying to make the right diagnosis and I am sitting at home worried to death! Thanks.

  • Shawna

    “Optimal feeding of large breed puppies
    Jennifer Larsen DVM, MS
    Resident, Small Animal Clinical Nutrition
    Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital
    School of Veterinary Medicine, University of California, Davis

    The same group went on to investigate the individual dietary components and demonstrated that dietary protein level had no effect on the development of osteochondrosis (Nap, et. al, 1991). For some reason, dietary protein level continues to be incriminated by some owners, breeders, and veterinarians, despite the lack of supportive evidence.

    In contrast to protein, excessive calories and inappropriate amounts of calcium have both been shown to negatively influence optimal skeletal development in puppies.” http://www.lgd.org/library/Optimal%20feeding%20of%20large%20breed%20puppies.pdf

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Dobe Fan — The protein content of a dog food can be controversial. It all depends upon who you ask.

    For large breed puppies, it’s overfeeding along with inappropriate calcium and phosphorus content that can be the critical issue, not protein.

    The word “average” as I use it here has nothing to do with what might be average for a specific breed. As I mentioned in my report, the protein in this recipe is below-average “as compared to a typical dry dog food.”

    Since the average dry dog food in our extensive database reveals a mean protein content of about 28% (dry matter basis), I feel comfortable in describing the 27% protein content of this Royal Canin prescription product as about average.

    Hope this helps.

  • Dobe Fan

    Hi,
    I think this is a great website and it looks like you’ve done quite a bit of research. I was curious what you mean by below average protein at 26%. For large breed dogs such as Dobermans and Great Danes, a higher protein diet can cause knuckling over and panosteitis. Our breeder recommended not going higher than 25% protein for our puppy.

  • http://www.solvethemarketingmystery.com Tracy Needham

    Hi all, just thought I’d post the new ingredient list for the dry formula of Gastro LF on their website until Mike has a chance to review it. I’m sure it takes forever to do all these dog foods! Unfortunately, it certainly doesn’t look like it improved any: Rice, chicken meal, wheat, barley, natural ‰ flavors, dried beet pulp, brewers dried yeast, chicken fat, salt, calcium carbonate, sodium silico aluminate, psyllium seed husk, Œ fish oil, potassium chloride, fructooligosaccharides, monocalcium phosphate, hydrolyzed yeast, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.), vitamins
    [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), biotin, D-calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6),
    vitamin A acetate, niacin supplement, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), riboflavin supplement (vitamin B2), folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], trace minerals [zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, copper sulfate, copper proteinate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite], rosemary
    extract, preserved with natural mixed tocopherols and citric acid.

  • http://aol.com Shirley Meierer

    I have a 4yr old mini italian greyhound who has a sensitive stomach and has been throwing up. She has been eating royal canin #30 and the mini toy as well. has the ingredients changed recently. What else can I feed her she is eating hamburg and rice for a week now. Doing good with that. Need help for my little one. tks

  • sandy

    Here are some possibilities for you. Wellness Super 5 Healthy Weight (6-10 fat), Blue Buffalo Life Protection Healthy Weight Chicken & Brown Rice (6), Blue Buffalo Wilderness Healthy Weight (10), Nutrisource Weight Management (9-12), Dogswell Shape Up Chicken & Oats (8-9), Natural Balance Reduced Calorie (8), Nature’s Select Chicken Meal and Rice with Glucosamine (8), Nature’s Select Chicken & Beef with Salmon & Sunflower Oil (8), Nutro Natural Choice Lite (8), Solid Gold Holistique blendz (8), Solid Gold MMillennia Beef & Barley (12), Amicus senior & weight Management (10.5-12), Wellness Core Reduced Fat (10-12), Wellness Small Breed Healthy Weight (9-11).

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi jekern1015… Unfortunately, due to the biological uniqueness of each pet and the fact this is a prescription product , I cannot provide customized product comparisons for each reader. For more help, please check out my reviews and visit our FAQ page. Look for the topic, “Help Me Choose a Dog Food”. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers. Wish I could be more help.

  • jekern1015

    My dog was just prescribed this royal canin gastro intestinal low fat food due to a panceas problem. After reading your review and paying $60 for a 28 pound bag, is there a better brand out there.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Judi… I’ve previously reviewed Triumph Dog Food. You’ll find in our Search by Brand list. Hope this helps.

  • Judi

    This was Triumph dog food was recommended to me, just curious to any knowledge out there on this Triupmh dog food. Thank you

  • Judi

    Mike what have you found out about Triumph Dog food, seems to be a very good dog food. I have three dogs. Triumph seems to be a great dog food.. ? What do you or your readers know about this ?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Karen… This news story is dated July 14, 2010. I’m aware of these changes and additions and have already updated the ones that have been published. However, there are a number of RC recipes that have not yet been reviewed here. It could be a while, but I hope to eventually get to all of them. Thanks for the tip.

  • Karen Gordon

    http://www.royalcanin.us/aboutrc/InTheNews.aspx?newsid=429,101,92,1,Documents

    Just noticed this news release on their website. It wasn’t there last time I checked a month ago.

  • Karen Gordon

    The comment I just listed above is about the Royal Canin Digestive Low Fat LF (canned) dog food (the old formula) and the Royal Canin Gastro Intestinal Low Fat (canned) dog food.

  • Karen Gordon

    Royal Canin has indeed changed many of their formulas in their canned dog foods. I was feeding my min-pin Royal Canin Digestive Low Fat LF for some time and it kept his weight off and the (actually too low) fat content was supposed to be good for his pancreatitis. He ended up so deficient in fat, his shiny coat became dull and his arthritis became worse. I had to begin feeding him Omega 3 oil to get him back to normal. Royal Canin changed the formula without notice and said it was to get the fat content of 1.5% even lower. What they actually did was remove any signs of meat at all, and listen to the new Gastrointestinal Low Fat LF ingredient list: pork by products, corn grits, rice flour, powdered cellulose, dried beet pulp, guar gum and a vitamin/mineral mix. Most of these ingredients are the WORST commercial dog food ingredients on the market and the company peddles this poison “Prescription” dog food! On top of that, vets actually recommend it because it’s easy for them to prescribe or they get a kickback. My dog needs a low fat dog food for his pancreatitis, but after feeding this to him, his bowel movemements became pale, small and irregular, and he did not look forward to eating anymore. (Can you blame him?) This garbage should be banned from being sold in this country and I have no idea why you would give it as many stars as you have. Tell anyone whose dog needs a low fat, or low fiber, or low protein content food to do some research and find a quality dog food which is high or low in fat, fiber or protein (depending on their own dog’s particular condition) and contains real meat and ingredients which will not harm him THIS dog food is poison for all dogs, never mind a dog who has health problems to begin with.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Al… Many of the Royal Canin Veterinary products are already on my To Do list. Plus there have been some recent changes to the product line. However, due to our current backlog of products for review, it could be a while longer before we get to them. Thanks for taking the time to send me this suggestion.

  • Al

    Amazing website! Thank you for all your hard work and the reviews and comments are so helpful!
    I have one question: My dog Jake was given Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Gastrointestinal HE CANNED food from the vet, and I haven’t found a review on here.
    The canned and dry food seem to have different ingredients. Can you please review the canned food?
    Thank you!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Allan… After reading your previous comment, I checked the label information posted at the RC Veterinary (US) website. And the ingredients list matches exactly with the data we’ve posted here in this review. So, as far as we can tell from the information publicly available, we cannot find any notable changes. All I can do is suggest you continue to check with the company (via email, snail mail or phone). Please let us know if you find the answer to your question. Wish I could be more help.

  • Allan R. Pentecost

    Has anyone had the chance to research the above posting?
    Thank you, Allan & Maxwell

  • Allan R. Pentecost

    I was just at my Vet and got Maxwell some of the Royal Canin Gastrointestonal HE dry, seems that Royal Canin is sole owner of the company now. They are producing their products in a commune in Southern France ONLY. Royal Canin S.A.S. Their brand of wet Gastro HE, which I have been feeding Maxwell as per my Vets instructions, looks like a completely different dog food now, the ingredients are not at all the same or listed in the same order. I am surprised my Vet did not catch that. Just updating you guys as this just recently took place and I do not think it fair to feed my dog someting I have not been told about. I will call my Vet first thing Mon. morning. They (Royal Canin) used to be located in Mo, Mexico, Puerto Rico and Canada. They do not answer their phones either. Maybe you will have a chance to review their new ingredients and compare as to better or worse in their vdry and wet foods. Maxwell is out of food and to my displeasure, I will hope for the best and feed him this new wet food Sat. night and Sunday am/pm. I still like the Acana dog food, looks like one of the best, IF my dog would be able to tolerate it, i may make the change.
    Thank you,
    Allan R. Pentecost & Maxwell

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Allan… Fiber has two personalities. It can help firm up sift stools and yet soften hard ones. Please see our FAQ page and look for the topic, “Dog Food Fiber” or my article, “The Amazing Benefits of Dog Food Fiber“. As to your question about wet food, please see my other FAQ topic, “How to Feed a Dog”.

  • Jonathan

    Allan, take a look at Mike’s article about the “myth of cleaner teeth” with kibble. And really, if you can afford it, Canned foods are inherently better than a dried kibble, because they are that much less processed.

  • Allan R. Pentecost

    Thank you Mike, I totally understand. But I do have a question maybe you can answer for me. Maxwell should definetly be on more than just wet food forever right? I should make a choice and mix it with his wet. It would probably be better for his teeth and maybe he needs something to make his stools a little firmer…is that what fiber is for? Or what ingrdient helps firm up the stools?
    Thank you for your fast response,
    Allan and maxwell

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Allan… After reading Maxwell’s story, I really wish I could help. But because of his medical history and since I’m not a veterinarian, it would be inappropriate for me to provide specific health advice or product recommendations. You may wish to check back here for a possible response from one of our other readers.

  • Allan R. Pentecost

    Love your website Mike. I have been trying to find a dog food for my 12+ year old jack Russel named Maxwell. I like the ratings of the Acana. My question is, he has been on Nutro lamb and rice all his life. He has had some recent problems including a bad liver ultra sound, not sure what it is, but he has been off the nutro and on white rice and boiled chicken or beef for awhile and now hes been on Royal canine vet. diet gastro HE wet for about 3 weeks as per his vet, vow he wants to add the vet diet gastro HE dry to his diet. I do not like the corn…He as had double hip surgery years ago and pooping is sometimes difficult for him, so I wanted smaller more compact stools for him. I do not know how much protien, fiber , carbohydrates…etc are right for him. How do I find a good balance. He has not been feeling well and his alkaline phosphate level is well over 1200. I was hoping that if I could find the perfect food (diet) I would give him the very best chance of a longer, happier survival. Any help, your opinion, would be greatly appreciated by Maxwell and myself. I do not want to give him to much of anything for his age making digestion or defecating harder on him. How does the Royal canin I am using compare to the Acana for Maxwells over all health…I will pay what ever so price is not the issue…Maybe you even have a better idea (choice) for be to think about.
    Allan R. Pentecost