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		<title>By: Mike Sagman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SmartReader87,

Much of what you&#039;ve said in your comments here can be reduced to your remark, &quot;comparing human studies and animal nutrition is dumb&quot;.

How could anyone possibly believe such a thing? This is &lt;b&gt;scientifically and historically untrue&lt;/b&gt;.

Admittedly, of course, not all nutritional factors can be applied universally to all species. For example, dogs don&#039;t need vitamin C in their diets - but humans do. 

Humans and cats can develop Type 2 diabetes - yet dogs cannot.

Much of what we know today about animal and human nutrition has been learned from scientific studies using select species as comparative animal models for one another.

In a &lt;a href=&quot;http://jn.nutrition.org/content/138/2/391.full&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recent article&lt;/a&gt; entitled &quot;Animal Models in Nutrition Research&quot; by Dr. Dave H. Baker, Professor of Animal Sciences and Nutritional Sciences at the University of Illinoi and published in the Journal of Nutrition wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Current knowledge in nutrition is based largely on the use of appropriate animal models together with defined diets. Numerous examples are cited where animal models have been used to solve nutrient x nutrient interactions, to evaluate bioavailability of nutrients and nutrient precursors, and to test for nutrient tolerances and toxicities.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This article candidly discusses both the advantages and disadvantages of using animal models. After you read it, you may wish to also browse the dozens of footnoted references attached to the bottom of that publication.

In writing my reports, I only present components like vitamin K as the controversial ingredients they truly are. 

I always present &lt;a title=&quot;The Troubling Controversy Over Menadione in Dog Food&quot; href=&quot;http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/menadione-in-dog-food/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;menadione&lt;/a&gt; as &quot;a controversial form of vitamin K&quot;. Clicking on that link takes the reader (you) immediately to an article that clearly presents &lt;b&gt;both sides&lt;/b&gt; of that controversy.

As you can see, your dismissal of the facts here using your sweeping claim that comparing research findings between species is &quot;dumb&quot; is certainly not supported by science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SmartReader87,</p>
<p>Much of what you&#8217;ve said in your comments here can be reduced to your remark, &#8220;comparing human studies and animal nutrition is dumb&#8221;.</p>
<p>How could anyone possibly believe such a thing? This is <b>scientifically and historically untrue</b>.</p>
<p>Admittedly, of course, not all nutritional factors can be applied universally to all species. For example, dogs don&#8217;t need vitamin C in their diets &#8211; but humans do. </p>
<p>Humans and cats can develop Type 2 diabetes &#8211; yet dogs cannot.</p>
<p>Much of what we know today about animal and human nutrition has been learned from scientific studies using select species as comparative animal models for one another.</p>
<p>In a <a href="http://jn.nutrition.org/content/138/2/391.full" rel="nofollow">recent article</a> entitled &#8220;Animal Models in Nutrition Research&#8221; by Dr. Dave H. Baker, Professor of Animal Sciences and Nutritional Sciences at the University of Illinoi and published in the Journal of Nutrition wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Current knowledge in nutrition is based largely on the use of appropriate animal models together with defined diets. Numerous examples are cited where animal models have been used to solve nutrient x nutrient interactions, to evaluate bioavailability of nutrients and nutrient precursors, and to test for nutrient tolerances and toxicities.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This article candidly discusses both the advantages and disadvantages of using animal models. After you read it, you may wish to also browse the dozens of footnoted references attached to the bottom of that publication.</p>
<p>In writing my reports, I only present components like vitamin K as the controversial ingredients they truly are. </p>
<p>I always present <a title="The Troubling Controversy Over Menadione in Dog Food" href="http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/menadione-in-dog-food/" rel="nofollow">menadione</a> as &#8220;a controversial form of vitamin K&#8221;. Clicking on that link takes the reader (you) immediately to an article that clearly presents <b>both sides</b> of that controversy.</p>
<p>As you can see, your dismissal of the facts here using your sweeping claim that comparing research findings between species is &#8220;dumb&#8221; is certainly not supported by science.</p>
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		<title>By: monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SmartReader - thats why K3 is controversial, theres a group of people that say in small amounts it is harmless and doesn&#039;t make a difference, a group of people that think it is hard on the dogs organs, and then theres a group that just doesn&#039;t want to take a chance with it. Dog food manufacturers are starting to remove it because of the questions raised around it.

Nobody is saying you have to feed ridiculously expensive food, but at least try to feed a food that has a good amount of meat in it with clean ingredients and not by-products. Theres a lot of 4 star foods on here that are just fine and aren&#039;t &quot;ridiculously expensive&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SmartReader &#8211; thats why K3 is controversial, theres a group of people that say in small amounts it is harmless and doesn&#8217;t make a difference, a group of people that think it is hard on the dogs organs, and then theres a group that just doesn&#8217;t want to take a chance with it. Dog food manufacturers are starting to remove it because of the questions raised around it.</p>
<p>Nobody is saying you have to feed ridiculously expensive food, but at least try to feed a food that has a good amount of meat in it with clean ingredients and not by-products. Theres a lot of 4 star foods on here that are just fine and aren&#8217;t &#8220;ridiculously expensive&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: SmartReader87</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmartReader87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 08:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually that is completely inaccurate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually that is completely inaccurate</p>
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		<title>By: SmartReader87</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmartReader87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 08:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my point was that a site that says a certain type of ingredient will be bad for your pet because it MAY be harmful to humans is obviously not really researching ingredients and their effects on dogs.  you can&#039;t substitute results like that! I&#039;m pretty sure people would get sick even if they ate the best dog food on this site, and dogs can die from stuff that is good for people! comparing human studies and animal nutrition is dumb.  I have a feeling that the cat poop and grass and whatever random things all dogs eat outside is worse than anything in most dog foods, and I certainly won&#039;t be buying rediculously expensive food because this site says to now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my point was that a site that says a certain type of ingredient will be bad for your pet because it MAY be harmful to humans is obviously not really researching ingredients and their effects on dogs.  you can&#8217;t substitute results like that! I&#8217;m pretty sure people would get sick even if they ate the best dog food on this site, and dogs can die from stuff that is good for people! comparing human studies and animal nutrition is dumb.  I have a feeling that the cat poop and grass and whatever random things all dogs eat outside is worse than anything in most dog foods, and I certainly won&#8217;t be buying rediculously expensive food because this site says to now.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbcarlyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbcarlyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>should puppies have other food as well as these dry biscuits...it does not look much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>should puppies have other food as well as these dry biscuits&#8230;it does not look much.</p>
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