Purina One Beyond (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★☆☆

Purina One Beyond Dog Food receives the Advisor’s mid-tier rating of 3 stars.

The Purina One Beyond product line includes two dry dog foods, each meeting AAFCO nutrient profiles for adult maintenance.

  • Purina One Beyond Chicken and Whole Oat Meal Recipe
  • Purina One Beyond Lamb and Whole Barley Recipe

Purina One Beyond Chicken and Whole Oat Meal Recipe dog food was selected to represent both products in the line for this review.

Purina One Beyond Chicken and Whole Oat Meal

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 30% | Fat = 19% | Carbs = 43%

Ingredients: Chicken, chicken meal (natural source of glucosamine), whole oat meal, whole barley, soybean meal, whole brown rice, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of vitamin E), dried beet pulp, dried egg product, natural flavor, fish oil, caramel color, salt, dried carrots, dried tomatoes, dried apples, calcium phosphate, potassium chloride, choline chloride, zinc sulfate, vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, calcium carbonate, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), sodium selenite

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.5%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis26%17%NA
Dry Matter Basis30%19%43%
Calorie Weighted Basis25%39%36%

The first ingredient in this dog food lists chicken. Although it is a quality item, raw chicken contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient is chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The third ingredient is oatmeal, a whole-grain product made from coarsely ground oats. Oatmeal is naturally rich in B-vitamins, dietary fiber and can be (depending upon its level of purity) gluten-free.

The fourth ingredient is barley. Barley is a starchy carbohydrate supplying fiber and other healthy nutrients. Unlike grains with a higher glycemic index, barley can help support more stable blood sugar levels.

The fifth ingredient is soybean meal. Soybean meal is relatively useful by-product — what remains of soybeans after all the oil has been removed.

Although soybean meal contains 48% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The sixth item is brown rice, a complex carbohydrate that (once cooked) can be fairly easy to digest. However, aside from its natural energy content, rice is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The seventh ingredient includes animal fat. Animal fat is a generic by-product of rendering, the same high-temperature process used to make meat meals.

Since there’s no mention of a specific animal, this item could come from almost anywhere: roadkill, spoiled supermarket meat, dead, diseased or dying cattle — even euthanized livestock.

For this reason, we do not consider generic animal fat a quality ingredient.

The eighth ingredient is beet pulp. Beet pulp is a controversial ingredient, a high fiber by-product of sugar beet processing.

Some denounce beet pulp as an inexpensive filler while others cite its outstanding intestinal health and blood sugar benefits.

We only call your attention here to the controversy and believe the inclusion of beet pulp in reasonable amounts in most dog foods is entirely acceptable.

The ninth ingredient is dried egg product, a dehydrated form of shell-free eggs. Quality can vary significantly. Lower grade egg product can even come from commercial hatcheries — from eggs that have failed to hatch.

In any case, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

After the natural flavor, we find fish oil. Fish oil is naturally rich in the prized EPA and DHA type of omega-3 fatty acids. These two high quality fats boast the highest bio-availability to dogs and humans.

Depending on its level of freshness and purity, fish oil should be considered a commendable addition.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With four notable exceptions

First, garlic oil may be a controversial item. We say “may be” here because we are not certain of the oil’s chemical relationship to raw garlic itself.

Although most experts favor the ingredient for its numerous health benefits, garlic (in rare cases) has been linked to Heinz body anemia in dogs.1

However, the limited professional literature we surveyed provided no definitive warnings regarding the use of garlic — especially when used in small amounts (as it likely is here).

Next, we find no mention of probiotics, friendly bacteria applied to the surface of the kibble after processing to help with digestion.

Thirdly, the minerals listed here do not appear to be chelated. And that can make them more difficult to absorb. Non-chelated minerals are usually associated with lower quality dog foods.

And lastly, this Purina One Beyond product contains menadione, a controversial form of vitamin K linked to liver toxicity, allergies and the abnormal break-down of red blood cells.

Since vitamin K isn’t required by AAFCO in either of its dog food nutrient profiles, we question the use of this substance in any canine formulation.

Purina One Beyond Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Purina One Beyond appears to be an above-average dry dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 30%, a fat level of 19% and estimated carbohydrates of about 43%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 30% and a mean fat level of 19%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 43% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 65%.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

In addition, when you consider the plant-based protein-boosting effect of the soybean meal, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

We’re impressed with the below-average carb content of this Purina recipe.

However, it’s unfortunate the company chose to include menadione in its recipes. Without this controversial supplement and minus the generic animal fat, we would have been compelled to award this brand a higher rating.

Bottom line?

Purina One Beyond dog food is a grain-based dry kibble using a moderate amount of chicken or lamb as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 3 stars.

Recommended.

Those looking for a comparable wet food to go with this kibble may wish to visit our review of Purina One canned dog food.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

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Notes and Updates

01/28/2011 Original review
10/28/2012 Last Update

  1. Yamato et al, Heinz Body hemolytic anemia with eccentrocytosis from ingestion of Chinese chive (Allium tuberosum) and garlic (Allium sativum) in a dog, Journal of the American Animal Hospital Association 41:68-73 (2005)
  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Not to mention Purina makes Be Happy! How can one trust a company that makes something like that!

  • sidescrollin

    1.60/lb compared to Taste of the Wild 2.00/lb why bother with this stuff? Yeah it is a lot better than the other stuff they sell, but they are still guilty of selling it.
    I just checked this food out because I saw a commercial on tv saying it only has 9 ingredients…WRONG.
    Purina says on their website they are better than Blue buffalo because they own their own plant and have existed longer than blue buffalo.
    Pass

  • http://www.facebook.com/annie.russell.33 Annie Russell

    Sounds like a food my 1 yr old boston needs lol it’s hard to keep weight on him he’ll actually get to where his ribs and spine show and there’s nothing wrong wth him. But i’m not risking his health with purina foods. Never had any luck at all with purina foods when all 3 were puppies as it made them poop constantly a gnaw and scratch

  • Nmonge

    My Australian Shepard-Husky gained 20 pounds on the chicken rice formula. I only fed I cup 2 times a day. He is a Rescue and was pretty scrawny though. I am mixing now the Blue Fish and Sweet Potato to get his weight down . Also reduced intake to 3/4 cup 2 times a day.

  • JellyCat

    If the food is low quality then it should be judged for what it is. Sure this food is designed to supply necessary nutrients for a dog, but if you would actually use good ingredients to supply these nutrients (and perhaps exclude some potentially harmful ingredients) your dog would get a lot more out of it.

    There is a difference between thriving and surviving. This food is definitely made for surviving (maintaining life as is specified by AAFCO).

  • Ldunk35

    Yes taste of the wild is a great food,howevermy beagle spent close to two years on it and had nothing but digestive issues i switched to purina one beyond chicken formula and hes been digestive problem free. Sometimes the better food is just too rich for thier ayatems.

  • Thelcop

    Purina still SUX

  • Higherelement67

    purinas food is getyting dogs sick?

  • Antonio

    fostermom looks like your dogs got a bad run of feed, I don’t think even the bottom of the barrel table scraps would cause those type problems so quickly unless they were tainted. Also might want to rule out genetics being a factor as well.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Complaining on consumer reports may make you feel better but the only complaint that matters would be the one you make to the FDA.

  • fostermom

    Update: One of the puppies was still have renal problems, at 4 months old, in his new home, after 2 courses of antibiotics. Praying he will recover now that the source has most likely been found. It’s too much of a coincidence to have 4 or 5 pets on the food having the same issues, and 2 of them were healthy puppies before I began the Purina food. There needs to be a recall. Check the 512 complaints on Consumer Reports, soon to be 513 after I add mine.

  • Fostermom

    I had my 2 adult dogs on this, mixed with lean ground turkey and safe veggies I made myself. Both stopped playing, had frequent UTI’s which progressed to renal involvement. I cut out the One and Beyond, and they are recovering… I fostered 3 puppies and had them on Pro Plan puppy. 2 of the 3 had infections, which progressed to Kidney involvement despite antibiotic therapy. I am in touch with their now adoptive families and asked them to stop the food immediately. Please don’t feed your dogs Purina until they discover what is making the dogs sick on Beneful and the other Purina products. I was already paying as much as I was able to switch to a 4 or 5 stat pet food, and kicking myself for almost killing all of these pets using this food!

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  • BostieMom

    I agree… My Boston passed out into seizure from this food…in the past she ate Fromm or Solid gold…. No problems… I will never give her Purina again..truly scary!

  • Tazesemkay

    I tried the Chicken and Whole Oat Meal after running out of my dog’s original better brand Vitality thinking it would be a good switch for them. After the first day I noticed that their stool is much looser and they go more often. I figured it would take a few days to get used to the new food but it remained the same. I quickly went back to purchase their original food and their stool is firmer and my dogs go less often.

  • Mike P

    Hi 703…What are we talking dollar wise from a so so food to a great food? Maybe 10 to 20 bucks more per bag.That would come out to about a dollar more per week.I would rather pay a little extra for great food and try to cut back on something else like eating out 2 less times per month.I am on a budget but I will not budget my dog out of good nutrition.

  • Bob K

     Ally – What do you pay for a large bag of Purina One Beyond?  Why are you concerned about Purina?  Are there any Menards, Farm & Fleet, Tractor Supply, Costco, Petco, Petsmart near you?  Perhaps its time to do a little comparison shopping? 

  • Hound Dog Mom

    If you can get Victor in your area it’s only about $30 for a 40 lb. bag and rated 4 stars. Eagle Pack, rated 4 stars, is about $35 for a 30 lb. bag. Healthwise, a bit more expensive but still budget friendly for a 4 star food, is about $40 for a 30 lb. bag. Walmart has a new brand called Pure Balance (3.5 stars) that’s $30 for a 30 lb. bag. Nutro Max (3.5 stars) is $33 for a 30 lb. bag. Simply Natural is a grain-free food available at Lowe’s for $36 for a 26 lb. bag.

  • Melissaandcrew

     Ally703-

    I have no idea how much Purina One is, but I am guessing-3.5 star and up foods-

    Propac-$29.99 for 30lbs($2coupon in each bag)
    Hi Tek & Hi Tek grain free(under $40 in my area)
    Nutrisource-$41-42 for the regular variety, 30lb bag
    Grandma Mae’s-under 40 for the 30lb bag
    Dave’s and Dave’s grain free-same as Grandma mae’s

    You really need to look around in your area as prices vary quite a bit. Most of the Diamond made foods are lower priced, but I am not willing to feed Diamond-I personally would feed Purina first : )

  • LabsRawesome

     Hi Ally703, My top picks for budget-friendly foods are- Merrick’s Whole Earth Farms 4 star, available at Petco. It’s around $23 for a 18lb bag. 4Health, 4 star is at Tractor Supply around the same price. For canned foods my favs are Kirkland cuts in gravy 5 star. Costco exclusive. $18.99 for a 24 pack. And 4health canned 4 star, .99 cents a can. Tractor Supply.   :)

  • Ally703

    Please Bob name me some 4 or 5 star foods that are close to the cost of One Beyond.. I was using Avoderm and Beyond Grain, but they are twice the price of One Beyond and I’m worried about feeding them the Purina. 

  • Johneterrell

     Costco sells it as Nature’s Domain. It is about a $1 a month. My dog stopped eating it though so I switched her due to my concern over all the Diamond recalls this year. Diamond is the parent company of TOTW and ND

  • Johneterrell

     the Costco equivalent is Nature’s Domain. They do not sell the cat version so I have to pay more for Taste of the Wild cat food. The last bag I bought of each, both my dog and cats stopped eating it soon after I purchased the new bag. I switched them to Purina One Beyond which they love but of course I have my concerns over giving them a non-holistic food. My concern though over ANY Diamond product is the amount of recalls that they have had this year.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/H4NIO4ILS4FIO6I5HQ6RBQ2KZM tribalobsession

    I adopted a very sick, malnourished Saint Bernard from a shelter. After $1200 in vet bills to help her stop having diarrhea and to get to a weight that was healthy (imagine a 42 lb guesstimated 1 yr-old Saint? Horrible.
    I found Nature’s Logic Lamb Canine formula to save her…She gained 90 lbs and is strong and healthy as can be. Now, I have another Saint (got as a puppy 3 1/2 months-old) and she is now 13 months-old. Giving them Nature’s Logic but my order didn’t come in…I had to run to the food in evening and purchased a 5 lb. bag of Purina One Beyond Lamb. So far, they ate it like there was no tomorrow and are passed out snoring shaking the house down. We’ll see tomorrow (if there’s no issues overnight) when it’s bowel movement time. Their Nature’s Logic will be in in about 36 hrs. It would be good to know if there’s a safe “emergency alternative” for them. We shall see. I must brag about Nature’s Logic..it truly solved my close to death Saint Bernard rescue and they just don’t get sick (knock on wood), their coats are gorgeous, no stomach problems since day 1 in 2010. It’s worth the $ to me…Figuring they have short life expectancies b/c they are giant breeds. I’ve used Taste of the Wild on 2 other occasions where there food didn’t arrive and they both got blood shot eyes and were very itchy. I’ll never know why because we stopped it and gave them some home cooked meals to hold them over…yes, I was in the kitchen 24 hrs…lol!
    Good luck with all your dogs and cheers to good health and long lives!

  • Pjordan

    Our dog is a Bichone-Frise. Changed from brand at Pet Smart. Our dog just loves this food. So happy we found it in WalMart.

  • TK

    My 4 German Shepherds have been on Purina Pro Plan or Purina One (Chicken & Rice) all their lives & we’ve never had a issue with it. I am disappointed in some of the ingredients not being the kind of quality a top company like Purina should have.  Since my dogs are already (3) 8 & (1) 12 yrs old, I will just continue mixing the P1 Beyond with the ProPlan.

  • Sandi_ruscetta

    Check out the list many of Diamond products are recalled

    Tractor Supply, Kirkland, WEllness, chicken soup,
    Taste of the Wild,Natural Balance, Solid gold, manufactured in Suth Carolina Plant are recalled.

  • Titanicdog2

     Taste of The Wild was recalled this week.  Check out your bags to see if they are on the recall list.

  • Kelly Graham

    All 5 of our Dachshunds love either one

  • Bjgrisco

    This has been a miracle store bought food for us. It is the only store bought food that our dogs have been able to eat without really bad side effects, so far. Our dogs have severe allergies to Corn, Wheat, and some additives. They also have very high metabolisms and require a lot more fat and protein than most other dogs. Unlike other dogs they have always had a hard time keeping weight on and they are seniors now. They are healthy otherwise so we have had them on home made food  because we have not found a food that fits their needs until Purina One Beyond.

  • Kat175

    Hi LabsRAwesome – THANKS! I am in the slow process of switching to the large breed formula of 4health. It is cheaper than Purina One Beyond (a 3*) and only marginally more expensive than plain old Purina One (a 2* which is actually what I was feeding). And actually since I no longer have to supplement with Gluc/Chond. because it is in the kibble at the same level, it is cheaper! They seem to tolerate it well and haven’t noticed any changes in bowel habits yet at all.

  • Gail

    We feed Purina One Beyond Chicken formula.  The dogs love it and they are very healthy.  Folks need to feed what works best with their dogs and there’s no one size fits all.

  • Ddew2

     Some of the Diamond foods were recalled!  Maybe your baby can tell something is wrong with it.

  • Ddew2

     I use Taste of the Wild too, but it is a Diamond product.

  • melissa

     doxibug-

    For variety and to up the benefits of the diet, you can add some sardines($1 per can) or some chicken gizzards etc that can all be bought at Walmart for very little.

  • melissa

    kathimia-

    I recently moved one of my dogs to “premade raw”/freeze dried-She is getting Grandma Lucy’s Pureformance, Instinct frozen and a bit of the Nature Variety Instinct dry-I am more comfortable with buying something complete and balanced then not.

  • Shawna

    Sure..  I choose to go with premade raw foods because I foster and have special needs dogs of my own.  I need to make sure that I feed all nutrients in a balanced manner..  I also strongly believe in rotation..

    I feed Bravo Balanced in chicken and turkey (I have one dog that is allergic to beef bone so can’t feed the beef variety).  I also get the Bravo venison, buffalo and salmon which are meat only.  I mix those with premixes.  I use Steve Brown’s premix as well as Honest Kitchen Preference (in a two to one ratio of meat to HK) and have tried Sojos and Grandma Lucy’s premixes as well.  I also buy orgainc turkey and beef from Trader Joes and get deer meat (including the heart) from a hunter friend and use the premixes.  I will also use Primal’s venison and rabbit formulas (they are not subjected to high pressure pasteurization (poultry products are) and have a better ratio of protien to fat then the beef and lamb (too high in fat).  Once in a while I will throw in the Bravo unbalanced lamb and pork and give a high end glandular multivitamin with them…  An ocassionally unbalanced meal won’t throw off the balance of the entire diet. 

    Dr. Karen Becker and Beth Taylor wrote a recipe book for home prepared diets if interested.  The diet uses beef, chicken, turkey, eggs and sardines as the base proteins and is guaranteed to be complete and balanced if the recipes (including supplements) are followed.  The book is called “Dr Becker’s Real Food for Healthy Dogs and Cats”.  Good book… 

    It doesn’t have to be complicated but you do want to ensure a proper balance (whether creating your own recipes/feeding plan, following a book or going with a premade) and you do want to feed a rotation of at least 3 different protein sources. 

    If you would be more interested in a balance over time, raw meaty bones kind of diet let me know and I can point you in the direction of some resources on that style of feeding :)

  • Kathimia

     Can you tell me exactly what your raw feed your dog? I am thinking about switching over to this way.
    Thanks, Kathimia

  • Insatiable_dezire

     Taste of the wild, is a 5 star rating food, and I personally find it cheaper than this brand of food! At least in my local area!

  • doxibug

    I am in the same situation.  My dog is healthy and loves Purina One (weight control formula) and this is the best dog food for the money.  I simply cannot afford to pay $15 (or more) for kibble when I can barely put food on the table for my human kids.  The ingredients are better than those in regular Purina, Pedigree, etc. so I say stick with it.  My vet agrees — the dog is doing fine with this food.

  • Dee

    I would like to say, I bought this dog food and it has caused problems for one  of my younger dogs.  So I will stop buying it.  
    My local HEB sells it for around $20 :(

  • LabsRawesome

     Hi Kat175, Tractor supply has 4health a 4* food. They also have Diamond Naturals a 4*.                      If you have a Costco they have Kirkland and it is a 4* too. Their are some budget friendly ways to add extra protein/nutrition to your dogs meals also, scrambled eggs, canned sardines in water, are two inexpensive ways.

  • Kat175

    Hi Guys – I have a 14 year old lab-shepherd mix and a 12 year old lab-beagle mix. I feed Purina One because my dogs like it, but would like to move to a 4 or 5 star rated food.  My only issue is cost and accessibility.  We live in a small town so besides a one small feed store, a Walmart and tractor supply we don’t have a lot.  I have 3 human children under 8 and I am on a tight budget. I am fortunate thought that neither of my furry children have any major issues (my older dog can’t see well and can get sore hips, but she generally gets around perfectly fine – especially when one of my kids accidentally drops something from the table!).

  • Rebekah Ficks-Smith

    I have been using diamond maintenance and premium.  I have 2 old english sheep dogs.  The female is 7 years old.  Something has made her sick.  I think Diamond has changed their formula, because something is definetly going one.  She is not wanting to eat her food.  So I think I am going to have to change foods.  It is enough to make you crazy.

    God bless you always.  WE live in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.

    Rebekah Ficks-Smith

  • cathy

    My point exactly! Add to that the pieces are ONLY in the middles of the bag(s), makes me wonder what else Diamond is doing with/to the food

  • melissa

    cathy-

    sounds like they accidently put a different food into the bag-but not sure which one-most of their foods I am familiar with are a shade of brown and hard only..

  • cathy

    After the last 2 bags of Diamond I bought I wouldnt feed it unless my only other choice was Old Roy. The bags had “filler” hidden in the middle of the bags. Looked like Kibbles & Bits, lots of colors and squishy bits- definitely not what was supposted to be in the bag!

  • Bob K

    Shawna – I suspect Target, Walmart, Sams Club, K-Mart, your local grocery store and big name pet shops sell far more 1 star dog foods than 2-5 star rated foods combined.  Lots of people feed their dogs marginal diets in colorful bags sold by some big name companies.   Junk food is prevalent in both human and pet diets – nothing new. 

  • johnandchristo

    Hi Shawna…….

    Your right, with caramel coloring, k3, and generic animal fat (yuck). Then they wrap it up in this fancy label, saying how good it is for the environment 
    positively good for your dog . In my eye’s they dont care about dogs at all. They only care about money.
    My rant for the day.

  • LabsRawesome

     Hi Bob K, I agree. Purina One Beyond is expensive for the lower grade ingredients that it contains. People would be better off to buy Diamond Naturals, 4health, or Kirkland, all are 4* foods with no serious red flag ingredients. Purina has like 6 red flag ingredients, definitely not worth the money!

  • Shawna

    Bob K ~~ Mike S rates on the amount of protein in the food as well as some consideration for ingredients.  A 3 star rating doesn’t necessarily make it a decent food.  Not saying its better or worse then any other 3 star food.  But I’m with John, wouldn’t feed this to my foster dogs let alone my own.

    Caramel coloring is a carcinogen and serves no real purpose, animal fat can be contaninated with pento as well as who knows what other nasties, soybean meal is a poor quality protein source potentially high in excitotoxins, etc etc..

    If this is better then what most people feed their dogs, then I feel sorry for most peoples’ dogs. :(

  • Bob K

    Johnandchristo -  Purina makes many dog food brands and formulas with a range of ratings provided on this website.   Purina One Beyond is rated 3 stars on this website and is far better than what most people feed their dog. The issue I have is that for the same money you can be feeding your dog many 4 star rated foods and a few 5 star rated foods.

  • Johnandchristo

    Hi Sue……

    I have to respectfully disagree, Purina is not food ,
    it is poison. It made my dog very sick. There are many dog foods, that are better. I would never feed purina again, nor ever recommend it . 

  • Sue

    Almost all dog foods have articles on Consumer Affairs …

  • Jana
  • Anne

    Thanks for the info Bob but I guess I was just trying to agree with some of the comments about Purina products even though this new one sounded better (in the ad!)…also I do not have a Menards nearby here in Kansas and I do have a Costco membership. 

    I can go twice as far to a small grain and food store to get TOTW which is a great food for the price, but it would cost me about $25 more a month to feed it to 3 large dogs and I am retired. It is very unfortunate that the big pet stores only sell the real expensive 4 and 5 star foods and all the rest seem to be 1 to 3 star foods with the big company names that advertise all the time and people recognize them……

    I think I will stick with Nature’s Domain as long as they do well on it.  btw, My lab used to have a lot of gas until I went to a grain free food…..

  • Bob K

    Anne – Purina One Beyond is a new food for Purina, but you are paying a premium for a 3 star food.  For the same money you can get many 4 and a few 5 star foods.    You might want to check out Taste of the Wild if you want seafood.  Diamond Natural is sold at many Menards and is rated 4 stars but no seafood formula.  Canidae has grain free seafood formulas too that are on the less expensive side.  Remember to transition slowly to a new food.

  • Anne

    I was thinking about trying purina “one beyond” food just for a change because I got a $5 coupon and it is supposed to be wheat, corn and by-products free. I checked this site first and saw all the “controversial ingredients” and reading some of the comments, I am staying with Nature’s Domain Salmon and Sweet potato, unfortunately I believe it is still only sold at Costco and that requires a membership fee.

    Nature’s Domain is a 4 star, grain free dry dog food that sells for $33 for 35 lbs, the chicken one is about $4 less but my dogs love the salmon best and some dogs are allergic to chicken.  All 3 of my dogs love it and they do excellent on it.  I have an 11 year old flat coat retriever mix, a 9 yr old husky shepard mix and a 3 yr old lab. 

    I can only say after more than 50 yrs of having dogs and buying dog food this is the best one I have found for the money. 

    P.S.  I too would never give my dogs Science Diet…….

  • Shawna

    Hi Wanda ~~  First — I LOVE Pits!!  Grew up with a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.  BEST dog ever!!!!!

    Second — I have a dog that was born with kidney disease.  I would NEVER feed this food to her – EVER..  I also, like you, wouldn’t feed Science Diet (unless I was dealing with acute KD and not chronic).

    You are 100% right, phosphorus is what needs to be most watched.  However “low quality” protein will, it is beleived by many, cause more work from the kidneys as well as causing the blood to have more nitrogenous waste (BUN).  “Soybean meal” as well as the higher amounts of protein in oat meal are both VERY poor quality proteins.  IMO these are poisoning your Pits blood (which is what causes death from kd – the blood gets too toxic).  There’s more though.

    The FDA has proven that the ingredient “animal fat” can be contaminated with the euthanasia drug pentobarbitol.  Purina products were found (in a study done in 2001 by the FDA) to have pento in them although it was in the ingredient beef tallow.  Bottom line though, animal fat comes from rendering plants that could be renering euthanized animals.

    I’m a raw feeder and feed a VERY high protein raw diet to my kd girl Audrey..  WAY higher then the 30 % in this food.  She has been on this diet since weaned 5 and 1/2 years ago and is doing EXCELLENT.  Never requires veterinary intervention, on no drugs, never needed sub q fluids etc.

    Sorry for butting in!!  Just had to give my two scents worth…

  • Wanda

    I have been feeding Purina One Beyond, the lamb and barely, to my 3 year old pit. He suffers from kidney issues. Had to have a two major surgeries last year. I switched him after the surgery. He was on pedigree, I was not aware of all the ingredients, I will admit, I wasn’t even thinking about it, was crazy. After the surgeries, the test, talked with the Vet, she wanted him to be put on Science Diet. I could not do that to him, I found this website, with help from my sister, the Science Diet is only 8% protein, I would have to add to the dog food just to get him to eat it, tell me how that is healthier! I stumble upon this purina one beyond, He loves to dog food. He is a 65lb dog. He stay full, He eats a 15lb bag in a month, it doesn’t sound like a lot. but he stays full. The food is out for when hes hungry, it is high in protein, but low in phosurous. which is what he needs. I should also mention, i changed his treats as well, to all natural. This way, on this food, his stool is normal, he hasn’t had any bladder issues, his coat is soft, he is healthy. Everyone on hear can say what they want, but in my opinion, i can’t see feeding my baby anything else. I know it is not perfect. But the only way he will get perfect, is if I cook the food myself, and think about it , even if i buy all natural food, cook, feed him. Is it really healthier? No matter what the label says, go check out the FDA site, think of how they label the human food. They can label it “cage free” “organic” “all natural”, but unless you personally raise, slaughter, package, freeze, and cook your own food, you never really know what it contains!

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  • John

    Frank….. please take it from me any purina food is poison. DONT BUY IT. 

  • Frank

    I’ve noticed the last couple of months that you can’t get the Parina 1 in just the hard food, everything comes with the mix of the soft chews in it now. what happens those soft chews now get stuck in his teeth and that creats tartar build up, why can’t Parina go back or still sell that brand, I cannot find it anymore.

    Frank

  • BEWILDERED TO SAY THE LEAST!

    Toxed2loss, Thank you also for your kind words. Its nice to know that there are so many kindred spirits out there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Bewildered, sorry to hear about Dugan. :-( And I, too, commend your wife. A good wife (spouse) is a treasure indeed!

  • BEWILDERED TO SAY THE LEAST!

    Hi, Jan (mom to cavs) Thanks for your kind words. My sis also has a cavalier . And my sister in law just got one, he can fit in my hand,really really, cute.

  • Jan (Mom to Cavs)

    You sure do have a nice wife…what a nice gift! I know you’ll love Christo as much as you love/d Dugan. Congratulations on your new pup!

  • BEWILDERED TO SAY THE LEAST!

    ONE last commment to help ex plain my tale, as I said the vet knew I lost my job, so I think he assumed Christo ( who is a big pup ) might be at risk for hip dysplasia. thus less protein. His hips are fine . The breeder has been breeding 47 years , my wife and I know 3 people who love this man.His pups seem to live 12 to14 years. I hope mine lives forever. I was heart broken when I lost Dugan. My wife got me Christo as a surprize I never thought Id get a dog again, but Im happy I have him. I also want say im happy to have a nice wife.

  • Jan (Mom to Cavs)

    Bewildered, I’m so sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved pet. The breeder I adopt my Cavaliers from is also a Flat Coated Retriever breeder. I believe she’s even had one go to Westminster. Unfortunately cancer is prevalent for this breed and occasionally she does lose one younger than she’d like, but not often. Again, so sorry to hear this and I’m glad you have your lab to love!

  • BEWILDERED TO SAY THE LEAST!

    Thank you Mike and Toxed2loss. I want to feed Christo, my 8 month old lab the best I can. Last dec I lost my flat coat, Dugan . I always gave him Fosters and Smith dry. Lost my job and put on dog chow. I dont blame the food, but wonder if Id have had him a little longer if I gave him better food. Fosters and smith also has K3 in it. I used to think it was an A plus. Dugan got cancer fast . And went fast. My vet really was helpful. He knew I lost my job so maybe he thought I got Christo from a puppy mill ? MY sister was a breeder of Flat coated retrivers, she gave me Dugan. all most all of the litter got cancer at 7 years. My dog was only 6 . Sis always fed soild gold to her dogs. Any way flat coats are wonderful loving dogs, but do tend to get sick young.I do also love my lab he is alot like the flat coat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Thanks Shawna,
    And the title is actually, “Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet, Healthier Dog Food the ABC Way.” ;-)

  • Shawna

    Steve Brown’s website is see spot live longer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Bewildered,
    Like Dr. Mike says not all vets are up on nutrition. Here are two vets that I like that have done their homework… Dr. Becker (healthypets.mercola.com) and DogtorJ (dogtorJ.com). Dr. Becker wrote a book with Bet Taylor, “Real Food for Healthy Dogs and Cats.” DogtorJ has numerous papers on his website, and Steve Brown wrote “Understanding the Canine Ancestral Diet.” Steve is a nutritionist I believe…. He has a site but I can’t remember it. Hope that’s helpful!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Bewildered… I have no doubt the Purina product is nutritionally adequate. However, it’s still OK to question your vets’ suggestions.

    After all, even though many vets are well-read and up to date, others are notably uninformed and know less about commercial dog food than many of their own clients.

    In any case, I’d judge the quality and meat content of each product you consider individually. — just like we all do when shopping for our own human families.

    That’s why there are websites like DFA. So, just browse the many lists and sorts throughout our website. And be sure to read some of the first hand experiences and opinions of the members and visitors of our community. Hope this helps.

  • melissa

    Mike P-

    Re-rabies vacc

    It is true that the vaccines are the same one-Dogs and cats get 1 cc for either duration. The duration is typically indicated by your state law-typically first vaccine is good for one year, and then each concurrent is good for three years.

    What was your vets reasoning behind no grain free, no rotation etc? The rotation can be a problem if the owners use all the “novel” protein sources if the dog develops a problem. In order to do a food ‘trial”for allergies, you need to use a food with a protein source the dog has not been exposed to, and if the owner has rotated through everything on the market, that can present an issue. I try to limit my dogs exposure to the common proteins and reserve the “exotics” in case of problem. (for example, I try to stay with beef, chicken, lamb, fish) Other than that, I can not think of a reason that he would not think rotation is a good idea?!

  • BEWILDERED TO SAY THE LEAST!

    my vet told me not give my lab puppy food. to much protein. He was worried about his hips. On my next vet visit a different vet was there.He told me he would never feed his labs any thing Purina, and he liked BB wilderness. Not trying to be funny, but I really am bewildered.

  • Shawna

    Mike P ~~ you wrote “I asked about the 3 year rabbies vac and he said there is no diff in the 3 or 1 year.”

    I contacted Fort Dodge (manufacturers the product my vet uses) and they confirmed the 1 and 3 year are in fact the same – except on paper.. :) Several vets mention it online too. Dr. Becker has mentioned it on her Facebook page even.

    So does your vet give three year shots?

  • Marie

    Yes, I agree that nutrition research is very important. Maybe if her practice wasn’t so massive, she’d have more time :) She’s a good vet anyhow. She says she recommends raw for dogs and cats that are diabetic and when the owners just can’t or won’t give shots.

  • Jan (Mom to Cavs)

    Marie, I’m glad your vet is openminded! My old vet didn’t seem to be :( . I also know most don’t have much time for continued research into nutrition, but I think it’s nice that they use clients experiences to learn and recommend foods that work. To me though, nutrition education seems just as important as new medical procedure knowledge.

  • Marie

    Jan,

    I agree that many vets are not into nutrition and only recommend the brands that have had feeding tests done (which unfortunately seem to only be the lower-quality foods). I had to take a cat to my vet the other day (and she’s not a holistic vet, mind you!) due to the cat throwing up and becoming dehydrated because of it – I had started the cat on a raw diet the day he started vomiting (it was a coincidence, turns out he had eaten part of a garbage bag on that very day for some reason!) I mentioned the raw feeding to my vet, somewhat sheepishly, fully expecting an earful – and to my surprise she said, “Oh, raw’s a good one. It probably wasn’t that.”

    She thinks nutrition is important, but she admits to not having a lot of time to research it, so she goes off of recommendations from her clients to recommend to other clients with similar problems (or from other vets she knows). Your post just reminded me of that. :)

  • Jan (Mom to Cavs)

    Mike P, you’re right I’m afraid. Most vets aren’t into the food thing. I think this is a sad thing considering an animals health stems mostly from his nutrition (and genetics, environment, too, of course). For years I went to a traditional vet practice, decent vets mind you. However, they don’t know all that much about nutrition. Only what they sell in their clinics (they have two). And they sell, you guessed it, SD, Eukanuba, RC and Purina. I was never happy about that aspect of their practice, among other things (like vaccination protocols). I have a friend who’s heavily involved in rescue and she sometimes uses a holistic vet in the area (not immediate area…45 mins. away!). She has a dog that has epilepsy and the holistic vet comes highly recommended. I had heard very good reports about this vet, but because it was so far away I didn’t pursue it. Finally, though, I decided I really wanted to go to a vet that understood where I was coming from and knew about the foods I was talking about (and didn’t just give me a blank stare and say they’d never heard of those) and was for doing vaccine titers. Well, long story short lol, I went. They do know about food!!! They recommend raw! They carry Nature’s Variety (all forms) and Steve’s Real Food in their clinic! The main vet told me he feeds his Goldens NV Prairie and Steve’s Real Food because he likes the companies. They carry and recommend Standard Process supplements, as well as Vetri-Science! And they do titers first and foremost! It’s such a world of difference, let me tell you. They spend lots of time answering my questions when I go. Now, they do use traditional things too, like antibiotics, etc. but they also do chiropractic and accupuncture. My old vet actually had a “note” in my animals’ charts pretty much indicating I was “going against their advice in my feeding regimen”! I saw it one day. I was feeding Canine Caviar at the time because it had a low phosphorus. They wanted me to use RC SO. Let’s just say the Canine Caviar worked for the situation just fine lol and the vet didn’t even want to learn about the food. I’m so glad I switched. I’m sure my new vet isn’t perfect, no one is, but I’m very happy atm. The new vet also found some things that the old vet missed on my animals….too long to go into here. They approve of what I’m feeding, too. So, believe me there really are vets out there that are into “food”!

  • Mike P

    I took my dog to the vet for a check up. I played dumb and asked him about nutrition.He strongly advised Iams,Science Diet,and Purina.I asked about grain free premium food and he was so against it.I said I like to rotate food and he said that’s not recommended.He said Purina is the best at quality control.I said I read some stuff on the internet and he said what you read is alot of lies and crap.I asked about the 3 year rabbies vac and he said there is no diff in the 3 or 1 year.I don’t know what to think.I guess vets are not into the food thing.

  • Marie

    Bewildered To Say the Least,

    You and I both! My animals eat FAR better than I, and I’m damn proud of it! I cringe when I think of the time when I was proud of the fact that I could feed 3 cats for under $15 a month (canned AND dry!) Good for you for doing your homework, always better late than never! :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Bewildered To Say the Least,
    I’d like to say, “Bravo!” it’s your loving heart that is open to recognizing your mistake, and correcting it, that makes you great!!! You are already moving forward and doing a better job. (we were all where you were once, too.) what breaks my heart the most is when people are given the FACS and still, stubbornly refuse to believe. Good for you!! :-)

  • BEWILDERED TO SAY THE LEAST!

    … But I would also like to say, shame on me, for not doing my homework before buying food for my poor dog. He’s a beautiful black lab, I payed a premium price for the dog, then paid cheap with his food. For now on, I’ll eat cheap food and he’ll get the good stuff!

  • BEWILDERED TO SAY THE LEAST!

    We gave our dog Puppy Chow, which was utter crap and it gave him bumps from head to tail plus diarrhea every other day. then put him on one beyond lamb and barley he got better, gained weight but now I see K3 is in it. Shame on Purina. Going to put him on Blue wilderness.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja Dog Food Ninja

    Janet.

    This is an independent dog food reviewing website. How can you possibly, given the content of this web-page, think that it is Purina’s own site? Wouldn’t they give their own food a better rating than 3-stars out of 5?

  • Janet

    I have two cats the other is a female Blk Calico.

  • Janet

    I like the Salmon One Beyond with the Cranberry, I have a male Ragdoll and he has had a UTI and a bladder infection. I would like to know if it is possible for you to increase the amt of weight in the feed bags. Right now they are 6 lb bags, I go thru 3 bags a month. Is THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN INCREASE IT TO 16 to 18 lbs.
    Thank you.

    Janet

  • sandy
  • Bob K

    shaunincincy – There are dozens of Lamb and rice based dog foods that provide better nutrition at a lower cost to you a win for both you and your dog. What foods are available near you? Diamond Natural Lamb & rice is available at Menards, Kirklands Lamb & rice is available at Costco. Nutro Max Lamb & rice is also available at Menards but only 3 stars. Remember to transition to a new food slowly. Now it sounds like it is time to visit the local stores and take a few notes.

  • shaunincincy

    Hi! I have a one year-old puppy who is a picky eater. I stumbled upon the Purina One Beyond Lamb & Rice food and he loves it!

    After reading this review, I want to switch to a healthier food. Can you make any suggestions for a healthier alternative which contains lamb & rice that would most resemble Purina One Beyond?

    Thanks.

  • aimee

    interesting. The Purina samples from 1998 were found contaminated but not 2000. Seems in general a lot fewer of the 2000 samples were positive so maybe some changes in the industry.

    It is disconcerting though to see named ingredients as being positive for pentobarb as I was under the impression that this would be more likely in unnamed ingredients.

  • Shawna

    I remembered someone posting a list of foods confirmed to be contaminated with pentobarb.. Granted this list was published in 2001 but Purina “ProPlan” – “beef tallow” was discovered to be contaminated in one sample. Other ingredients in the test samples were not however. Bags of food were purchased from March thru June in 1998 in Laurel, MD.

    Interesting — Nutro’s “Beef meal” was contaminated as well.

    http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/CVM/CVMFOIAElectronicReadingRoom/ucm129135.htm

    A lot of companies have cleaned up since then so this is certainly not proof of current practices..

  • Shawna

    Good point aimee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • aimee

    Shawna,

    Makes sense to me as I recall the organs do have to undergo a separate inspection.

    I was only pointing out that since the ingredients used in Purina product comes from animals passed by USDA for slaughter it wouldn’t contain pentobarb or the unsavory sources that are often attributed to the generic term animal fat.

  • Shawna

    Hi guys,

    aimee wrote “Specifically Purina said all animal sourced products in their food come from animals that have been USDA inspected and passed for slaughter for human comsumption ( no 4D)”

    From my understanding this can be 100% true but the final product is not anywhere close to “human grade”. On Mercola Healthy Pets one of the posters commented that she worked at a USDA for human use meat processing plant. All beef that came through were inspected and passed for slaughter – no 4D. However she mentioned the term “bone hole”. Any parts of the animal that did not meet inspection went down the bone hole to be used in pet food. So the animal was inspected and passed but the meat/offal (body part) did not.

    I think a lot of companies (even 4 and 5 star companies) play on words to trick us into thinking the meats used are human grade. Several higher end (if I remember correctly) foods state the meat was inspected but do not state “and passed”.

    I’ve never researched this further so this data could be completely inaccurate but it makes sense.. To me at least :)

  • Bob K

    aimee – Independent renderers are inspected Section 4 page 31 http://fss.k-state.edu/FeaturedContent/CarcassDisposal/PDF%20Files/CH%204%20-%20Rendering.pdf

    The Independent renderers do not seem to make products fit for human consumption. Would any dog food mfg. confess to sourcing their products from an independent renderer who does not make products fit for human consumption? I suspect the dog food mfgs. like to call it feed or animal grade renderings.

  • aimee

    I should have been clearer. Specifically Purina said all animal sourced products in their food come from animals that have been USDA inspected and passed for slaughter for human comsumption ( no 4D) and the rendered ingredients come only from these animals at integrated processing plants.

    I don’t think an independant renderer plant would fall under USDA regulation as they are not making product for human comsumption .

  • Bob K

    Aimee – All food production plants need to be inspected to have a license to sell products. Slaughter houses are USDA inspected, some are also State and County inspected. USDA Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS). I suspect independent renderers are also USDA inspected and licensed. Listing Animal fat not only allows Purina to change the source at will but also the specific animal fat. Pork, Beef, Lamb, Horse, etc……….

  • aimee

    For a reason unknown to me I have found that companies often use a generic name for a specific ingredient. Perhaps it is because it enables them to change source without having to reprint bags.

    When I recently called Purina I was told if you ever see animal fat on one of their labels the ingredient is beef fat.

    In talking to Purina I have been told that all their animal based ingredients come from intrgrated USDA inspected facilities. This makes sense to me due to the shear volume of materials they need it doesn’t seem feasable to rely on independent renderers for ingredients.

    However, the label is the legal document we have to rely on and the term animal fat can indeed encompass some unsavory sources. In this instance I personally just don’t think it does.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja Dog Food Ninja

    I agree with Shawna, of course. Evelyn, pet stores keep the “national brands” (read: crappy foods) in the back of the store because

    1) they want you to walk past all the stuff for sale so something will catch your eye.

    2) “national brands” have poor margins. They are “profit in bulk” kind of foods and for some smaller chains, the “bulk” for these items is not realised enough for them to come out ahead. So they really do want you to buy the better foods for profit, but also because they really are better for your dog.

  • Shawna

    Evelyn,

    I completely understand your feelings… However, in this case, I (in my heart) feel that the store employee was/is looking out for the best interests of your (and others) dogs and cats. Here’s why I say that…..

    Mike puts emphasis on several ingredients by using the color red. I’d like to focus on one of those emphasized ingredients — “animal fat”.

    In the below link from the FDA’s “animal fat”is discussed as one of the ingredients that is known to be contaminated with the euthanasia drug pentobarbitol. Euthanized animals are used to make four different ingredients — animal fat being the one most contaminated. http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/CVM/CVMFOIAElectronicReadingRoom/ucm129134.htm

    This is what the US Fish and Wildlife department has to say about pentobarbitol contaminated feed ingredients.

    “Rendering is not an acceptable way to dispose of a pentobarbital-tainted carcass. The drug residues are not destroyed in the rendering process, so the tissues and by-products may contain poison and must not be used for animal feed….

    All pentobarbital-euthanized carcasses should be prominently tagged with one or more highly-visible “POISON” warning labels. Bagged animals should have a label affixed to the carcass itself and also attached to the outside of the bag.” http://cpharm.vetmed.vt.edu/USFWS/USFWSFPentobarbFactSheet.pdf

    So, if these two Government agencies are correct, Purina is adding ingredients that are potentially contaminated with “poison” into your dogs food. The result, imo, is the slow poisoning of your dog…

    If Purina, and other manufacturers, can add ingredients that are KNOWN to possibly contain “poison” —- what else are they likely to add??

    In my opinion — Purina, for the above reasons, is one of the worst (higher end) foods on the market. You could do worse don’t get me wrong. But, there are MANY much better quality foods currently available. Some are higher priced and some are not.

  • Evelyn Cawthon

    I recently had to return a bag of Beyond because it had bugs and worms in it. The store where it was purchased was less than complimentary about the product. They told me that the nutrition value was the way the products were displayed. The closer to the cashier the better the value, also the more they cost., I was upset because my dogs love Beyond and I did not like someone selling pet supplies to say something like that. And I felt they were pushing the more expensive foods.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Cindy… The Dog Food Advisor is an independent review site. And has no relationship with any manufacturers. You’ll need to contact the company itself to see if they offer a coupon. Wish I could be more help.

  • cindy burnette

    I have a small dog and would love to try One Beyond but I am on a very tight budget. My husband is retired and I lost my job a few months ago. We use coupons for most everything we can, but I can not find a coupon for your dog food. If you can help us with a coupon it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and keep making a good product for pets. We do not have a computer so if you could mail us a coupon, that would be great. Cindy Burnette

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  • http://puppybehavior.org Proper Nutrituon for Puppy

    I have tried many types of dog food over the last 40 years with my dogs. Purina One Beyond was one of those that I tried, it has excellent ingredients. My older dogs loved it. I would recommend it. The price isn’t bad either.

  • Kelley King

    Michelle, my dog LOVES Purina One Beyond too, the lamb & rice formula. I don’t have a problem with any of the ingredients except that menadione one…..I have an 11 y.o. male dog and my only fear is liver-related issues that could arise. Too bad — I like this food, he likes the food, and it’s a very reasonable price.

  • Michelle

    Our 13 year old female sheltie LOVES this food! She had been eating Blue Buffalo for years, but one day decided she didn’t like it anymore. After a breakout of several ear problems (in one ear) we went through different types of food for her. Homemade Brown rice and chicken – which she got tired of and the rice got stuck in her teeth, to wheat pasta and ground beef, to wheat pasta and Caesar’s Filet Mignon wet food. She tried this dry food and LOVES it mixed with the Caesar’s. Given her age, we just want her to be happy and eat! Our other sheltie still happily eat Blue Buffalo!

  • melissa

    Colleen-If your dog has not been tested, you may want to start there. If you prefer to do an elmination diet, stay away from those with corn/wheat/soy and chemical based additives. I fed Purina for years(without issues) but woke up one day and decided that I wanted a better “ingrediant quality” food for my dogs, that worked for all. For me, the cost of the products were not reflective of the contents of the bag.

  • Bob K

    Coleen – Please read the dog food reviews on this website and educate yourself about Organic dog foods. Learn about pet allergies, limited ingredients diets, single source proteins etc… You need another vet. A vet who understands pet allergies and nutrition. There are many 4 star dog foods on this website that cost less than Purina One that provide better nutrition. Remember to transition dog foods slowly. From your posting it appeasr no one did a proper diagnosis of allergies. For more details check out http://www.acvd.org/ and http://myvetallergy.com/diagnosing_management.php

  • sandy

    I didn’t see anything “organic” in the Harmony Farms ingredient list. However Castor & Pollux Organix, By Nature Organics, Paw Naturaw, Primal, and Natures Variety Organic Chicken has organic ingredients. I’m sure there’s more than those.

  • Colleen

    I own a shih tzu. Got him from a rescue. I have had him for 3yrs now and he is 9 years old. when we first got him, he had a LOOOAAAD of problems! I trusted my vet would provide me with adequate info, but every time I would ask if anything in his diet should be changed or if he needs vitamins. He would just give my dog an allergy shot, pills for his itching, and drops for his eyes and ears. I did my own research and found that my dog Coco responds better to organic based foods. I was feeding him Harmony farms dog food and a lot of his allergies went away or were not as intensive. i decided to try the Purina one, and it did not go well. Coco’s ears got extremely waxy, his eyes were gunky, he had very dry skin, so i’ll never buy it again. I’m going back to harmony farms.

  • “Ryo”

    Haha, I remember the commercials for this crap. -angelic voice -”without corn or wheat….” Yeah. To me, that sounds like a good-sounding excuse to replace corn and wheat with soy. Oh well, at least this actually contains good quality grains.
    I can’t STAND purina. :(

  • finley

    My japanese chin was on nature natural and I saw this food and since it was cheaper and looked about the same I decided to switch. I gradually switched for 4 days, now she has been on this food alone for 7 days is has terrible smelly poop and poops alot.. Now she has the runs, so I am going to switch her bad, this is not worth the savings..

  • ScotIrish86

    I’ve had a bad case as mentioned in several posts above with a terrible transition. My dog has never had a problem switching foods, and only 2-3 days of eating this food had her sick to her stomach and she has diarrhea for a almost a full week. We were hesitant to believe it could all be caused by the dog food, so we slowly started giving her some again mixed with other food and she has had TERRIBLE gas and VERY frequent and I’m worried she’s about to have diarrhea again. She loves it, and our cats steal it, but the reaction is unbearable and makes my dog miserable!

  • http://www.drianbillinghurst.com Gordon

    Sorry Yettekov – Allow me to correct myself. I confused this food with Purina’s One (Not the Beyond One). So instead, you switched from a 5 star to a 2 star, then to this 3 star food, which is better than just Purina One, but still questionable. The other possible cause of the diarrhea, is from a possible upset digestive system caused by a too fast of a food transition. 3 days usually is too short to transition a dog to a new formula. Try transitioning your dog to a new food over a 7 day period at the very least, in future.

  • http://www.drianbillinghurst.com Gordon

    Yettekov – So you went from a 5 star food, to a 2 star one, then this 1 star trash, and now you’re going to go back to TOTW, which don’t get me wrong, is better for your dog. Just wondering why you stopped TOTW to begin with since you said your dog really enjoyed it? With out wanting to pry into your reasons, I guess money is always a militating factor.

  • Yettekov

    I have switched my Akita over to this food a few days ago and he has had the worst diarreah I have seen. I did a 3 day switch over from Purina Pro Plan Chicken and Rice. He did fine on that. I used to feed him Taste of the Wild with the fish and he loved it. I am going to switch him back to that. It seems this new food does not agree with him at all.

  • rachel

    I just switched to this food, I tried the better 4 and 5 star foods befor and they were way to rich for my dogs I have working dogs that need a decent food. so far they love and do great on this. In my oppinion if a dog is doing fine why change it I had a dog that lived to be 19 eating purina.

  • Keith

    My Fox Terrier/Basenji mix loves this food. I have her on the Lamb version. She used to strain when having bowel movements . Now they are smoother but more frequent. I see no problems or adverse reactions after one bag and will continue with Purina Beyond.

  • Susan S

    I understand that the 4 and 5 start foods offer better nutrition and all, but you are starting to sound like a broken record. I come here looking for what people had to say and I leave feeling guilty that I am going to kill my 1 year old dog within the next year. My dog has bathroom problems when going to ‘richer’ foods – Taste of the Wild, Orijen, Acana, Before Grain, Nature’s Recipe – different proteins, etc. And fed very small amounts, trying to transfer him safely. He even rejected Nutro Ultra flat out. They work ok as treats but for his regular food he does great on Purina One Beyond Chicken. Am switching him to Purina One Beyond Lamb for a new taste in his diet, though. I like seeing the reviews on here and have learned some valuable information, but I am still going to give my dog Purina One/Purina One Beyond because it is what he is doing well on. I could get other food, not that I haven’t tried, but my dog and a lot of other dogs I know do great on Purina One/Purina One Beyond. My advice is to read what everyone on here has to say, but take a look at how your dog responds/likes the food and go from there.

  • Bob K

    Erin – If you are concerned over this 3 Star food. There are many 4 Star foods that are less expensive and provide your pet better nutrition. Thats more nutrition for your loved one and more money in your wallet. Remember to transition slowly to new food. You as a consumer get to vote with your wallet.

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  • Erin

    I am a little alarmed at the most recent posts being about diarrhea. I have a 4lb TFT who we gave the food to. My story is the same as the one above; horrible horrible diarrhea. She has never had an issue with switching food. Is it possible that there is a problem with the most recent batches of food they are distributing? It is very worrisome….

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Christy… Did you transition to the new food gradually over a 7-10 day period? Please see our FAQ page and look for the topic, “How to Feed a Dog”. Hope this helps.

  • Christy

    We fed our Shepherd/Husky the “Purina One Beyond – Lamb & Whole Barley” last Tuesday night. He typically does not have any issues with trying a new dry food. He got the worst diarrhea he’s ever had the next afternoon; today is Monday and it is still not completely better. Have been feeding him steamed rice and ground beef for the last 4-5 days. He is a finicky when it comes to eating, and ate the Beyond right up, but we won’t be buying it or feeding it to him again due to his terrible reaction to it.

  • Sainswo1

    I was really excited to try this new food for my dog, but after buying it and feeding it to her for a month I have decided to never buy it again. My dog not only has to relive herself more often since eating this food, but she also has had loose bowels ever since switching to this food. It’s a big problem and the #1 reason why I will not buy this food again.

  • Bob K

    Christopher – Purina One beyond and ProPlan Selects are both decent 3 star foods made by Purina, but you can get 4 star foods and perhaps a few 5 star foods for less money. That means your dog gets better food and save money a win for both you and your dog. Many stores have pet foods on sale.

  • http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/purina-one-beyond/ christopher l

    currently working at Target; we now carry purina one beyond. Just switched my dog from pro plan selects, shredded blend, etc. to Purina One beyond and he likes it! The ingredients are the same and the price is actually lower! For those that want the same ingredients and nutrition for your pets then I recommend it to anyone! By the way, Target gives out some pretty nice coupons for it as well!

  • http://Cohentcsn@cox.net Spencer

    Hey guys, just wanted to interject the fact that I saw this food at our local Walmart yesterday, so it probably is going to be everywhere soon.
    Love you guys, you are all so well-informed and thanks to Mike S. for this great site.

  • Jonathan

    Kandy, I would be more concerned about the synthetic Vitamin K in this food. And the soybeans and “animal fat”. Why did you not want to continue with Natural Balance? all of their foods (except vegetarian) are 3-stars or better, and they contain no big red-flag ingredients.

  • Bob K

    Kandy – Purina One Beyond is a 3 star food, you can get many 4 star foods that provide your pet better nutrition and are less expensive. Why not move your pet up to a better food and save money then its a win for both you and your dog. You use the term, “regular store” How about Costco, Menards, Tractor Supply (TSC), Farm and Fleet who often sell 4 and even perhaps 5 star foods.

  • Kandy

    I found this detailed explanation very helpful, thank you for posting. I plan to read up on more brands. First of all, for the last 7 years we have fed our geriatric dogs Nutro and then switched to Natural Balance after all of the recalls a few years back. When we lost the last of our pack at 17 years old, we swore that the next dog we would start off on a healthy diet that we could find at a “regular” store. Not so easy to do, almost everything is loaded with corn and our new addition could not tolerate it, so we went back to N.B. UNTIL we found Purina One Beyond! We slowly switched her to this one (no problem at all since she absolutely loves it!), and have had no problems since (about 4 months). I hope that we can trust Purina and the “controversial” ingredients are OK. Also, I know there’s another dog food that’s made with avocado – which is very controversial… Anyway, thank you!

  • Jessa

    Thank you so much for the website, it is so helpful. My parents recently got a cavalier and the people they got her from were feeding pedigree and were looking for information on the best dog foods and your site has been so wonderful. I knew those store brands were bad, but I had no idea how bad. I recently moved to a very, very remote area and thought I was going to have to feed my boy store brand as I am on a very tight budget and cannot afford to have food shipped to the middle of nowhere. I heard about this new purina beyond and I was very skeptical, but the information provided here has been instrumental in helping me decide what to feed. I had only ever heard about Tractor Supply once before and had no idea they sold pet food until I found your site. Now I make the 2 hr drive (one way) once a month for Taste of the Wild @ TSC and I am so happy I found it. Thanks to your site, I know I have many pet food options and if I ever have to buy food at the grocer or walmart, I at least know there is one food I can buy there that is not complete garbage.
    Thank You SO MUCH!

  • Bob K

    CMartinez – This is a decent food but you are paying a premium for it. You can get a 4 star food or perhaps even a 5 star for the same or less money and better nutrition for your dog. Its your decision. Better food for less money or Purina One Beyond.

  • CMartinez

    This dog food may have a three star rating, but I never had a dog food my dog actually got excited to eat. I have tried beneful, pedigree, iams, science diet and she would eat only because she has nothing else to eat, sometimes she would not eat them at all and go a day without eating. I would also find her trying to get into the garbage to eat instead. I decided to buy the purina beyond one in a small bag and have her try it out. She loves it! Omg she loves it! And its in my budget too! I don’t know, I think this will be okay for her, if she gets tired of it later I will find something else, but I think so far I am pretty happy with my purchase and she seems very very happy to eat something she enjoys eating.

  • erin c.

    Hey, the ingredients don’t look too bad, except for the Vit.K.

    I just found a coupon and ad for this and was curious about the ingredients. Purina got 3 stars. Wow!

    I used to be a Purina fan. Probably because I have been around a long time, and the pretty packaging.

    It’s really sad that they spend more money on the packaging than the stuff they put IN the bags.

  • Carol RI

    I emailed the company over my concern with the “menadione” and did get a reply. They basically said it was SAFE and not proven to be a health issue and that they provide quality food for pets. Parts of the email were a little sarcastic in nature though?? I guess I should have expected that answer.

  • Meagan

    Bobbi. m i just bought diamond naturals at my local coop! 27.07 for a forty pound bag. will slowly be transitioning starting this evening. but when i opened the bag smelled good and the one dog was literally dripping drool lol hope it works for me

  • Jen G

    This is the only dry food I can get my dog to eat plain. I have tried premium 4 star foods to no avail. I supplement her diet with an egg and leftover meat in addition to the recommended feeding amount. I am very pleased with this food. I appreciate your website and the great info.

  • Roger Prows

    I would mention that caramel coloring is controversial in the review as well, and seeing as cancer is one of the biggest killers of dogs, I feel anything that contains carcinogens added to the food should be no higher than 2 star as my personal interjection.

    To me this is just like what you get with most big brands, make it good enough that people will settle, but the little companies still have much more to offer IMO.

  • Ray

    If one feels compelled to buy Purina out of brand loyalty, (which I do on other retail products) then this kibble is definitely the best choice by far. Although I admit also that it has been quite amusing comparing the different dog foods out there and exploring the options available.

  • Bobi M.

    I saw a commercial for this food today and thought it was a good alternative to Nature’s Recipe. Now I’m not so sure. I have a dog with allergies, and NR works well. Problem is there is no PetSmart less than 2 hours away, so I have it shipped, which costs have the price of the dog food. After looking over this site, I think Diamond Naturals is the way to go. Nice site here!

  • Mike P

    Jill I feel your pain. I live in a area where no good dog food is available . I happen to work 50 miles to where I live so thats where I purchase my food .

  • Bob K

    Jill – That is whats nice about Purina One Beyond as it will be in many large retail stores. You can always improve on kibble by adding additional toppings to the lesser quality kibble. Perhaps some chicken, potato, rice, meats etc… to what you currently feed your dog. Besides the pet shops like Petco and Petsmart, often there are Menards, Farm & Fleet, Tractor Supply (TSC), Farm CO-OPs, and Farm supply stores that often have dog food. You can often search the dog food mfgs. websites for who carries their products.

  • Jill

    Personally I’m very glad to find a decent dog food at Wal-Mart. I live in an area where we buy dog food at Wal-Mart or one grocery store…which carries Purina, Kibbles & Bits and a couple of other 1 star brands. That’s it. Period. No other choices. The local vet sells Science Diet and a prescription-type for special needs dogs.
    So, for those of us who want a good quality food, we’re definitely limited. Mail order is obviously too expensive due to shipping.
    Those of you who are so righteous and say we should just spend less on ourselves might want to think that there are a lot of areas where we simply don’t have any other choice and this is as good as it gets.
    I’m a senior citizen who is unable to drive the 40 miles to a larger city where I might have more options, so please don’t make me feel like a failure as a pet owner!

  • Bob K

    Corri – What was your dog eating for the last 3 years? Rice, Lamb, Beef, pork, corn, rice, potato, soy, wheat, etc….. If you had success with another food and want to switch, you might want to stick with a few ingredients that are similar to the previous food.

  • Corri

    I’m not sure what it is about this food, but since my 3 year old Cavalier has been eating it, I’ve noticed she’s had terrible gas. She’s never had an issue with this before. Does anyone know what it could be from? Yes, I did properly transition her to this new food from her old and she’s been eating it for almost 2 months now. I’m going to be switching her to another food soon because it’s so bad and I’m afraid she’s experiencing stomach discomfort from the gas.

  • lynda

    Hi Bob
    This food as many others contains caramel coloring which has been on the news recently as a proven carcinogen. I have written to Purina & Iams asking them to remove this additive from their grocery store brands.

  • Bob K

    Jessica – The 3 star rating is for the whole product line unless otherwise indicated so both the Lamb and Chicken formula are each 3 stars for this specific Purina product line. On some food reviews you will see a specific star rating then one food may have more or less stars.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Jessica… Unfortunately, I cannot provide customized product reviews and recommendations for each reader. Please read the reviews and visit our FAQ page and look for the topic, “Help Me Choose a Dog Food”. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers.

  • Jessica

    To me, looking at the indregiants it appears the lamb version of this food seemed to be to better than the chicken version. Do you agree? I noticed this review was only of the chicken version. If you could give me your review of the lamb version I would be very grateful. Thanks.

  • Bob K

    S. Smith – No Petco, Menards, TSC or farm supply in your area? I saw this food in the local Target the other day.

  • S. Smith

    I bought two bags of this dry food last week and started mixing it in with Pro Plan Select for my Toy Poodles. I’ve fed just about every food imaginable in the past 30 years, from raw to frozen to kibble to home-cooked. I’ve recently retired from showing and breeding, but still want to feed a good food to the dogs I have left as my pets. I don’t have access any longer to higher premium foods, so this one seemed like a possible alternative. Thank you for the breakdown and review of this product. My only wish is that it came in smaller kibble for Toy dogs and 20 lb bags at my local store. No Pet Smart here.

  • Carol RI

    I just got a coupon for the Beyond and looked it up on their website. Purina is in the right direction – but way to many grains for one of my dogs with allergies. And glad I found this site as I had no clue what Menadione would do !! I feed Wellness SFS and although it’s pricey – they do well on it.
    So guess a switch is not in the works for this product.
    Thanks for the great review !! Greatly appreciated.

  • Jonathan

    How did you switch the food? was the switch sudden?

  • mike

    Our 12 year old Bichon came down with pancreaitis yesterday. I had just bought a free bag of Purina One Beyond. What he actually threw up was some turkey meat, not this. But the Vet told us not to switch kibble like we did. I didn’t know that could affect him like this. Anyway, I’m not saying I think it’s the Beyond… but just reporting it here in case other dog owners report similar findings. It’s hard to say what actually caused it. He’s not overweight and he gets walked regularly. He’s still recovering a day later. Mostly just resting.

  • Mike P

    Mike and Jonathan keep up the great work and don’t let the rare rude post upset you guys . Mike the topping thing is going so well . Thank you so much in leading me to the right direction through this site . I was one person who needed direction on the proper way to feed my new pooch , and you guys came through big time .. I and Jubille thank you..

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Ed… Actually, rather than being criticized, Jonathan should be commended for volunteering so much of his personal time helping others solve their dogs’ problems. Although few here are veterinary professionals, none of us should feel a need to possess a long list of credentials after our names to be able to discuss dog food. Or to offer helpful advice to a fellow dog owner.

    Jonathan has a great deal of experience in pet food retail and answers questions based upon this experience on a daily basis. He knows a lot about dog food and (like all of us) deserves to be treated with dignity and respect by everyone.

  • Antonio

    Jonathan and Mike Sagman do a great job on the posts here. I don’t always agree w/ all their information, but that’s the beauty of this forum, we are allowed to express our views and personal experience w/o having to be ridiculed by the opinion of others. Most of us on here are simply stating our personal experience or opinion on the products. Jonathan keep up the good work, and hopefully you and Mike can put together a working dog list of foods in the near future. Thanks

  • Jonathan

    Thanks, Mike P and Kristin. I think Dr. Sagman would agree that the purpose of making this a two-way forum was so that people like all of us could chime in with helpful ideas and personal experiences. There is no reason to get upset. If you don’t think my advice is correct, then ignore it.

  • http://dogoninn.com Kristin

    Ed,
    So you would prefer ‘expert’ advise from a veterinarian who, if he/she is anything like most of them, recommends garbage like Hills Science Diet?
    It does not take special training or experience to know a thing or two about dog food. Obviously Jonathan spends a lot of time educating himself about dog foods. He is passionate about not only providing good foods for his own pets, but helping educate others do the same. What is so wrong with that?

  • Mike P

    Ed I find Jonathan very informative . All he seems to do is try and help people who are asking for some. He has helped me several times . I’ve never read where the good Doc has ever said anything negative on his post . Maybe he is a label reader and a good one at that . Not everyone understands how exactly to understand the label Eddie . Keep up the great post Jonathan my brother . Peace

  • Jonathan

    Ed, did you have anything useful to contribute to the discussion, or did you just want to be rude?

  • Heather

    I picked it up at Shop Rite last night and I was happy… For us, our dog is allergic to corn meal… and it was hard getting food without corn or wheat. So, we were left to travel. So, I am glad it is now down the road. And our dog already ate 2 bowls of it. (very picky) So, I think it was a good move ;)

  • ed

    Jonathan,

    Your are a prolific poster on here with advice for everyone. Do you have any training or experience that makes you such an expert?

    The good Dr. has worked hard to put this together so I don’t think he needs a label reader telling everyone what to do.

  • Jonathan

    Lisa, mixing this with a better food would probably be fine. By the way, the reason your dogs seem to like the cheaper foods better is that sugar, added salt, and sprayed-on fats are tasty! It’s the same reason we like the taste of McDonald’s burgers better than a salad.

  • Lisa

    Why is it that my dogs don’t like the better rated foods? They won’t eat Blue, EVO and other quality brands. I’ve tried ones with grains, ones without. I finally mixed some Purina One with the quality stuff and then they’d eat it all. I recently got a free sample of Beyond One and they love it. So now I mix the Beyond with the “better” food. If I mix a 3 and a 5, do I get a 4?

  • Jonathan

    Good call. I did notice that, and had forgot. I still think they could both be used as an L.I.D. though!

  • http://dogoninn.com Kristin

    Jonathan,
    The Great Plains Feast formula also has lamb meal in it, just FYI. (Not much though, 8th ingredient listed) Either way a great food for much less money than many of the other 5 star foods.

  • Jonathan

    Catherine, Mike P gave some good advise. All I can add is that my girl LOVES Earthborn Primitive Natural. And EB is coming out with 2 more grain free foods… a fish version with only herring meal as the meat, and a “plains” version with only bison meal as the meat. It will be nice that a lower cost food will have three different grain-free products to rotate around. In any account, just click on the link to Mike (Sagman!)’s 5-star foods…. you couldn’t go wrong with any of those!

  • Mike P

    Catherine I really like the way my girl takes to Before grain (Merrick) and Wellness core . I also rotate some Fromms grain free . Great results and she takes to them with no problems ..Lots of energy and her coat is awesome ..Hope this helps ..Check out the reviews on this site

  • Catherine A

    I normally cook for my dogs and will continue to do so, but because of an unexpected stress factor, I am looking for a quality dry food so I can feed my dogs one meal a day of homemade stuff and one a day of dry food. Can anyone give me some suggestions on a good five star dog food?

  • http://dogoninn.com Kristin

    Thanks for the info, I’ll try to get those one here! Keep checking back, I’ve still got lots to add to this google documents spreadsheet.

  • Jonathan

    Kirkland (sold by Costco as TW pointed out) and 4health sold by Tractor Supply are both made for them exclusively by Diamond Pet Food. They are basically Diamond’s “Naturals” re-packaged.

  • TW

    Authority is exclusively sold at PetSmart.

  • TW

    Kirkland is Costco’s private label brand.

  • http://dogoninn.com Kristin

    There are more brands missing than Kirkland & Authority, unfortunately. I spent hours in Pet Supplies Plus and also went to the Tractor Supply store and Sam’s Club but haven’t been to anywhere that sells Authority or Kirklands. Where are these ones from? And now google documents is in some other language and I don’t know how to change it back. I need to figure out some other way to share my WHOLE spreadsheet as the one on google documents is just a tiny part of it.

  • Cathy

    Yes, Jonathan – We are on the same side. And our message, albeit different style, is important. I can tell you’re passionate about this.

  • Jonathan

    Cathy, once again I agree with most of what you are saying. Including your stepping out of the argument, as I will now do as well. After all, small differences aside, we are on the same side. :-) No sense wasting any more energy on this.

  • Bob K

    Kristin – Big Kudos to you !!! Maybe Mike can place a link to this somewhere on the Main page. Perhaps you can add a date on it so people know how recent the pricing is. I noticed Kirkland and Authority are two popular dog foods missing as they are 3 and 4 star foods. I realize it takes time to do all these and your efforts are greatly appreciated as is Mike’s. https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmNw5KB82-n_dGtyOEpVVXhPQ2tfeU1FUGdEdjVnTkE&hl=en

  • http://dogoninn.com Kristin

    Yes, education about pet food is KEY. Most people don’t realize they’re feeding their dogs garbage, let alone know that they get something much better for not too much more money. And high price alone is not indicative of a quality food. Will all the research on pricing I’ve done, I’ve found that Royal Canin Mini (3 stars) is the most expensive dry food. As far as canned food goes, ounce for ounce, Chef Michael’s (2 stars) is the most expensive. Here’s the data:
    https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmNw5KB82-n_dGtyOEpVVXhPQ2tfeU1FUGdEdjVnTkE&hl=en

  • Cathy

    I’m suggesting we all be more bold with the truth, somewhere in between the ‘angry argument’ and the ‘baby steps’. I’ve never been an Angry Arguer. Over many years of way-too-polite baby steps, I’ve convinced hundreds (thousands if we count the Ripple Effect) to clean up their food consumption, for people and pets.
    A couple of years ago, I switched to being assertively blunt. It’s the Shock Factor of using the word P O I S O N that makes more people pause and THINK. Oh, and a peculiar thing that I’ve deduced is that most people care more about their pet food and pet health than they care about their own food and health.
    We’ll just have to Agree To Disagree on this approach because I’m not reverting to Baby Steps. I’m guessing you’re alot younger than me, so you’ll likely be around to see the demise of the planet. I won’t. With overpopulation and inferior food, I expect that in 30+ years, conversation about our toxic food will be anything but polite.

  • Jonathan

    Cathy, I agree with everything you are saying. I know industry poisons us and that the government is in bed with Monsanto and General Mills. I hate the sheep-like thinking that public schools encourage and their constant attempts to reduce individualism by forcing dress-codes and making up “bad words” that they can’t say, and punishing those that choose to think out side the box.

    How many minds do you think are changed by some smelly hippy that chains himself to a tree? Most people write him off as a nut and become further entrenched in their beliefs.

    If I can show people why Pro Pac is better than Dog Chow, (Pro Pac, btw, uses non-GMO corn) then that does two things. One, it gets their dog on a better food. And two, it puts the idea in their head (that maybe wasn’t there in the first place) that maybe advertising and industry is not looking out for them. Baby steps.

    Look, if you think getting angry and posting militant things about dog food is going to stop an industry backed by government corruption and constant media and advertising lies, then you are sadly mistaken.

    I have personally convinced many people to change their dogs to a better food. I have personally convinced several people to stop using aspartame. I subtly spread the word when ever the opportunity presents itself and I try to do so in a non-threatening explanatory manner because I do not believe that angry argument will ever change some one’s point of view.

    Take this site itself: Mike simply presents facts that can help lead people to better decisions. That is the way to create change. And I bet it has.

    You know why Purina even bothered to make a food like this? Dogfoodadvisor.com. Dogfoodanalysis.com. Or any of the other sites out there exposing the garbage that is in the usual dog food. With the Internet, everyone can learn and become an expert on a subject without having to even go to school. And Purina knows people are reading.

    That is change.

  • Cathy

    We should all worry, Jonathan.
    Our society (driven by governments) functions exceptionally well for products and technology; and that path will simply continue, in a good economy or bad economy.
    Our society functions poorly for humanity (family, community, caring, interdependence, etc). Even our public school system was designed to encourage robot-think. Critical thinking is discouraged. Read more in ISHMAEL and other Quinn writings.
    Modern medicine primarily masks and/or alleviates symptoms. Just imagine where we’d be with all of our medical smarts if we also consumed healthy non-toxic food!

  • Jonathan

    Don’t worry, Cathy, I believe our invisible bubble of government, economy and technology will burst way before our crappy processed food will ruin us. Then we can go back to hunter-gatherers and eat the way nature intended. But we will still die younger because we will have lost modern medicine. Oh well, whadaya do.

  • Cathy

    We need to be anti-Nazi. We, and our pets, are on a slow train to Auschwitz. It’s going very slow, but the destination is clear. If we don’t shout the message from the rooftops, we are on the path to annihilation. The longer we take to reverse direction, the less chance we will recover.

    You are what you eat. You get what you pay for. Pay now or pay later. We shouldn’t tiptoe around our food crisis. Polite conversation doesn’t effect change.

    A good read is ISHMAEL by Daniel Quinn (www.Ishmael.org). Quinn’s historical explanation of our societal disaster is that it started when we ‘locked up the food supply’. Quinn encourages us to think like a Martian Anthropologist…. Step way back, view the big picture, and eagerly question all nonsense.

  • Jonathan

    Once again, Cathy, I agree with the idea of your message. And my point, once again, is not that this is a good food. It is a step.

    If you want to get right down to it, even the best 5-star kibble is still a processed meat flavored dough. 5-star foods are like making decent choices at a chain-restaurant. 4-star foods are like eating salads and grilled chicken from “better” fast food places. And this food, 3-star food, is like “fast food” if you are eating the burger with a salad instead of the fries. Then 2 star foods are like eating a Big Mac with fries and a super sized Coke. And one star is eating out of McDonald’s dumpster.

    Each step is better than the previous. Your goal takes it too far right off the bat to be able to reach many people. You’re like the environmentalist that shuns everyone who doesn’t have solar panels and an all electric vehicle or just ride a bike…

    Being too militant can put off people you are trying to reach. So like I said… I agree with most everything you expressed above. I just don’t think there is a large enough section of the population that will take that kind of aggressive stance seriously, they will write us off as dog-food Nazis, and go right on feeding Ol’ Roy.

  • Cathy

    Jonathan – I see your point too. But, it’s really like splitting hairs. Sort of like if someone offered me Pepsi, Diet Coke and RedBull, I’d decline all. I could argue that one beverage is not quite as bad as the other; but my point is: they’re all bad.

  • Cathy

    Bob K, I see your point about nudging people up a notch from high-level crap to mid-level crap. I just think this particular food is a misleading nudge. It’s unfortunate that we have come to this frame of reference in our society. We need to stop sugar-coating the message. The choices are minimal-toxic foods, moderate-toxic foods, and massive-toxic foods.

    This is a low 3-star at best. It’s too similar to most 2-stars (excepting the corn). But soybean meal isn’t much better than corn meal, both likely sourced from 100% Genetically Modified plants, loaded with the chemical RoundUp.

    Also, the price of the food doesn’t match the quality. They’ve done a fabulous job on marketing this and the bag looks warm and fuzzy, but it’s still low quality for dog nutrition.

  • Jonathan

    Cathy, Brewer’s rice and corn meal do make that big of a difference to me. And obviously, to Mike, given that he rated this food at 3 stars and RR at 2. The majority of the material that this food is comprised of (that being the carbohydrates) are of a much better quality than the comparable majority of the materials used to make RR.

    Oh, and notice comparing RR against Beyond that RR contains not one, but two major protein-boosting plant items (soy and corn gluten meal) so the amount of actual meat in Beyond would seem to be higher.

    Again, though, there is only a one star difference between the two foods… One Beyond being only mildly recommended.

    As Bob said above, it’s not that this food is so good… it’s that it will be so available. Even to markets where people cannot otherwise find good dog food.

  • Bob K

    Cathy – Besides a 3 Star which is pretty good, this food should be available in the large grocery stores that currently sell Purina One which is 1 Star food. The reach Purina has from a sales and marketing perspective for Purina One is huge. Many of the 4 and 5 star foods are only sold through specialty pet food stores and a few only have special distributors. Until this food came out the only way you were able to pucchase a 3 Star Prina was through a pet shop or specialty store. This really is a positive huge step forward for pet nutrition for consumers, Mass retailers (grocery Stores) and Purina. Now if they could only get the price point to what the other Purina One products sell for.

  • Cathy

    Jonathan – You are so knowledgeable, I’m really surprised at your positive spin on this Purina One Beyond, which is so pathetically similar to other foods that you’ve slammed as trash, garbage, soylent green, etc. For example, Rachael Ray Nutrish you describe “certainly is trash”. Ingredient comparison, there’s not much difference in Purina One Beyond and Rachael Ray Nutrish. Animal fat in both. Menadione in both. Similar % protein, fat and carbs. Protein boosted in both by soybean meal. Only negligible difference seems to be the grains used. Purina One Beyond is trash in a pretty package. For those wanting to ‘save that buck’ for the power bill or the espresso, there are a host of 3-star food choices on Mike’s list that are higher quality, and less expensive, than Purina One Beyond.

  • Jonathan

    Group-hug! ;-)

  • Mike P

    Right on Jonathan , your the best . Bob K sorry and great work brother …

  • Jonathan

    I know that you didn’t want to come across badly, and you just really care about dogs… no fault there!

    I just worry with stuff like the above posts that if some one new comes to the site and feels like they are being looked down on, it may just turn them away from the whole world of dog food nutrition. You know?

    Like I don’t want some one to come up here and go “oh these are just crazy radical dog-people… I don’t need to listen to them.” Like the way I feel when some celebrity is telling me I should buy a Prius because I’m ruining the earth. I don’t have the money for a brand new car, thank you.

    But yeah, I respect that you sacrifice for your dog. Admire it, even. Some people will not go that far, so maybe we can get them to meet us half way… with foods like this. :-)

  • Bob K

    Jonathan – Two thumbs up for you – well said. I do foster work for a german shorthair rescue, Oh the stories I can tell you. I have fostered 32 dogs in 2.5 years. We usually feed the dogs Eagle Pack but now I am going to Diamond Naturals Chicken because of price, availability and a 4 star rating. We also have a few dog food pantries in our metropolitan area for those who are down and out and people donate all sorts of crap but a meal of something is better than no meal for a starving dog.

  • Mike P

    Jonathan I guess I had that coming . I am not looking down my nose as I am barely afloat in my own life. I really have to sacrifice for my dog to get what she needs. 50 mile drives and what not , not important . I just want people to see how important it is and not just settle for bad food . Your absolutely right that there is plenty of good 3 star foods for almost the same amount of money .BUT when you make a decision to get a dog it’s a huge decision that you make. I’m sorry i offended some with my post … My dog is family and I’m passionate on this subject .. Thanks Jonathan for checking me . I did not want to come accross like that ..

  • Jonathan

    La-di-da, I’m smarter than “average” people. La-di-da, they shouldn’t have pets and I should.

    Well guess what? They do have pets. Not to mention that millions of pets are destroyed every year. You going to adopt them all? You cannot stop people from having pets.

    Further more, who are we to think we are better than the majority, many of whom are very well meaning pet owners that simply don’t know that their pet food is made from garbage? I didn’t know not too long ago.

    That is the point of this site. It is to inform people. Some people have no disposable income and do not spend extra on themselves as it is. A 70 pound dog can eat a 30 pound bag of food a month. A $30 bag of food versus a $70 bag of food can be the difference between making the light bill payment or not for people on a budget.

    And no, Mike P, some people cannot spend the time and extra money traveling 50 miles to buy food for their dog. That is why a food like this gets three stars. It is far superior to 90% of what you will find in a grocery store, and it is IN the grocery store… where even rural folks can buy it.

    Are there better foods? Clearly there are. But let’s not kid ourselves. Getting some people to go from Kibbles and bits to this is a huge step in the right direction for the dog’s health. And that is a more realistic goal than to get people to jump right to Orijen or what have you.

    Instead of looking down our nose at less educated people by being dog food Nazis, should we just want to help them make a better decision for their dog?

  • Mike P

    Well said Cathy..exactly what I was trying to get across ..You said it much better..Unfortunately some people should not own animals . I see it all around me in my town. We have a shelter loaded with strays that were not cared for . My previous dog was fed on gocery store junk and lived for 12 years which is great for a boxer . My bad . My new dog is being fed all quality food now thanks to this site and people like you who educated me on the value of quality food. Thanks to all that contribute..Peace

  • Bob K

    Cathy – Paying more is not the answer, All I am trying to get across is that expensive dog food does not equate to quality dog food and many people are on tight budgets and need to realize that there are some excellent dog foods cheaper than the stuff they are currently buying like: Iams ProActive Health , Purina One, ProPlan, Rachael Ray, Beneful, Eukanuba, most Hills Science Diet, etc……. Much is about education. Some of our mass marketing companies and large food companies sell us their crap and people believe it is a great product without researching it. With this website, we become informed consumers enabled to choose a great dog food that fits within someones budget.

  • Cathy

    I’ll defend Mike P on this one. Bob K, I know too many ‘educated’ people who eat crap and feed crap to their pets. People don’t want to change because change is uncomfortable. Most people don’t change until they suffer greatly (serious disease, injustice). Most don’t change even if they *know* better.
    For a tad bit more $, a great dog food can be purchased. Most people I know waste gobs of money on non-essentials (beer, cigs, espresso, lotto, tattoo, manicure, vending machine junk, etc).
    Your dog deserves quality food. If you allocate an additional $1 PER DAY on your dog’s food (even if you had to forgo some beer, cigs, coffee, lotto, chips), this amounts to $30 per month. Your dog will be healthier and you’ll likely have fewer vet bills down the road if you spent just $30 more per month, which is $1 PER DAY.
    Every time you purchase a product or service, think about your dog. What is more important – the beer or your dog, the tattoo or your dog, the espresso or your dog, the acrylic nails or your dog.

  • Bob K

    Tell your story to the 10% unemployed. The elderly who rescue a pet. The family of 5 whose kids want a family pet and the dad works works in the Walmart or Farm & Fleet hoping he gets on fulltime with benefits like health insurance. There are lots of stores that sell dog food, but is it quality dog food. Since you live in the sticks, you seem to know the people very well and some of the dog foods at Menards and TSC that are of quality may interest you, and its not always the most expensive dog food ithat is best. This is a fairly expensive 3 star food, there are 4 stars that are cheaper.

  • Mike P

    What ?? It’s hard to imagine you live in a town that sells expresso and no dog food ..The closest store to me is 54 miles so I feel your pain. I live in a backwoods town where most people would rather buy there beer and cigs instead of a quality pet food , alot keep them chained to a tree. Even dumb people know the bad stuff they put in there bodies is unhealthy , so spare me the excuses ..and don’t tell me what THIS site is about

  • Bob K

    Mike P – This website is about Pet nutrition and the more expensive or name brand dog food is not always the best sorry to say. Most dog owners have been brainwashed by some big names in the dog food business and marketing hype about what is a good dog food. So paying a fee more dollar and drinking one less expresso is not the answer, its all about education. If 30% of the US population is overweight and knows little about their own diet and nutrition needs, what makes you think they are anymore enlightened about their dogs needs.

    Many pet owners face financial difficulties, unemployment, retirement or live in remote area where a large dog food selection is not available so getting a great dog food at an affordable price is worth a million to the dog in need.

  • Mike P

    Amazing when we talk about a couple dollars here and there when we choose dog food . How about one night less out to eat , or buy the 60 dollar shoes instead of the 100 dollar ones ? Why have the dog if you can’t take care of it ? Sacrafice some of our wants for our dogs needs . Sorry but had to say it …Peace

  • Bob K

    Oh Well – I guess I will stick with my Diamond Naturals at Menards for $26.99 for 40lbs. Hopefully the mass retailers will pick up Purina One Beyond as their ultimate premium dog food at 3 Stars. Sure beats most of the other crap though.

  • http://dogoninn.com Kristin

    At a grocery store in Battle Creek, Michigan they had Purina ONE Beyond at $22.99 for a 15 lb bag. ($1.55/lb) The regular Purina ONE is $29.98 for 34 lbs ($0.88/lb). Pro Plan Select is $49.98 for 33 lbs ($1.51/lb).

  • Jonathan

    I haven’t seen in stores yet. I don’t know if my store will carry it, simply because we have limited amount of grocery store brand foods we bother carrying.

  • Bob K

    Jonathan – You guessed this one right. Big breakthrough for many people who have limited shopping options. Have you seen pricing? Is this priced much more than the traditional Purine One in the red bag? This will give the Purina Pro Plan Selects a run for their money and consumers a decent food from a big company with mass distribution and availability. Yeah – Purina thumbs up for you.

  • Jonathan

    I had a good feeling you would give this one 3 stars. Finally, something from Purina that can be found in most stores that isn’t total crap!