Nature’s Recipe (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★☆☆

Nature’s Recipe dry dog food receives the Advisor’s mid-tier rating of 3 stars.

The Nature’s Recipe product line includes 14 dry dog foods.

However, since we’re unable to locate AAFCO nutritional adequacy statements for these dog foods on the company’s website, it’s impossible for us to report specific life stage recommendations for these recipes.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review:

  • Nature’s Recipe Puppy Large Breed
  • Nature’s Recipe Adult Lamb Meal and Rice
  • Nature’s Recipe Senior Lamb Meal and Rice
  • Nature’s Recipe Puppy Lamb Meal and Rice
  • Nature’s Recipe Small Breed Lamb Meal and Rice
  • Nature’s Recipe Healthy Skin Vegetarian (2 stars)
  • Nature’s Recipe Small Breed Venison Meal and Rice
  • Nature’s Recipe Toy Breed Chicken, Barley and Rice
  • Nature’s Recipe Healthy Skin Venison Meal and Rice
  • Nature’s Recipe Easy to Digest Fish Meal and Potato
  • Nature’s Recipe Terrier Breed Chicken, Barley and Rice
  • Nature’s Recipe Large Breed Chicken Meal and Oatmeal
  • Nature’s Recipe Easy to Digest Chicken Meal, Rice and Barley
  • Nature’s Recipe Healthy Weight Chicken Meal, Rice and Barley

Nature’s Recipe Large Breed Chicken and Oatmeal Dog Food was selected to represent the others in the line for this review.

Nature's Recipe Large Breed Chicken and Oatmeal

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 24% | Fat = 13% | Carbs = 54%

Ingredients: Chicken meal, oatmeal, pearled barley, brown rice, poultry fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), chicken, brewers dried yeast, dicalcium phosphate, tomato pomace, natural flavor, salt, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, inulin, alfalfa nutrient concentrate, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), inositol, niacin supplement, vitamin A supplement, d-calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, beta-carotene, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, menadione sodium bisulfite complex, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement), minerals (zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, iron proteinate, copper sulfate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), l-carnitine, glucosamine hydrochloride, choline chloride, chondroitin sulfate, Yucca schidigera extract, citric acid (used as a preservative), rosemary extract

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.4%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis22%12%NA
Dry Matter Basis24%13%54%
Calorie Weighted Basis22%29%49%

The first ingredient in this dog food is chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The second ingredient is oatmeal, a whole-grain product made from coarsely ground oats. Oatmeal is naturally rich in B-vitamins, dietary fiber and can be (depending upon its level of purity) gluten-free.

The third ingredient is barley. Barley is a starchy carbohydrate supplying fiber and other healthy nutrients. Unlike grains with a higher glycemic index, barley can help support more stable blood sugar levels.

The fourth item lists brown rice, a complex carbohydrate that (once cooked) can be fairly easy to digest. However, aside from its natural energy content, rice is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The fifth ingredient lists poultry fat. Poultry fat is obtained from rendering, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Poultry fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life.

However, poultry fat is a relatively generic ingredient and can be considered lower in quality than a similar item from a named source animal (like chicken fat).

The sixth ingredient is chicken. Although it is a quality item, raw chicken contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The seventh ingredient is brewers yeast. Brewers yeast can be a controversial item. Although it’s a by-product of the beer making process, this ingredient is rich in minerals and other healthy nutrients.

Fans believe yeast repels fleas and supports the immune system.

Critics argue yeast ingredients can be linked to allergies. This may be true, but (like all allergies) only if your particular dog is allergic to the yeast itself.

In addition, a vocal minority insists yeast can increase the risk of developing the life-threatening condition known as bloat. However, this is a claim we’ve not been able to scientifically verify.

In any case, unless your dog is specifically allergic to it, yeast can still be considered a nutritious additive.

What’s more noteworthy here is that brewers yeast contains about 48% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The eighth ingredient is dicalcium phosphate, likely used here as a dietary calcium supplement.

The ninth ingredient is tomato pomace. Tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, we note the inclusion of inulin, a starch-like compound made up of repeating units of carbohydrates and found in certain roots and tubers.

Not only is inulin a natural source of soluble dietary fiber, it’s also a prebiotic used to promote the growth of healthy bacteria in a dog’s digestive tract.

Next, this food also contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

And lastly, this Nature’s Recipe product also contains menadione, a controversial form of vitamin K linked to liver toxicity, allergies and the abnormal break-down of red blood cells.

Since vitamin K isn’t required by AAFCO in either of its dog food nutrient profiles, we question the use of this substance in any canine formulation.

Nature’s Recipe Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Nature’s Recipe dry dog food looks to be an average kibble.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 24%, a fat level of 13% and an estimated carbohydrate content of 54%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 25% and a mean fat level of 13%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 54% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 51%.

Below-average protein. Below-average fat. And above-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the protein-boosting effect of the brewers yeast, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a modest amount of meat.

However, it’s unfortunate the company chose to include menadione in its recipes. Without this controversial supplement, we may have considered awarding this brand a higher rating.

Bottom line?

Nature’s Recipe is a grain-based dry kibble using only a modest amount of various named meat meals as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 3 stars.

Recommended.

Those looking for a wet food from the same company may want to check out our review of Nature’s Recipe canned dog food.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

A Final Word

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Notes and Updates

06/07/2010 Original review
01/07/2011 Review updated
10/16/2012 Last Update

  • molly

    Is anyone using the vegetarian formula? Would like many comments! I see my disqus’s comment. Thanks! Also thanks for the length of time feeding. What breeds, what sizes or are they mixes???

  • Sophie’s mom

    I have been feeding all my dogs, fosters and all 4 of my ‘hometeam’ the vegetarian formula Nature’s Recipe for so many years, I’ve lost count. My veterinarian is amazed with their gorgeous coats, fresh breath, blood work and general condition. They smell so sweet! My eldest dog is 14 and appears 6. My vet cannot believe she’s really 14! I love this food, they love the taste, no problems whatsoever. I highly recommend it.

  • Blogan

    Just want to comment that I have a 14 year old Lab – just starting to have back leg problems but has had Cushings for 4 years (average is 2 years) – and she’s been on Nature’s Recipe the last 6 years. I trust it!

  • Pattyvaughn

    Kidney and bladder problems can cause odor in dogs as well as people. Alot of the time you can smell it on their breath, just like you can smell blood sugar issues on their breath.

  • Shawna

    Dogs don’t have sweat glands on their skin but they do have pores and stink can come out via pores not just in sweat.

    Candida yeast cause a all over “corn chip” or “musty” smell and candida is fed by sugar/carbs.

    Cortisol is exacerbated by sugar/carbs. Vet Dr. Karen Becker writes regarding the prevention of cushings disease “Eliminate carbohydrates – corn, wheat and rice. Carbs trigger insulin release. Insulin triggers cortisol release.” http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/09/23/hormone-imbalance-caused-by-spaying-or-neutering.aspx

    The lectin proteins in certain foods, like gluten in barley and wheat, can cause autoimmune diseases including damage to the thyroid gland.

  • Tazman

    You are partially correct Dogs do not sweat through their skin as we do, they pant, the only places they sweat are their nose, between their toes and the tips of their ears. The stink and most of today’s obese dogs have underlining issues, IE Thyroid, Cortisol, IGA and IGG imbalances. The point you make regarding Hi Carb foods is well taken, but to rule out not just being over fed and lack of exercise a complete blood panel should be run with a hard look at T-3 and T-4 Thyroid.
    Thanks

  • monkey

    Diet can make a dog stink. And crap quality high carb foods can make a dog fat. Don’t know what else to say.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    My newest foster smells so bad and he’s fat! He’s eating a Rx diet right now. I don’t know any of his history but he’s had stone/blockage surgery of some type. He doesn’t pee from the usual place!

  • Shawna

    There have been numerous studies demonstrating superior weight loss in higher protein diets. Here’s two of them both from the Journal of Nutrition.

    “High-Protein Low-Carbohydrate Diets Enhance Weight Loss in Dogs1,2″ http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/8/2087S.long

    “Weight Loss in Obese Dogs: Evaluation of a High-Protein, Low-Carbohydrate Diet1,2″ http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/6/1685S.full

  • Shawna

    Hi Tazman

    Sounds like you’ve fallen prey to some unfortunate myths. This is particularly bad as you seem to be in a position to where you might be able to influence people. If you allow me, I’ll demonstrate why these ideas of low protein are myths.

    1. protein does not cause issues in large breed dogs. As the others mentioned it is excessive calcium and calories. Carbs have the same exact amount of calories as protein.

    “Jennifer Larsen DVM, MS
    Resident, Small Animal Clinical Nutrition
    Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital
    School of Veterinary Medicine, University of California, Davis

    The same group went on to investigate the individual dietary components and demonstrated that dietary protein level had no effect on the development of osteochondrosis (Nap, et. al, 1991). For some reason, dietary protein level continues to be incriminated by some owners, breeders, and veterinarians, despite the lack of supportive evidence.” http://www.lgd.org/library/Optimal%20feeding%20of%20large%20breed%20puppies.pdf

    2. Regarding kidney disease — they have known for over 20 years that protein does not deteriorate the kidneys once a dog HAS kidney disease. It certainly doesn’t harm the kidneys before kd.

    “Mythology of Protein Restriction for Dogs with Reduced Renal Function
    Kenneth C. Bovée, DVM, MMedSc
    Department of Clinical Studies, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    Why Have We Chosen to Keep the Reduced Protein Myth?

    The myth has been maintained even in the past decade despite negative scientific evidence because the dogma has persisted about its value for the past 40 years.

    Owners can easily be enrolled to accept such diet change because they feel they are involved in doing something constructive. Professional responsibility has been lost in this case. The situation can remind us that we are part of an uncritical profession with little review or standards. When scientific proof fails to justify a practice, a false myth may likely live on.

    In conclusion, the continued existence of this false myth about dietary protein is an uncomfortable reminder of the lack of sophistication, lack of critical thought, and reliance on oversimplified and attractive dogma that persists in our profession.” http://www.dogaware.com/files/bovee.pdf

    Please don’t be part of the spreading of these false myths.. You are doing lots of dogs and owners a great disservice in doing so… Thanks for your consideration and time in reading this.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Yes, food can cause a dog to stink. A dog that is intolerant to grains will often produce excess sebum, which is body oil and has a musty odor to it. Food can contribute to yeast infections in the ears or all over the body that produce quite an odor. Then there is the fact that in some dogs, some foods produce gas, which has an odor to it.

  • Tazman

    The food would not cause the Dog to stink.There are other reasons the Dog is fat. When was the last time a complete blood panel was run?

  • monkey

    Why would protein cause kidney and skin problems? Have you ever looked in your dogs mouth? Those teeth are meant to crush bones and eat meat. Calcium is the problem with large breeds, not protein.
    By the way, my grandparents feed their dog this food and she is fat and stinks a couple days after baths.

  • InkedMarie

    Who are you talking to?

  • Tazman

    I must say you do not have a clue about Dog foods. The problem with many many Dogs today is to much protien and Fat. The average Dog sleeps most of the day and if they are lucky get walked once a day to much protien and fat causes in large breeds several problems, first the long boned grow to fast and cause joint problems, to much protien can cause skin problems as well as Kidney problems. I have fed the food for over 20 years and I believe my results well decide for yourseld, over 1000 AKC BEST in SHOWS. 13 Group ones at the Garden Number 1 Dog all Breeds all systems 5 times, My Dogs never saw a Prtien over 24% and Fat never over 12%. I had 6 different breeds.

  • Justine

    I see drama all over YouTube and Facebook, but I was a little surprised to see it on a DOG FOOD REVIEW website. I mean, come on people. This is why we don’t have nice things.

    Anyway, all I want to say is that I have been feeding my new adopted shelter dog (7 year old Pomeranian) this brand’s wet food and just started him on the dry. It’s more bite-size for him than what he was being fed at the shelter (they thought he just didn’t like dry food) and he seems to like the added chewy fruits and veggies. So far so good!

  • Florida GSD Owner

    We have 2 GSD’s (5 and 3 yrs females). The older developed significant food allergies at 1yr – ear and skin infections + sensitive stomach. I switched to Natures Recipe Venison and Rice after doing Science Diet hypoallergenic for 3 months (cost prohibitive) – they have been on this dry food for years now and ears and skin are healthy. My girls are happy and beautiful. Coupons are available for Pet Supermarket in Gainesville, FL and every 5 or 6 bags, I get a coupon for a free 35lb bag!!

  • Helzbelz

    Has anyone noticed a change in their dog’s coat? Mine are dry and there is shedding which i have never had before. Has the formula changed? I feed lamb.

  • http://www.facebook.com/melanie.samuels Melanie Samuels

    I used to work at Petco. I often tried to improve the foods owners fed their dogs within what we sold there. Naturally, if they wanted the best then they wouldn’t be in Petco – am I right??

    I have seen a lot of owners

  • Debbie

    ps. All this occurred around Feb 2nd

  • Debbie

    Has anyone here had problems lately with this food. My vet recommended we switch to Nature’s Recipe since one of our German Shepherds was under weight and the other has allergies. We were on a much higher grade food but went along with her recommendations. They were both doing well until I switched the flavor to Farm Stand Selects after about 3 mos of them being on the regular flavors. I thought I was making an upgrade by giving them the Farm Stand variety. About 4 days later, one dog started vomiting and the other got diarrhea. The vomiting subsided some but the diarrhea got much worse and lasted over 2 weeks. We stopped feeding treats, etc. and even tried mixing rice into their food but to no avail. GS’s are known for their sensitive stomachs so I usually switch their food gradually but since they were so sick I switched them back to our original brand of food w/o weaning and the diarrhea immediately stopped. It seems too much of a coincidence that all sickness stopped as soon as I switched and that was around the time many foods began being recalled. I of course expected this one to be recalled as well. I haven’t seen it yet but wondering if anyone had a similar experience with this brand and/or variety. Thanks for the feedback!

  • Rodeyrode

    I switched to this because my dobermans were having skin issues on inexpensive foods. Their coats are much shinier now and no more itchy, flaky skin. This food was the best i could do financially and I am glad we switched, it is definitely better than grocery store kibble and an affordable choice.

  • The Dog Mom

    This is the food I’ve been feeding my 3 pups most recently, and everyone is doing very well on it. Visit my blog to read about our life together!!!

    http://thedogmomblog.blogspot.com/

  • Ttwotees

    Excellent policy

  • Love Black Labs

    Awesome Dog Food:] Thats My Lab Dixie shes a girl I love

    Nature’s Recipe<3

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Although many of you have made excellent points in this thread, it’s completely inappropriate and unkind to criticize or mock another just because that individual does not meet your personal educational expectations.

    Frankly, many times I’m in awe of so many of the participants here. And I consider many of you true “experts” and “scientists” in the field of canine nutrition – no matter what your education.

    Nowhere in our our commenting policy does it state a participant here must possess or openly declare his (or her) academic credentials.

    However, as I reminded everyone in my last comment here, it does warn:

    “… we delete comments that exceed the boundaries of courteous behavior. This includes remarks that are rude, profane, mean-spirited, disrespectful, lack good manners or otherwise unrelated to the topic at hand.”

    Some (but not all) of the comments in this particular thread have been unnecessarily rude and critical of others and can be considered direct violations of these community guidelines.

    So, rather than ruminate over and pass judgement on each of these remarks, I have elected to temporarily close this thread until further notice.

    I apologize to all of you for doing this.

    However, the unfriendly atmosphere presented to onlookers and visitors created by this discussion is unwelcome here and has made it necessary for me to take this action.

  • Toodles

    Hi and bye.  I joined this list 3 days ago to comment on the food and price and my inbox has been flooded with 11,243 comments stemming from the (insensitive, if not inappropriate) post by johnandchristo. This is so typical of waste-of-time lists where everybody is an expert and everybody is a stupid critic who think they are better than the rest, and they HAVE to prove it.  I for one am sick and tired of it after just a couple of days.  Have fun y’all, just don’t share your fun with me anymore. Sit! that’s a good dog.  Be quiet!  that’s a better dog.  Byeeeee. 

  • Toxed2loss

    I love you too, John!!!!

  • InkedMarie

    ok, enough of all this drama, I come here because the core group of us get along well. Agree, disagree, correct spelling, don’t call names. It’s friday night, lets all hug and have a good weekend. Understand y’all? don’t make me have to head south to smack some heads!

  • Mike P

    Good night John…here’s a awkward man hug for ya…

  • Mike P

    I would say yes you are. Shawna you have given me thousands of dollars worth of advice as well as Toxi has too…

  • Shawna

    LOVE YOU John!!!  Have a good night!!!

  • Johnandchristo

    To all …….

    I am now done with this. feel free to bash, mash and talk trash. maybe in the morning we can move on. peace and love to you all.

  • Shawna

    I don’t want to discuss John’s post to aimee or any subsequent replies but I do have to ask you a question about your post :) ..

    Based on your interpretation of a professional — would you then agree that I could refer to myself as a “canine nutritionist”?  I’ve never referred to myself that way (at least that I can remember).  But I do get paid to give nutritional seminars and consult with store owners in my local area and do private consults.  Does that make me a professional in the field of canine nutrition?  I’m not trying to set you up or have any alterior motive in this question.  I’m just really curious how others feel about this..  Doy you think I’m a professional canine nutritionist?

  • Johnandchristo

    melissa,

    My friend, again thank you for trying to explain to me my profession, lol, please understand no one is ever going to run a adult day care with out a degree in social work. maybe the other things I posted . A nurse Yes. And again I think your point was to say I don’t hold any degree right? So that means I should not bring up aimee and her lack of a degree? Thats a reach but ok, Also why are you going back to a social model day care? thats for mild or mid term clients, who said I was in that. what about medical models do they also have lay men running them, your very tenacious but also very misinformed. You cant Google a degree did you know that? By suggesting anyone can care for Alzheimer’s is a gross and thought less statement, I have never taken you for that kind of person, why not just admit your wrong, its not a sin. 

  • Mike P

    Come on people now smile on your brother, everybody get together and try to love one another right now… Every family has a spat and DFA is no different. Please no hard feelings between you guy’s.

  • Melissaandcrew

     BTW-in the future, lets try to keep the disagreements to 4 star or higher rated threads. No sense in directing so much traffic to the lower rated ones, lol

  • Melissaandcrew

     John-

    I am happy to let it go, however, you are wrong. NYS does NOT require any type of degrees for what you term social adult daycare. While a nurse or social worker is the “norm” its not a MUST. You have to account for trained staff to respond and care for the patients needs, but degrees are NOT required. Having just clicked off yet another NYS website regarding this matter, I also see that Alzheimer patients most certainly can be included in this-and being “qualified” does not equal a degree in all cases.

    Regardless, this has gotten way off track. Your original statement was that a degree  equates to expert and it does not. I am done however, as quite frankly its a huge waste of time.

  • BryanV21

    I was going to stay out of it, but I’m getting sick of skipping a handful of messages when looking through recent comments. 

    Can you guys give it a rest, already? I think you’ve all said what you need to say.

  • Johnandchristo

    Melissa,

    I agree with what your saying, but this is the line, You say Dr MIke is an expert. I agree he did write over 700 or so reviews. He is also a Dentist right? Does that mean if I need a root canal Mrs Sagman can preform it? I want to end this, I think its gone far enough. You are very wrong if you think that anyone without a degree is going to run a day care. You could own it sure,
    but if you did not have a social worker or gerontologist,
    or some related professional you would be out of luck
    because no one would ever pay or come. What you are referring to I believe is a social model adult day care, not a medical model. But still the people who run it  HAVE to hold degrees. In fact in a medical model we work under a MD, because the clients are very very sick, and can require an MD at any time for a variety of reasons. I have witnessed many near fatal, and a few (very sadly) fatal incidences ,mostly choking, a few heart attacks, Alzheimer’s is a terminal
    disease, so please don’t suggest that unqualified people are caring for this most needy population. You really don’t know what your talking about, maybe you should look into it a little more, because your comments are very misleading and inaccurate. Now please for the love of dogs lets move on.   

  • Pattyvaughn

    Thank you Shawna, you’re absolutely right.

    Thank you Nicole, while I don’t have a degree in animal nutrition, I was a veterinary technician, and I do care for several different species, successfully.  I strive to continually update my knowledge and challenge my understanding of the care and feeding of said animals.  I have been led to believe that certain animals’ bodies actually provide some of the vitamins they need to maintain health.  I do realize that situation is subject to change according to specific health problems.  By all means, educate me, especially if you find I actually stated something incorrectly.

  • Melissaandcrew

     Amen to that !! But get out of my head, its already crowded enough in there! : )

  • Melissaandcrew

     Oops., hit like by mistake instead of reply. LOL. I don’t NEED to find anything. The point remains that legally, anyone can set up shop in NYS for this occupation. A “professional” is anyone that is paid for their services-my garbage man is a professional refuse remover : ) Interesting enough, my mechanic who does not have a  college degree is even licensed in NY. Go figure!

    Being an expert in any one thing does not begin in all cases with a degree in hand. Many people are considered to be “experts” in their given field based upon experience garnered through work, research etc.

    I would consider Dr Mike S an expert in doing these reviews-and yet, magically he holds no degrees in the animal or animal related field. His exhaustive research and countless hours to this site make him so and I think many people here would agree that Mike’s work here would qualify him as an “expert” in breaking down and analyzing food/ingredients. And yes, I said exhaustive research, because I sure as heck can not imagine its not exhaustive.

  • Johnandchristo

    Melissa, 

    try and find one just one adult day care that does not 
    have a professional running it. you cant. Its clear that your flaming not thinking. This is my last comment on this subject. 

  • Johnandchristo

    HDM…..

    You don,t have to call me names. We are not in the school yard. If I make a typo feel free to take cheap shots. You and your childish comments don’t do any harm to me. But clearly the truth hurts you. It would seem you have adopted the behavior of a bully. 

  • Melissaandcrew

    I have to disagree. She is not being a bully, but responding to the comments directed at her. One does not get to post a nasty and not expect the target to respond. I have been on this board for a long time, well before many of the other posters who are now considered “regulars” While I have disagreements from time to time with other passionate posters such as Shawna and Toxed, our disagreements stem from mutual passion/opinions/beliefs about various topics. At the end of the day, whether I have been laughing or ticked off and angry, I can still log off and respect both of them for their viewpoints and usually in the way they are presented.

    Personal attacks such as the one earlier today serve nothing except to be cruel and ugly-and cruel and ugly only begets cruel and ugly. Sigh.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Addie – I completely agree with you. The whole conversation is childish. I generally try to avoid the drama on dfa however it’s getting very difficult to sit back and watch the same individuals attack anyone that doesn’t share their viewpoint. Aimee is a perfect example of someone that gets attacked over and over again. She says she doesn’t have an issue with menadione in dog food and is attacked and has her education mocked, she says she doesn’t have an issue with grains in dog food and is accused of working for a grain-inclusive dog food company, she posts several times about several different brands of dog food that she doesn’t feel the calcium levels are appropriate for large breed puppies and no one comments, then when she says she doesn’t feel the calcium levels in Brother’s are appropriate for large breed puppies she is very viciously attacked by multiple people and accused of having an agenda. I actually think it’s nice to have individuals post that may not agree with the majority of the “regulars,” it provides a different perspective – but apparently there are some people that think their perspective is the only perspective and those that dont agree should be chastised.

  • Melissaandcrew

     Toxed-

    The point is that a degree is not REQUIRED, nor are exams, registration etc. and  I could legally open up an adult daycare center next to my boarding kennel. Hey there is a thought! Daycare for Pups and Pops!!!(okay, thats tacky!)

  • Shawna

    I think what Pattyvaughn was suggesting is

    “And the vitamin isn’t even listed as a required dog food ingredient in the nutrient profiles established by the Association of American Feed Control Officials.3″  http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/menadione-in-dog-food/

    AAFCO Nutrient Profiles as of 2008 http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1659&aid=662

    Dogs can get k1 naturally from foods and k2 naturally from gut bacteria.  Is synthetic k3 (aka menadione) really necessary when the AAFCO doesn’t recognize vitamin K in any form as a “required” nutrient.

  • Addie

    And now in turn, you’re bullying John, and even going so far as insulting his spelling. I don’t come on here a lot anymore because I got tired of all the drama, mainly with the trolls obsessed with Richard. You’re all acting like children in a school yard right now. I’m not defending John in anyway because he did take on a condescending tone with aimee, but since when do two wrongs make a right. All of us are good people who love our dogs, so what good can come from squabbling with each other? 

  • Nicole

     Dogs need vitamin K. They need all nutrients. A 60lb dog needs roughly 770ug of vitamin K. And lest I also be attacked for not having credentials.. I studied canine nutrition for a couple of years.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Actually John, I did not miss the point – you made it crystal clear. I may not know what I’m talking about “hear” but I do know what I’m talking about here – you’re a bully and can’t give an apology when it’s due.

  • Toxed2loss

    Clarfication: NYS may not require anything… But that’s not at all the standard in the industry. A quick search of Job listings in NY for Adult Day Care Directors, shows the minimum requirement is a 4 year degree… Since my sister has been an Executive Director of Assisted Living Facilities, I was aware that the industry standard is a lot higher than the state licensure, in many states. So NYS requirements are pointless & misleading.

  • Melissaandcrew

     hmm..I just wanted to sat that NYS does not require licensing, registration or anything for adult day care centers. So here, being a director of one requires nada : ) Just thought I would answer the question you presented

  • Johnandchristo

    HDM…….

    I think you missed my point. In any case aimee can speak for her self. I commend you for sticking up for her if you feel that your right. I must read things differently than you. I don’t mind clarifying where, almost every post!!! I don’t remember even debating the k3 thing this time around. Thats is something I personally would never feed my dog. I also would never brag about my credentials, or use them to add
    any thing to my case. What more can I say? I guess its ok to disagree. Not everyone disagrees with me, that much I am sure of. In fact I know a lot people do agree with me. But as aimee has said before she is thick skinned and can handle it. Now we should end this. peace.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    LOL. Would you mind clarifying where Aimee presented herself as an expert (that is the question here)? Because I’m not seeing it anywhere. All I see is where she said she did research on the subject. All this rudeness is arising from you (falsely I might add) claiming Aimee presented herself as a expert and scientist. The polite thing to have done would have been for you to said “Aimee I disagree with you and this is why (present your research). But I’m assuming you don’t have enough research to counter her claims so you instead chose to attack her.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    The Dog Food Advisor community encourages “courteous critiques, polite debate and calm disagreement”.

    Unfortunately, recent remarks here compel me to remind those ignoring this rule to please adhere to Our Commenting Policy which states:

    “… we delete comments that exceed the boundaries of courteous behavior. This includes remarks that are rude, profane, mean-spirited, disrespectful, lack good manners or otherwise unrelated to the topic at hand.”

    Future comments that violate this policy will be removed.

  • Toxed2loss

    Sheal34,
    You can read Dr. Mike’s paper on menadione here,

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/menadione-in-dog-food/

    I only have one paper on it, from the National Institute of Health, and it does conclude,

    “Collectively, our data reveal that multiple, redundant death pathways are activated in response to menadione-induced oxidant stress in cells.”

    It also says that it uptakes glutathione. So, if your dog is immune compromised in anyway, it might be a good idea to avoid it. JMO

  • Johnandchristo

    HDM…….

    You can think what you like. I did not attack anyone.
    I gave her a taste of her own meds. I like to read everyone’s opinions. Sometimes even aimee’s. But most times aimee does not post as opinion. She posts as a scientist. She is not a scientist. I don’t brag about my credentials, my ego is in check. If I was a director of a adult day care, what do you think they might have been? Do you even have a clue? I also ran the senior nutrition program. Ya think I might have a backround in nutrition? I never not once claimed to be an expert in anything. I post my opinion as my opinions. Not end alls. I don’t think you know what your talking about hear. aimee can defend herself she is not a child. I never fed white potato to the clients in my program, because I am educated enough to know better. When I started working there tapioca was all ready on the menu, wonder why?

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Johnandchristo –

    I’m with Melissa on this. Your post to Aimee was downright rude, not to mention hypocritical. No where did Aimee state in her post that she was an “expert,” only that she’s done a lot of research. If I recall you frequently post, in a quite authoritative manner I might add, that potato is horrible and all dogs do better on tapioca. What are your credentials? Practically no one on this site has formal credentials, but many of us do a lot of research and are entitled to post our opinions based on the research we’ve done. Just because you don’t agree with Aimee doesn’t give you the right to attack her.

  • Johnandchristo

    Aimee…

    I’m glad you responded. My post was not so much about k3 as “writing styles” if you will. I stand by what I posted, not wanting to be mean or attack you. I don’t want to repeat what I wrote again. I knew you could handle it, because you dish out stuff like that yourself. 
    I do however stand by everything I posted, I did not ask you about your husband. I was speaking about you and you alone. His credentials are not yours. Having to review a book has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It also does not make up for having no degree. I am sorry if this sounds rude. I truly am. But it is salient to my point. Without a degree you are not an expert. I’m not saying your not smart or nice or anything else. I’m am simply stating the truth. People reading though your posts need to know that. Scrutiny is a two street.

  • aimee

    Johnandchristo,

    Umm… I never said I was an expert LOL But I do feel qualified to read and critically evaluate expert opinion: got a lot of training in that department!

    If it is credentials you want, hubby has a PhD in molecular biology/ biochemistry  and he says menadione isn’t a problem! He IS a bona fide scientist!! heehee

    Here’s a quote from Greg Aldrich PhD
    “Judicious use of nutritional vitamin K3 is clearly not toxic, so this notion that vitamin K3 as an ingredient in petfoods should not be used is unfounded and should be reversed.” 
    http://www.petfoodindustry.com/Columns/Ingredient_Issues/2372.html

    And here is a link to Dr Remillard. She has a DVM a PhD and is boarded ACVN  Are those enough “letters” for you : )

    http://petdiets.com/faqs/display_faq.asp?ID=837

    She writes “We have decided that there is no creditable problem known to date with using Menadione in pet foods.” 

    Then of course there are all the experts from the National Acadamy of Science, Nutritional Research Council who recommend that mendione be included in all dog foods. Lots-O’ Degrees among that bunch : )  

    Excuse me now… as I have a group of authors waiting for me to finish my review of their book before it goes to publication. I promised them I’d have it finished today. So I must go!

  • Johnandchristo

    Sorry Melissaandcrew..

    But i’m standing by my post, everyone is free to do what ever. But not to act as if they are an expert, when there not. I have wanted to say that for a long time. 

  • Melissaandcrew

    John-

     I can’t believe what I just read-

    Since when does one have to hold a degree in order to do exhaustive research on any topic that interests him or her? She did not say she PERFORMED exhaustive research…

    I found your personal attack so offensive, that I am going to flag it.

  • Johnandchristo

    Aimee…..

    You must be kidding. Did you just post “after exhaustive research” ?

    Shame on you. you don’t even have a degree in anything. How dare you misrepresent your self as an expert. Taking some classes does not give you license to dole out advise like a scientist.

    I don’t think you have the credentials to post in an authoritative experts way that you do. 

    You should earn a degree in something before you act like an expert. leave the exhaustive researching to the people qualified to really interpret the data.

    I was a Director of an Adult Day Care, I never hired anyone because they took some classes, no degree, no job. But that was the real world, not the internet.

    Aimee your opinions are always welcome, please don’t
    pretend to be something your not, state that its your opinion, and you hold no degree. Someone might do something wrong thinking you are for real. Do you want that? Earth to Aimee, your not a scientist stop pretending to be one.

  • aimee

    Hi Sheal34,

    After exhaustive research into menadione I’ve found that the belief that it is harmful at levels included in commercial foods can be filed into the all hype/no truth folder.

    This isn’t to say it can’t cause problems. Menadione, if injected, does result in problems and at levels that exceed 1000 times the amount included in pet foods can be harmful.(  It was banned in people because people were ingesting it in huge quantities for its anti cancer effect. )

    But this is true of many things. Route and dose is what makes the poison. For example you and I drink water on a daily basis. However if water is injected into your veins it can kill you! Vit D is necessary, but too much.. and it is toxic.

    Another interesting factoid is that menedione is a  Vit K precurser and it is changed in the body to active Vit K. So… what happens when a person eats natural Vit K from a plant source??? It is changed in the body into menadione. The metabolic reaction goes both ways! Ingest Vit K get menadione…. ingest menadione get Vit K : )

    Here is a link with more information and buried within it are additional links.

    http://www.traciehotchner.com/blog/533/why-is-menadione-in-weruva/

    Long story short I have no concerns with menadione included in a food. It is required by AAFCO in certain cat foods and it is recommended by the National Research Council to be included in dogs foods.

      

  • Pattyvaughn

    The way I understand it, menadione is a synthetic vitamin K which has been linked to health problems.  Dogs don’t need it.  It is not required in the food in any way, so the only reason to put it in there is to try to make owners think that they are adding more good things to the food when the opposite is really true.

  • Sheal34

    Looking into getting this for my dog since she has had bouts of diarrhea this week.  She’s on Wellness Super5mix and has been for awhile.  I don’t know if the food is too rich for her and she is just prone to stomach sensitivities.  I’m not sure if I should try her on this since it does have menadione in it.  That’s one of the ingredients that I’m not sure about.  Can you tell me more about menadione please? 

  • Thegoodsny

    Very Good Dog food its the BEST EVER and i am going to sick with it and my lab is 6rys and going on 7 very HAPPY with it

  • LoyalButDissatisfied

    I’ve been using NR Dry food forever because it agrees with my dogs’ (Mastiffs’) digestive system better than the rest. BUT, the price is killing me since I buy a lot of food. How can the company justify a 14.25% increase in price? (30 lbs. this week costs the same as 35 lbs. last month!) The last time the price went up $5/bag at the same time the size went from 40 to 35 lbs, representing a 25% increase (12% less food and 14.25% more cost.)  Who is watching them?

  • Melissaandcrew

     Hi Jeff-

    Whats wrong with adding canned food to their meal, at least on occasion? I add things to my dogs meals(not every meal, every day) and they love the variety. Not only that, but the rotation imo, is healthier for them.

  • Jeff

    Our 9 year old rescue wouldn’t eat any brand of dog food unless we added can food to the dry which was not ideal and would still sit in her bowl for hours.  We started feeding her the Grain Free Chicken and Sweet Potato and she  loves it!  She has been on it for over a year and has never had any problems with her stool.  She is now 13 and has more energy than she did at 9!  This food has changed her life!

  • Ttionloc30

    I’ve  been giving the Lamb and Rice to my 3yr old Golden Retriver/Lab mix (70lbs) for a year now and the Vet says he’s a healthy dog.  I wouldn’t say the poop is as “DRY” as some dog poop I’ve seen at the dog park, but nothing abnormal.  The only time I’ve ever seen his poop softer than normal is if I take him to the dog park and he gets too excited and probably goes before the food as time to harden in his system.  All the poop I pick up in my back yard is normal.  I think when you get to a normal to higher quality level of food, you just have to watch how your dog reacts to it.  Similar to humans.  None are the same but some are more prone to effects than others. The large bag is very affordable as well.  

  • Firewalker782

    Pitlover Our puppy had chronic diarrhea and we switched to Nature’s recipe lamb and rice and the diarrhea has stopped completely. Hope this helps some.

  • Pitlover

    I have read so many bad things about this food, giving dogs diarrhea and vomiting, I just bought my 8 week old puppy this food, before I read the reviews, and now I’m worried.

  • BryanV21

    News flash! Everything is getting more expensive. Gasoline, groceries, clothing… everything. And that’s not only true for consumers, but it’s true for companies like Nature’s Recipe. If they have to pay more for the ingredients to make their food, should they eat that extra money? Heck no! The price increases they feel pass to the consumer buying their product.

    It’s at that point that the company has to make sure they have a quality product. I don’t know about Nature’s Recipe, so I’m not going to go there. So ask yourself… is it worth paying more for it, or would you rather look at something else? I know it can be a pain to switch foods, but to act surprised and upset over price increases is silly. That’s the way it’s always been.

  • Gentl

    watch the size of the bags getting smaller while the price stays the same.  I started at a 40lb. bag about 3 yrs ago and paid $30.00.  They’ve then dropped to 35 and now 30 lb.’s.  All with the price staying the same as 40 lb.  And never do they have a coupon for this brand.  GREAT BRAND THOUGH!

  • Gentl

    While this brand is the “BEST,” the SIZE OF BAGS sold keep getting “SMALLER & SMALLER” but “NOT THE PRICE.”  The price stays the same.

  • Dduty

    Started my eight year old fussy shihtzu on natures recipe and now all worried about all the negative comments. She was on taste of the wild and it was a struggle to get her to eat. Seems to like natures recipe so far but just want the best for her. She hates fromms and blue Helllllllppppppppp.

  • Iteoam32

     Wow. I have always heard “natural flavors” weren’t as good as they sound but I didn’t realize this was the case in dog foods. If this is true, it should be brought to this website’s attention because this ingredient has NOT been flagged on quite a few reviews.

  • LabsRawesome

     oops! I totally missed that. Yes, “natural flavors” is just a nicer way of saying animal digest. To be honest,  I just skimmed through the ingredients list of one product really quick, looking for the words animal digest. That’s how I missed it. So I agree w/aimee, basically they did not remove the animal digest, just renamed it, to make it sound more “natural”. lol.  Nature’s Recipe is not a food that I would ever use or recommend.

  • aimee

    I see that the ingredients list  of some products includes “natural flavors”  which I always understood was ”animal digest”  but named in such a way as to be more accepting to the public.

    Natural flavoring in dog food is what the FDA calls “digests.” These digests are composed of “materials treated with heat, enzymes and/or acids to form concentrated natural flavorsRead more: What Is Natural Flavoring in Dog Food? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_6064182_natural-flavoring-dog-food_.html#ixzz25KynGpCr

     

  • LabsRawesome

     Hi Iteoam32, I was just on Nature’s Recipe site, and the animal digest is no longer listed. But poultry fat & menadione are still listed. I would say it’s still a 3 star food. Not horrible, but still not worth the price. You can get grain free kibble for the same price, if not cheaper. Like Earthborn & Hi Tek Naturals. These foods have much better ingredients, and are actually worth the price you pay.  :)

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Iteoam32,

    Our review of Nature’s Recipe is scheduled to be updated sometime within the next 30 days. So be sure to check back soon.

    Hope this helps.

  • Iteoam32

    I took a look at one of these bags of food the other day and did not see the ingredient ‘animal digest’. I’m wondering if they have updated their ingredients or if only some flavors of this brand contain this. I believe it also said chicken fat on the bag apposed to poultry, but I could be mistaking on this one.

  • aussiedawgs

    I have 7 dogs (I show dogs) tried this food for the price point. Out of my 7 dog 3 had diarrhea through the first bag. It wasn’t everyday, but 2-3 times a week. I then had 3-4 dogs with diarrhea through the 2nd bag. Same as above. Not everyday. I thought they were getting into something in the yard? 3rd bag same thing. 2-3 dogs with diarrhea off and on. Stopped feeding this food. I don’t know that the formula is consistent.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I believe Nature’s Recipe is made by Del Monte.

  • Barbara Nickasch

    Who is this made by????  Are alllll ingredients coming from the USA?

  • Merrillfay

    My yellow lab also is allergic to corn and as a result lost all her fur at 2 years. We changed her to Nature’s Recipe Venison and Rice. Her fur grew completely back in a month. she is now 5 years old, still eats this product and has all her fur. It works for her.

  • Mike P

    Natures Recipe was the very first brand we tried almost 2 yrs ago with our rescue Boxer.She had very little interest in this food,and would go a couple of days before eating it.Switched her to Merricks Before Grain Buffalo and she gobbled it up everytime.We are now on Brothers Complete and she loves it.

  • Jennifer

    Apologies.  My dog’s reaction was to the dry kibble Nature’s Recipe Healthy Skin and Coat Venison.  (15 month old pitbull mix with anaphylaxis)

  • Jennifer

    My dog is a pitbull mix – 15 months old.  He developed a very horrible allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to the sensitive skin (not the vegetarian) formulation of this dry dog food within a week of use which required high doses of Benadryl and combination of Prednisone to open his airways at an emergency vet.  He had some mild reactions in the days preceeding this that I thought was the result of a bee sting (which I couldn’t prove he was stung.. but had not put food and swelling/itching reaction together.)  I realized it was the food when this severe reaction occurred within 30 minutes of feeding him breakfast.  (In thinking back, he did his itching bits around the time of breakfast or dinner.)  In conclusion, I switched him to Blue Buffalo Grain Free Duck Wilderness variety and he’s been healthy ever sinse. 

  • Carol Cameron

    My dog is 1/2 black lab & 1/2 pit bull. She LOVES the lamb & rice recipe. You may have done this already but you can sign up on their website for coupons.

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  • minnie012161

    I have been feeding my nearly 5 year old bullmastiff nature’s recipe since he was 4 months old, he has food allergies, and i chose nature’s recipe because it does not have corn or cornmeal it it’s products, which by process of illumination i discovered that is what my dog is allergic to. he has done very well with it, sometimes i mix the dry with the can, he loves it!

  • LoveMyPit

    My dog has a ton of food allergies. Finding a dog food for him was almost torcherous. His vet gave me a little booklet with all the foods he can eat unforunatley most of them were canned foods, which is not ideal for me, since he is a pitbull. The only food that is affordable, and good enough to give to him in my opinion is Nature’s Recipe line of dog food he can eat 3 or 4 of their dry food, and this was pretty much the only suggestion they could give me at numerous pet stores. I was wondering if anyone knows if the Adult Lamb Meal And Rice Recipe is dog tested. I can’t find anything about it on the bag so I’m assuming its not.

  • LabsRawesome

     Hi N.O. While Nature’s recipe is definitely a step up from Moist and meaty. It still has some pretty bad ingredients. The 2 that concern me the most are Animal digest, and Menadione sodium bisulfite.  You can read about them here.The Menadione is at the bottom of the page, please click on “more details” http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients 

  • N.O.

    I just switched my 12-year-old Border Collie mix to Nature’s Recipe Senior formula, after noticing allergic reactions to her previous food (Purina Moist n’ Meaty – covered in ‘controversial ingredients’. She took to it very well and really seems to be benefiting from the healthier food mixture. As for the few controversial ingredients, I may consider switching her to something else if she displays a poor reaction, but I just took her in for her check-up, and her vet was shocked at how active and healthy she is for a senior dog. It’s so hard to find a food that older dogs like that will also give them the nutrition that they need. *Also, I was worried the hard foor would be too rough on her old teeth, SHE LOVES IT. Sometimes I’ll mix a little Vita-gravy in to soften it up, but she likes it dry just fine.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Smithac3,

    Nature’s Rceipe Farm Stand Select is already on my To Do list. However, due to my current backlog of products for review, it could be a while longer before I get to it.

    Thanks for the reminder.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    There’s also Avoderm Revolving Menu in duck or turkey, and Brothers Complete Allergy that is turkey.

  • Smithac3

    Can you rate the new Nature’s Recipe Farm Stand Select Turkey and Veggies? Looks good, not grain free, but my dog is allergic to chicken. Thanks.

  • Elizabeth

    I changed my bulldog from this to Simply Nourish for the same price due to concerns about the menadione. Thanks for keeping us informed, Mike. You are doing a great job.

  • TJ

    Roberta,
    My Yorkie mix (13yrs old) was just recently diagnosed with CHF. I am feeding her Purina Veterinary Diets NF Kidney Function Canine Formula Dry. You can only get this from your veterinarian. It’s sodium content is VERY low (I think .5 or .05 per serving). I got the largest bag they sell (I think it was an 18lb bag). She gets 1/2 cup twice a day. This large bag will last 60 days for us, and I figure the price (I think it was about $50) was worth it if it (along with the meds she is on) will help her to live a little longer life! As for treats…I don’t buy the expensive low sodium treats. My pup enjoys fresh uncooked carrots, broccoli, green beans, apples and pears. So it’s quite easy for her to have a healthy, no sodium, treat rather inexpensively!
    Hope this helps! :-)

  • Roberta_heuermann

    I cannot find sodium content on dogfood. What is your recommendation for a lower sodium dogfood that is reasonable priced. My dog has new diagnosis CHF.

  • Shades

    My dog was on this for awhile but had very inconsistent stool. From loose to slightly normal. Never great. He’s not on it anymore….

  • C. B.

    My dogs have done really well on this food. (Nature’s recipe, large breed.) I tried to switch my dogs to innova and they developed runny stools.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/annmariekravitz Ann Charlton Kravitz

    Thanks so much for your input Cableguy.  I started my first dog on this food and he loved it but when I adopted two more I switched to a less expensive food, but I’m going back since I think it’s a really good food that dogs love.  :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/annmariekravitz Ann Charlton Kravitz

    Thanks Mike for this fabulous website so we can keep all our precious dogs safe.  :)

  • cableguy55

    I have recently switched my schnoodle to this food from purina little bites. WOW WHAT A CHANGE! She is actually eating her food now and seems to be handling the food well. She has more energy and seems to be happier. Thanks to this website I am staying away from most big brand name dog food. 

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Annie,

    Farmstand Select is on my To Do list. However, due to my current backlog of products for review, it could be a while longer before I get to it.

    Thanks for the reminder.

  • Annie

    Hi, I don’t see Nature’s Recipe Farmstand Select version which claims to be all natural, no by-products and the first ingredient on the label is turkey, not turkey meal.  Is there a rating on this version of Nature’s Recipe?  I didn’t see it above.  Thanks.

  • sandy

    I occasionally order the Hi-Protein (green bag) for the fosters.  It’s just 27%.  It’s my way of transitioning them into grain free…

  • sandy

    Natures Select has 50 lb bags for around $56 (on the grain food) and at least its the gluten free grains.  They have some formulas with brown rice and millet.  And then some with oatmeal, barley…

  • Bob K

    Tony_A – Well Well surprise surprise.  I am glad you made it to the vet as we wrote about on 12/25.  You will probably need to have the dog retested after the 5 day treatment.  Stop the Acorns and grass too.   All too often people try all sorts of dog foods, pumpkin and yogurt without a trip to the vet which is a huge mistake. 

    Fecal tests are fairly inexpensive and the parasites and protozoas can lead to a whole host of problems if not treated.    Not all vets include testing for Giradia, Crypto and Coccidia which is a huge mistake and sometimes just test for worms.  Unfortunately not all Fecal tests are 100% accurate due to parasite lifecycles and labratory procedures. 

  • Mike P

    Tony…Natures Recipe isn’t that great a food for the money.We used to feed it but the price was the same as some top grain free kibbles.My dog did good on it but we went for a less red flag food for the same amount of money.I guess if your dog does good on it then why change if your comfortable with it.

  • Marie

    Nature’s Recipe is made by Del Monte, actually. They make Kibbles N Bits and Meow Mix. Ugh.

  • Tony_A

    Well I just returned from the vet and it turns out my dog has coccidia.  They checked some stool samples and the vet said he has had it since he was a puppy.  They gave me some meds for the next 5 days.  Hopefully that cures him.  I’ll continue to feed him natures recipe.  Something I thought was a bit odd (if true), one of the techs at the clinic told me that Natures Recipe is made by Purina.  I find that odd since everyone is always knocking Purina for being a bad quality dog food. 

  • melissa

    Tony A-

    Acorns??? Aren’t acorns toxic to dogs??? I can understand now why he has loose stool issues and other problems that may appear to be the food.

  • LabsRawesome
  • Bob K

    Tony A – There are many 4 star foods you can get for that price,  Also look for larger bags 30lbs. or larger as the price per pound is usually less and I suspect your dog eats about a bag a month.  You can use google for specifics about using yogurt or pumpkin for dogs.   
     A few affordable dog foods may include: Diamond Natural,  Nutro
    Max, Eagle Pack, Pro Pac, Professional, Premium
    edge to name a few less expensive brands.  Menards sells both Diamond
    Natural and Nutro Max in several formulas in your price range and perhaps less if you get 30 or 40lb bags.  Farm and Fleet usually has a decent selection of dog foods.   Kirklands, Natures Domain and Pelican bay are sold at Costco but you’ll need a membership.   What foods are available near you?  Using this website as a guide and visiting a few stores to find out what is available would be my recommendation. 

     Don’t be afraid to switch to another food if its not working out, but if you still have issues after trying 3 different foods that you slowly transitioned to for about 2 weeks then visit the vet again.  Perhaps your dog has a sensative stomach and may need a more expensive food with a different formula. There are also grain free foods, single protein foods, limited ingredient foods.  There are also dog foods with higher calorie count that often have more
    meat and fat content if your dog is heavily exercised. 

    Remember to
    transition slowly to a new food.   I suggest feeding the dog twice a day an appropriate amount.  Do not over feed your dog, read the bad or dog food website for the amount.  If your dog is loosing weight or gaining weight adjust accordingly.

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  • Tony A

    Bob, Thanks for the advise about the yogurt. I tried it and he loved it. Do you recommend I try a certain other dog food. I’m paying $17 for a 15 lb bag of natures recipe. That’s the price range that I would like to stay in.

  • Bob K

    Tony_A – Do not allow your dog to eat grass and acorns, when you say you have had your dog tested for parasites, did you specifically ask about giardia and coccidia, many vets charge extra and is not included in a normal parasite test.  You have nothing to loose by slowing transitioning to another food, try it, if after three different foods if your dog still has loose poopies, time to chat with the vet again.  Just as with people your output may vary but diarrhea and constant loose poopies are not normal.   You can also add a little yogurt or pumpkin to your dogs food.   You can google for those two foods for dogs. 

  • Tony_A

    Bob,Thanks for the response. I noticed that sometimes if he doesn’t go for a walk right after eating he normally doesn’t have the loose stools.  for example in the mornings he is ok.  I haven’t had him checked for parasites. He is current on all his shots. He doesn’t drink lake, river, or swamp water.  The dog sleeps in his crate inside our home.  The coat is ok, sheds a lot.  He does eat grass and the occassional acorns.   

  • Mike P

    Hi Tony…I have had my dog for over a year now. She was a rescue and about 3 years of age at adoption.I started her on Natures Recipe after she was sent home with Pedigree.She hated this food and I found this site and switched to grain free foods.I know 4 and 5 star foods cost more but Natures Recipe cost 50 bucks if I remember correctly.I rotate many different brands of grain free.A affordable 5 star grain free is Merricks Before Grain at about 45 bucks or so.I was going to try TOTW but Richard scared me off that one.In a perfect world I would use Brothers but can’t afford it as a every day food. I go for the 50 dollar foods and with the real foods I add it last a long time for my 70 lb boxer.I plan on ordering Brothers after the next bag we finish as I want to get her off potato for awhile.Good luck Tony as you can find a really good food for what you pay for Natures Recipe.

  • John

    Hi Melissa,

    Did he ever OMG! He was too thin, he had yellow(y) runny stools, dry skin, a thin coat. I cant tell how much he has improved. He is calmer a lot calmer now. I did not realize how uncomfortable he was. 2 or3 times while walking him I was asked, is he a lab mix? Now he is the picture of health. My only concern is the white potato in the blue. I was thinking of feeding him brothers complete. No potato.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey John, Merry Christmas to you and your family as well.

  • John

    Hi labs…..

    Since I see your out there, I’d like to wish you and your family a merry Christmas. 

  • melissa

    John-

    Christo had bumps too? I think I will try the Wilderness for one rescue I have here with bumps on her stomach. She has been on and off antibiotics for several months now. Since her eyes get runny also(like an allergy issue)I am thinking its environmental, but its worth a shot. Not to mention we have tried all kinds of foods with no resolution. Argh!

  • melissa

    Tony A-

    If this has been a long term issue, and the dog is negative for coccidia and giardia, its time to switch foods. Please know that Natures Recipe is more expensive then some other 3-5 star brands of food. Since you do not have a problem with grains, I have recently tried a new food-4 star, $28.50 for a 35lb bag-Hi Tek naturals. Their grain free version is $44.50 for a 30lb bag-as of yet unrated by DFA. Both have a chicken and lamb version, but I feed the chicken for active dogs and either in the GF version. I also add in a bit of a 5 star canned topper, and they are good to go. The company makes its own food, no recalls to date, and all USA ingredients except the lamb which is from New Zealand.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Tony, Nature’s recipe is expensive, for the bad quality that you are getting. For the same  price, you can get a higher quality food like Taste of the Wild, Diamond Naturals,Premium edge. Kirkland’s(4*) at Costco is like $28 for a 40lb bag. Their are many 4* foods at reasonable prices. TOTW is a 5*. Tractor Supply has 4health, which is a 4*.

  • John

    Hey Tony’
    I just read the ingredients list of your dogs food. Its not just the grain, this food has menadione, or k3, plus animal digest. these are very toxic inferior, ingredients. I know 5* food costs a lot more, but you will save at the vet. 

  • John

    Hi Tony,

    Happy holidays. My 9 month lab had same problem (plus bumps) I put him on Blue wilderness, it is grain free. All his problems have gone away. He looks and I think he feels much better.

  • Bob K

    Tony – What happens if you do not walk him?  How did he do on the Nature’s Receipe Puppy food that is lamb and rice based?   Have you tried any other foods?  There are many affordable 3 and 4 star dog foods that are reviewed on this website.  A few may include: Diamond Natural,  Nutro Max, Kirklands at Costco, Eagle Pack, Pro Pac, Professional, Premium edge to name a few less expensive brands.  Menards sells both Diamond Natural and Nutro Max.  What foods are available near you?  Remember to transition slowly to a new food.

     Have you had the dog checked out for parasites including Giardia and Coccidia?  Is your dog on a monthly Parasite and Heartworm preventative?  Does your dog drink lake, river or swamp water?  Where does your dog sleep?  How is his coat? Does your dog eat grass?  Any insecticides, or fertilizers in use near you? 

  • Tony_A

    Looking for some advise.  I’ve been feeding my 1 year old lab Nature’s Recipe Lamb Meal & Rice for a couple of months.  Before he turned 1, he was eating Nature’s Recipe Puppy food.  My problem is that his stools get loose or runny, especially if I walk him after he eats.  It’s almost as if the food goes right through him.  He’s always had the problems, even when he was eating Nature’s Recipe puppy food.  Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions about another dog food I can try? I do have a limited budget so please don’t recommend the 4 and 5 star brands. 

  • Delenn

    I just want to singe the praises of the Easy to Digest food. We began using Nature’s Recipe Easy to Digest Chicken and Barley after our puppy reached the age for adult food. She had parvo before we adopted her, so she has a somewhat sensitive stomach. It worked well. We also have two dachshunds. After some problems with the puppy wanting their food, we decided to put everybody on the same food. One of the dachshunds is a seizure dog (mini dachshund) who is 11 who tends to seize more on cheaper foods with more fillers. She’s also developed clusters of seizures around monthly doses of heartworm preventatives, so we’re very careful with her food. After a year or so on BilJac senior that we decided to try because it’s so easy to chew (she loses a few teeth per year at her dental cleanings), she had gained weight, her eyes were clouding, her belly was protruding, and she had lost interest in a lot of things. We decided to see how she would do on the Nature’s Recipe. I thought the difficulty eating it might help take some weight off of her, and it has. After six months on the Nature’s Recipe, she’s lost two pounds, her eyes are brighter, the thickness of the clouding in her eyes seems to have actually gotten better (??), she’s more responsive than she has been in years, and she’s bouncing around. Things I had assumed were normal aging have drastically improved, and she’s gone without a seizure for the last six months. Things we took for granted were part of her existence have also improved (she was a runt and has always seemed empty headed but really lovable). Her hearing, for example. The vet can’t believe it. We’ve tried virtually every higher quality food at Petsmart and some we had to order online. We even tried Natural Balance to see if the alternative proteins would improve her lot in life. No go. We’re really happy with the Nature’s Recipe Easy to Digest.

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  • Diane

    Oh, I’ve also increased H2O intake. I put down another bowl of water and they all get “kibble soup”. Only one of the dogs balks at it. Poor thing, she’ll stare at the food, and then at me, as if to say, “REALLY?” But she eats it. Of course, the piddle-in-the-house rate has increased. When we are home, we try to have them out about every 2 hrs or as requested. I don’t like making them wait for a long time; if I can’t hold it, how can I expect them to!!!

  • Diane

    Dear Shawna, Shamless and Melissa,
    Thank you so much for all the information…WOW! You’ve given me a lot to read and review. I want the best for my kids, so I will pour through this and see what looks like a good course for them.
    My next challenge is getting repeat urine samples from all the stinkers. My female corgi who had the stones…well, she is too smart for her own good. She knows when we want to get a “sample”, and will dither and eat grass while refusing to pee. Occassionally she will look toward the house to see if we are lingering in the doorway. I can see her thinking, “yup, still there. I ain’t gonna go”. The look she gives me is purely stubborn and aloof. She’s just lucky I love her as much as I do!! :) I’ll get even, though. She’ll be going to the vet where they can watch her and keep her penned until she gives in. My only days to do that is when the vet is closed. :(

  • Shawna

    Melissa,

    You wrote “However, alkaline urine or not, stuvites do not magically form w/out the “required” infections to be present-Staph is the most common in these cases.”

    I found some research papers (by accident – looking for research on carbs not crystals) that agree with Wysong, Becker and my “laymans” concept about grains/carbs causing struvite crystals.

    I posted the first two on another thread that was discussing carbs but wasn’t sure if you’d see that thread?

    “CONCLUSIONS AND CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Starch and fiber in diets potentially stimulate formation of struvite crystals. Hence, reducing dietary carbohydrate is desirable to prevent struvite urolith formation. In addition, a net loss of body calcium, phosphorus, and magnesium during feeding of the fiber diet suggests that dietary inclusion of insoluble fiber could increase macromineral requirements of cats.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14974568

    “CONCLUSIONS AND CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Our results indicate that compared with dietary supplementation with NH4Cl, the high-protein diet is preferable as a urine acidifier for the prevention of struvite crystal formation in clinically normal cats.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12926602

    Methionine is an amino acid in meat (for any reading that aren’t familiar) “Feeding dry foods supplemented with urine acidifier (D,L-methionine (Met) or ammonium chloride) decreased urinary pH and struvite activity product in clinically normal cats. As a result, the number of struvite crystals in urine was greatly reduced. Supplementation with 3% Met but not 1% Met caused decrease in the urinary concentration of sediment, which resulted from a reduction in the HCl-soluble fraction. The concentration of HCl-insoluble sediment was not affected by supplementation with the urine acidifier.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11307939

  • Shawna

    Melissa,

    Thanks for the clarification about condescending. Although I am tenacious I always try to keep things civil and very much appreciate it when others do the same. Thank you!!

    You wrote — “Obviously I disagree that kibble is a cause of UTI’s, whether high carb or not”

    What I was initially saying is that high carb diets (raw or kibble — I know a lot of raw feeders that add WAY too much grain) cause alkaline urine which causes “crystals” not UTI’s. And yes, there are bacteria that thrive in alkaline environments and the diet could then increase the risk of bacteria — if they are present, if the animal doesn’t drink enough to evacuate the urinary tract often etc. From memory — 90% of most UTI’s are caused by e-coli not staph.

    Here is my tenacity shining through..

    (Granted dogs are not obligate carnivores) “There is much proof that feeding an obligate carnivore primarily a grain-based dry diet can contribute more to a urinary stone problem than any other single factor.” http://www.acreaturecomfort.com/cathealth.htm

    ‘Crystals can be seen in the urine of clinically healthy animals or in animals with no evidence of urinary disease (such as obstruction and/or urolithiasis). However, some crystals can be pathologically relevant in certain circumstances (see example of ammonium biurate below). Note that crystals may not form in all urines supersaturated with these compounds…. In vivo factors include: diet” http://ahdc.vet.cornell.edu/clinpath/modules/ua-rout/crystsed.htm

    “It is also noted that many dogs can have struvites present in the urine and high urinary pH with no ill effects, so if a routine urinalysis shows a pH of 8.0 and a few struvite crystals, but your dog has no symptoms of any kind, there is no need to be concerned….

    Some people have had success keeping the urine acidic, which helps prevent these crystals from forming, by feeding acidic foods and avoiding alkaline foods.” http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/bladder-stones-crystals/

    “How to Feed Your Pet to Prevent Struvite Stones
    Avoid foods with grains rather than protein. Foods made with grains (corn/wheat/rice etc.) create alkaline urine in dogs and cats that makes them susceptible to struvite stones.” http://www.dailypuppy.com/articles/what-foods-to-avoid-for-pets-with-struvite-crystals-in-their-urine/08ff2e12-c4c7-8e00-bfc3-cb3a88054b71

    Dogs drink more then cats “Most veterinary researchers agree that diet plays the foremost role in the creation and in the treatment and prevention of this disease syndrome. Dry diets are the major culprits in promoting FLUTD in cats as well as feeding patterns.” http://maxshouse.com/feline_urological_syndrome_fus.htm

  • melissa

    Shawna-

    “Sterile” or “Metabolic” stuvites are exceedingly rare(I believe perhaps 1-2 percent of cases are sterile/metabolic struvites) and they require no treatment, and when they occur, its typically in cat urine-not dogs-though if I recall, they were found in a related colony of englsh cockers at one point suggesting a genetic link. This means 98-99 percent are infection related. A urine C& S can come up negative due to several reasons 1) bacteria that will not grow in the medium 2) Tissue dwelling infection rather than urine living( mycoplasma/ureaplasma comes to mind at this time) While Staphylococcus is naturally occuring on dog skin, I have no recollection of it being “natural” in dog urine, or Proteus spp(both urease producing bacteria) Obviously I disagree that kibble is a cause of UTI’s, whether high carb or not-I think it stands to reason that most people feed higher carb kibbles-the owners here imo, that feed low carb or raw are the exception to the rule, not the rule. Given this, if the cheap carb laden foods were the causation, it would stand to reason that dogs would have raging UTI’s in a much higher frequency. This is not to discount that it could occur or have causation in a particular animal.

    Condenscending? Not at all-however the written word can be interpreted in various ways by various people and without a way to express tone and infliction, its impossible to know.

    Regardless, we will have to agree to disagree as neither of us will blink on causation and beliefs, lol.

  • Shawna

    Your becoming a bit condescending Melissa. I clearly agreed with you that “kibble” is not the cause.

    “Kibble, being a dehydrating food, adds to the problem but its the high carb content that is the cause not the kibble in and of itself.”

  • Shawna

    PS — please look up “sterile” struvite crystals — crystals that are known present WITHOUT the presense of bacteria. So yes, they do “magically” appear.

  • Shawna

    Melissa,

    I think was are apparently both not reading (or comprehending) what the other is writing. :) Two strong willed and tenasious women we are :) .. Hee hee hee — at least, I know I am…

    You wrote “However, alkaline urine or not, stuvites do not magically form w/out the “required” infections to be present-Staph is the most common in these cases.”

    Staph (two types) can be a “natural” inhabitant of the urethra in humans — http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html. I imagine the same is true for dogs — they know that salmonella is a common inhabitant of the digestive tract in dogs as well. If these bacteria are already present there is a reason they take hold enough to cause infection.

    In the colon, good bacteria create an acid environment by producing lactic and butyric acid which keep bad bacteria (already present) from taking a foot hold. Is it really such a far stretch to think that the alkaline environment caused by diet in the urinary tract would allow bad bacteria normally there to get a food hold?

    And yes, you did state that “foods” can affect the ph. I however am suggesting via veterinary links that grains and carbohydrates, more specifically, create an alkaline urine — not just foods in general.

  • melissa

    LOl.. Ah, Shawna, I already clearly stated that foods can affect the PH of urine-are you not reading what I am writing? However, each dog is different and what may cause alkaline urine in one, will not in another. However, alkaline urine or not, stuvites do not magically form w/out the “required” infections to be present-Staph is the most common in these cases. The staph thriving off the the urea in the urine is what cause the MAP to form. This is why its so important for the infection to be diagnosed and treated in a timely manner-before the crystals have time to form the MAP stones.

    I always like reading varying opinions on things, however, the fact remains that not all dogs eating kibble get struvites, and not all dogs eating raw do not. Kibble is not the cause, the alkaline urine festering with staph is. For the record, as part of our dogs yearly wellness exams, we get blood work and UA’s done-all little kibble eaters and not a single dog with alkaline urine : ) Certain dogs and humans are more prone to urinary tract infections, and no matter what the owner does, it may cause issue. My bigger concern here is not that one dog developed stones, but rather that 4 of 8 had to be treated for urinary tract infections. That tells me that something the dogs are eating is causing the urine to turn to the alkaline side-

    I would switch foods asap and have the urine ph’s tested to see if it was one particular kibble, or not.

  • Shawna

    That’s awesome Mike!!! Can’t wait!!!!!

  • Shawna

    Sorry, I missed this — “If it(kibble) were the cause, then stuvite stones would be the rule and not the exception.”

    Kibble, being a dehydrating food, adds to the problem but its the high carb content that is the cause not the kibble in and of itself.

    The kibble being fed is only 24% protein as it is but Diane states she is cutting the diet with “vegetarian” making it even lower in protein and higher in carbs. Diane also states that “all” the dogs have been diagnosed with infections (guessing then they have all been medicated as well)..

    I’m just trying to present “another” opinion held by vets as to why this might be happening. Seems highly possible with the lower protein kibble mixed with the vegetarian food.. JMOT

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Shawna and Melissa… Thanks for posting information about the possible link between grains (and veggies) and the creation of certain crystalline urinary stones. This could be something to discuss in more detail in our soon to be launched topic-based forums. By the way, now’s a good time to be thinking about the very best way to structure those discussions. Suggestions always appreciated.

  • Shawna

    This is a 3rd vet (there were 2 in the first post-2nd is a video) stating the same concept of grains alkalanizing the urine and causing crystals which then lead to stones.

    “More and more dogs (and cats) are being diagnosed with bladder or kidney stones. What many of us do not yet understand is that diets high in grains and vegetables (YES, vegetables!) produce alkaline urine, which allows certain stones to form. Magnesium reacts with alkaline urine to cause crystals to be formed.

    Be Warned!
    Most “Prescription/dissolution/preventative” veterinary clinic diets take out the magnesium to “prevent” this reaction, even though magnesium is essential, especially for the nervous system. Reducing magnesium may cause a host of other negative health issues.

    It is far more important and beneficial to prevent alkaline urine by feeding a high protein/grain-free/low carbohydrate (very little to NO veggies) diet in order to minimize the risk of crystals.” http://www.thewholedog.org/artbladderstones.html

  • Shawna

    Foods CAN affect the PH of the urine just as can bacteria..

    This is from a human source of info..

    “A diet high in fruits and vegetables will increase urine pH and meat and cranberries will lower pH.

    According to “Krause’s Food, Nutrition, and Diet Therapy”, most fruits and vegetables cause alkaline urine, with the exception of prunes, plums and cranberries. Fruits and vegetables that cause alkaline urine include beets, beet greens, Swiss chard, dandelion greens, kale, mustard greens, spinach, turnip greens, broccoli, carrots, lettuce, potatoes, cauliflower, celery, eggplant, squash, turnips, mushrooms, tomatoes, tomato juice, zucchini, apples, bananas, grapefruit, oranges, pineapple, raisins, nectarines, blackberries, apple juice, apricots, pears, strawberries, watermelon and dates.” http://www.livestrong.com/article/119381-alkaline-foods-list/

    Again, this is in people.. Many vets and nutritionists feel that grains and high carbohydrate foods do the same in our pets.

  • Shawna

    The “medicine” that is Science Diet foods for crystals/stones is DL-Methionine. DL- Methionine is acidifying. Methionine is an amino acid found naturally in protein.

    Grains actually create an alkaline urine..

    Kibbles, as I believe you mentioned, are dehydrating and in such can prevent the frequency of urination allowing the bacteria (which is a natural part of the urinary tract) to over-populate and take hold. The bacteria further alkalanize the urine. It is not uncommon (when caught early enough) to have “sterile” crystals (no bacteria present).

  • melissa

    Anything that causes alkaline urine can open the door for infection and formation. For the staph infection to take hold, the urine ph has typically shifted to the alkaline side rather than ‘neutral” to slightly acidic. While I think its admirable that wysong is trying to connect the dots from kibble to infection, its just not reality, imo. If it(kibble) were the cause, then stuvite stones would be the rule and not the exception. Since each dog is different, every food eaten is going to affect the dog in its own unique way.

    One food may produce acidic urine, another may produce neutral/base or alkaline. I would suggest that owners with dogs that have had stones get the simple urine dipsticks to check the ph on a regular basis to be sure the urine has not shifted to alkaline. If it does, its time to go to the vet. If I recall, stones can form and be seen on xray in a very short time frame-like 2-5 weeks.

  • Shawna

    Struvite crystals — another point of view from two vets (an alkaline urine and dehydrated diet set the stage for infections — bacteria don’t survive as well in an acidic environment).

    “Struvite Crystals, FLUTD, Canine Struvite Urolithiasis, Bladder Stones – understanding the causes…

    There are two primary causes for this disparity in disease incidence:

    •Domestic animals are fed an exclusive diet of nutrient depleted, highly processed pet foods. This is in stark contrast to the natural, meat-based, raw diet replete with vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and probiotics consumed by wild canines and felines. This, plus overfeeding, creates an unhealthy physiological environment in which disease can take root.

    •Conventional pet foods are unnatural in that they are denatured by heat, imbalanced in minerals, and laden with starches and carbohydrates (in far greater quantities than would ever be consumed in the wild). This yields a more alkaline urine, which causes the precipitation and the development of struvite crystals, bladder stones and urolithiasis disease.” http://www.wysong.net/bladder-stones-struvite/

    Video by Dr Karen Becker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAy_KKRzJjo

  • melissa

    Diane-

    I am heading for bed as its either late or early here, lol, but wanted to answer your questions to the best of my memory(again, late/early!)

    If your dog had struvite stones, then she/he most likely was infected with a staph bacterial infection. The staph feeds on the urea in the urine producing waste ‘by products” if you will. When these bind together, you get crystals, when the crystals bind together, they form stones. Struvite crystals are composed of magnesium ammonium phosphate, or M.A.P. On the bright side, unlike Calcium oxlates, these can be dissolved by controlling the diet. If memory is serving me, low protein foods help in this goal, however, as along as the infection is present, it will do nothing for the stones-so the key is keeping the infection away. SInce the stones are not caused by high protein, but rather infection, I fail to see how a long term limited protein diet would help.And, if the stones have been surgically removed, then there are no stones to dissolve at this time.

    It could potentially be that something the dogs are eating are changing the urine ph and allowing the infections to take seat and flourish-One of the most important things with struvite stones and crystals is to promote increased water intake-often adding a bit of broth to the food or water will stimulate the dog to drink more. Also- the dog(s) need to be given plenty of outside potty time as holding their urine for excessive periods of time can help promote infection. Have to go get some sleep, but google struvite stones and crystals and I am sure you can get plenty of information.

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    Oooops….. local source for clean meat, organs and bones – at this link –
    http://www.eatwild.com/products/index.html
    Eatwild’s State-by-State Directory of Farms

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    Diane – Have you ever considered feeding raw? Review some of the 5* commercial raw foods:
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/raw/5-star/
    or… get a complete and balanced raw dog food recipe and make your own raw dog food. There are many raw meat co-ops. You can also see if you have a local source for clean meat, organs and bones – at ths link:
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/raw/5-star/

  • Diane

    Thanks, Shameless. Those were interesting articles. Makes me wonder what animals are actually going into the food if they were euthanized with phenobarbitol; I live in the midwest, and I know from some of the farmers here that they don’t use that on cows, pigs, etc. (It’s a lot more unpleasant). I’m going to try switching to Blue Buffalo, even though it’s terribly expensive, and see what happens. My dogs are my babies, and I want them to be healthy!

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    FDA – Dog Food Samples Used in CVM Pentobarbital Surveys and Analytical Results
    http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/CVM/CVMFOIAElectronicReadingRoom/ucm129134.htm
    There appear to be associations between rendered or hydrolyzed ingredients and the presence of pentobarbital in dog food. The ingredients Meat and Bone Meal (MBM), Beef and Bone Meal (BBM), Animal Fat (AF), and Animal Digest (AD) are rendered or hydrolyzed from animal sources that could include euthanized animals.#

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    Diane – Might do some research on Animal Digest, which is an ingredient in many Nature’s Recipe products:
    http://www.healthypetnetwork.org/NewsLetter_archive/June-2011/article2.htm

  • Diane

    I have been feeding my dogs (I currently have 8 in the house) Nature’s receipe venision for about 4 years or so, as some of my corgis have allergies. When the company reduced the weight of the product but kept the same price, I started cutting it with the vegetarian to help with costs (over a year ago). The dogs seem to like it and eat it up. Recently, however, I have started having problems with the dogs getting urinary tract infections. All the dogs have the type of UTIs that cause struuvite stones (four of them so far). One of my dogs had to have surgery and have 32 stones removed; not a cheap surgery!!! The vet did some research and said to try feeding them food lower in protein, switch to the lamb and rice, and increase H2o intake. Could the Nature’s Receipe be causing the UTIs? Thanks!

  • Brett

    It’s interesting to note that the Lamb and Rice formula does not contain yeast or animal digest (it instead has lamb digest, a named ingredient).

    With that in mind, I think that specific formula deserves special mention.

    Tomato Pomace being labeled a controversial ingredient is getting a little pedantic and trivial IMO. Synthetic Vit-K is a concern however. I really wish they would move away from that just to be safe.

    Overall, I think Del Monte has put together a slam dunk product, for the money. Sure, there are plenty of better dog foods out there, but this is a ‘gateway’ food, leading into better options. It’s also leagues better than other food within the same price bracket, which should count for something.

  • Barbara

    my dog can only eat grain free food has severe allergies
    to weats and grains so i only . buy nature recipe grain free
    dry dog food. but the last two times

    i purchased the food there was, no
    $5.00 dollar coupon in the bag very disapointed. i
    think this is false advertisment on natures recipe part.

  • Anne

    A friend of mine has a german shepard mix that was having siezures. She switched to a grain free food, Natural Balance Duck and Potato dry and no more seizures. Her dog also has more energy now.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Derek… Unfortunately, I’m not aware of any specific ingredient used to make this food that would prevent seizures. In any case, why change if you’re having success with this product.

  • Derek

    I have a Boston Terrier that was having seizures well over a year ago. We had her on Beneful, Rachel Ray, Iam, etc… A friend of ours recommended using Nature’s Recipe Terrier Breed to help prevent the seizures. So far so good. Is this happenstance or is there some truth behind Nature’s Recipe preventing seizures? If so, what is it in the food that prevents the episodes?

  • Ed

    I started giving my Jack-Rat pup the Terrier Breed Specific (real chicken & barley). I was very wary after reading the comments, but so far so good. It does make him a little gassy, although it may be from the Ultramix wet food I give him. No diarrhea. I haven’t seen any vomiting (usually if something makes him vomit, it happens about an hour after eating). I will still be careful, and will think before I have to buy another bag.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Rachel… We rarely provide separate reviews for each product. We usually review a product line as a whole. You’ll notice we don’t have any reviews for the other Nature’s Recipe foods either. We’re not trying to intentionally discriminate against the veggie formula.

    Please understand we do recognize the need for some dog owners to provide (for whatever reason) a completely meat-free diet. And I know your dogs have done very well on a vegetarian menu. However, we also respect a dog’s natural carnivorous bias. For this reason, the highest rating awarded any vegetarian dog food found on this website can never exceed two stars. Thanks for your comment.

  • Jonathan

    Mike has rated Natural Balance Vegetarian 3-stars, FYI. And the reason they can’t get more than that is, except for in a few extreme cases, there is no reason to force a carnivore to eat vegetarian. There is no health benefit to it, and a vegetarian diet necessarily must lack the best sources of amino acids, the most biologically available proteins, and the most healthful types of fats (animal) for a dog.

  • Rachel

    I can’t find a review for Nature’s Recipe vegetarian formula. I see you gave it 2 stars,because you don’t like vegetarian foods and won’t rate them higher than that, but I’d love to know how it compares to the other veggie formulas/brands out there.

  • Mike P

    I’m with you Cyndee.. It’s not worth the 50 cents more I’ll pay for real meat toppers . One trip to the vet wipes out all your savings on the poisen food ..It’s just I got the 6 cans of NR for free and even thats not worth it .

  • Cyndee

    Mike P I also use canned food as a topper, and bought a couple cans of Natures Recipe to try. I am returning them along with the dry food. I’m just sticking with Innova and going to find another food to mix in that is free of poison. My dogs are like my kids and am upset that menadione is put in dog food, it is unnecessary. I would rather pay more for food, than pay a lot for vet bills.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Mike… I wouldn’t be the least bit concerned about feeding this (or almost any) food for a short while. It’s rated 3 stars and there’s nothing in it that would anticipate would cause acute toxicity in any animal. Sure, Nature’s Recipe is fine for a temporary topper. However, long term feeding of menadione is what you may wish to question here.

  • Mike P

    Mike I got 6 cans of Natures Recipe for free . I want to use it as a topper only . A couple table spoons per feeding once a day . A few red ingredients in this food . Should I give this food to the shelter ? I use Merrik before grain as the kibble which is 5 star . The topping is working so well but I don’t want to poisen my dog . Is Natures Recipe ok as a topper ?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Cyndee… Unfortunately, other than the star ratings themselves, I cannot make specific recommendations. Most (but not all) of the 4 and 5-star dog foods are menadione-free. Hope this helps.

  • Cyndee

    Thanks for the response. I guess I’m looking for a good quality food for skin irritation that lacks the menadione in it. Any suggestions.

  • http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1061031 Foxxy

    We were on the grain free salmon and sweet potato until we found out about menadione. Sad thing is, for the same price, pretty much, Dogswell nutrisca, which was sitting on the shelf right next to nature’s recipe where we shop is far batter. It’s low glycemic index, free of potatoes, and no menadione. The sad thing is that my dogs loved the salmon and sweet potato kibble, so it’s too bad about that one ingredient or they wouldn’t have switched. The stranger thing is that Del Monte puts menadione on this line, which is their premium line, but not on their kibbles ‘n’ bits line, which is really just sugary trash.

  • Tom K

    We had both of my dogs on Blue Buffalo for awhile; my one dog absolutely loves it…my other dog actually got to the point where he absolutely refused to eat it….most likely due to a very sensitive stomach.

    We switched him to the Nature’s Recipe Grain Free Chicken & Pumpkin and he absolutely devours it every time. When I looked at the ingredients, the only thing that made me hesitate was the Vit. K…but you gotta do what you gotta do. It really seems to help him.

    That said, it is also a bit on the expensive side when not on sale…..and since Natural Balance L.I.D. food was on sale this week at Petco, I have decided to give it a whirl. We’ll mix it together and see what happens. When I looked at the ingredients, it appeared to me that the food was something he would be able to handle. Guess we’ll find out.

    Bottom line though is that if your dog is having digestive issues, the Nature’s Recipe Easy to Digest may be worth giving a shot; even if you are spooked by the Vit. K, you don’t HAVE to keep your dog on it forever; just see if it works for him/her, and if it does, you can experiment a little with other limited ingredient choices.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Cyndee… I’m not sure of which brand (Innova or Nature’s Recipe) or what “problems” you speak. I’m not aware of any current problems with either.

  • Cyndee

    I just recently started mixing the Natures Recipe venison/rice food with the current INNOVA I feed my dogs because of the lack of beef and corn in the venison food. Have they fixed all the problems with this food that people have had? I don’t want or need to use this food if it will cause problems down the road. Any Info would be appreciated. I bought the food at Petsmart.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Anne… Nature’s Recipe Grain Free is already on our To Do list. But due to our current backlog, it could be a while before we get to it. Thanks for the reminder.

  • Anne

    I forgot to mention the ingredient Nature’s Recipe Grain Free Easy-to-Digest Dry Dog Food – Menadione??

  • Anne

    Mike,
    I hope you review Nature’s Recipe Grain Free Easy-to-Digest Dry Dog Food soon. Thanks.

  • Morris Mirabella

    Cathy,
    Thanks for the comments. I’ve heard a lot of good things about Blue Wilderness. Even my dog groomer recommends it. In fact she is the one who put me on to this website. I will certainly give it a try once I start running low on NR Grain Free.

  • Cathy

    Morris,
    I’ve compared Nature’s Recipe Grain Free with Blue Wilderness Grain Free. Blue Wilderness is superior and the cost is nearly the same. Blue Wilderness has 34% protein. NR Grain Free only has 27% protein. That’s a big difference for similar $.
    NRGF also includes ‘digest’ as an ingredient. See above for Mike’s description of animal digest.
    Blue Wilderness wins the contest!
    About ‘dog odor’ – - feeding superior ingredients benefits the dog in every way, including a reduction of dog skin odor, dog bad breath, etc.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Morris… Haven’t yet reviewed Nature’s Recipe Grain Free. But it’s on my To Do list. In any case, since each dog responds to a particular food in its own unique way, it would be impossible for me to compare two or more dog foods and predict which one would be the right choice for your dog.

  • Morris Mirabella

    Mike,
    Nature’s Recipe has come out with a new grain free easy to digest dry dog food. I purchased the one with chicken, sweet potato & pumpkin recipe. Is it any good and how does it compare to Blue Buffalo Wilderness dry food? I have a Sheltie which eats just about any dog food I give him. However, I want to give him a grain free food because I hear it causes less dog odor. Is this correct?

  • Steiner

    We have (had) two lab mixes, one ten years old and one a year and a half. We had been feeding them Beneful Healty Weight but the younger one started getting ear infections which the vet said could be contributed to all the corn gluten in the dog food. So, we asked around and were recommended the Nature’s Recipe. We started mixing it in on Thanksgiving gradually and are almost through the large bag.

    We just got back home from the Emergency Animal Hospital where our ten year old lab mix died in the car as we pulled up. She had been in apparent perfect health even up until yesterday when we took her to the vet because she coughed up a wad of phlegm with some specks of blood in it. The vet thought it was a respiratory infection, gave us some antibiotics, and sent us home where she progressively became lethargic and would not touch any sort of food. The doctor at the Animal Hospital said that her stomach was distended with fluid and that lots of yellow fluid came out of her. They asked if she had had any issues with her liver.

    So, here I am looking up info on her food and I run across this page. I do not feel very good…..

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Lindsey… Since each dog responds to a particular food in its own unique way, it would be impossible for me to assure you feeding a specific product would agree with your puppy. There’s simply no way for anyone to know. I know you’re transitioning with care, but be sure to do this very gradually over a 7 to 10 day period. Unfortunately, choosing the right dog food still involves some trial and error. Wish I could be more help.

  • Lindsey

    I recently have been switching my puppy over to adult food. We planned on increasing it with a half cup every few days. Once we got to the half puppy and half adult food, she got sick everytime she ate. What do you think the cause of this is? We now have her on a bland chicken/rice meal for a few days to get her back on track and we’ll try something else I guess.

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  • betsy ann wood

    interesting reading….my golden retriever started having problems w/ severe colitis in aug…..and his skin rashes have reappeared…my husband suspected it may be a change in the dog food….what is a healthy alternative dog food to use as i am finding it annoying to spend $$$ w/ poor results…

  • Tracy

    I have had my 2 yr old Beagle on Nature’s Recipe Venison & Rice since he was a year old because he had some skin allergies. Did great on it until about a month ago and all of a sudden started vomiting about two hours after each meal. Two trips to the vet plus two trips to the emergency vet and they both said he ate something that was slow moving through his digestive system. Could be rocks or something else from outside. Had him on a bland diet but once we started incorporating his food back into his diet, he’d start vomiting again. Most of the time the food was undigested. I started him on Wellness Super 5 Mix Lamb & Rice and he’s been fine ever since. I definitely think there is something up with that new bag of Nature’s Recipe.

  • Laurie

    Hi Mike, I’ve learned never to let anyone sway you or be too impressed with packaging. Labels are misleading……this dog food contains both animal digest and menadine which I would normally never buy a dog food containing these ingredients. Were back to the Ultramix and everyone is happy. P.S. when you have 4 mouths to feed you normally try to get the biggest bag they have. My kids must know that this food was crap without Mom even realizing it. I’ve thrown it out in the field for the wild animals to eat. I hope everyone out there doesn’t buy any dog food till they really check it out.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Laurie… When it comes to food preferences, dogs are a lot like us humans. Each responds to a different food in its own unique way. What may be tasty to one person (or a dog) may be completely unappetizing to another. So, there’s no way I (or anyone) can assure you (or anyone) a particular food will be acceptable to your particular pets. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but much of choosing any food has always involved (at least) some trial and error.

    My recommendations?

    Look for 3, 4 and 5-star dog foods. Read the comments below each food (someone is probably reading yours right now). Pay special attention to comments left by others who have shared their own “stories of rejection”. And of course, save money and decrease your risk. Buy smaller amounts of whatever food you choose. Because even though the food you choose may be a 5-star to us (and everyone else), it may only be a “1″ to your dog. Hope this helps.

  • Laurie

    I’m wondering about the venison meal for skin and coat. I normally feed my 4 dogs Natural Ultramix. There was a sales rep pushing Natures Recipe her speech was impressive and she talked me into buying it. I bought this huge bag and none of my dogs will touch it. I did mix it in with the Ultramix and they all sniff the bowl and walk away. I even offered some of this new dog food in my hand and they want nothing to do with it. I’m wondering if it’s something in the formula or what? I’m now out almost 50 bucks for dog food no one will eat and the store won’t take back. Any suggestions or reasons why my dogs refuse to touch this food. Thanks I appreciate any insight you can give me.

  • Jennifer

    I’ve been feeding my Senior Lab the Venison & Rice for about 8 years without any problems, this dog is very fit, never gets sick and is always watching the clock for breakfast & dinner time.
    All of a sudden he started refusing to eat, had projectile diarrhea and appeared depressed. He wouldn’t eat the dog chow until he was desperately hungry by the end of the day, it took me 2 days to figure out it was the new bag of Natures Recipe he had just started eating.
    I immediately switched him to a different brand (Lamb & Rice) which he inhaled, within 4 hours he was back to himself and so far no more diarrhea. The comments above were very helpful to confirm my suspicions, thank you !

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Gene… You’ve unmasked one of the many shortcomings of the pet food industry: constantly changing formulations. To get a better idea of what you’re up against, you may want to read my recent article, “The Problem with Dog Food Reviews“.

    In a nutshell, the bad news is that no one can assure anyone any dog food is safe and healthy.

    Nature’s Recipe is owned by the corporate giant, Del Monte Foods. You can reach the company’s customer service department at (800) 543-3090. They should be able to clear up the mystery. Hope this helps.

  • Gene

    We used to feed our dogs Iams pet food which we thought was good. Then our youngest dog started chewing sores on herself. Our vet suggested it may be allergies to corn. So since the older one has a sensitive stomic we switched to Nature’s recipe (Fish and Potato). It wasn’t much more expensive than Iams (we struggle to make ends meet) but it was worth it to know our dogs were eating healthy. Their fur coats became soft and shiny! They seemed to enjoy their food too. Several months ago Nature’s Recipe switched to a new bag of dog (5 pounds less for the same price) food and I have noticed that my dogs hair had gone very coarse and dry. My youngest dog I noticed even had a bald spot on her leg where she was losing hair!

    I’m not sure what to do. It seems like nearly all the other dog foods out there will cause problems. Is Nature’s Recipe still a safe brand or have they(our whoever they outsource) sneaked something into their dog food to make a bigger profit? I noticed Tuseday that Petsmart had replaced all the new type of Nature’s Recipe bags with the old bags again. I did not see a single bag of new food anywhere. When I asked the sales clerk about the switch back she had no ida why they switched back.

    I’ve read recently of other dogs suddenly getting sick since the change in bags. I’m not sure what to do? My Shepherd is HUGE for her breed (140 pounds) and I can’t afford much more than $50-$60 for the jumbo dog food bags (we go through a 40 pound bag a month). Does anyone know for sure if this food is safe/healthy? Is there a better quality food for near that price I can get (can not have CORN)?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Kim… I can understand your issue with our review here. That’s one of the many flaws in ratings of any kind. Although they’re in the same category, not all 3-star dog foods are equal. Not by a long shot. This one is probably a low 3-star whereas others (like Wellness Simple Solutions ) would merit a very high 3-star grade.

    In any case, Nature’s Recipe doesn’t look so much like a one or two-star food to us. These foods use even much lower quality ingredients. Check out a few for yourself. Look for meat and plant by-products… a calling card for many of those one and two-star products. Thanks for your valid critique.

  • kim

    this food (Natures Recipe) seems like it should be lower rated than a 3, you have this lumped in with Blue Buff limited ingred and Wellness limited ingred etc.. and this has got a lot worse.disgusting, stuff in it, this to me would be more like a 1

  • helen miller

    I have used Natures Recipe for about 14 years on all of my dogs. My current dogs are 7 and 6 and have been on it since puppies. Have used catfish and potatoe since it came on the market, but the last bag has made them sick and 3 trips each to the vet with meds. Company says no problems with food. Anyone else having problems?

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Lori… Don’t give up. You’ll never be able to find the “perfect” dog food. However, it should be easy to find a good quality food that fits your budget. Don’t worry about whetehr a food is rated 4 or 5 stars. Sometimes, I’m not even sure myself which category a food should fit into.

    Simply avoiding those one and two-star foods can be a significant improvement in quality.

  • Lori

    I switched my dogs to farm stand selects turkey about 6 months ago they were all doing well until this last bag I bought. 2 had g.i. problems and one got severe liver problems with nausea had alt levels over 1000 vet believes possible bacteria in the food. I like the post before me had switched from pedigree looking for a better food. I am so confused on what to feed and frustrated I had to throw away $50 worth of dog food.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Lee… In the short term I wouldn’t be concerned about feeding products made with menadione. However, in the long run, potential toxins can accumulate in the animal’s body and could possibly cause disease.

    As I mention in my article about menadione… “Until there is an authoritative opinion on the subject of menadione, I recommend that shoppers give preference to menadione-free products whenever possible.”

  • Lee

    Is that vitamin k stuff gonna make my dog sick or is it not that bad? We just switched him from pedigree to this and I don’t know if we made the right choice….

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Marlene… We had the same problem with our Bailey. We solved it when we stopped feeding him 100% kibble. Sure, dry food is convenient and (in most cases) less expensive. But kibble is the furthest thing form what a dog would eat “naturally”.

    Try “topping” your kibble with a quality wet food and mixing them together. Bailey gobbles this up. Hope this helps.

  • Marlene Richard

    I recently adopted a dog. He is about a year old and the vet said he looks kike a mix of Lhasa Apso & Shih Tzu. My daughter told me to feed him Nature’s Recipe and I have for 2 months now. He does not eat it until right before bed. I started doing reseach and found that this may not be the best dog food. I put out many, many samples of different dry dog foods and he picked the Wellness Super 5 small breed. Did not want anything to do with any of the others. I mixed about 1/4 of the Wellness with 3/4 of his old food and he still is not excited about eating. Should he be excited about his food, or do I just by him what I feel is good for him and make him eat it? I have read where some people have said their dog gets very excited when they are about to be feed their food. I guess this is what I expect my dog to do.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi David… It’s always advisable to switch to a new food very gradually… “dovetailing” the new food slowly into the old food… starting with just 10-20% and very slowly increasing to 100% over the next 7-10 days or so. Also, as we mention in every review, no dog food can possibly be appropriate for every life stage, lifestyle or health condition. So, (unfortunately) it’s also feasible the food you selected may not be right for your particular animal… even after a few weeks.

  • David

    Thanks Mike!! I went aheand and switched him over to Kirkland but his stool has been really runny. Looks like it’s going to be a trial and error kind of deal to find him something else.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi David… As hard as it is to believe, dog food companies frequently change the recipes of their products without advising the public. At the moment, I’m not aware of any changes to this product… but I’ve placed it on my list of “dog foods to revisit”.

    For your dog’s well-being, I’d recommend calling the company directly.

  • David

    Mike,
    I’ve been feeding my bulldog Nature’s Recipe Healthy Skin and Coat Venison for about a year and a half now. He’s been doing great on it. The last bag that I picked up was packaged diffrently. I thought nothing of it. But now my boy’s allergies have been worse then ever. Do you know if they have changed the formula?