Hill’s Prescription Diet I/D Canine (Dry)

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Rating: ★★½☆☆

Hill’s Prescription Diet I/D Canine dry dog food gets the Advisor’s below-average rating of 2.5 stars.

The Hill’s Prescription Diet I/D Gastrointestinal Health product line includes only one dry dog food. Although the product appears to be designed to help manage dogs with digestive health issues, we found no AAFCO nutritional adequacy statements for this dog food on the Hill’s website.

Hill's Prescription Diet I/D Canine

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 27% | Fat = 14% | Carbs = 51%

Ingredients: Ground whole grain corn, brewers rice, dried egg product, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, pork fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), powdered cellulose, dicalcium phosphate, chicken liver flavor, iodized salt, potassium citrate, choline chloride, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, dried beet pulp, soybean oil, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, niacin, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin a supplement, calcium pantothenate, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid), taurine, minerals (ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), phosphoric acid, preserved with mixed tocopherols & citric acid, rosemary extract

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 2.6%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

The first ingredient in this dog food is corn. Corn is an inexpensive and controversial cereal grain of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

For this reason, we do not consider corn a preferred component in any dog food.

The second ingredient is brewers rice. Brewers rice represents the small grain fragments left over after milling whole rice.

This is an inexpensive cereal grain by-product and not considered a quality ingredient.

The third ingredient is dried egg product… a dehydrated form of shell-free eggs. Quality can vary significantly. Lower grade egg product can even come from commercial hatcheries… from eggs that have failed to hatch.

In any case, eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The fourth item lists chicken by-product meal… a dry rendered product of slaughterhouse waste. It’s made from what’s left of a slaughtered chicken after all the prime cuts have been removed.

In a nutshell, chicken by-products are those unsavory leftovers usually considered “unfit for human consumption”.

This stuff can contain almost anything… feet, beaks, undeveloped eggs… anything (that is) but skeletal muscle (real meat).

On the brighter side, by-product meals are meat concentrates and contain nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The fifth item is corn gluten meal. Gluten is the rubbery residue remaining once corn has had most of its starchy carbohydrate (the good stuff) washed out of it.

Compared to meat, glutens are inferior grain-based proteins low in many of the essential amino acids dogs need to sustain life.

This inexpensive plant-based ingredient can significantly boost the total protein content reported in this dog food.

The sixth ingredient is pork fat. Commonly known as lard, pork fat can add significant flavor to any dog food. Though it can be high in saturated oils, in reasonable amounts, pork fat can be considered an acceptable ingredient.

The seventh ingredient is powdered cellulose… a non-digestible plant fiber usually made from cotton or sawdust. Cellulose is sometimes added to dilute the number of calories per serving and to give the feeling of fullness when it is eaten.

Except for the usual benefits of fiber, powdered cellulose provides no nutritional value to a dog.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to have much of an effect on the overall rating of this product.

With four notable exceptions

First, we note the use of beet pulp. Beet pulp is a controversial ingredient… a high fiber by-product of sugar beet processing.

Some denounce beet pulp as an inexpensive filler while others cite its outstanding intestinal health and blood sugar benefits.

We only call your attention here to the controversy and believe the inclusion of beet pulp in reasonable amounts in most dog foods is entirely acceptable.

Next, the product includes soybean oil… red flagged here only due to its suspected (yet unlikely) link to canine food allergies.

Thirdly, we find no evidence of probiotics… friendly bacteria applied to the surface of the kibble after processing.

Finally, the minerals here do not appear to be chelated. And that can make them more difficult to absorb. Non-chelated minerals are usually associated with lower quality dog foods.

Hill’s Prescription Diet I/D Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Even though this is a prescription product, we continue to limit our judgment to the estimated meat content of the recipe as well as the apparent quality of its ingredients. And nothing else.

Our ratings have nothing to do with the accuracy of claims made by the manufacturer as to this product’s ability to effectively treat or cure a specific health condition.

So, to find out whether or not this dog food is appropriate for your particular pet, you must consult your veterinarian.

With that understanding…

Judging by its ingredients alone, Hill’s Prescription Diet I/D appears to be a below-average dry dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 26%, a fat level of 14% and an estimated carbohydrate content of 52%.

Below-average protein. Below-average fat. And above-average carbohydrates… when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Yet when you take into consideration the protein-boosting effect of the corn gluten meal, this looks like the profile of a dry dog food containing only a modest amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Hill’s Prescription Diet I/D is primarily a grain-based dry dog food using a modest amount of dried egg product as its main source of animal protein… thus earning the brand 2.5 stars.

Not recommended.

A Final Word

This review is designed to help you make a more informed decision when buying dog food. However, our rating system is not intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in specific health benefits for your pet.

For a better understanding of how we analyzed this product, please be sure to read our article, “The Problem with Dog Food Reviews

Remember, no dog food can possibly be appropriate for every life stage, lifestyle or health condition. So, choose wisely. And when in doubt consult a veterinarian for help.

Have an opinion about this dog food… or maybe the review itself? Please know… we welcome your comments.

Notes and Updates

01/04/2010 Original review
08/10/2010 Review updated

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  • Shawna

    Hi Julie ~~ kinda late to the game here but have a few additional suggestions..  I like the green tripe recommendation (especially if raw – canned loses much of the benefits).

    Diarrhea with fresh looking (red) blood is colitis — colon inflammation.  Can be caused by pathogens, food intolerance, dysbiosis (incorrect balance of good to bad bacteria — this is where the green tripe fits in (plus good protein and enzyme source).  If you have access to a health food store the product slippery elm will go along way to help.  It coats the digestive tract and helps stop further damage.

    If you have access to a holistic vet that is trained in homeopathy — consider scheduling a consultation.  My holistic vet recommended a homeopathic that stopped the diarrhea IMMEDIATELY (homeopathics can be purchased at the health food store for about $7.00).  My Pom Gizmo gets colitis with red blood diarrhea from NSAIDs like Metacam or Rimadyl and from chicken (any kind — kibble, treats, raw etc).  I was able to figure out the cause thanks to the homeopathic..

    There were other things that helped mend Gizmo’s colon — probiotics (or tripe), SeaCure, aloe vera etc.

    Good luck I know how frustrating this can be..

  • Juliebtexas

    Thank you everyone for your advice! I’m glad to hear (well, not glad… but relieved a little) that other people have had similar problems… I’ve just been extremely discouraged by the fact that I cannot even talk to my vet because he just tells me to feed her science diet and that any other food is crap. So it is good to get some advice from well-meaning people. 
    I think I will try the Brothers food for now and see if that clears up her problems. 
    thank you so much again! 

  • sandy

    Interesting article.  Thanks for posting.

  • Toxed2loss

    Julie,
    Shawna has answered this question many times and you can find it in older posts. She has mentioned green tripe for extreme cases as well. I advise cutting to the chase and using the Brother’s allergy, or great life grain & potato free. Brother’s formula contains vital probiotics that would be extremely beneficial to re-establish a healthy gut. IMO

  • http://BrothersComplete.com/ Richard Darlington

    Hi Julie

    Many of us here can relate to your story. My son Pierre rescued a Cairn Terrier (slightly mixed) and we had the same problems for a short time. 

    Please email me at richardd9229 then add yahoo.com with your name and address and I’ll send you my cell number so we can go through the specifics of your situation if you want to go into greater detail, which will help me.

    I’ll send you some samples of the Allergy formula which is very basic – Just turkey and egg – as well as a red meat sample that has a 14 unit polysaccharide prebiotic to feed the probiotics and help them grow into a healthy vibrant bacterial colony.

    Shawna and Toxed – before you tell me that Dr Becker on the Mercola sight doesn’t recommend prebiotics when Candida is overgrown – let me say under normal conditions I agree. At least with the normal 2 to 3 unit prebiotics but the longer chain prebiotics (14 unit) can feed the bacteria without contributing much if anything to the Candida.

    I’ll explain in more detail if you’d like to talk on the phone. My ability to type compared to my ability to talk is like comparing a 10 year old chevy in downtown traffic to a helicopter.

    I’ve seen this many thousands of times over the years and in the vast majority of cases it’s resolved quite successfully by getting the dog on a good grain and potato free food, along with a few other system strengthening ingredients. 

    If “Systemic Candida” is present then it can take months, on a diet that is free of Grain, potato, and sugar in any form, to starve the Candida back into balance. During that time probiotics are fed to the dog to restore gut health and strengthen the immune system.

    Here are some pictures of J.P. a few months after we rescued him and put him on healthy food. He’d been living on the street for heaven only knows how long before the pound grabbed him and his coat was so matted we had to shave it off and let it regrow. He’d put on a few pounds to get to the weight in this picture. The other picture is of Dog Doctor JP giving a lecture on the value of good nutrition.

  • Ngdixie

    Hey Juliebtexas.  Honestly, at this point, I would put your dog on a very simple and easily digestible diet.  Many of my customers’ dogs did well on Lotus and NutriSource with that same exact problem.  However, if I were you (or them), I would consider feeding Green Tripe.  This is possibly one of the best things to give your dog for the next month for her body to heal on her own (new and healthy flora and a healthy GI tract).  Here’s an article to help you understand it better: 
    http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/the-stink-on-tripe/

    Not only have I seen it do wonders on my own dog, but people who have dogs and cats with IBD (so blood and mucous in stool).  I would not suggest feeding it permantly, but definitely use this diet as a ‘healing’ process.  

    Best of luck!

  • Mike P

    Hi julie,maybe try a grain free food.You can email Brothers for a free sample.Maybe Brothers Alergy formula will work.Check out the Brothers website and Richard Darlington the owner is always on DFA to give you advice.Good Luck.I’m sure one of the most informed posters here will help you out as there are many great people who visit this site.Keep checking back for some suggestions.

  • Bob K

    Juliebtexas – First, what else is your dog eating?   Treats?  Bones?  People Food, Lake River, River water,  grass, dirt, grass, other animals feces?  Second – Make a list of all the dog food brands and formulas you have tried and keep track of the ingredients.  Do you give your dog a monthly Heartworm and parasite preventative?  Monthly Flea and tick preventative?  These are poisons.   How is your dogs coat?  eyes?  ears?  Skin?  Scratching?  Biting his body?  

    Its not that hard to get a dog to eat, usually mashing or mixing in things like, yogurt, canned pumpkin (Not pie filling), a little gravy, soft dog food, a little fat from a left over roast or ham, chopped chicken or a lightly cooked egg, etc.,,,,  Also microwave with a little water for 10 – 15 seconds to bring out the smells helps.  Not HOT !!

    Now for foods- Start with a 4 or 5 star grain free formula and see how it goes, remember to transition slowly to a new food.    Always track the ingredients to see what works and what doesn’t.  Usually after a few different formulas, you will find something that works.  This process will take several weeks if not months unless you get lucky with the first food.   Try a chicken grain free, if it does not work, then lamb grain free, if it does not work, then transition to a seafood formula that’s grain free.  After the third type of food if you are still having problems, see a Vet again perhaps one that specializes in dog allergies or perhaps holistic vet practice.  Best of luck. 

  • Juliebtexas

    Hi, I really need some advice. Sorry this is so long but I am just at the end of my rope with this… 

    I’ve had my cairn terrier Daisy for almost a year now and she has had a ton of problems with her food. When I got her, the breeder told me to feed her Eukanuba, which I did. I later found this site and switched her to Blue Buffalo (small breed puppy), which gave her terrible diarrhea for over a month, so I thought that Nutro Natural choice (small breed puppy, later SB adult) was a good compromise, since it lacks the crap in Eukanuba but is cheaper than BB and didn’t upset her stomach. But recently she won’t eat. She will go for days without eating, start throwing up bile, then I will relent and buy her soft food (Nutro Ultra) and she has bad, often bloody, diarrhea off and on. So I take her to the vet, they test her for worms, parasites, giardia, etc. All are negative, so they tell me she has a food allergy. What do they give me? I/D. mostly corn with some by-products thrown in. 

    What do i do? Do I feed her this? do I find a new vet? I can’t see how this food is any better than what I was feeding her…. it has a ton of ingredients, many of them questionable, and I heard that a lot of dogs are allergic to corn, so how would this help?

    If you read all of this, thank you SO much. I just don’t know what to do….

  • http://heartseed.sf.net neighborlee

    Our vets office has two female vets and one male ;)

  • http://heartseed.sf.net neighborlee

    Gordon, there you go again, with adhominem attack on my personal choice, of non violent, healthy food for my pet, backed up by aafco and facts, that dogs are not purely carnivorous. Im sorry the facts are inconvenient for you, but facts are they are omnivorous even in nature ( grass etc.)I am also way more inclined to ‘not’ feed harmful waste products found in meat based dog foods, because they are just as harmful to dogs/cats, as to me.As noted earlier, my vet also did not tell me to not feed this veggie diet, and I told him the name brand. NO negative reaction, and she and I talk all the time about pets, so she would have easily had reassurance to converse with me on this subject if she chose to.

    ” And its good to have a faith in some concocted up supreme being, regardless whether such exists or not, and that has you exactly how our society wants you. ”

    Since you brought it up, Im not letting you off the hook. How exactly does society ‘have me’ in so far as relates to my supposed mind control effects ( assuming that is your intent) ? YOu have meandered into very weird,conspiracy theorists terriroty, but based on your own words, Im not surprised. THis line of topic isn’t going anywhere fast so its time you left it alone, ignore me, or whatever you need to do , to go through your day without resorting to such angry , hateful divisive tactics.

    I assure you my mind is mine, and fullly capable of embracing all life has to offer, not just topics related to ‘god’; which is why I am here, to verify the heatlh of my pets on a given dog food. The article on ‘ID’ was very instrumental in helping me ‘see the light’ … ;)

    cheers

  • Gordon

    neighborlee – You lost me. I’m kinda tired going around in circles on this issue. I just feel sorry for your dog being denied its scrumptious and delicious meaty based foods that its inner wolf so desires. I guess it doesn’t know any better by now, being so used to the wrong food going down its throat, the poor thing. :(

    I’m sure at the least, it has your love though, which is important. And its good to have a faith in some concocted up supreme being, regardless whether such exists or not, and that has you exactly how our society wants you. And given that it probably keeps you contained and believing, then there’s nothing wrong with that, I say. :) Let’s move on, as we know where you stand on the issue with meat. Nothing more needs said. All the best! :)

  • http://heartseed.sf.net neighborlee

    GOrdon, as per this page for dog nutrients, it is quite clear that while dogs are in the carnivore class, that they survive just fine with , or without meat, as the URL I posted earlier clearly claims. You can agreee or not, but those are the facts, just as you are free to agree, or not, that god exists or that personXYORZ lived and taught mercy and compassion and maybe even vegetarianism ( mercy not sacrifice), and that those ideals give strength and comfort to those who embrace them. You have no facts that I can think of , to disupte such things, but I guess atheism doesn’t necessarily demand such proof for their claims just as other forms of public protest may or may not. Maybe one day when you lose someone to death ( as I have several times), you may feel differently about this subject ( my life experience, so something Im perfectly capable of discussing). I hope it isn’t something you experience until much later in life, having gone through it, but then its not without its teachable moments.

    Such beliefs, in god or other similar topics, I’m positive, is dependent also on who our families were, and how we were raised and perceived our childhood and our environment.

    I somehow doubt, that aafco would stand by this product, and intend to deceive the public, unless you know something I do not, and as a responsible public service, I doubt, no matter whom here find peta distasteful, that they also, would be able to operate with their facts, and remain in business or not asked to remove certain points from said websites; and so far I’m not seeing that occur.

    WHile I do ‘not’ want to continue this ‘religious debate’ as it most certainly is not related to this webpage(on its own), I must wonder why you feel god/jesus is irrelevant in a world of economic woes and tied to a disparity between the rich and poor, when that is the exact totality of god/jesus message, whereby the rich ( by not giving to the poor etc.) shall have a tougher time finding heaven, than a camel through eye of needle. How that idea was lost on you is beyond me, but given you don’t believe, may well mean you aren’t well read on the subject either. That is fine and no one is going to force you to believe otherwise ( or read it), but at least lets put forward the real facts and not leave chasms of infactual data represent the true compassion contained in the passages of such works.

    As a side note to further showcase how my beliefs do not infringe my capablity of legitimate thought, I may believe in god/Jesus, but I do not believe in Capitalism, and completely embrace The model of A Resource based Economy. Capitalism is a slap in the face to the beauty of creation and that it was meant to be shared instead of profited from, and allows the nightmare we see unfolding today in the world. So I agree with you there completely, that its just a mechanism for masters and slaves. We need to share the resources we were so graciously given, while freely being willing to work in our respective fields for the pleasure of security of knowing no one could ever take our homes or electricity, or any other necessity from us ever again.

    I think sometimes that religion gets a bad rap, from those who had bad childhoods where a given religion may have been forced onto them, and their subsequent rebellion and disbelief carried forward. We weren’t all forced at the alter to believe, some of us had good parents. This is getting egregiously off topic, but given that your post was allowed(?), I feel completely obliged to defend that which was never meant to be oppressive, but ironically to your point, completely uplifting to those you speak of :)

    I am 100% positive, that my views on religion and vegetarianism help define the person I am today, and why I am passionate about providing the best nutrition I can ( why I’m glad to have found this webpage as another source of info ) to the companion animals that are part of my life, thanks to gods gift to us all, without which the chemicals we are all make of, would never have existed to begin with. Think of that the next time you drink a glass of water , or watch a sunset ( preferrablly with your beloved pet) ;)

  • Gordon

    neighborlee – You haven’t present any facts disputing that dogs are not carnivorously biased? I agree that dogs can be classed as omnivores, but it is an indisputable scientific fact that they prefer and require a majority of meat protein in their diet. You’ve only presented a biased perspective from a source that is not independent and gains to profit on selling their product and any associated information, in Nature’s Recipe. Hence, it renders your source unreliable at best, and given its specifics, totally useless and void of any truth.

    The truth is, there are no independent scientific evidence suggesting dogs are vegetarians and that they don’t naturally favour diets highest in meat protein, like their evolutionary and ancestral biology governs! I mean, there is just no such verifiable factual literature supporting your argument. There are only some biased manufacturers and distributors who argue your point because it is cheaper material wise for them and they gain to make huge profits via deception. Therefore those sources do not count in anyone’s language, much less the scientific community. And I’m not talking about a small number of non related professionals like human neurologists like Dr. Gupta, or related professionals by those employed by the pet food industry, selling carb loaded junk pet foods.

    With regard to Jesus, I think the concept of any controversy surrounding him or any religion is just that…controversy….something I personally don’t believe in. Now I might offend some people here when I say, I don’t believe in the Bible or God, or the messiah in its current form. These are stories concocted by historical leaders to control the masses and nothing more. Today, the never ending barrage of the religious message is nothing more than a disguise to fool people in serving our human masters, and therefore to serve the economy and our global monetary masters. This, as opposed to having the economy serve us, and help the poor, and not have the rich become richer, and the poor, become poorer, and us common folk having to bear the brunt of the GFC whilst the rich, laugh all the way to the bank. That’s the real truth behind the facade of religion and God, as we know it.

    I apologise, Mike for the above paragraph and to anyone else if I have offended anyone. But I felt compelled to air my opinion on this, since neighborlee’s comments struck opposite accord with me. If you feel the need to edit out the above paragraph, Mike, then you may do so. :)

  • http://heartseed.sf.net neighborlee

    Thanks for your understanding.

    , ty so much for the verification, and gotcha.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Neighborlee… I provide this website as a free and open platform to everyone to discuss topics related to dog food. Like all visitors here, you have every right to free speech.

    However, please read the Disclosure and Disclaimer link located in the footer of every page on this website. This document clearly states the editor “reserves the right to delete any comment that is… completely unrelated to the topic itself.”

    Your last 2 comments weren’t deleted because they were controversial. They were removed because they had nothing to do with dog food.

    I also removed the 2 comments made earlier by another poster that included a mean-spirited slur regarding what the letters in PETA stood for.

    Thanks for your understanding. :)

  • http://heartseed.sf.net neighborlee

    I never intended to violate any terms, so ME goes to read them . I assumed free speech was literal, and I can’t imagine I said anything to offend that, on any level. I’ve done nothing, but state facts, even if some people find them inconvenient, and are always related to feeding our beloved animals, the same food we would give to ourselves and our children. Many studies exist, leaning to one side or the other, but I take great stock in Dr Gupta’s and other neurologists studies, so its those I lean on for my views, so that hardly makes anything I’ve said, controversial :)

    My only goal is non violence in all forms of life, so its just a means to an end, nothing more. I aspire to the live of Jesus in everything I do, and dog food is one such route I must take, or be a hypocrite for not trying. I would not feed my dog anything I would not eat myself :)

    ty for reading

  • http://heartseed.sf.net neighborlee

    I was unaware of these ‘terms’, and because of an email I received, noting that due to free speech, someones words could not be filtered, I am surprised by your comment. I consider that odd at best, but ok ;)

    OH btw, and unless you wish to bunk this information ( you are free to do so, as I applaud factual data), here is something to counter something you said, about dogs:

    http://www.naturesrecipe.com/content.aspx?id=84#DogQ9

    Q.) Can dogs be vegetarian?
    A.) Yes, dogs belong to the carnivora class but are true omnivores. This means that they can live healthily with or without meat. Nature’s Recipe® Healthy Skin Vegetarian Recipes, dry and canned, are fortified to be 100% complete nutrition for the adult dog.

    I am not a medical doctor or VMD, but unless they are providing false information or have badly trained doctors giving them advice, I suspect this speaks volumes for my position. If this could be proven wrong, I would certainly consider it , but again aafco stands by this product.

    This post IS about dog food , and the topics that releate to it.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Neighborlee… I can understand your passionate feelings about PETA. However, your most recent comments have nothing to do with the topic of dog food. And because your latest remarks are in direct violation of the Terms of Use of this website, they have been deleted.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Neighborlee,
    Once again you are taking scripture out of context. Have you not heard, “text without context is pretext.” Anyone can cut and paste anything to make it say what ever they want. This is not the forum for religious discussions.

    If your argument has any merit, stick to the facts. If the facts don’t support it, let it go – move on.

    Bottom line: dogs are predominantly meat eaters. Cell biology says that dogs need L- carnitine and omega -3 animal fats for optimal cellular function, among many other animal sources of nutritionals. That’s a fact. Wishing it isn’t so, won’t change that. Arguing is pointless, especially if you are going to falsify and/or mislead in a futile effort to substantiate a faulty position.

  • Shawna

    With the law suit again???? Why doesn’t PETA sue Dr. Karen Becker or Dr. Goldstein or any of the others that publicly endorse high meat protein diets and recommend against vegetarian diets?

    “Myths of Vegetarianism
    Written by Stephen Byrnes, PhD, RNCP
    December 30 2002
    Myths & Truths About Vegetarianism

    Originally published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients, July 2000. Revised January 2002.” http://www.westonaprice.org/vegetarianism-and-plant-foods/myths-of-vegetarianism

    Dr. Joseph Mercola
    “The Fallacy of Vegetarian Diets” http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/03/30/the-fallacy-of-vegetarian-diets.aspx

  • http://heartseed.sf.net neighborlee

    http://www.thenazareneway.com/biblical_%20vegetarianism_denis_giron.htm < Since someone questioned me on misinterpreting Jesus teachings, then here you are for verification purposes only:

    Isaiah 1:11-16
    "The multitude of your sacrifices– what are they to me?" says the LORD. "I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts? Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations– I cannot bear your evil assemblies. Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts my soul hates. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you; even if you offer many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood; wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight! Stop doing wrong!

    I"d say, that I have every desire to speak the truth, to those that are capable of listening anyway, and in theory , that is all of us, because as from children , none of us want to do harm, and that is at the core of every major religion on Earth, as shown here:

    http://www.serv-online.org/pamphlet2005.htm

    Enough said, as this should provide plenty of information making the vegetarian/vegan case, to those truly interested.

  • http://heartseed.sf.net neighborlee

    None of you want any truth, your just spouting industry nonsense, when clear evidence is given to you which directly disputes it. If you have proof to counter Dr. Gupta’s claims , then bring it here and that can be discussed, but so far Im not seeing anything that does that.

    Peta hasn’t been sued for issueing false information about animal diet on their website. Hire a attorney, or push for someone to do it for you ( aclu ?), or your words are meaningless and just adhominem attack.

    It’s clear that meat, especially from the meat industry is horribly tainted, yet you are just fine feeding it to your beloved pets, and this article is one such proof of it, and we had a actual VMD here precisely telling you that. MOney buys influence, so open your eyes everyone to the world around you, and what you’re willing to feed to your beloved pets.

    The jesus myth in the bible about his eating fish is hugely debated as you can see here , by this decently researched article:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kamran-pasha/was-jesus-a-vegetarian_b_276141.html

    Im so sorry that these facts are ‘inconvenient’ for some, but they are discussion worthy, and no amount of denial about the meat industry is going to change anything for you. Meat causes enviornmental damage, food shortage and death of countless billions of innocent animals whom aren’t asking for death & cruel treatment. It’s easy to ‘bypass’ this guilt because your hands aren’t tainted by blood ( the industry workers do the evil deed for everyone ), yet the ‘raw meat’ is colored and flavored for you, else it would not be savory. In all of this you still find no problem with eating meat, and if so, further introspection is helpful.

    This website article was about diet for your pet, and discussion centering around the nurtional value, or not, of that diet is fair game and provides edification for those that want the best for the pets they love so much.

    You had your say, and I mine. The diet my dog gets is high in protein ( not sure where you get that it wasn’t ) and is balanced according to natures recipe’s website, and you may go and look for yourself if you doubt that.

    I can’t add more, so I leave you all with the hope you will decide to eat , while doing no harm, or killing anything, and I took nothing out of context, Jesus clearly was talking about not sacrificing innocent animals, because god didn’t want that, instead what was wanted was kindness , empathy and compassion.

  • Gordon

    Yeah, that’s confused me too. Because didn’t Jesus eat and advocate the eating of fish?

    Anyway, re your Japan statement, neighborlee, which I didn’t fully understand, they are responsible for the continued slaughter of blue whales, under the disguise of, in the name of science for scientific research, when it is well known, that whale is one of their food delicacies.

    neighborlee, what would your solution to wild dogs such as wolves be, regarding their naturally programmed drive to hunt and scavenge meat from killed or lying dead ungulates (herbivorous animals)?

    Also knowing that it is an indisputable fact that the domestic dog is a direct descendant of the wolf and carries 99.82% of the wolf’s mitochondrial DNA, and therefore requires the same high meat protein and low carb diet, as the wolf, how could it be a good thing that dogs become vegetarian and hence eat a diet almost entirely carbohydrate loaded?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Toxed2loss Toxed2loss

    Neighborlee, Jesus was a meat eater; specifically he ate the passover lamb and fish. You took his statement out of context. His statement had nothing to do with diet at all. Clearly you aren’t concerned about speaking the truth…

  • monkey

    I don’t think we should be talking about our own nutrition but we should be talking about our dogs. Just because you are a vegetarian doesn’t mean your carnivorous dog should have to live with that. If you refuse to support the “meat industry”, then don’t own a dog. Go get yourself a rabbit.

  • http://heartseed.sf.net neighborlee

    Shawna, feel free to name your scientist, that is your right, but it won’t change the debate as relates to the violence in the meat industry or the health factors it presents, but I suspect you already know that ;)

    Then there is Jesus ( name your religion, they all include this tenant ) with his saying of , give me mercy not sacrifice, clearly indicating the preferred diet, and why.We all know killing is wrong, we just deny it because the food is wrapped up pretty , then colored and chemicals added so we like the taste, otherwise it wouldn’t be palatable. I don’t call that much of a ‘natural’ diet to say nothing of the violence wrought to get to that point.

    I never fail to be surprised when intelligent people claim their way is better, not realizing they just said its better to eat meat, knowing full well the horrors of said industry. It perfectly proves the point about the desensitization that people go through which allows them to maintain plausible denial about those they allow harm to ( the vulnerable), all in the name of righteous indignation over their right to ‘nutrition’; and then go further into denial that we maintain balance better than nature, when we are the ones causing disease by artifiical means, and the upset to nature to continue to climb to over population.

    If you got sick on a vegetarian diet, I would be curious to know exactly how . There is no reason for sickness, short of not adhering correctly to a given diet, or obviously allergies, even though those are quite rare.

    Short of polling the entire country, it is a good choice for ‘most’ people, becuase meat literally makes you ill ( Japan is a great example too ), and most feeling people ( once they think about it enough ) are ‘ill’ when they learn how animals are treated within said industry, to say nothing of the exploited animals, vulnerable to those with the means. That might sound harsh and its not the intent whatsoever, but I can’t imagine a better way to say it, and keep the truth part of the conversation.

    As Henry Baily Stevens said: ‘ we operate a church and a schoolhouse at one end of the street and a slaughterhouse at the other; to teach peace yet eat like birds of prey; each generation has run amok for the ugly lies it has been taught,- viz viz: that people must be killed for military obectives, and animals for food. As I said earlier, its easy to turn a blind eye to the horrors, when the gruesome part has already been done for us.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/08/19/heart.attack.proof.diet/

  • Shawna

    Hi Neighborlee,

    I currious why you keep bringing up the law suit thing. They are not suing for HIGH animal based protein diets either. In fact they are not suing over euthanized animals in dog foods.. I see the law suit angle as a mute point.

    I’m wondering — if we didn’t value cattle for their meat do you think we would protect them from predators and feed them etc. Is it possible that cows might be extinct without human involvement. Or pigs and chickens. I don’t see many people owning cows cause their fun to play with.. hee hee hee.. No seriously – who would own and therefore protect and feed livestock?

    I agree with the teachings of Dr. Joseph Mercola — Some people are healthier on a vegetarian/vegan diet. However some people are healthier on a high animal based protein diet. But the majority of us are healthier on mainly veggies/fruits with some animal protein. I found myself to be in this group over the years when I tried both a vegetarian diet and the Atkins diet. SICK on both diets.

    The above video didn’t say anything about meat? However, for every article you have supporting vegetarian as a healthier lifestyle — I can find one that supports the eating of meat (also from doctors, scientists and nutritionists).

    (Ethical reasons aside–cause I do agree with you on many points) — I support your life choices but I don’t think it is a “healthful” choice for everyone and I certainly don’t think it is healthful for an animal with canine teeth (most) and short digestive tracts designed to eat meat — that have not evolved to be different then their wild counterparts (proven via science).

  • http://heartseed.sf.net neighborlee

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/08/19/heart.attack.proof.diet/index.html

    If its not good for us, I see no reason to think its good for them. Considering that Companies sell both vegetarian and vegan foods for our companion animals, and haven’t been sued yet is clear indication again, that there is nothing wrong with it ( along with this study ). I mentioned several times to my vet anyway, that I do this, and they didn’t forcibly try to stop me with their VMD, by offering their medical expertise.

    What speaks ‘much’ louder to me, is that they willingly feed our animals low quality food and think nothing of it, yet not one bag of vegetarian food is on most vet shelves. They give no medical advice when you bring it up, but they won’t offer any. If they are against it and say nothing, then they don’t deserve their license, but somehow I doubt that’s the case with the several vets over the year that have not declined my right to feed a vegan diet.

    Hearing about these issues with such dog foods, makes me even more elated that I went this route when I did.

    Everytime we eat meat ourselves or our animal companions, we are contributing to the suffering and demise of innocent sentient animals. They can’t protect themselves, so the onus is on us, to do it for them. That is called mercy, not sacrifice.

    If we don’t, are we not the savages ( unwilling ones )…That might seem too much for some to bear, but one that lived 2000 years ago wasn’t shy about saying it, ” Give me mercy not sacrifice “.

    That isn’t a admonishment or judgement of those currently eating meat; instead a call to inner contemplation, just as I did 30 years ago when a new friend in my life asked me to consider the option ( She is a nurse ). I wasn’t a bad person, though I fed into the whole meat thing not knowing ( my parents didn’t get it either ) any better. That is simple desensitization, and its not a sin, but its sure liberating when the cycle is broken ;)

    Short of the whole diet thing, that continues to give me great passion to continue to advocate for a non meat diet, so as to end suffering and death, and thanks to this article, I am even more empowered for my companion animals health.

  • Gordon

    Thanks for bringing that to my attention, Shawna. I don’t have Pitcairn’s book and now won’t be getting it, thanks to your information. You obviously have his book.

    The reason I put Picairn’s name in the list of the other 3 (All books of both Lonsdale and Billinghurst I have, and only articles on Pottenger), is due to previous mentions of him in an Australian forum, as well as on here some time ago, and as well as Lonsdale claiming that Billinghurst “stole” Pitcairn’s ideal, as well as an unverified Wikipedia page about him, stating in a paragraph, “He is a strong advocate of feeding dogs and cats a raw meat diet,[2] Pitcairn claims that such a regimen is very healthy for dogs and cats; among other things, he recommends raw meat to support the health of cats with kidney disease,[3] a position not held by all experts”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pitcairn

    And so is why I placed him in the list, in addition to not wanting to sound too biased naming mainly Australian experts, hence balancing the list with another American in the name Pitcairn, to make it 2 and 2 (Aussies and Americans) instead of one ancient American in Pottenger and 2 Australians.

    So no, there is nothing else re Pitcairn that you’re not aware of. Mea Culpa.