Fromm Four Star Nutritionals (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★☆

Fromm Four Star Nutritionals dry dog food receives the Advisor’s above-average rating of 4 stars.

The Fromm Four Star Nutritionals product line includes 5 dry dog foods… each meeting AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages.

  • Fromm Four Star Nutritionals Salmon a La Veg
  • Fromm Four Star Nutritionals Chicken a La Veg
  • Fromm Four Star Nutritionals Pork and Applesauce
  • Fromm Four Star Nutritionals Whitefish and Potato
  • Fromm Four Star Nutritionals Duck and Sweet Potato

Fromm Four Star Nutritionals Duck and Sweet Potato dry dog food was selected to represent the others in the line for this review.

Fromm Four Star Nutritionals Duck and Sweet Potato

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 27% | Fat = 17% | Carbs = 49%

Ingredients: Duck, duck meal, pearled barley, sweet potato, brown rice, oatmeal, white rice, whole dried egg, millet, dried tomato pomace, safflower oil, cheese, flaxseed, carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, apples, green beans, lecithin, chicken cartilage, potassium chloride, cranberries, blueberries, salt, chicory root extract, alfalfa sprouts, Yucca schidigera extract, folic acid, parsley, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium longum, Lactobacillus plantarum, Enterococcous faecium, vitamin A, D3, E, B12 supplements, choline bitartrate, niacin, pantothenic acid, ascorbic acid, riboflavin, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, biotin, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganous sulfate, copper sulfate, cobalt carbonate, calcium iodate, sorbic acid, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, sodium selenite

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 3.3%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis24%15%NA
Dry Matter Basis27%17%49%
Calorie Weighted Basis23%35%42%

The first ingredient in this dog food is duck. Although it is a quality item, raw duck contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost… reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably occupy a lower position on the list.

Which brings us to duck meal… the second and (more likely) the dominant meat ingredient in this dog food.

Duck meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh duck.

The third item is barley. Barley is a starchy carbohydrate supplying fiber and other healthy nutrients to this food. Unlike grains with a higher glycemic index (like rice), barley can help support stable blood sugar levels in dogs.

The fourth ingredient mentions sweet potato. Sweet potatoes are a good source of complex carbohydrates in a dog food. They are naturally rich in fiber, beta carotene and other healthy nutrients.

The fifth ingredient includes brown rice. Like barley, brown rice is another quality grain that (once cooked) is fairly easy to digest.

The sixth item is oatmeal… a whole-grain product made from coarsely ground oats. Oatmeal is naturally rich in B-vitamins, fiber and is also (unlike many other grains) gluten-free.

The seventh ingredient lists white rice… a less nutritious form of brown rice in which the grain’s healthier outer layer has been removed.

The eighth item includes whole dried egg… a dehydrated form of shell-free eggs. Eggs are easy to digest and have an exceptionally high biological value.

The ninth ingredient mentions millet. Millets are gluten-free grains harvested from certain seed grasses. They are inherently high in B-vitamins and fiber as well as a number of essential minerals.

Tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient… a by-product left after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content… while others scorn it as a cheap pet food filler laden with pesticides found on the skin of the tomato before processing.

We only call your attention here to the controversy and believe the inclusion of tomato pomace in reasonable amounts (as it probably is in this food) is entirely acceptable.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With two notable exceptions

First, the manufacturer appears to have applied friendly bacteria to the surface of the kibble after cooking. These special probiotics are used to enhance a dog’s digestive and immune functions.

And lastly, this food also contains chelated mineralsminerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Fromm Four Star Nutritionals Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Fromm Four Star Nutritionals appears to be a quality dry dog food.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 27%, a fat level of 17% and estimated carbohydrates of about 49%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 27% and a mean fat level of 16%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 50% for the overall product line.

Near-average protein. Average fat. And above-average carbohydrates… when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Free of any plant-based protein boosters, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Although supplementary marketing information does not influence our ultimate ratings, we note the company claims its kibbles are all manufactured using USDA-inspected meat “ordered as needed depending on what recipe is being made that particular day”.1

The materials used by Fromm appear to be top-quality. So, we’re tempted to award this food our best rating. But our admitted bias for high meat content prevents the product line from qualifying for our top category.

Bottom line?

Fromm Four Star Nutritionals is a vegetable-based dry dog food using a moderate amount of named meat meals as its main sources of animal protein… thus earning the brand 4 stars.

Highly recommended.

Those looking for a wet food from the same company may wish to visit our review of Fromm Four Star Nutritionals canned dog food.

A Final Word

This review is designed to help you make a more informed decision when buying dog food. However, our rating system is not intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in a specific health benefit for your pet.

For a better understanding of how we analyzed this product, please be sure to read our article, “The Problem with Dog Food Reviews

Remember, no dog food can possibly be appropriate for every life stage, lifestyle or health condition. So, choose wisely. And when in doubt consult a veterinarian for help.

Have an opinion about this dog food… or maybe the review itself? Please know… we welcome your comments.

Other spellings: Fromms

Notes and Updates

02/27/2010 Original review
09/30/2010 Review updated
09/30/2010 Last Update

  1. Fromm, 2/27/2020
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  • Kathy

    Hi, I have a mini toy poodle around 9 months of age and ever since i got her from the breeder at 3 months old i’ve been feeding her Fromm Salmon then i changed to Duck then surf and turf and then later on changed to Origen puppy formula around 2 months ago and now i’m hoping to change back to Fromm Gold. i was just wondering if its my problem that my dog doesn’t eat very much and not getting to her ideal weight which is 5 Lbs but she’s only at 3 lbs. This is my first dog so i’m really afraid she’ll get sick or die because of the lack of nutrients and food. Also, should i be serving her adult food since she’s pass 6 months? I buy dog milk powder for her to drink in order to add on the nutrients that she lacks because she doesn’t eat alot of food around 10-20 kibbles a day in which she’s suppose to eat 1/4 cup, twice a day. Thank you and hoping to hear from you guys soon cause i’m really worried! And just last week she vomitted twice and had slight diarrhea. What should i do ?

  • Jan (Mom to Cavs)

    @Kris…I’m sorry to hear about your dog. Someone might recommend Fromm Whitefish because it is not that high in protein, phosphorus, fat, etc. for a commercial food. I don’t know how it matches up with prescription foods or how low you need to go on these percentages/numbers but you could ask your vet about it. Here are some numbers from a typical analysis of Fromm Whitefish:
    Protein – 23% min.
    Fat – 11% min.
    Fiber – 3.5% max
    Phosphorus – .85%
    sodium – .4%
    magnesium – .12%
    Ash – 6.5% max
    I don’t know if this helps but you could show your vet and decide from there.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Kris… Sorry to hear about your dog’s bladder stones. It’s sometimes very difficult to find a specific dog food just for treating this disorder. Just the same, here’s an excellent article about urinary stones that discusses this problem and makes some practical suggestions.

    Also, the Urolith Center at the University of Minnesota College of Veterinary Medicine provides an excellent website devoted to the identification of different types of urinary stones. This site also offers some excellent recommendations, too.

    In any case, since I’m not a veterinarian, I cannot provide specific health advice or product recommendations. You may wish to check back for a possible response from one of our other readers. Hope this helps.

  • Kris

    Does anyone out there use Fromm for a dog needing care for preventing bladder stones? One site I found suggested rather than feeding the prescriptive diets like Hills and Royal Canin (which are inferior), Fromme Whitefish/Potatoe was a good choice. I need a food low in large proteins, magnesium, and phosphorous. My dog has been on Blue Buffalo Adult Chicken/Rice, and she’s having surgery today to remove the stones. Thanks.

  • sandy

    Patsy,

    Are you feeding her less Fromm than you were of Pedigree? You should be able to feed less of a high quality nutritious food. Also maybe a tablespoon of pure pumpkin with her food might help firm them up.

  • Mike P

    Hi Patsy, I think I read on this site somewhere, Don’t remember where exactly. When you feed a dog higher quality food it may take a few weeks for all the toxins to come out as the body heals itself. That could result in loose stools. Maybe one of our experts here can comment further on that subject. I gave my dog a raw meaty bone last night and she had a DQ soft serve poop this morning which seems like the norm for her after a bone.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Patsy… Like with humans, not every food can be ideal for each dog. Unfortunately, due to the biological uniqueness of each pet, it would be impossible to provide reliable product recommendations for each reader. For more help, please check out my reviews and visit our FAQ page. Look for the topic, “Help Me Choose a Dog Food”. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers. Wish I could be more help.

  • patsy

    My 5 1/2 month Chi is on Fromm surf and Turf for two weeks now and continues to have loose stool. i researched foods and this is def. better quality than pedigree dog food she was eating from breeder? i weened her onto it by mixing it in slowly with other food but now that she is only eating this her stool is worse? could this food be to much for her? any advice would be greatly appriciated! thankyou

  • Christine

    Hey Sandy…I was a member of pugvillage already as well…I am chrissy03bw (it is from email)
    I am already on there as well : )

  • Christine

    Sandy,

    I just realized I am in the pugspot one…but I will sign up on pug village. I just logged into email and realized it was a different one. I apologize! I will check it out and see what information they may have for me and definitely look at those pictures of yours.

  • sandy

    In PugVillage, I’m Pugtown. My 4 pugs photos are there in my album.

  • Christine

    Melissa,
    Thank you very much for sending happy thought our way! We appreciate that! We also thank you for sharing the story with us. It helps to hear success stories like that!

    Sandy,
    Thank you too for the words of encouragement. We too hope she gets well enough to get this surgery.
    I have joined a number of support groups and they have been amazing. The one you sent to me( I believe it is the same one) I actually sent out a post about pugs and shunt surgery and the support has been wonderful! I could not go through this without the help of such wonderful supportive people…I thank everyone for their support, encouragement, and advice through this!

  • Christine

    Jonathan,
    Thank you for the ingredients. I know none of them look good at all. The problem I was having with the Science Diet was the animal protein was really causing some problems all after meals (lethargy, the small seizures, aimless wandering like she was lost etc) and the fat in it was causing bad stools for her when she got on it. I just made the switch over to the RC and she has been a bit more alert. We still have a little ways to go, but she is definitely turning the corner after the change in food. Whatt worries me is some of the ingredients in both seem to be AWFUL for the LIVER!
    Her liver does not function at all, but still she has to be able to break down stuff and get as much of that out as possible.

  • sandy

    Christine,

    I just joined http://www.pugvillage.com. It has open forums, and there’s one called “Pug Health and Care” where you might find some other pug people who have been through liver shunt issues.

  • sandy

    Your update makes me sad. I would be devastated if my Mr Ducky got ill like this and would do anything to help him. He was a sick runt when I got him at the flea market. He’s 3 now. I hope Miss Daisy gets to the point where she can have her surgery soon. Have you found a good support group?

  • melissa

    Christine-

    best of luck with your girl. I know someone who had a shunt surgery done on a rescue puggie about 1 yr ago, and the dog did amazingly well post operatively.

  • Jonathan

    Christine, here are the ingredients to RC’s Hepatic diet…

    Rice, chicken fat, soy protein isolate, ground corn, natural flavors, dried beet pulp, powdered cellulose, sodium silico aluminate, calcium carbonate, monocalcium phosphate, potassium chloride, vegetable oil, fish oil, DL-methionine,
    fructooligosaccharides, taurine, choline chloride, L-lysine, trace minerals [zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite], marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.), vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), biotin, D-calcium pantothenate, vitamin A acetate, niacin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), riboflavin supplement (vitamin B2), menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K), folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], L-carnitine, rosemary extract, preserved
    with natural mixed tocopherols and citric acid.

    GA
    Protein 14%
    Fat 14%
    Fiber 4.6%
    Moisture 10%

    I don’t know much about the condition your doggy has, but if low protein/no animal protein is actually required, this looks *slightly* better than Hill’s L/D. But not by much.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Christine… Unfortunately, due to the biological uniqueness of each pet (and especially in the case of prescription-type products), it would be impossible to provide reliable product comparisons for each reader. For more help, you may wish to check back for a possible response from one of our other readers.

  • Christine

    I have a question. I am wondering how Royal Canin Hepatic, which is a liver diet compares to say the Hills L/D which is there liver diet?
    I know the RC has no meat, however, I just looked at L/D and well that has some controversail items that seem like they would not be any good for the liver.
    Just curious…thanks!
    Wish we would one day be going back to Fromm for her, but I really doubt that. The others will remain on it.

  • Christine

    Hello Sandy,
    Here is a little update on Miss Daisy…she has a portosystemic shunt or possibly shunys. We will not know until exploratory surgery is done. However, we just met with a surgeon yesterday and they cannot do surgery until some od her neurological symptoms are better. Daisy has gotten a little worse since we have discovered everything. SHe has petimal seizures, paces.circles a lot around the house, sometimes I wonder if she can see/hear, she just looks confused at times.
    The Dr’s had her on the prescription K?D, then L/D, and we moved her over to Royal Canin Hepatic. It has no animal protein in it at all and short term I think it will help with her neurological symptoms a little better. She has lost weight. We try and break her meals up into smaller meals so it is not hitting her system all at once. Her liver basically does not function at all I was told Her pre bile acids were 212.2 and post were 132.9. Her liver can’t get all of the toxins and waste filtered out of the body(surprisingly it never has ever). In return she has some kidney/bladder issues from all of this. She has crystals that have built up in her bladder and urine, high ph and protein levels in the urine.
    I apologize if I am all over the place. We have gotten so much information it has been overwhelming. We have to get the neurological symptoms under control more, then she will have shunt surgery. During surgery they will also make sure she has not developed any stones as a cause of this. If so they will remove them.
    We do have her on a no meat protein diet currently. That is only until we can get this little girl ‘s liver functioning and neurologically healthier.
    Sorry so long of an update. There really is no easy way to say all of this.

  • sandy

    I’ll be sure to check back for more updates!

  • Christine

    Sandy,
    I know what you mean.
    She is a diva for sure…she prances around here like she owns it all. However, she has lost a little spunk. She used to constantly go after Odie our hyper black pug and she doesn’t anymore. He now tries to start trouble with her to get her to. It is like you hated her picking on you and now you want her to.
    We love our pugs! Thanks for everything. I hope I can let you know how it all goes as you were such a huge help to us! We thank you with all of our hearts for all of the wonderful information!

  • sandy

    Well good luck with everything. It will be a long road. It’s ironic – I find that alot of the female rescues can be “divas”. That’s why I prefer the males!

    sandy

  • Christine

    Sandy,
    Thank you for the information. I saw the recipe, but will look into the support group. That sounds like a huge help. It is hard to read through some of the material. We have to get used to this. It is the initial shock.
    Daisy was found abandoned as a puppy. We took her in because we have two other pugs. She is our spoiled one and very stronged willed…..she can scare the boy pugs sometimes even though she is tiny (fiesty). She is picky eater and we found out yesterday that is typical of dogs with this problem. We have always had routine checkups, labs, etc. Nothing showed until now, but we find she has had this since birth. Hopefully we caught it early enough, but a support group would be very helpful.

    Thank you for your time and all of your help. We truly appreciate all you have done for us. This is all so new.

  • sandy

    The first site I listed has a support group link near the bottom, and the 3rd site has a recipe written by a vet. It’s on the left hand side near the bottom.

    sandy

  • Christine

    Sandy and Mike-

    Thank you very much for all of the support. Thank you for the links and articles. I will print those off and read over them. I really appreciate all of your help. I can’t thank you enough

    Christine

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Christine… Sorry to hear about Daisy. When an animal is truly sick, I’d be inclined to follow the vet’s advice. Unfortunately, since I’m not a veterinarian and due to the biological uniqueness of each pet, it would be inappropriate for me to provide specific health advice or product recommendations. Please see our FAQ page and our reviews for more information. Or check back for a possible response from one of our other readers. Wish I could be more help.

  • sandy

    I’m very sorry to hear news like that. I’m sure your vet gave you some resources to go over (I hope). But here are some sites. The last one has a recipe for a home made diet. The others mention a little about diet as well – stating that proteins from animal sources result in more ammonia by-products in the blood that a poor functioning liver cannot filter out. The articles recommend a low protein and high carb diet and protein from non-meat sources like cottage cheese. Unfortunately to have a small, underdeveloped liver requires big changes. Ask your vet about Natural Balance Vegetarian Formula. It has no animal protein in it with a protein of 18%. Maybe this and cottage cheese could be an option. Print the Natural Balance Vegetarian Formula ingredients out and the home-made recipe and take to the vet.

    http://www.thedca.org/liver-working.html

    http://www.ehow.com/about_5037564_hepatic-microvascular-dysplasia.html

    http://www.vet.utk.edu/clinical/sacs/shunt/faq.php

    http://www.ehow.com/how_4829597_diet-dogs-hepatic-microvascular-dysplasia.html

    Sandy :(

  • Christine

    We just got back and it was certainly overwhelming. We were told a lot of things. Diagnosis reads probable PSS with increased gallbladder sludge, microhepatica sec to PSS, and probable crystalluria.

    he said she has an abnormally small liver for a pug (it was very very tiny), he said her gallbladder has a lot of sludge in it, and there are abnormal vessels noted cranial to the kidneys. Also, her bladder is large with crystals and very yellow.

    She is to have a bile acid test pre and post and if that is it would need portosystemic shunts. If it is not this then it could be microvascular dysplasia and would be treated long term medically.

    They gave me the bag and cans of science diet k/d. Is there anything else that would work for this dietarily, or should we stick with what they gave us today? This is a first for me and this type os a situation and your advice has always been wonderful.

    It was not a good day for Daisy, our little pug.

  • sandy

    Ok, stick in NOW GF 27/17 and PureVita GF 24/16 to the grain free list above!! PureVita doesn’t use white potato either. It has peas & sweet potato.

  • Christine

    Sandy-

    I CAN”T THANK YOU ENOUGH! That helps me tremendously. I know there was talk of switching her, and I do not want her on a vet diet, and I am so new to the switch over to the good foods. I just began this journey not that long ago. I was not sure where to begin for quality food with smaller protein…I just got used to reading some labels and some still confuse me. One of these days I hope to have it right!

    I want to thank you for your help and I will keep all of those brands in mind. I know one brand that was mentioned was NOW grain free and PureVita have you heard of them…It was suggested at a store, but I thought I would check that out first and well, you certainly gave me a wonderful list to begin with!

    Thanks so much for all of your thoughts, suggestions and helpful responses! They have certainly helped to keep me focused. I will keep you posted….hopefully things get better!

    Christine

  • Meagan

    Sandy you are very helpful I just wanna say Thank You!

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Nice work, Sandy. The list you posted here can be very helpful for readers looking for this kind of food. Thanks for sharing it with us.

  • sandy

    Christine,

    sorry to hear about your puggie baby. Keep me posted.
    Just to name a few foods lower in protein than surf & turf:

    Grain Free:
    Instinct LID GF 29/18 (protein/fat)
    Honest Kitchen Embark 29/16
    Nutrisourse GF chicken and Nutrisource GF Lamb 28/18
    Pinnacle Turkey & Potato GF 27/14
    Pinnacle Salmon & Potato GF 27/14
    Natural Balance Alpha Dog 26/11.5
    Canidae GF Pure Land 25/15
    Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream & Sierra Mountain 25/15
    Natures Domain GF 24/14
    California Natural GF Lamb or Venison 21/11 (has the meat product listed first as compared to Natural Balance LID)
    Honest Kitchen GF & gluten free Force 21/14
    Addiction raw dehydrated and kibbles are around 22% or less in protein and high quality.

    Grain Inclusive:
    other Fromm foods
    Canidae Single Grain Protein Plus (rice) 29/14
    Natural Balance synergy 28/16
    Wellness Small Breed 28/15
    Earthborn Holistic small breed 28/17
    Wellness Small Breed healthy weight 28/9
    Natures Select HI protein 27/15 (brown rice, millet)
    Natures variety Prairie formulas 26/14
    Honest Kitchen Thrive 26/18 (organic quinoa)
    Pinnacle chicken & oatmeal 25/15 (oatmeal & quinoa)
    Natures select Lamb & rice 25/12 (brown rice, millet)
    Merrick 5 star entrees 24/14
    Innova adult small bites 24/14
    Pinnacle Duck & potato 23/13 (oatmeal, quinoa)
    Natural Balance Ultra Premium 23/13
    Pinnacle trout & sweet potato 22/10 (oat, quinoa)
    Natures select chicken rice & lamb 22/12 (brown rice, millet)
    Natures Select salmon & sweet potato 22/12 (brown rice)
    Earthborn Holistic Ocean fusion 22/12
    California Natural Herring & sweet potato 21/11 (oatmeal, barley)
    Honest Kitchen Keen (organic oats) 21/14

  • Christine

    So, I spoke with vet today and they told me that her levels for the liver function test were 450 and normal ranges were supposed to be closer to the 120 range whatever they call it. They said they have seen higher, but in older dogs. For her being 2 something was going on and we should proceed to the ultrasound.

    If something is going on and we should have to change her diet around…any suggestions on a type of food? We currently feed Fromm Grain Free Surf n Turf. Works great for the other Pug, but I would be afraid the protein may become the problem with the vet…just a guess (there has been discussion). I do not want to put her on a vet diet. I had some samples of Natural Balance L.I.D. that I gave her starting last night and today (and she has not vomited at all). I also hear NOW! grain free small breed or adult may have lower protein then the Fromm and may be a good choice for her? Just getting ideas started, so I can hand them over to the vet when he brings up diet again. I am open for ideas.
    Thanks everyone for all the help and support!

    SANDY- Thank you for all of the suggestions. I went and looked at everything, moved somethings around, etc. I appreciate the thoughts. I never thought of some of those even small things. They really helped me look at the big picture of things! Appreciate it!

  • sandy

    Be sure the laundry room stays cool. I know mine can get warm and humid seems like which would not be the best place to store dog food.

  • Christine

    Thank you for all of that information! That helps a lot! We do not use any fertilizer and I too thought they were all in good weight range.
    All I was told is that they were elevated and she may need a liver ultra sound, based on the exam and they way she is acting, plus vomiting.
    I am glad to hear the great reports about pug weight! They all used to be in the 20′s and now around 17lbs, except one still 22lbs. I thought they were doing good in that category.
    I will most definitely look at all of those things you suggested. I know we keep their bag in the bin, but we will check out the laundry room to see if anything at all could have gooten contaminated.
    I appreciate the response! Thanks so much! I hope you have fun with all of your pugs! We sure do : )

  • sandy

    I wouldn’t be surprised by the weight loss going from Purina One to Fromms Grain Free (or should I say weight loss from going from a carb-burning mode to a fat-burning mode). A 3 yr old active pug at 17 lbs sounds great. I foster pugs and I rarely get one that is NOT overweight!! Doesn’t matter if they are small framed, medium or large framed. My last foster pug looked like a poor mini-sheep at 37 pounds. What are people thinking?!@# Letting a pug go like that! And he’s only 5 yrs! I have a 10 yr old foster currently at 16 pounds and he looks great and is active. No ribs showing, no overt fat pads, some loose skin around the neck but not wrinkled up while standing with head up, and an abdominal tuck (skinny waist). I haven’t had a pug with that physique in a long time. I think sometimes people have it in their brain that the chubby pug is “normal” looking with all the cute greeting cards and pugs on TV that are all obese. My personal pugs need to loose a few, and they’re 23 (I thought they were 20. Obviously we, or shall I say my husband, has been too free with the treats and table scraps). But that’s another story, not to mention I didn’t realize the new food I bought had 540 calories a cup! We are not exercising right now in this Texas heat. But they all drink more than 2 cups of water a day. Probably closer to the 4-5 cups. They run around doing Pugtona in the morning and at night time and there’s at least 2 cups of water right there. And then drinking during the day. Did the blood test cover basic chemistry and blood sugar? Just a thought since my group recently rescued 2 pugs with diabetes. What about a urinalysis? Have you gotten a second opinion from another vet or a holistic vet? One of my rescues had a slight elevated liver enzyme, but he just recommended a supplement like SAMe. Is there any toxic plant life in the yard? Or possibly could have ingested something while on a walk or dog park? Possible tick bite and resulting tick borne disease? Seen any suspicious empty food/candy wrappers laying around? Do you store the dog food in it’s original packaging instead of pouring it out into a bin? Food can get contaminated by a bin coated with old rancid fat. I don’t think the Fromm protein is an issue. My pugs eat at least 35% protein for the last 2 years. They are 3, 3, 6 and 8 yrs old.

  • monkey

    I’ve heard on some forums of dogs losing weight on Fromm. My dog that is on it is holding a steady weight though. We don’t use their grain free line though. You might want to email Fromm, they may be able to give some insight.

  • Christine

    Thank you! I appreciate it. I know Fromm is a very excellent food. Also, Our Pug is only three, so I would not think the high protein would effect her in that type of a way as say our 9 year old may be effected by it. I find it odd that two of them have lost so much weight on this food. The vet wants us to increase the amount of Fromm we give them. I always thought you should not feed them as much of the Fromm as we used to feed on their old Purina One diet. If we increase then we would be feeding exactly the same amount as we did back then. We switched them over awhile back.
    I am not sure it is all very puzzling. We were to watch her water consumption today. We were told normal intake was around 2 cups and she was at between 4 and 5 cups today. Hers was away from the others so we could measure by the cup. I did not take the water away from her as the Dr wanted an accurate reading for today. She is a lot more thirsty than normal.
    If anyone has any suggestions or thoughts let me know….I am kind of rambling and not sure what is going on or what could be going on. I am in that two week waiting phase. They want her on antibiotics for two weeks to rule out an infection and if no improvement then we go from there.
    Thanks so much! Hope she turns around fast!