Nutrisca Dog Food (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Nutrisca Dog Food receives the Advisor’s top rating of 5 stars.

The Nutrisca product line includes three dry dog foods, each claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • Nutrisca Salmon and Chickpea
  • Nutrisca Chicken and Chickpea
  • Nutrisca Lamb and Chickpea (4.5 stars)

Nutrisca Chicken and Chickpea was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Nutrisca Chicken and Chickpea Recipe

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 36% | Fat = 20% | Carbs = 36%

Ingredients: Chicken, chicken meal, peas, chickpeas, menhaden fish meal (a source of fish oil), chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), pea fiber, pea starch, natural flavor, potassium chloride, tomato pomace, salmon oil (a source of DHA), apples, carrots, cranberries, blueberries, apricots, choline chloride, zinc proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, niacin, iron proteinate, d-calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, folic acid, calcium iodate, cobalt proteinate, biotin, selenium yeast, vitamin b12 supplement, rosemary extract

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 7.8%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis32%18%NA
Dry Matter Basis36%20%36%
Calorie Weighted Basis30%40%30%

The first ingredient in this dog food is chicken. Although it is a quality item, raw chicken contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient includes chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The third ingredient includes peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. And like all legumes, they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the meat content of this dog food.

The fourth ingredient is chickpeas, also known as garbanzo beans. Like peas, bean and lentils, the chickpea is a nutritious member of the fiber-rich legume (or pulse) family of vegetables.

However, chickpeas contain about 22% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The fifth ingredient is menhaden fish meal, another protein-rich meat concentrate.

Menhaden are small ocean fish related to herring. They’re rich in protein and omega-3 fatty acids. What’s more, in their mid-depth habitat, menhaden are not exposed to mercury contamination as can be typical with deep water species.

This item is typically obtained from the “clean, dried, ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish and fish cuttings” of commercial fish operations.1

The sixth ingredient is chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The seventh ingredient is pea fiber, a mixture of both soluble and insoluble dietary fiber derived from pea hulls. Aside from the usual benefits of fiber, this agricultural by-product provides no other nutritional value to a dog.

The eighth ingredient is pea starch, a paste-like, gluten-free carbohydrate extract probably used here as a binder for making kibble. Aside from its energy content (calories), pea starch is of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With five notable exceptions

First, tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

Next, salmon oil is naturally rich in the prized EPA and DHA type of omega-3 fatty acids. These two high quality fats boast the highest bio-availability to dogs and humans.

Depending on its level of freshness and purity, salmon oil should be considered a commendable addition.

In addition, we find no mention of probiotics, friendly bacteria applied to the surface of the kibble after processing to help with digestion.

Next, this food contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

And lastly, this recipe also includes selenium yeast. Unlike the more common inorganic form of selenium (sodium selenite), this natural yeast supplement is considered a safer anti-cancer alternative.

Nutrisca Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Nutrisca Dog Food looks like an above-average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 36%, a fat level of 20% and estimated carbohydrates of about 36%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 34% and a mean fat level of 19%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 39% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 57%.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the protein-boosting effect of the peas and chickpeas in this recipe and the pea protein contained in the Lamb recipe, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a notable amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Nutrisca Dog Food is a plant-based kibble using a notable amount of chicken, lamb or fish meals as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

Those looking for a quality wet food from the same company may wish to check out our review of Dogswell canned dog food.

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Notes and Updates

08/22/2014 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials
  • Dog_Obsessed

    Thanks, that’s horrible! I was thinking of trying the Nutrisca food, but I won’t be after hearing this. I have Wellness CORE, Zignature, and Nature’s Logic on my list to try, so I don’t really need more foods, I just thought it looked good for the price. Too good to be true I guess.

  • theBCnut

    Yes, they are the one that waited for months after the other recalls, for a state agency to tell them there was something wrong with their jerky, instead of going ahead and having theirs tested themselves when they heard about it. Months!

  • Dog_Obsessed

    Is Dogswell one one of the companies that had problems with jerky treats from China?

  • David Sonnier

    I have a bag of the chicken and chickpea. My female mini-schnauzer loves it but the male doesn’t seem very interested.

    The food is high quality. Not very expensive when you look at it on a daily basis and buy the largest bag.

    The female is diabetic which is why I initially bought it. I’m hoping this product along with the Dogswell LiveFree keeps her glucose levels closer to normal.

  • http://tonsmorecowbell.blogspot.com tonsmorecowbell

    I used this food, along with an alternative feeding schedule to end seizures in my 9 year old dog. He had been having diabetic seizures that were mis-diagnosed as epileptic since he was 3. I was feeding him Wellness CORE the whole time. After years of seeing him age at a faster than normal rate due to the seizure medication, I decided to look for an alternative. I noticed online that a new feeding schedule can help dogs overcome diabetic seizures. I switched to 5 meals spread apart by about 2 to 2.5 hours throughout the day. It was instantly stopped. I know not many people can stay at home all day feeding their dog, and even one day of going back to a large meal schedule can trigger a seizure, but you could try a timed food dispenser. The food may have had nothing to do with it, but I know for a fact that my dog is NOT having seizures while eating a couple of mouthfulls of this food every 2 to 2.5 hours.

  • Kathryn Martel

    I sent a strongly worded message to Dogswell on Friday and they called on Monday to answer every question I had and we went through every rumor and also the quality control protocols of the new manufacturer they are using. As far as the ingredient sourcing from Asia they admitted the issue that was known related to the treats only but NOT to the dog food. They stated they will never source from outside the US. Based on the response and also the results we get from this food we find no reason to switch.

  • pinniped

    Ours too. All of a sudden our Vons stopped carrying it, though it was popular

  • pinniped

    I wish san diego Vons had not discontinued it for some faddish Rachel ray stuff. They always ran out the day it was delivered. Our family includes six dogs, and nutrisca has been the best kibble we’ve given. We’ve performed preference tests with other brands,nutr wins. Coat and gastrointestinal health has been great.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I did….I am now feeding Ziwipeak. I think most people are concerned about Dogswell because they did not pull their chicken jerky treats even after dogs became sick after eating them as they are from China. My Sophie also became very sick after eating just 1/4 treat and required medical attention and meds. I ordered the jerky treats assuming Dogswell treats were also made in the USA My husband noticed Made in China printed very small on the very bottom edge of the bag. I got very upset and began watching Sophie very closely. She began cramping with loose stool with blood. This is something she NEVER does. She’s find now, but Dogswell cannot be trusted especially now that won’t reveal who manufactures Nustrisca. It used to be Tuffy’s….a very reputable company, but I called them and they no longer mfg. Nutrisca. I also called Dogswell and they would not reveal the name of their manufacturer. My advise to anyone looking for safe food is to buy one with ingredients fit for human consumption.

  • Bob K

    If you are concerned vote with your wallet and buy something else. The US food supply is nothing special. About 3000 people die each year in the US due to food borne illnesses. Imagine how many were hospitalized, just went to their Dr. or did not seek any medical attention.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    This is so sad…I feel their business will suffer as it looks as if they have something to hide. If they were proud of their manufacturer, they would be happy to disclose who it is! I am feeding Sophie Ziwipeak Venison and Fish canned along with the air dried as treats…so far so good and she LOVES it!

  • 4FootedFoodie

    I emailed Nutrisca and asked who their co-packer is; and this was their response:

    Hi XXXXX,

    Thank you for contacting us.

    Unfortunately this information is proprietary, as we are under legal agreements to not release the locations.

    I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused and thank you for reaching out,

    Kristin White Consumer Relations Coordinator | DOGSWELL® Direct | 310.651.5209 Fax | 877.327.3145 [email protected] 11388 W. Olympic Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90064

    Can you please tell me who manufacturers your Nutrisca dry dog food?

  • carolk9s

    So thankful for DFA and the comments, I was just looking at Nutrisca and considering….now I will stick with the Horizon Legacy that I’ve been feeding instead.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I agree Laurie…they haven’t responded to my fb question either. I have searched and searched for their current manufacturer. If anyone know this, please post here.

  • Laurie Baas

    They haven’t responded to my question posted on their Facebook page, and they wouldn’t divulge who now manufactures their food. I won’t touch it until they’re willing to give full disclosure. If it was only a vitamin mix or taurine, I might be willing, especially considering most companies source their vitamin mix this way. But their silence implies something sinister, IMO.

  • theBCnut

    I would take it a step further and say I would be surprised if they weren’t sourcing from China. And I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it turned out that Diamond is their new manufacturer.

  • Dori

    Most of us here on DFA avoid companies that are not open and forthcoming. There can only be one reason, imo, that a company feels the need to hide where their ingredients are sourced and where their food is manufactured and we all know what that reason is.

  • DeepSearch

    Thank you very much for replying. Then the info I read was out of date. That is disappointing. I was considering trying Nutrisca for my cats, I have been feeding them the grain-free California Natural, but wanted more information on this food. I was hoping they would be forthcoming with where they source all the ingredients and manufacture the kibble. I wonder if they will stay tight-lipped about their manufacturing methods or what. With their history one would think they would want to be transparent and try to gain people’s trust.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I contacted Dogswell yesterday and the rep. said Tuffy’s did not manufacture Nutrisca anymore. I asked who did now and she said she was not allowed to tell me. I also contacted Tuffy’s and they said they did not make Nutrisca. The fact that they will not disclose who their manufacturer is now is suspicious to me. Tuffy’s is a reputable company and it seems strange they would change companies. Anyway, I plan to switch to Ziwipeak for Sophie. She has done extremely well on Nutrisca, but something tells me to switch. I’ve always been uncomfortable how Dogswell reacted to the chicken jerky recall…and those products were made in China.

  • DeepSearch

    “Previous information Dogswell provided for Petsumer Report stated ingredients are sourced “Mainly U.S. and Canada; sometimes sourced from Phillippines, India, Italy, New Zealand, Morocco, Germany, France, Switzerland, Indonesia, Egypt, and/or the Netherlands. Some vitamins and minerals sourced from China.” I don’t know when this information was divulged or if it applies to all the Nutrisca recipes. Quite a few companies say they may or may not get their vitamin mix from China or they may only source taurine from China. It may not be possible to get 100% of their vitamins sourced in the US so they buy from elsewhere.
    You should post any new information as previous comments here state that Dogswell said they sourced and produced all their ingredients in the US. The kibble is made by Tuffy’s Pet Foods (KLN Enterprises) and the canned is made by Simmons Pet Food Inc. If anyone has contacted them they should divulge if they use any vitamins/minerals that originate from China.

  • Laurie Baas

    I checked their Facebook page, and there are a few questions regarding where their product is manufactured. They’re careful to say that their foods and treats are manufactured in the US. But they’re also careful to NOT say where the ingredients are from. They say that the ingredients are “tested at the source” but don’t say where that source is. Sorry to say I think it’s true, but I’ve asked the question directly.

  • 4FootedFoodie

    I think Dogswell lost a lot of business, and trust, that consumers had in their products over their failed response to the chicken jerky fiasco. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that they sourced ingredients from China for their other products as well.

    Sandy made a great suggestion regarding Zignature.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Have you tried Zignature? That might be an option for Sophie.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    OMGosh…I hope not! Why don’t you contact Dogswell to see what they say? Maybe you could get a faster response from their facebook page. Our Sophie cannot live without this food, but I don’t want any part of China in it!!!!!

  • Laurie Baas

    I just heard from a very reputable pet supply store that we’re going to see fewer stores carrying the Nutrisca brand die to sourcing from China. Has anyone else heard this, or is it a rumor? I was so impressed with how my dogs looked and felt after a couple of weeks eating it.

  • Kay Frederick

    Our boston is allergic to almost everything. We use the lamb and chickpea for everything including treats. He does wonderfully with it and I highly recommend it.

  • Michele Ezzo

    My dog started having allergies. The inside of his legs were very red, he scratched or licked all the time till the hair on his knees was gone. He lived in his cone for 2 weeks. I had an allergy test done and found he is allergic to almost everything. All potatoes, grains, chicken, apples, peanut etc. I came across Nutrisca, Chickpea and Salmon and am happy to say within 5 days his redness is gone and he is out of his cone!!! So happy I found this food!

  • Alana Montano

    I was rotating between Merrick and Nutrisca and found that the Merrick recently started giving both of my
    English Bulldogs loose stools. It has been a month of switching between the Chicken and Lamb Nutrisca Grain and Potato Free and they are happy doggies!! With happy tushies too!

  • Kristine Anderson

    Thank you Sharon, so far they are liking the Nutrisca so now time will tell if it is a better choice.

  • theBCnut

    Since it isn’t required info, the way to find out is to email the company and ask for it on an “as fed” basis.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I think you will be pleasantly surprised….hope so anyway. I’m not a fan of Science Diet at all. We saw almost immediate results with Sophie on Nutrisca, but as time passed she improved more and more. She’s been eating the Salmon and Chickpea for over a year and doing GREAT!. I know some say your should switch it up, but as many foods as we have tried on Sophie ….this one works, and I will not change. All the best, Sharon

  • Kristine Anderson

    I just got my order of Nutrisca Chicken and Chickpea so I will wean my dogs off Science Diet WD and see if my Diabetic Yorkie does better with this new food.

  • Suzy Q

    How do you find out the sodium content?

  • Andrea Amezcua

    Oh ok, than you so much, he’s an adult Boston terrier and he’s a lazy little boy so I just wasn’t sure how exactly I go about choosing a food if with less fast and more protein for example. And about how often should I rotate, I honestly thought one food is best to play it safe since he has so many allergies that we’re still trying to figure out. Again thanks so much for your help.

  • Cyndi

    Use them both. It’s good to rotate between different foods for your dog. They are both 5 star dog foods. You can even find a few more that are good and rotate all of them…

  • Andrea Amezcua

    I can’t decide which food is better for my dog I’m in between Dogwells Nutrisca and Live Free. Can anyone help me out on which might be best between these two. Thank you so much in advance.

  • amy

    I posted yesterday, but it looks like it got deleted or didn’t go through. My dog eats and loves both the salmon and chicken variety. He was on a previous sweet potato diet (#1 ingredient) to the protein and also developed itchy ear infections, smelly coat, and chewed his feet. Not anymore. Nutrisca is great. Some dogs don’t do well on too high of a carb diet. This is the perfect kibble, in my opinion. I have also received confirmation that the product is made and sourced in the USA. Try it and good luck.

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  • theBCnut

    The only thing I can tell you about Dogswell was that they were involved in the Chinese chicken jerky fiasco, but they were one of the last companies to finally recall their product, much later than the others. I won’t buy from them.

  • amy

    Read the reviews on amazon too. This food is really held in high regard.

  • William Moran

    i’ve been feeding my dog, Sasha, the grain free Merrick dry dog food, switching between the buffalo/sweet potato and the chicken/sweet potato. In the past month or so, i’ve noticed that she is chewing on her feet and scratching her ears much more than she should. I also started her on dasuquin about the same time as the scratching started. This has never really been a problem in the past. I’m not sure if there is a change in the Merrick ingredients, the dasuquin or something environmental. I’ve been meaning to rotate food every bag or two so I’ve considered buying Nutrisca because of the great reviews and also people praise it for dog allergies. I just have a few questions, do people prefer the chicken/chickpeas or the salmon/chickpeas? I’ve never give her salmon food before but she does get salmon oil on her food everyday. I’ve always just given her chicken or beef. Lastly, is Nutrsica made in the USA from USA ingredients? I’ve had a hard time finding information about this on their site. Also, can’t find any contact info on the dogswell site. Any help is appreciated. thanks.

  • Jen

    I feed my two corgis the Lamb and Chickpea formula and it is awesome!

  • amy

    I switched my dog over to this food about a month ago. Stools are great on the dry. About twice a day and firm, easy to pick up, firm in the bag but easy enough for dog to pass. Best of all, no anal gland problems. For my chi/min pin.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    My dogs only pooped twice a day on this food when they were eating it.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I think it would definitely help. Personally, I’m not a fan of dry food, because it is cooked at such a high temperature I feel it may be lacking in nutrients. I do feed Sophie Nutrisca canned and a small amount of dry (soaked in water) just to firm up the stool. Hope this helps! I also supplement with Krill Oil for pets from Mercola.com

  • Lady

    Hi,
    I have a six month old French Bulldog and I”m looking to switch my dog food, due to soft stool and she does number 2 like 5 to six times a day. Any info in regards to the stool of dogs that are on Nutrisca dry food food would be helpful;)) Thank You!

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    I have fed the lamb recipe to my fosters and they did well. I usually don’t buy their chicken products as they still make jerky with Chinese chicken. Not sure where their chicken for kibble comes from. I also feed Nutrisource grain free Lamb fairly regularly instead of Nutrisca now.

  • http://www.thandroidchannel.com/ Cory Streater

    Does anyone have any experience/comments about the lamb version of this product? My Schnauzer has been eating the chicken version for a few years now, but I was thinking she might like it if I switched it up a little bit. BTW Amazon’s Dogswell prices are competitive especially if you are a Prime member — if you are you probably already know that. Another thing I noticed is that it’s important to check the use by date on these products. Sometimes stores that have really good deals are doing so to move inventory that is expiring sooner than average.

  • dchassett

    Please read and follow Betsy Greer’s guidance in transitioning your dog to a new food. Slow is always better.

  • dchassett

    Thanks Betsy. I just saw lulu’s post and was going to tell her the same thing. Sophie’s dog may be accustomed to transitioning but if not, her way is much too fast imo.

  • amy

    My 1 yr old chi/min pin is doing much better since I switched from natural balance LIDS diet and also was on natural balance ultra. He developed yeasty ears and itchy skin. I researched many foods amd wanted to do away with grain and potato. It’s been three weeks and I have really noticed a decrease in itchiness. I have both chicken and salmon nutrisca but I prefer the salmon for less fiber and slightly lower protein. I feed it moistened with water. My dog does drink a bit more water now. Could be increase of protein. The NB LID was 21% protein while the Ultra was 23%. So far so good here. Just want to now find some more successful kibbles for my rotation.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    You are quite welcome. Miss Daisy is precious…I know how you feel. I agree that you should transition slowly, but I was just telling you how I did it and it worked for Sophie. All the best to you and Miss Daisy!

  • Betsy Greer

    Hi lulu,

    If your dog isn’t accustomed to switching foods, take the transition slowly. Start by giving her about 25% new and 75% old. See how she does with that and only increase the ratio to 50/50 when her stool is firm. Once she’s stable on that, increase to 75/25, etc. If she has some loose stool during the transition, offer her a spoonful of plain canned pumpkin.

  • lulu

    Thank you very much. I love Miss Daisy so much and I just suffer when she is not feeling well, which is very rare, she’s a happy and active Shnauzer. Thank you again.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    If you are now feeding dry and switching to dry, I think you could start with half and half. Then the next day 1/4 of the old and 3/4 of the new. If feeding dry and switching to canned go a little more gradually. I feed Sophie canned Salmon and Chickpea and a little dry of the same just to firm up the stool, but I always soak the dry in a little warm water before feeding. I would prefer canned over dry if not for the loose stool that happens with only the canned. I’ve read that krill oil is very good for allergies and adds omega 3 with gets destroyed in processed foods. You might consider that. I just ordered Sophie some from Mercola.com. On that site Dr. Karen Becker explains all of this in one of her videos..just search for that video. Hope this helps. Sophie has suffered from allergies almost all of her life, and the Nutrisca has helped tremendously, but she still licks her feet. To keep her from itching I wash her feet every night in Derma Zinc from Amazon. This soap is wonderful and her vet said it was ok to do this and bathe her all over in it once a week….very good all natural product.

  • lulu

    How do you introduce this amazing food to your dog for the first time. Just switch or little by little. She is on iams salmon but is getting allergies. Any suggestions.

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  • GrumpyoldScrooge

    It your dog is a diabetic this is the food for your dog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItPVGeZInFg

  • Ginny

    Unable to find store in Ottawa ontario Can anyone help me
    Ginny

  • Nina

    I have a 8# long-haired Chihuahua named Barney. He’s such a picky eater and the first thing I wanted to do when I adopted him was find a quality food that was accessible at the stores I shop. Thankfully, I was able to read reviews for Nutrisca. He immediately enjoyed this food when I gave it to him; never turned his nose up to it like he did to a number; a great number of other foods (wet and dry) that I tried. :)

  • Rebecca Jean

    could have returned that opened bag to the store if you didn’t have the receipt they give you a credit…most high end foods are returnable…

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    You are welcome! I’m so happy for you and your dog. This is all I feed Sophie. For treats I spread the canned on a cookie sheet, freeze and then break into bite size pieces. She loves to nibble on them frozen as I hold it for her. =)

  • rpurk

    Thanks! This food has been amazing for my dog with allergies!

  • Paula Gremour

    BEST food !!

  • Pat

    Sophie, I contacted Dogswell and was informed that their dog foods were manufactured in the US. Only Jerky Treats were manufactured in China and they’re still backing their quality. I forgot to ask about Tuffy’s so will look into that.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I feel the same way Pat. Our shih tzu is thriving on Nutrisca Salmon and Chickpea, both canned and dry. I’ve been told it is only distributed by Dogswell and manufactured by Tuffy’s….they have a very good reputation. If you find out more about this please post it here.

  • Pat

    I am owned by a 12# mini doxie named Beau, who is the love of my life. I am very concerned about his food being high quality and the best I can provide him. After negative reviews about Iams, I found Nutrisca in the store and before purchasing, looked up this review. He loves it, he’s healthy and handsome and his coat is shiny and soft and I swear, no dog in the city of Savannah has had as many compliments about his beauty and his obvious health and well being!!! I’ve seen a site that says to be wary of Dogswell products from China but I am assured this is American made. I really hope so because I think I’ve found the food he will continue to enjoy!!

  • Melanie Little

    Hi GSD, Thank you for the response. I live here in Washington and have never seen the Salmon food. Seems I just find Chicken and Lamb. I’ll call around about it and try to locate a place. I hope there is no dirty ingredients in the pet foods. Is there any listing to foods that are saying food from america but really has hidden ingredients? Thanks so much Melanie

  • ChhuahuaMamma

    This food is the only one that stopped my female chihuahuas allergies. I tried all the good grain free brands for 2-3 months each. We each food she would have bouts of mucusy stools every week. Not since we have been on this one for last few months! Her coat is much thicker and softer now too. I also feed it to my puppies who do great on it. I also supplement with their freeze dried dinner bites for raw food supplement.

  • Betsy Greer

    Petflow has a great deal on Nutrisca right now.
    Use Nutrisca6 to claim $6 off the 15 lb bag and Nutrisca10 to claim $10 off the 28 lb bag. That makes the 15 pound bags between $28.99, and $31.99; and the 28 pound bags between $46.99 – $51.99. The email I got said the offer was good for a limited and didn’t have an expiration date. So hurry!

  • JudyandSam Simpson Norris

    We feed our cockers Fromm Pork & Peas Grain Free and they have done fine. I’m read the reviews here both pro and con and I think I’ll just stay with what we have. Fromm is rated high.

  • JudyandSam Simpson Norris

    can you have it shipped in ??

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    It’s new. I just saw it maybe a month ago while making an order for some canned foods.

  • GSDsForever

    That’s very cool! Thanks for sharing that.

    When you say you don’t care how much it costs . . . you’re lucky that you don’t have a large breed dog to feed w/much higher calorie needs (think 2200-3000+ calories, lol)! It’s why I’ve generally picked foods in 500s cal/cup range and added fat (e.g. wild Alsakan salmon oil, coconut, etc.).

  • GSDsForever

    Stephanie,

    Nutrisca’s Salmon & Chickpea — the one I was specifically interested in — is 30% protein. I guess I don’t agree that it is a high protein kibble. There’s nothing wrong with 30%. But I would classify as moderate protein dry foods 24-30%, high protein/low carb foods as the numerous 34%-42% formulas on the market. (Then there’s also digestibility in comparing apples to apples among the “high protein” formulas.) That’s all.

    Thank you for the suggestion w/canned food. I don’t generally use canned foods due to very high heat processing (higher than some kibble), BPA, and cost prohibitive prices as added to high end kibble. I don’t generally regard high end canned as a good value, compared to adding sardines/eggs for example.

    I have kibbles that I like, but this one just narrowly misses my list for high protein/low carb foods that are also chicken-free, and the even smaller list for high protein/low carb fish formulas (wild caught only).

  • GSDsForever

    sandy,

    Thanks for the helpful tip info!

    That’s interesting — I swear I’ve never heard of LiveFree before and sometimes it feels like I’ve heard of just about all the high protein kibbles. LOL! Love learning about new (to me) brands and new things. . . .

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    They have LiveFree dry and canned that is higher in protein and low glycemic.

  • Stephanie

    For a dry food this is very high in protein, if you need even MORE protein why not add can food with the dry to make up the difference that you need?

  • Stephanie

    My peanut loves this food! he is a four month old 5 pound terrier/Maltese/chihuahua mix.I had him on this when we first got him but switched him around from Nutro, Blue, Fromm,Halo you name it but kept noticing his fur coming out and itching and not wanting to eat He is very picky so I add water and heat it up for him to make it soft and he just gobbles it up. I don’t care how much it cost as long as he likes it.

  • stellas mom

    Thanks for sharing your experience with the Dinner Bites. I have been wanting to use them but will start out slow to make sure there is no issues/allergies.

  • GSDsForever

    It would be even nicer if this brand offered a higher protein formula option, especially the salmon & chickpea, for those who need it. 30% is good for many dogs and owners; but some will need that 34-42% range.

    For various reasons, including health conditions, many dogs need high protein/low carb formulas, and choices of formulas gets limited when any other criteria are factored in . . . like no chicken or quality manufacturer, etc.

  • GSDsForever

    Limited ingredient formulas and brands that offer them can be very helpful to many dogs, I agree. So glad to hear your dog is doing so much better!

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    AMEN SISTER!!! I’ve had the exact, same experience. This food should be marketed as a miracle cure. Be advised that there are some different, additional ingredients in the Dinner Bites. My Sophie had an allergic reaction to the Nutrisca Salmon Dinner Bites….probably the chicory root.

  • stellas mom

    This dog food is amazing. I am a firm believer that is saved my dog’s life. She was suffering from horrible allergies (while on several expense, grain-free foods) but nothing seemed to work….until we found this food. Both of my dogs have been eating Nurtrisca for about 6 months and they are both healthier than they have ever been. If your dogs suffers from allergies, give this food a try!!

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    No, I think they are made in China and imported, but not exactly sure.

  • GSDsForever

    Yes, thanks. So does Tuffy’s not manufacture the treats too? I’m just wary that they don’t start involving China made/China sourcing in the food too, as w/the treats and recalls on jerky.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I think Tuffy’s manufacture Nutrisca….Dogswell is just the distributor.

  • GSDsForever

    Nutrisca’s salmon in the Salmon & Chickpeas formula is exclusively wild caught in the Pacific Northwest, per Nutrisca. Wild caught is the fish equivalent of organic on land. I wouldn’t worry too much about not being organic, as the other major ingredients, chickpeas & peas, are not heavily contaminated crops (to the best of my knowledge). The alfalfa is the only “iffy” thing.

    I buy organic as much as I can too, but I concentrate on the “dirty top 10″ type lists for pesticides and avoid the top GMO crops. It’s also helpful to remember that contaminants/toxins tend to be concentrated at the top of the food chain in our animal protein sources, often in the fat. Here, the salmon is clean.

    With this company, my primary concern is that they don’t source other hidden ingredients from China as they have in some of their Dogswell treats.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    No it doesn’t have chicken meal in it.

  • Rpurk

    I threw away my bag of Salmon and chickpea. Does anyone know if it has Chicken Meal in it as well?

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    Call them! I did….it made me feel better!

  • lizardatparks

    I also found the buy one get one free at Safeway. I was in a pinch and picked it up normally I buy a high end food, my dog just loves Nurisca. The one problem I have with the food though is its not organic. I’m more worried that the meats in it might have hormones and gods knows what. Has anyone read where they buy their meats from?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Dogswell just had a recall over their Chinese chicken.

  • InkedMarie

    Dogswell just had a recall, this week or last. Look to the left hand side for the article on it

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    Have Dogswell or Nutrisca had a recall on their treats? I started feeding my shih tzu, Sophie Salmon and Chickpea in late Feb. She’s always had allergies. I could see an improvement right away, but now she is completely better. She has no more yeast issues and her red swollen feet are so tiny and clear. This food should marketed for dogs with allergies. Her digestive system was horrible on all other foods, but perfect with Nutrisca. I feed her equal amts. of canned and dry. I prefer the canned, but that alone didn’t have enough fiber for her. In the past I’d tried everything including homecooking with a veterinarian nutritionist’s guidance with nothing but adverse results. I might mention I give her cod liver oil and no treats….I did this with all of the other foods I’d tried. I read somewhere that Nutrisca is made by Tuffy’s Pet Foods. http://www.tuffyspetfoods.com/ I called Dogswell about the ingredients and they are from the USA. I sure hope they never stop making this food. It’s been a lifesaver for Sophie!

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi All-
    I recently bought a few small bags of the salmon formula at our local Safeway grocery store. They were buy one get one. I was very surprised to see in a grocery store. They only had the small bags. I thought it was a great opportunity to give it a try. I put about half a cup with their chicken kibble I’ve been feeding. It’s firmed up their poop. Probably due to high fiber. I was going to continue mixing this food in whatever kibble they are eating to add a little fiber and fish to their diets. Now, I see this recall on treats and am a little concerned. Do you spouse they source some of their dry food ingredients from China also?

  • cathy

    I switched to Nutrisca( chicken and chickpea) after her old dog food was recalled. She loves her new dog food! The only question I have is after she eats her mouth stains brown, the color of her food. Not sure why.

  • Melissaandcrew

    I tried it for a while for my cocker with skin issues. Helped a bit but she got constipated when fed it with raw. Our local store stopped carrying it as it was a poor seller due to cost. I would use it again though!

  • Storm’s Mom

    I’ve never fed Nutrisca Dogswell, but always wanted to!! It’s not available here in Canada, unfortunately, but it looks like a great food! Good luck!! Let us know how it goes, etc etc :-)

  • Blue Bird Vision

    I was given about 6 pounds of this to try after my neighbor ordered two sample batches of the chicken one. It actually lasted a good while with my dog’s adjusted portion size. The kibble was small for easier digestion and the odor was very low key (I get nauseated from the smell sometimes). The ingredients checked out well with the diet LD was on before, but the protein is a tad bit higher than my dog is used to.

    I wouldn’t buy again, only because it’s a bit pricy and I mainly feed Taste of the Wild. It’s an awesome option for those looking for a grain-free alternative kibble! But, if the $.99 sample bags come along again, I’ll get em’ just to mix it up a bit!

  • djkshreveport

    thank you…i will follow your advice. I was using nature’s balance LID and switching up the meats, but then got a lazy and stuck to the lamb. I found this site and I was planning to try the nutrisca dogswell foods.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Oh! I should mention that going from, say, a 1 or 2 star to a 4 or 5 star food is likely to be much more of a challenge, so if you’re in the boat of feeding a 1 or 2 star food now, I would encourage you to transition in steps, to say a 3 or 3.5 food first, and then later on a 4 or 5 star. I was fortunate in that my guy was on 4 star when I got him, so I wast just changing him to a similar or slightly better food, (although, I have fed him a 3 star..mainly just to see if he really would do worse on it..and he did) but even with that, the first transition was pretty rough..for both of us! :-(

  • Storm’s Mom

    When I started, I transitioned him over about 2 weeks, and the 1st time I had to go back to the start after we got to 50% old food/50% new food because I transitioned too fast and/or he didn’t take to it very well. Now I can switch him instantly. It took several switches to get him to be able to switch instantly, though – like maybe 4 or so. Using probiotics and enzymes should help enormously during the transition (well, and just generally), as well as canned pure pumpkin (not the pie filling stuff).

  • djkshreveport

    that is helpful. thank you! do you manage the transition over a few days or a week or do you find that you switch up so much that the dog is used to it and you don’t worry about the transition.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Rotate the meat (protein) source. I do so after each bag. My guy’s about to go from a kibble with salmon & menhaden to one with turkey & egg, and after that it’ll be one with pork & beef, etc. I also like to change up the primary carb source, too – so something with peas and then something with chickpeas, then tapioca, etc …I’m trying to use potato has little as possible, though there is one food he does particularly well on that has potato, so that one is in the rotation. And I have one with millet in his rotation – millet is a pseudo grain, which I am comfortable feeding. It’s the only grain-inclusive food he gets (for now). The carb switch can be harder to do, though, especially if you do grain free, because there are fewer options in carb binders, it seems. Hope this helps!

  • djkshreveport

    I was hoping for some general advice…are you supposed to rotate the meat source in food every few months or can you pick one and stick with it (like the lamb and chickpea)? i.e. is it optimal to go from salmon to chicken to lamb and so forth.

  • Unhappy

    Tried a bag of the salmon. Now all 3 dogs bellies are turning dark. What could do this? 1 is a 13 yr old shiba, 1 11 yr old english pointer and the 3rd is a 2.5 yr old mutt that I can not say what she is a mix of.( even the vet is stumped) it has to be the food since there have been no other changes in their routines. I must say I am not happy. Now I will be making a trip to the vet.

  • InkedMarie

    Nutrisca is on my short list of foods to try. Glad it’s working for your dogs.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Nature’s Logic, Natural Balance LID Sweet Potato and Chicken, NB LID Lamb Meal and Brown Rice. Dehydrated/freeze dried foods: Grandma Lucy’s Pureformance, The Honest Kitchen Zeal and Thrive, Sojo’s Complete.

  • Cathy

    I was forced to change dog food as my dogs food was recalled for the 4th time. I did ALOT of research ….ALOT and I really liked what nutrisca had to offer. I made the switch and my cocker spaniel LOVES her new food. She didn’t have any gas or loose stools with her new food. I couldn’t be happier and I hope everyone who is changing food does research and tries the nutrisca. :)

  • Bryan

    yikes! didn’t know that when I made that comment.

  • YellowDot

    This food caused my dog severe intestinal problems. After the first time I gave him this food, He pooped ONLY BLOOD for 24 HOURS. After an almost $400.00 vet bill, my dog recovered. At this time I had not realized that this food was to blame. After two weeks of giving him can food that the vet had recommended I ran out and decided to give him the Nutrisca again. Well, to my surprise we would have a second episode of full and only BLOODY stools for another 24 hours. This food is poison. My dog lucky recovered a second time. This time with another vet bill of $80.00 for medications. My dog has had many many other kinds of dog brand foods from least expensive to expensive and never had any sort of reaction. Besides he has even consumed animals (ie: rat) in the yard and never had an issue. My dog is not one with a sensitive stomach. Shame on Nutrisca company, who after notifying assumed no responsibility. Horrible experience. Unless you want to run the chance of experiencing this possible situation with a huge expensive vet bill, I would stay away.

  • InkedMarie

    Thank you!

  • Pattyvaughn
  • InkedMarie

    Patty, do you have a link?

  • Pattyvaughn

    Great Life just had a situation that should have resulted in a voluntary recall, but they wouldn’t do it, because their advertizing is more important to them than the health and safety of your pet. I wouldn’t use their food, if that is the attitude they are going to take.

  • Bryan

    Great Life has formulas that could work for you.

  • dennis

    my dog is allergic to Pork, wheat, peas & potato.please help me find the right dry dog food. she is a french mastiff and weighs 106lbs.

  • Pattyvaughn

    You have my attention!! I have an 11 year old Jack who was slowing down until we put her on grain free. Now she is hunting again. I’m always looking for new foods to try in her rotation. Thanks for the endorsement. Now I’ll look into this one.

  • Storm’s Mom

    I’ve been wanting to try Storm on the Lamb and Salmon formulae for aaaaaaages, but it’s not available here in my neck of the Canadian woods (ok, I live in a major city, but in terms of dog food availability (or lack of, compared to the US), it feels like I live in the boonies! :-( Hopefully one day it will be available here.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I am so happy for you and I know how you feel. Our Sophie’s health improved drastically after starting her on this food. We now feed her the canned version along with the dry soaked in water. Sophie prefers the Salmon and Chickpea formula. I wish more people knew about it and it’s healing properties. =)

  • Bryan

    My aging Jack had pretty much given up. She has been chubby and lethargic for several years and nothing was helping. She would lag behind during walks and quit jumping on the couch (opting instead to whine incessantly until we helped her up). This was my pooch that used to jump over baby gates and now she couldn’t make it 18 inches off the ground. It reached a point of her needing a set of stairs to get up and down. After three months on this food she is improving in very noticeable ways. She is asking for long walks instead of simply going into the fenced yard. She is playing with our neighbors 7 month old Yorkshire everyday the weather allows and she is keeping up with him. Last night she jumped onto our bed which I measured at 38 inches from the floor! She is only 11 inches at the back so this is impressive and heights I haven’t seen outta her is many years. We had tried EVERY kibble (Orijen Senior, Merrick Classic Senior, Blue Buffalo Wilderness Senior, EVO Senior, Premium Edge Healthy Weight and Wellness Reduced Fat) and several canned foods over the past 4 years and nothing helped get her weight down and energy up. I suppose the calories, protein and glycemic load in this kibble is perfect for her metabolism. I’m so happy my dog is back and am truly grateful to this site for helping me through the insane number of foods to choose from. Mixing this with a low-fat cottage cheese topper has done the trick!

  • Annette Inzinga

    I use fish oil and also add coconut oil to the dog food. I purchased the Whole Dog Journal booklet for allergies and want to see if any of their advice works for the outdoor allergens. Since I changed their food to Nutrisca salmon I haven’t had to take my dog to the vet in over three months, woo hoo!

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I am so happy for you. Our shih tzu has had the same problems. and they were really bad. We too started her on Nutrisca Salmon canned and dry 3+ months ago. We are amazed at how she has improved. We also give her Nordic Naturals Cod Liver Oil. I had read this helps with airborne allergies.

  • Annette Inzinga

    One of my two mixed breed mastiffs has many allergy problems. Three months ago my local pet supply store started stocking this and I immediately decided to try it with my dogs. I originally started them on the chicken formula but switched to the salmon formula on the advice of my vet. What a difference this food has made with my dog! In researching allergic dermatitis and yeast infections I had read low glycemic foods help keep the yeast infections at bay. So far so good! My dog’s dermatitis is more controllable now (outdoor allergens only problem left) and I am happy with the nutrition levels of this food.

  • theshoes16

    Let down by Nutrisca, they changed their Lamb Dry dog food formula so now there are more carbs like the other two formulas in the top four ingredients. They now have Lamb, Lamb Meal, Peas and Chickpeas…the prior formula was better with Lamb, Lamb Meal, Peas, then Menhaden Fish Meal….dog food organizations and manufacturers truly are down grading formulas. Veg proteins.

  • B

    I recently received an e-mail stating Nutrisca is putting out a cat formula this summer. I have a Cat that thinks it’s a dog so this is nice news. The salmon is my JRT’s favorite dog food.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    It appears to me the first ingredient in KUMPI is corn meal….I would never feed this. The first ingredient in quality dog food should be meat. My shih tzu has allergies and I’ve tried most holistic dog foods on the market and the only kind that lessens and actually helps her allergies is Nutrisca Salmon & Chickpea…both canned and dry. After starting her on Nutrisca, we could see a difference within 2 days….it’s been over 2 months now and she has improved remarkably. Her coat has improved from dry and brittle to soft and shiny and her skin has also cleared and not dry and flaky now. Her energy level has shot through the roof!!!!…even her eyes are brighter and appear to be open wider. Now she is happy, happy, happy!!!!!!…and so are we!!!

  • Pattyvaughn

    While it may be true that nobody has posted a negative comment about it, that is a FAR cry from “Nobody who has tried it has anything negative to say.” Kumpi is no where near even in the same class, nor does it have anywhere near the number of people feeding it.

  • Adam Sherman

    Everyone, please read the comments under KUMPI dog food page. Nobody who has tried it has anything negative to say.

  • sd_dvm

    According to their website, Nutrisca is made in the USA, unlike their jerky treats. This was a concern for me as well. :)

  • sd_dvm

    Hi! I was worried about that too, but their website says that Nutrisca is made in the US, unlike their dog treats. I hope this helps!

  • http://twitter.com/TheyCallMeDelly Delgada Jayne

    $.99 per 1 lb? Hell yeah, I’ll try it! I’m feeding TOTW right now, but I try the trial for now. I’m not big on China either.

  • http://www.waidinmiki.com/ Waidin Mi-Ki

    I’ve used several different foods over the years and found Nutrisca Lamb and Chickpea is the best I’ve found lately.  I breed tiny Mi-Ki dogs (under 8 lbs) and they never looked better.  I show in conformtion shows and good muscle tone and coat are a must.  My 7 year old, Best In Show Winning stud never looked better!  He tends to be a picky eater, but not since feeding the Nutrica.  He eats great, stools are firm (first ever) and at dog shows we always get complements on his muscle and coat condition.  I also use the freeze dried when traveling.   

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  • Shonlei

    Just bought a bag today for my little pitty. Has anyone else used this and what was your experiance and opinion on this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Whoa, seriously? How insulting that s/ he would basically infer that you aren’t capable of doing your own research and deciding whom YOU trust. Unless the good doctor also added that only big companies have the funding to pay off hundreds of dead pet owners when their product kills your beloved dog then that would make sense.

  • Carolk43

    My vet said  that Nutrisca “sounds good” but because the company (Dogswell) is small, if there is a recall in the future the company will go out of business and leave the consumer holding the bag (literally) and possibly a sick or dead animal. He said, “The food should be from a respectable, established, nationally recognized manufacturer.  Only these companies have enough funds to conduct proper quality control and nutritional research.”

  • Johnandchristo

    Hi sophiebailei,

    Thank you for posting that link. It was interesting.

  • sophiebailei

    I’m responding in hope that many will read this:  If you are feeding your babies commercial dog food this is a must read….especially if you are feeding kibble.  http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/12/05/nutritionists-promote-pet-food-brands.aspx

  • Brian

    Thanks, I tried my dog on it for a few weeks, but it has too much fiber, poop volume increased and soft stools over what I was feeding prior which was TOTW Pacific Stream.  I was directed to the food by Nzymes due to it being potato free and my dog has some yeast issues.

  • EvesHumanMom

    Hi Brian,

    It states in the review above that “We’re pleased to note that, unlike many fish meals, this particular item1 appears to be completely ethoxyquin-free.” About where it the ingredients are sourced, though, you should contact them.

  • Brian

    Say’s “Made in USA” but little is known if it’s with Chinese sourced ingredients or not?

    I am scared to give it to my Dog after reading this.

    Also no info on whether or not the Fish is Ethoxquin free or not?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TNPHKHWRWSHXTGB3UGHKF7MOUM Tracy

    I gradually started switching to Nutrisca dry and the freeze dried treat. My dog started throwing up at day 3. I have mixed in others dry foods before and have never experienced this before. She is a 3 yr border collie.

  • ohnoesaz

    Hi Sandy. You can add EVO salmon and herring to that great grain free/potato free list

  • doggonefedup

    AlexM2012,
    You mentioned coconut oil. That supplies 1/2 of the E-complex. You may want to look into palm fruit oil for the other half of the e-complex. Also natural vitamin C. Licorice Root and Dong Quai are natural anti-inflammatory replacements for steroids. 

  • doggonefedup

    AlexM2012,
    Sorry it took so long to reply to you. Today was last day of the Garlic Festival……Had to go…..100’s of kinds of garlic…I like garlic but garlic ice cream and garlic coffee???
        Turkey skin and turkey fat can cause a reaction with some dogs. It usually means the digestive tract has been compromised. IE “leaky gut”or “pancreatic reaction”.
     Lard (pig fat) is better than any other land based animal fat.     
     You can get our dog to eat or do anything, just be smarter than him. You want him to eat raw…start by cooking it. If you must, add a pinch of sea salt. Slowly remove the salt and cook less and less until he is eating completely raw. KFC diet (Kibble, Fresh, Canned) with a random rotation may be the best way to go right now.
     Some things I will not discuss on an open forum. You can email me using my AOL address mm1jj2m and I will be happy to help any way I can. Let me know what area you live at, and what you have been able to do so far. Steroids occur naturally in some meat based foods. DHEA for example is a natural hormone that can assist in the  production of natural steroids in the body.

  • AlexM2012

     Hi Betsy, 

    I’ll have to keep the Dr Bronners and Tea tree in mind, I have both in my house (I make my own cleaning products and use both of these in my spray cleaner for my counter tops) I did try the tea tree oil diluted when my dog first got the fistulas but it didn’t seam to help but it may help the yeast!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Ah ha!  Thanks Aimee!  I did figure it out then, didn’t I?!  Why didn’t my expensive dermatologist ever tell me this before?  

    Anyway, I knew you’d help me out so I figured it would make sense to reply to you.  I was actually thinking of Alex when I posted, but it was your information that got me thinking about fungus and all in the first place today.  : ) 

    When I was reading about using tea tree essential oil, the instructions for use did say to dilute the tea tree essential oil with a carrier oil such as almond oil, apricot, avocado or olive oil.  I can tolerate it full strength, but would suggest others dilute it first until they see how their skin reacts.  

  • aimee

    Hi Betsy,

    None of my dogs have any yeast issues but I have heard that Tea Tree oil can be used on dogs as long as not to concentrated of a solution is used.

    Yeast in dogs is secondary to seborrhea and allergies sounds like you found that the same applies to people as well. 

  • Johnandchristo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiswuGyRUEk
    This is a good film to help everyone understand what it is we are talking about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hmm, this makes me recall some of my research as it relates to my own human skin.  

    My daughter and I both have Seborrheic Dermatitis.  I believe I’m a rather “fungusy” sort of person and the research I did online ended up bringing me to this same Malassezia issue.   If I’m not mistaken, and I know others here will help me out with this, Malassezia is a genus of fungi.  For me, it seems, that the fungus only becomes problematic when there’s been a break in the skin or there isn’t sufficient sloughing of “old” cells.  

    So, without getting too confusing, I started to realize I also needed to get rid of the fungus.  I happen to have on hand a bottle of Dr. Bronner’s Magic Soap in tea tree… I got that out and started using it… viola!  Slowly, it started getting rid of layer after layer of dead fungusy/yeasty skin cells.  BTW, Dr. Bronner’s is fantastic stuff:  http://www.drbronner.com/DBMS/TEA.htm.  You can order it online at their website or pick up a bottle at Target.  

    I have since picked up a one ounce bottle of pharmaceutical grade tea tree oil for spot treatments. Check with your vet, of course, but I wonder if using an anti-fungal tea tree wash might help you, too.  

  • Johnandchristo

    Hi Aimee…..

    I had a good time with my family making those videos.
    I have also trained my Flat Coat Dugan, to retrieve, at that beach. (when he was still living). I’m not to worried about rip tides. they don’t effect the surface of the water. They effect the bottom, IE, people standing in the water ect. I’ve been surfing for 30 years now. Worked on a beach for 20 years, before working with Alzheimers patients. 

    The link for dogs( second one) said at the end that more studies were needed. The other one (third one )was for Humans. All though I think its best to avoid all carbs, when feeding a kibble you cant. But I would choose tapioca over potato or grain any time.

    Dr Mike rates all dogs foods mostly on there meat content. 
    I could not agree more. True I don’t like potato. But I always like to add a “IMO” because that is what I”m saying.It is IMO. :)

    I have had a lot of dogs, none have ever thrived on a food like Christo. So when someone is looking for help feeding their dog I like to share my good as well as bad experiences with them. 

    I truly believe Christo is such a powerful and healthy dog as a result of his diet. So how could I not pass that on? As I said a healthy meal is not a substitute for medicine, but nutrition is the foundation of heath. I’d bet Fish and tapioca would beat fish and potato any day.

  • aimee

    Hi Johnandchristo,

    Wanted to let you know I’ve enjoyed the videos of Christo. Have to say though that my heart nearly stopped on that long retieve…I was so afraid a rip tide would catch him.

    Fish/Potato diet has often been used for the problem of fistula which is why my friend used it. At the time it was a novel treatment first advanced by Michigan Vet School. Studies with fistula continue to use fish/potato with good results.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981195

    I know you are biased against potato. I’m not as my dog signs all resolved once I placed him on a potato based food. 

    P.S. This study, the only one I know of that measured the glycemic index of cassava starch(tapioca) in dogs, found it to be similar to corn and rice.  

    “Dogs’ immediate post-prandial glucose and insulin responses (AUC < or = 30 min) were greater for brewer's rice, corn, and cassava flour diets"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18477314

    This is a human study in which tapioca had the highest glycemic response of starches tested.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/50/2/315.long
     

     

  • Johnandchristo

    Thanks Alex, 

    If its a fat loving yeast or not, feeding carbs (that have high glycemic indexes)is the wrong diet for a dog. Raw is best. Maybe (as I do) raw and grain and white potato free. For my dog that made all the difference. Enzymes, stabilized probiotics, prebiotics, will help a lot. High carb foods that contain tons of red flag ingredients, will not help your dog. And may contribute to other and more serious problems down the road. IMO, avoid the big brands they sell in supermarkets, and try to find a more natural kibble. Dog thrive on meat. horses thrive on grains. Its a no brainier. A healthy meal is not a substitute for medicine. But nutrition is the foundation of health. I have had excellent results using Brothers Complete. I also mix raw. but my dog mostly gets kibble. The grain based kibbles nearly ruined his health completely. Avoid grain and white potato. 

  • InkedMarie

    I am SO fortunate. My dogs eat anything put in their bowl, Darwins included.

  • aimee

    Hi Alex,

    My friend’s Shephard had fistlas. It was a long time ago so treatments may have changed. But she was able to take the dog off all drugs and maintain on diet alone. I remember she used Iams Fish and potato.

    Here are links to a few studies that used a drug similar to cyclosporin but in a ointment form on the area with good outcome. I don’t know if you tried that yet.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10945128

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19681720

    Also if your dog has a yeast infection on the skin it is very very very rare for it to be a carb loving yeast. It is a fat loving yeast called Malassezia so carbs in the diet don’t make any difference in treatment. Good Luck!

  • AlexM2012

     Thanks Johnandchristo!  That will make it easier for me to do rotations so I know I won’t be feeding the same thing all the time!

  • AlexM2012

     ;) You are the best!  That did the trick I put hot water in a bigger bowl then let his bowl of raw sit in it for a few minutes while I added a small amount of meat from last nights dinner, he just ate his whole bowl of raw!  Thank you so much :D

  • Johnandchristo

    Hi AlexM2012….

    Nightshade : any of a genus (solanum of the family Solanaceae, the nightshade family) which comprises herbs, shrubs, and trees with alternate leaves, cymose flowers, and fruits that are berries and includes some poisonous weeds, various ornamentals, and important crop plants ( as potato, eggplant, peppers) as well as belladonna.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    The nice folks at Darwin’s sent me this info a little while back about how to encourage interest in their raw.  I would think that you could use some of these ideas with other raw products as well.  Here you go:  

    You can try these tips if you haven’t already (singly or in combo): 1.            Adding cheese or canned food is usually a good trick to start with. Also adding spices can increase interest.2.            You can feed Darwins very warm.  You can either float it in its bag in hot water or, at least to start, cook it a little on the stove or in the oven.  This will release some of the fat molecules in the meat and hopefully overcome some of the veggie smell.  Also put just a small amount in the bowl.  No sense wasting food and also a small amount might be less intimidating.  Add more if your dog eats the first offering.3.            Mix either straight ground meat or some healthy table scraps into the Darwins.  Some people find that mixing ground meat into the Darwin’s at a ratio of about 30-50 percent warm Darwins with 70-50 percent fresh ground meat for a few days will convince their dog to start eating Darwin’s.4.            At first only feed the meat variety that your dog is used to eating.   Also, it seems that many dogs take to the turkey and chicken faster than to the beef.  It might be the smell of the meat itself or it might be that the beef contains bone meal instead of ground pieces of bone and some dogs don’t like the smell of bone meal.  Also, I think the red meat variety smells more of organ meat than do the chicken or turkey.  Unfortunately the veggie smell is the first noticed smell and it is the same in all Darwin’s varieties; so dogs who didn’t like their first meat variety might think that all the Darwin’s is the same since it all smells the same.  That’s when using trick 3 is helpful to get them started by cutting the percentage of vegetables and, thus, reducing the smell.5.            Warmed chicken or beef broth poured over the food to make a soup or stew sometimes works, if your dog will eat a very wet food.  Some do not like soup.6.            Make sure your dog is good and hungry and don’t feed anything else if the Darwin’s is refused.  Just try again next meal. .  Easier to get a child to eat broccoli if he or she hasn’t had access to McDonalds for the past few meals.7.            Cook the food like a meat loaf (325 for 30 – 40 minutes or so) and start there.  You can mix in raw Darwin’s with the crumbled cooked loaf slowly until you are transitioned. Or mix the crumbled loaf into the food that your dog is used to eating and then transition to raw once you have convinced him/her to eat it cooked.8.            Adding Green Tripe to our meals is an excellent idea for notoriously picky eaters.  It is highly palatable, and considered a “superfood” for dogs.  We do offer Green Tripe in 1lb packages, and can be added to your standard order any time. 

  • AlexM2012

     What are nightshades?  The three foods I somewhat like for my dog all have legumes in them (chickpeas in two of them and lentils in the other), Zignautre, Darford and Dogswell.  I liked the ingredients and protein to carb ratio of Evo until someone mentioned Proctor & Gamble bought them out uhgg.  Wysong Epigen also looks decent and doesn’t have any potato, rice, grains or legumes.  I only want to feed one meal as kibble though his morning I really want to do raw if I could just get him to eat it :(

  • AlexM2012

     Doggonefedup thank you so much, your the first person I’ve met who has dealt with fistulas.  My dogs Vet has put him on two rounds of Clavamox & cyclosporin as well as prednisone.  He was on the prednisone 20mg twice a day, he is still on it 20mg every other day, as soon as we try to take him off of the prednisone the fistulas start to come back hence wanting to put him on MSM with Glucosamine but I don’t know if there is any
    interaction with the prednisone, I also thought of giving turmeric. . 

    I have just this week started him on the program from http://www.nzymes.com which has probiotics, enzymes etc in it.  I started this to combat the  yeast overgrowth on his body.  I will definitely look into Artemisinin.

    I still haven’t decided on a new food, even if you give my dog fresh turkey from Thanksgiving dinner he will have an allergic reaction to it same thing if you give him too much home cooked chicken.  I had to go to the pet store yesterday to get more shampoo vet approved one over the counter shampoo instead of having to use the prescription shampoo while I was there I picked up one bag of OC Salmon raw I gave him one patty yesterday he loved it I thought great I finally found one he likes, however this morning I gave him two patties and he turned his nose up to it, I don’t understand why he doesn’t like raw you would think it comes naturally to them.  I liked this raw because it has no carbs in it and they also make it in goat and rabbit two proteins he has not had which should be ok to introduce w/the fistulas. 

    They do speak of leaky gut on the nzymes.com site I had never head of that until I went to their site.  Did your vet put your dog on prednisone?  I really don’t want to keep my dog on this stuff that is why I would love to put him on the msm glucosamine and turmeric.  If your dog was on steroids how did you wean them off and did you use something else that was more natural for the inflammation?  I know with a better diet  it will help the fistulas I am just concerned w/him being on the steroids for so long. 

    My dogs’ fistulas weren’t/aren’t as bad as that photo :( Poor dog.  I caught it before it got to that extent.  I clean his behind after every bathroom so I keep an eye on it daily, that is how I knew when the vet tried to take him off the prednisone that he was starting to show inflammation again.  The long term use of the steroid is starting to weaken his back legs (the vet told me this would be one of the side affects) I have to squat down and let him use my leg as a stair now to get him into my SUV. 

    Sorry your dog had to go through this but I’m grateful to have found someone who has combated it.

  • AlexM2012

    Thank you so much for your reply, It’s so good to know you have combated this. Should I give my dog the Secure and Geneflora while he is on the http://www.nzymes.com program?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Thanks Shawna.  But what if you’re rotating foods that all contain lectins?  And the same with nightshades? Aren’t you giving them a constant source of something potentially problematic or is it a synergistic thing with each different food ~ the body uses them differently based on each different food as a whole?

  • Shawna

    Like others have mentioned, I haven’t been able to post since yesterday afternoon.  I’m babysitting tonight so just popping in for a quick post.

    I agree with the others Betsy..  Lectins (the proteins in legumes/potatoes/grains etc) are less of an issue when foods are rotated.  I don’t think there is such a thing as rotating too often either.  I switch kibble types with each new bag.  And I buy the small size bags.  You don’t have to rotate that often but it is okay to do so..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    OK, that makes me feel better.  

    If anything, I’m trying to resist the urge not to rotate too often.  

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    As Storm’s Mom said, rotating helps when you’re worried about certain ingredients.  I will only use a small bag of Instinct Duck & Turkey with canola a couple times a year in between my usual kibble just for variety.  Actually I think I serve enough of a variety now so that I don’t have to use a different kibble every now and then.  I use to not feed anything but kibble so I would try different ones.  But now I also feed canned and raw so I’m really giving them a variety even if I stuck to one kibble.  Old habits die hard!

  • doggonefedup

    AlexM2012,
     Please do scroll down to the post you made this morning. My reply and suggestion to you That I posted right after you just now appeared And I think you need to read it.  

  • InkedMarie

    I’m not sure if this is just to Sandy or any of us but I use Darwins, a pre made raw, at breakfast and Brothers Allergy in the afternoon

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Try kibble/wet at dinner so it has overnight to stew so to speak.  Raw is quicker to digest.  And yes I do mix my food up but my crew are accustomed to it. Maybe you could try a homemade raw.  There’s a Yeast Starvation Diet at homemadedogfood.com. 

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    You can make your diet simlple: Paleo Diet = NO PROCESSED FOODS!  But that is really the hard part!

  • Storm’s Mom

    Betsy Greer – The legume/nightshade/canola oil isn’t as problematic or bothersome if you rotate among a few different kibbles – one that has whatever ingredient, one that does not, etc etc. It’s the buildup of these that is problematic – rotation obviously means less buildup.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Holy moly!  Once again, I have discovered how very little I seem to know about so many things in life… not the least of which is dog food.  

    I’ve scoured the list of grain and potato free foods and have looked for those that contain primarily meat in the first five, or so, ingredients.  The legume thing didn’t bother me as much before as it does now; that and the nightshade thing.  I was already trying to steer clear of canola oil as well.  So now, admittedly, I admit that once again I’m stumped.  Once again, it appears as though I’ll spend another Saturday night researching kibble.  

    Sadly, I put no where near this much energy into my own diet.  ; )

  • AlexM2012

    Thank you Sandy so much this list helps a lot.  ;) Still haven’t chosen one though grrr.  The kit from nzymes.com has digestive enzymes in it as well as probiotics.  I also put organic flaxseed oil in his morning food and organic coconut oil in his dinner.  His breeder suggested Turmeric and MSM with glucosamine for inflammation (in hopes I can get him off the steroid).  Do you give kibble/wet and raw?  I’m going to try my dog on kibble/wet in the morning and raw at night, I hope I can find a raw food he will eat.  

  • Lori

    Thank you for the list I was going to try to put one together for my use.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Great Life, Great Life Limited ingredient and Pioneer Naturals do not use chicken fat.

    http://www.doctorsfinest.com/category_s/66.htm

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Natures Variety Instinct Limited Ingredient Diet does not have chicken fat.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    I’ve fed Nutrisca Salmon, Great Life GF Salmon and Buffalo, and Horizon Amicus but not long term.  I also give probiotics/enzymes to help with digestion. 

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Here’s the long list of grain/potato free foods (mostly  kibbles):  Sorry I haven’t gone through them all but these include foods that are legume-based, just pea-based or sweet potato based, or tapioca.  And I definitely haven’t looked to see if they have chicken fat.

    EVO Weight Management
    Great Life Grain Free
    Innova Prime
    D.N.A.
    California Naturals Grain-Free
    Epigen Fish
    I and Love and You (OnlyNaturalPet.com)
    Nature’s Select Grain-Free
    Victor Grain-Free
    Avoderm Rotating Menu
    Precise Holistic Complete Grain-Free
    Spring Naturals
    Zignature
    Darford Zero-G
    Dogswell Nutrisca
    Canine Caviar Grain-Free
    Brother’s Complete
    Back to Basics
    Grandma Lucy’s Pureformance
    NRG Maxim
    The Honest Kitchen Zeal
    Sojos
    ZiwiPeak
    Evanger’s Grain-Free
    Freehand 4 Energize GF
    Pioneer Naturals (same company as Great Life)
    Red Moon Chicken and Yellow Pea Medley
    Nutri Source Grain-Free
    Grandma Mae’s Grain-Free Formula
    Pet Botanics Healthy Omega
    Horizon Pulsar
    Horizon Legacy
    Horizon Amicus
    NuTripe
    Natures Variety Instinct
    Earthborn (Meadow Feast, Great Plains Feast)
    Real Meat Company
    Nutram Grain-Free

    Merrick Grain Free has several single protein canned foods to chose from and also I think Hound and Gatos.  It’s interesting that he has a reaction to chicken fat as it is processed so that there is no chicken protein in the fat.

  • Bob K

     Alex – If you really love your dog, keep very accurate records of what he eats, what shampoos you have been using and what drugs you have tried.  There are Vet specialists for allergies and dermatology.  I suggest you find one.  https://www.acvd.org/

  • InkedMarie

    I’ve never fed those foods; when Natura Pet was bought out by Proctor & Gamble, I decided I’d rather not. I would, if those were the only foods I could feed. Dogswell had a recall recently, not to food, I don’t believe but to treats (someone correct me if I’m wrong) so that doesn’t make me happy but then again, it wasn’t the food. 
    Have you thought about trying Brothers Allergy, which is turkey or the Brothers fish formula? I have a dog who cannot have chicken but he does fine on turkey. You have to order it, go to the “B” list of foods, find the two Brothers and read up. 

  • AlexM2012

    I’ve been reading the posts on this board for a few days trying to make a decision and well I can’t seem to chose a new food was wondering if you all could help.  I have a 9 yr old German Shepherd, he has been on Orijen 6 fish for the last year but I have to change his food.  A year and a half ago my dog developed perianal fistulas he was on immuno suppressant drugs and two prednisones per day for this.  He is still on the steroid one every other day, every time we try to ween him off the fistulas come back.  He has now developed an overgrowth of yeast on his skin every time I bring him back to the vets for this all they do is give me antibiotics and tell me to give him a bath every three to four days w/a medicated shampoo this yeast problem has been going on for a few months.  I contacted his breeder she said to try the products at nzymes.com I just got the skin kit from nzymes.com and they recommended I put him on a different food, one that does not contain potatoes.  He has always been allergic to any dog food that has any type of chicken or chicken fat etc, so that puts a limit on choosing a dog food (I couldn’t believe how many dog food companies use chicken fat in their other protein kibbles).  When he first got the fistulas I had read to put him on a protein he had never been on hence choosing fish, since his old diet consisted mainly of beef or bison (I have tried him on turkey but he gets the same type of allergy reaction like he does on chicken).   The food he used to be on was taste of the wild bison and venison and the beef and lamb.  Right now I have narrowed the new kibble down to Innova Prime Grain free (salmon and herring), Evo (herring and salmon) and Dogswell Nutrisca (Salmon) the things I don’t want in a new kibble are grains, potatoes, chicken, soy and because of the fistulas I don’t know if I can put him back on beef, bison, venison or lamb.  After reading all the posts on here (on the nutrisca, evo and innova pages) I got a little iffy about the legumes (chick peas, lentils etc). 

    My goal is to feed him a combination of dry, can and raw foods, although I have tried him on prepared commercial raw several times and he wouldn’t eat it (I have tried him on raw over a few years)

    So I guess my question is which of these three kibbles do you think he would do best on? 

    Do you know of a canned food you think would work for him w/the limited protein he can eat? 

    My understanding for both the yeast and fistulas is due to a low immune system and possibly digestive issues.  Does anyone know if he can eventually go back to the bison, beef etc proteins? 

    Would it be safe to add rabbit in for raw if I can get him to eat it (I’m not sure if adding a different protein w/the fish will cause the fistulas to become worse)

    I”m so sorry for all the questions and long post, I’m just at my whits end without getting answers, his Vet like most Vets doesn’t know enough about nutrition and thinks food like science diet is a good food and a holistic vet I spoke to about this just said make sure he’s getting a Fresh energy rich food (aka raw) plenty of sunshine, exercise and mental stimulation.  These are all things I already know.  But it’s hard to force him to eat raw when in the past he absolutely hated it and just wouldn’t eat.

  • Shawna

    In my opinion — no.  One half teaspoon of powdered egg shell is required to balance one pound of meat (food).  It’s been a while since I pulverized egg shells but from memory one large shell makes 1/8 teaspoon of powder (I save them up and do them all at once).  If my memory is correct then it would take 4 shells per pound of meat/food or 40 shells for 10 pounds.  Plus you would need one shell for each egg used.  There is enough calcium in one shell to balance one egg.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    10# ground meat with 18 boiled eggs

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I saw a video on youtube where this guy prepared homemade diet.  He used 10# ground raw meat mixed with boiled eggs ground with shell and all.  Do you think this would sufficient calcium for an adult dog? 

  • Shawna

    No disagreements with you when discussing large breed puppies..

    I would note that glycoproteins in many foods (grains, legumes, dairy etc) are also common reasons for degenerative diseases like arthritis.  Nightshade plants (like potato and tomato) are counter indicated in arthritic patients as a cause as well as contributing factor. 

    Hound Dog Mom and I are both raw feeders and strive for the ancestral diet.  Meaning that we both feed more phos and calcium then most feeding a kibbled diet.  HDM has large breed dogs (currently showing no signs of degenerative diseases) and I have toy breed dogs including one born with kidney disease.  She has had the disease for 6 years and is still in excellent health (not pharmaceuticals, special diet, sub-q fluids etc).  Again, I think it has more to do with type (or source) then amount.  Just my opinion though…. 

  • Shawna

    Oh, totally agree about over nutrition and calcium (and therefore phosphorus) in large breed puppies.!!  Hound Dog Mom just posted a wonderful list of high quality but lower calcium foods for large breed puppies..  No disagreements from either of us on that..

    With adults and small breed puppies, I think it has more to do with the wrong kinds of calcium and their relation to all minerals and certain vitamins that has more inpact then the overall calcium amount. 

    When there is not enough calcium (the right kind — aka calcium bicarbonate) in the blood (which accounts for only 1% of calcium in the body) a fever happens when the immune system is fighting off an invader.  The fever heats up bone which then releases calcium into the blood to assist the immune system.  In humans, calcium carbonate is well digested but not well utilized by the body.  However calcium lactate and citrate are not as well digested but are more utilizable.  Carbonate can not be easily converted to bicarbonate while lactate and citrate only require the body to perform one or two conversions to make they utilizable as bicarbonate.  In my opinion, bone would have the most utilizable calcium for dogs.  All this in mind, in my opinion it has more to do with the type of calcium then the amount.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hip dysplasia is a condition that develops during puppyhood. A large or giant breed dog either has hd or doesn’t have hd by the time they are two years old. So feeding a large or giant breed dog a food higher in calcium – granted that calcium and phosphorus are in balance – during their adult years would not cause this condition to develop.

  • http://www.facebook.com/anthonyb971 Anthony Beto

    Calcium supplementation is definitely not indicated for growing dogs and is possibly harmful to most adults as well, even if phosphorus is increased in proportion. 

    Why take a chance, do so while in their adult years as well. I have seen otherwise perfectly healthy dogs wither away from hip dysplasia, arthritis, etc. Many dog ailments are a result of how they were handled in their younger years as well as genetics and I am not trying to make a blanket statement only asking you to think and make the best decisions you can for your dog.