Nutrisca Dog Food (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Nutrisca Dog Food gets the Advisor’s highest rating of five stars.

The Nutrisca product line includes three dry dog foods, each claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages.

  • Nutrisca Chicken and Chickpea Recipe
  • Nutrisca Salmon and Chickpea Recipe
  • Nutrisca Lamb and Chickpea Recipe

Nutrisca Chicken and Chickpea Recipe was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Nutrisca Chicken and Chickpea Recipe

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 36% | Fat = 20% | Carbs = 36%

Ingredients: Chicken, chicken meal, peas, chickpeas, menhaden fish meal (a source of fish oil), chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), pea fiber, pea starch, natural flavor, potassium chloride, tomato pomace, salmon oil (a source of DHA), apples, carrots, cranberries, blueberries, apricots, choline chloride, zinc proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, niacin, iron proteinate, d-calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, folic acid, calcium iodate, cobalt proteinate, biotin, selenium yeast, vitamin b12 supplement, rosemary extract

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 7.8%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis32%18%NA
Dry Matter Basis36%20%36%
Calorie Weighted Basis30%40%30%

The first ingredient in this dog food lists chicken. Although it is a quality item, raw chicken contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient is chicken meal. Chicken meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

The third ingredient mentions peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. And like all legumes, they’re rich in natural fiber.

The fourth ingredient lists chickpeas. Like peas, bean and lentils, the chickpea is a nutritious member of the fiber-rich legume family of vegetables.

However, both peas and chickpeas contain about 22-25% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The fifth ingredient is menhaden fish meal. Menhaden are small ocean fish related to herring. They’re rich in omega-3 fatty acids.

Menhaden fish meal is another high protein meat concentrate… similar to chicken meal (already discussed).

We’re pleased to note that, unlike many fish meals, this particular item1 appears to be completely ethoxyquin-free.

The sixth ingredient lists chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken, a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The seventh ingredient is pea fiber, a mixture of both soluble and insoluble dietary fiber derived from pea hulls. Aside from the usual benefits of fiber, this agricultural by-product provides no nutritional value to a dog.

The eighth ingredient is pea starch, a paste-like carbohydrate extract probably used here as a gel-like binder for making kibble.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With four notable exceptions

First, tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient, a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content, while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

Next, the salmon oil. Salmon oil is naturally rich in the prized EPA and DHA type of omega-3 fatty acids. These two high quality fats boast the highest bio-availability to dogs and humans.

Depending on its level of freshness and purity, salmon oil should be considered a commendable addition.

Thirdly, we find no mention of probiotics, friendly bacteria applied to the surface of the kibble after processing to help with digestion.

And lastly, this food does contain chelated mineralsminerals that have been chemically attached to proteins. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

Nutrisca Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

This may not just be a good dog food. But an important one, too. Nutrisca is a certified2 low glycemic product making it a serious candidate for feeding a diabetic dog.

What’s more, judging by its ingredients alone, Nutrisca dog food looks to be an above average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 36%, a fat level of 20% and estimated carbohydrates of about 36%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 34% and a mean fat level of 19%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 39% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 57%.

The above-average fiber content of 8% tends to further reduce the product’s net effective carbohydrate content.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the protein-boosting effects of the peas and chickpeas, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a notable amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Nutrisca dry dog food is a grain free kibble using a notable amount of chicken, lamb, or salmon meals as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 5 stars

Enthusiastically recommended.

Those looking for a quality wet food from the same company may wish to check out our review of Dogswell canned dog food.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

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Notes and Updates

09/10/2010 Original review
08/22/2011 Added Salmon and Chickpea Recipe
02/17/2013 Review updated
02/17/2013 Last Update

  1. Dogswell Customer Service, 9/10/2010
  2. Glycemic Research Institute
  • B

    I recently received an e-mail stating Nutrisca is putting out a cat formula this summer. I have a Cat that thinks it’s a dog so this is nice news. The salmon is my JRT’s favorite dog food.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    It appears to me the first ingredient in KUMPI is corn meal….I would never feed this. The first ingredient in quality dog food should be meat. My shih tzu has allergies and I’ve tried most holistic dog foods on the market and the only kind that lessens and actually helps her allergies is Nutrisca Salmon & Chickpea…both canned and dry. After starting her on Nutrisca, we could see a difference within 2 days….it’s been over 2 months now and she has improved remarkably. Her coat has improved from dry and brittle to soft and shiny and her skin has also cleared and not dry and flaky now. Her energy level has shot through the roof!!!!…even her eyes are brighter and appear to be open wider. Now she is happy, happy, happy!!!!!!…and so are we!!!

  • Pattyvaughn

    While it may be true that nobody has posted a negative comment about it, that is a FAR cry from “Nobody who has tried it has anything negative to say.” Kumpi is no where near even in the same class, nor does it have anywhere near the number of people feeding it.

  • Adam Sherman

    Everyone, please read the comments under KUMPI dog food page. Nobody who has tried it has anything negative to say.

  • sd_dvm

    According to their website, Nutrisca is made in the USA, unlike their jerky treats. This was a concern for me as well. :)

  • sd_dvm

    Hi! I was worried about that too, but their website says that Nutrisca is made in the US, unlike their dog treats. I hope this helps!

  • http://twitter.com/TheyCallMeDelly Delgada Jayne

    $.99 per 1 lb? Hell yeah, I’ll try it! I’m feeding TOTW right now, but I try the trial for now. I’m not big on China either.

  • http://www.waidinmiki.com/ Waidin Mi-Ki

    I’ve used several different foods over the years and found Nutrisca Lamb and Chickpea is the best I’ve found lately.  I breed tiny Mi-Ki dogs (under 8 lbs) and they never looked better.  I show in conformtion shows and good muscle tone and coat are a must.  My 7 year old, Best In Show Winning stud never looked better!  He tends to be a picky eater, but not since feeding the Nutrica.  He eats great, stools are firm (first ever) and at dog shows we always get complements on his muscle and coat condition.  I also use the freeze dried when traveling.   

  • Animal lover

    The ingredients are all sourced from USA including the lamb. If you have any questions you can email or call them direct. They respond in a timely fashion. The email is qc@dogswell.com

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  • Shonlei

    Just bought a bag today for my little pitty. Has anyone else used this and what was your experiance and opinion on this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Whoa, seriously? How insulting that s/ he would basically infer that you aren’t capable of doing your own research and deciding whom YOU trust. Unless the good doctor also added that only big companies have the funding to pay off hundreds of dead pet owners when their product kills your beloved dog then that would make sense.

  • Carolk43

    My vet said  that Nutrisca ”sounds good” but because the company (Dogswell) is small, if there is a recall in the future the company will go out of business and leave the consumer holding the bag (literally) and possibly a sick or dead animal. He said, “The food should be from a respectable, established, nationally recognized manufacturer.  Only these companies have enough funds to conduct proper quality control and nutritional research.”

  • Johnandchristo

    Hi sophiebailei,

    Thank you for posting that link. It was interesting.

  • sophiebailei

    I’m responding in hope that many will read this:  If you are feeding your babies commercial dog food this is a must read….especially if you are feeding kibble.  http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/12/05/nutritionists-promote-pet-food-brands.aspx

  • Brian

    Thanks, I tried my dog on it for a few weeks, but it has too much fiber, poop volume increased and soft stools over what I was feeding prior which was TOTW Pacific Stream.  I was directed to the food by Nzymes due to it being potato free and my dog has some yeast issues.

  • EvesHumanMom

    Hi Brian,

    It states in the review above that “We’re pleased to note that, unlike many fish meals, this particular item1 appears to be completely ethoxyquin-free.” About where it the ingredients are sourced, though, you should contact them.

  • Brian

    Say’s “Made in USA” but little is known if it’s with Chinese sourced ingredients or not?

    I am scared to give it to my Dog after reading this.

    Also no info on whether or not the Fish is Ethoxquin free or not?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TNPHKHWRWSHXTGB3UGHKF7MOUM Tracy

    I gradually started switching to Nutrisca dry and the freeze dried treat. My dog started throwing up at day 3. I have mixed in others dry foods before and have never experienced this before. She is a 3 yr border collie.

  • ohnoesaz

    Hi Sandy. You can add EVO salmon and herring to that great grain free/potato free list

  • doggonefedup

    AlexM2012,
    You mentioned coconut oil. That supplies 1/2 of the E-complex. You may want to look into palm fruit oil for the other half of the e-complex. Also natural vitamin C. Licorice Root and Dong Quai are natural anti-inflammatory replacements for steroids. 

  • doggonefedup

    AlexM2012,
    Sorry it took so long to reply to you. Today was last day of the Garlic Festival……Had to go…..100′s of kinds of garlic…I like garlic but garlic ice cream and garlic coffee???
        Turkey skin and turkey fat can cause a reaction with some dogs. It usually means the digestive tract has been compromised. IE “leaky gut”or “pancreatic reaction”.
     Lard (pig fat) is better than any other land based animal fat.     
     You can get our dog to eat or do anything, just be smarter than him. You want him to eat raw…start by cooking it. If you must, add a pinch of sea salt. Slowly remove the salt and cook less and less until he is eating completely raw. KFC diet (Kibble, Fresh, Canned) with a random rotation may be the best way to go right now.
     Some things I will not discuss on an open forum. You can email me using my AOL address mm1jj2m and I will be happy to help any way I can. Let me know what area you live at, and what you have been able to do so far. Steroids occur naturally in some meat based foods. DHEA for example is a natural hormone that can assist in the  production of natural steroids in the body.

  • AlexM2012

     Hi Betsy, 

    I’ll have to keep the Dr Bronners and Tea tree in mind, I have both in my house (I make my own cleaning products and use both of these in my spray cleaner for my counter tops) I did try the tea tree oil diluted when my dog first got the fistulas but it didn’t seam to help but it may help the yeast!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Ah ha!  Thanks Aimee!  I did figure it out then, didn’t I?!  Why didn’t my expensive dermatologist ever tell me this before?  

    Anyway, I knew you’d help me out so I figured it would make sense to reply to you.  I was actually thinking of Alex when I posted, but it was your information that got me thinking about fungus and all in the first place today.  : ) 

    When I was reading about using tea tree essential oil, the instructions for use did say to dilute the tea tree essential oil with a carrier oil such as almond oil, apricot, avocado or olive oil.  I can tolerate it full strength, but would suggest others dilute it first until they see how their skin reacts.  

  • aimee

    Hi Betsy,

    None of my dogs have any yeast issues but I have heard that Tea Tree oil can be used on dogs as long as not to concentrated of a solution is used.

    Yeast in dogs is secondary to seborrhea and allergies sounds like you found that the same applies to people as well. 

  • Johnandchristo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiswuGyRUEk
    This is a good film to help everyone understand what it is we are talking about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Hmm, this makes me recall some of my research as it relates to my own human skin.  

    My daughter and I both have Seborrheic Dermatitis.  I believe I’m a rather “fungusy” sort of person and the research I did online ended up bringing me to this same Malassezia issue.   If I’m not mistaken, and I know others here will help me out with this, Malassezia is a genus of fungi.  For me, it seems, that the fungus only becomes problematic when there’s been a break in the skin or there isn’t sufficient sloughing of “old” cells.  

    So, without getting too confusing, I started to realize I also needed to get rid of the fungus.  I happen to have on hand a bottle of Dr. Bronner’s Magic Soap in tea tree… I got that out and started using it… viola!  Slowly, it started getting rid of layer after layer of dead fungusy/yeasty skin cells.  BTW, Dr. Bronner’s is fantastic stuff:  http://www.drbronner.com/DBMS/TEA.htm.  You can order it online at their website or pick up a bottle at Target.  

    I have since picked up a one ounce bottle of pharmaceutical grade tea tree oil for spot treatments. Check with your vet, of course, but I wonder if using an anti-fungal tea tree wash might help you, too.  

  • Johnandchristo

    Hi Aimee…..

    I had a good time with my family making those videos.
    I have also trained my Flat Coat Dugan, to retrieve, at that beach. (when he was still living). I’m not to worried about rip tides. they don’t effect the surface of the water. They effect the bottom, IE, people standing in the water ect. I’ve been surfing for 30 years now. Worked on a beach for 20 years, before working with Alzheimers patients. 

    The link for dogs( second one) said at the end that more studies were needed. The other one (third one )was for Humans. All though I think its best to avoid all carbs, when feeding a kibble you cant. But I would choose tapioca over potato or grain any time.

    Dr Mike rates all dogs foods mostly on there meat content. 
    I could not agree more. True I don’t like potato. But I always like to add a “IMO” because that is what I”m saying.It is IMO. :)

    I have had a lot of dogs, none have ever thrived on a food like Christo. So when someone is looking for help feeding their dog I like to share my good as well as bad experiences with them. 

    I truly believe Christo is such a powerful and healthy dog as a result of his diet. So how could I not pass that on? As I said a healthy meal is not a substitute for medicine, but nutrition is the foundation of heath. I’d bet Fish and tapioca would beat fish and potato any day.

  • aimee

    Hi Johnandchristo,

    Wanted to let you know I’ve enjoyed the videos of Christo. Have to say though that my heart nearly stopped on that long retieve…I was so afraid a rip tide would catch him.

    Fish/Potato diet has often been used for the problem of fistula which is why my friend used it. At the time it was a novel treatment first advanced by Michigan Vet School. Studies with fistula continue to use fish/potato with good results.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981195

    I know you are biased against potato. I’m not as my dog signs all resolved once I placed him on a potato based food. 

    P.S. This study, the only one I know of that measured the glycemic index of cassava starch(tapioca) in dogs, found it to be similar to corn and rice.  

    “Dogs’ immediate post-prandial glucose and insulin responses (AUC < or = 30 min) were greater for brewer's rice, corn, and cassava flour diets"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18477314

    This is a human study in which tapioca had the highest glycemic response of starches tested.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/50/2/315.long
     

     

  • Johnandchristo

    Thanks Alex, 

    If its a fat loving yeast or not, feeding carbs (that have high glycemic indexes)is the wrong diet for a dog. Raw is best. Maybe (as I do) raw and grain and white potato free. For my dog that made all the difference. Enzymes, stabilized probiotics, prebiotics, will help a lot. High carb foods that contain tons of red flag ingredients, will not help your dog. And may contribute to other and more serious problems down the road. IMO, avoid the big brands they sell in supermarkets, and try to find a more natural kibble. Dog thrive on meat. horses thrive on grains. Its a no brainier. A healthy meal is not a substitute for medicine. But nutrition is the foundation of health. I have had excellent results using Brothers Complete. I also mix raw. but my dog mostly gets kibble. The grain based kibbles nearly ruined his health completely. Avoid grain and white potato. 

  • InkedMarie

    I am SO fortunate. My dogs eat anything put in their bowl, Darwins included.

  • aimee

    Hi Alex,

    My friend’s Shephard had fistlas. It was a long time ago so treatments may have changed. But she was able to take the dog off all drugs and maintain on diet alone. I remember she used Iams Fish and potato.

    Here are links to a few studies that used a drug similar to cyclosporin but in a ointment form on the area with good outcome. I don’t know if you tried that yet.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10945128

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19681720

    Also if your dog has a yeast infection on the skin it is very very very rare for it to be a carb loving yeast. It is a fat loving yeast called Malassezia so carbs in the diet don’t make any difference in treatment. Good Luck!

  • AlexM2012

     Thanks Johnandchristo!  That will make it easier for me to do rotations so I know I won’t be feeding the same thing all the time!

  • AlexM2012

     ;) You are the best!  That did the trick I put hot water in a bigger bowl then let his bowl of raw sit in it for a few minutes while I added a small amount of meat from last nights dinner, he just ate his whole bowl of raw!  Thank you so much :D

  • Johnandchristo

    Hi AlexM2012….

    Nightshade : any of a genus (solanum of the family Solanaceae, the nightshade family) which comprises herbs, shrubs, and trees with alternate leaves, cymose flowers, and fruits that are berries and includes some poisonous weeds, various ornamentals, and important crop plants ( as potato, eggplant, peppers) as well as belladonna.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    The nice folks at Darwin’s sent me this info a little while back about how to encourage interest in their raw.  I would think that you could use some of these ideas with other raw products as well.  Here you go:  

    You can try these tips if you haven’t already (singly or in combo): 1.            Adding cheese or canned food is usually a good trick to start with. Also adding spices can increase interest.2.            You can feed Darwins very warm.  You can either float it in its bag in hot water or, at least to start, cook it a little on the stove or in the oven.  This will release some of the fat molecules in the meat and hopefully overcome some of the veggie smell.  Also put just a small amount in the bowl.  No sense wasting food and also a small amount might be less intimidating.  Add more if your dog eats the first offering.3.            Mix either straight ground meat or some healthy table scraps into the Darwins.  Some people find that mixing ground meat into the Darwin’s at a ratio of about 30-50 percent warm Darwins with 70-50 percent fresh ground meat for a few days will convince their dog to start eating Darwin’s.4.            At first only feed the meat variety that your dog is used to eating.   Also, it seems that many dogs take to the turkey and chicken faster than to the beef.  It might be the smell of the meat itself or it might be that the beef contains bone meal instead of ground pieces of bone and some dogs don’t like the smell of bone meal.  Also, I think the red meat variety smells more of organ meat than do the chicken or turkey.  Unfortunately the veggie smell is the first noticed smell and it is the same in all Darwin’s varieties; so dogs who didn’t like their first meat variety might think that all the Darwin’s is the same since it all smells the same.  That’s when using trick 3 is helpful to get them started by cutting the percentage of vegetables and, thus, reducing the smell.5.            Warmed chicken or beef broth poured over the food to make a soup or stew sometimes works, if your dog will eat a very wet food.  Some do not like soup.6.            Make sure your dog is good and hungry and don’t feed anything else if the Darwin’s is refused.  Just try again next meal. .  Easier to get a child to eat broccoli if he or she hasn’t had access to McDonalds for the past few meals.7.            Cook the food like a meat loaf (325 for 30 – 40 minutes or so) and start there.  You can mix in raw Darwin’s with the crumbled cooked loaf slowly until you are transitioned. Or mix the crumbled loaf into the food that your dog is used to eating and then transition to raw once you have convinced him/her to eat it cooked.8.            Adding Green Tripe to our meals is an excellent idea for notoriously picky eaters.  It is highly palatable, and considered a “superfood” for dogs.  We do offer Green Tripe in 1lb packages, and can be added to your standard order any time. 

  • AlexM2012

     What are nightshades?  The three foods I somewhat like for my dog all have legumes in them (chickpeas in two of them and lentils in the other), Zignautre, Darford and Dogswell.  I liked the ingredients and protein to carb ratio of Evo until someone mentioned Proctor & Gamble bought them out uhgg.  Wysong Epigen also looks decent and doesn’t have any potato, rice, grains or legumes.  I only want to feed one meal as kibble though his morning I really want to do raw if I could just get him to eat it :(

  • AlexM2012

     Doggonefedup thank you so much, your the first person I’ve met who has dealt with fistulas.  My dogs Vet has put him on two rounds of Clavamox & cyclosporin as well as prednisone.  He was on the prednisone 20mg twice a day, he is still on it 20mg every other day, as soon as we try to take him off of the prednisone the fistulas start to come back hence wanting to put him on MSM with Glucosamine but I don’t know if there is any
    interaction with the prednisone, I also thought of giving turmeric. . 

    I have just this week started him on the program from http://www.nzymes.com which has probiotics, enzymes etc in it.  I started this to combat the  yeast overgrowth on his body.  I will definitely look into Artemisinin.

    I still haven’t decided on a new food, even if you give my dog fresh turkey from Thanksgiving dinner he will have an allergic reaction to it same thing if you give him too much home cooked chicken.  I had to go to the pet store yesterday to get more shampoo vet approved one over the counter shampoo instead of having to use the prescription shampoo while I was there I picked up one bag of OC Salmon raw I gave him one patty yesterday he loved it I thought great I finally found one he likes, however this morning I gave him two patties and he turned his nose up to it, I don’t understand why he doesn’t like raw you would think it comes naturally to them.  I liked this raw because it has no carbs in it and they also make it in goat and rabbit two proteins he has not had which should be ok to introduce w/the fistulas. 

    They do speak of leaky gut on the nzymes.com site I had never head of that until I went to their site.  Did your vet put your dog on prednisone?  I really don’t want to keep my dog on this stuff that is why I would love to put him on the msm glucosamine and turmeric.  If your dog was on steroids how did you wean them off and did you use something else that was more natural for the inflammation?  I know with a better diet  it will help the fistulas I am just concerned w/him being on the steroids for so long. 

    My dogs’ fistulas weren’t/aren’t as bad as that photo :( Poor dog.  I caught it before it got to that extent.  I clean his behind after every bathroom so I keep an eye on it daily, that is how I knew when the vet tried to take him off the prednisone that he was starting to show inflammation again.  The long term use of the steroid is starting to weaken his back legs (the vet told me this would be one of the side affects) I have to squat down and let him use my leg as a stair now to get him into my SUV. 

    Sorry your dog had to go through this but I’m grateful to have found someone who has combated it.

  • AlexM2012

    Thank you so much for your reply, It’s so good to know you have combated this. Should I give my dog the Secure and Geneflora while he is on the http://www.nzymes.com program?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Thanks Shawna.  But what if you’re rotating foods that all contain lectins?  And the same with nightshades? Aren’t you giving them a constant source of something potentially problematic or is it a synergistic thing with each different food ~ the body uses them differently based on each different food as a whole?

  • Shawna

    Like others have mentioned, I haven’t been able to post since yesterday afternoon.  I’m babysitting tonight so just popping in for a quick post.

    I agree with the others Betsy..  Lectins (the proteins in legumes/potatoes/grains etc) are less of an issue when foods are rotated.  I don’t think there is such a thing as rotating too often either.  I switch kibble types with each new bag.  And I buy the small size bags.  You don’t have to rotate that often but it is okay to do so..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    OK, that makes me feel better.  

    If anything, I’m trying to resist the urge not to rotate too often.  

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    As Storm’s Mom said, rotating helps when you’re worried about certain ingredients.  I will only use a small bag of Instinct Duck & Turkey with canola a couple times a year in between my usual kibble just for variety.  Actually I think I serve enough of a variety now so that I don’t have to use a different kibble every now and then.  I use to not feed anything but kibble so I would try different ones.  But now I also feed canned and raw so I’m really giving them a variety even if I stuck to one kibble.  Old habits die hard!

  • doggonefedup

    AlexM2012,
     Please do scroll down to the post you made this morning. My reply and suggestion to you That I posted right after you just now appeared And I think you need to read it.  

  • InkedMarie

    I’m not sure if this is just to Sandy or any of us but I use Darwins, a pre made raw, at breakfast and Brothers Allergy in the afternoon

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Try kibble/wet at dinner so it has overnight to stew so to speak.  Raw is quicker to digest.  And yes I do mix my food up but my crew are accustomed to it. Maybe you could try a homemade raw.  There’s a Yeast Starvation Diet at homemadedogfood.com. 

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    You can make your diet simlple: Paleo Diet = NO PROCESSED FOODS!  But that is really the hard part!

  • Storm’s Mom

    Betsy Greer – The legume/nightshade/canola oil isn’t as problematic or bothersome if you rotate among a few different kibbles – one that has whatever ingredient, one that does not, etc etc. It’s the buildup of these that is problematic – rotation obviously means less buildup.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Holy moly!  Once again, I have discovered how very little I seem to know about so many things in life… not the least of which is dog food.  

    I’ve scoured the list of grain and potato free foods and have looked for those that contain primarily meat in the first five, or so, ingredients.  The legume thing didn’t bother me as much before as it does now; that and the nightshade thing.  I was already trying to steer clear of canola oil as well.  So now, admittedly, I admit that once again I’m stumped.  Once again, it appears as though I’ll spend another Saturday night researching kibble.  

    Sadly, I put no where near this much energy into my own diet.  ; )

  • AlexM2012

    Thank you Sandy so much this list helps a lot.  ;) Still haven’t chosen one though grrr.  The kit from nzymes.com has digestive enzymes in it as well as probiotics.  I also put organic flaxseed oil in his morning food and organic coconut oil in his dinner.  His breeder suggested Turmeric and MSM with glucosamine for inflammation (in hopes I can get him off the steroid).  Do you give kibble/wet and raw?  I’m going to try my dog on kibble/wet in the morning and raw at night, I hope I can find a raw food he will eat.  

  • Lori

    Thank you for the list I was going to try to put one together for my use.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Great Life, Great Life Limited ingredient and Pioneer Naturals do not use chicken fat.

    http://www.doctorsfinest.com/category_s/66.htm

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Natures Variety Instinct Limited Ingredient Diet does not have chicken fat.

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    I’ve fed Nutrisca Salmon, Great Life GF Salmon and Buffalo, and Horizon Amicus but not long term.  I also give probiotics/enzymes to help with digestion. 

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    Here’s the long list of grain/potato free foods (mostly  kibbles):  Sorry I haven’t gone through them all but these include foods that are legume-based, just pea-based or sweet potato based, or tapioca.  And I definitely haven’t looked to see if they have chicken fat.

    EVO Weight Management
    Great Life Grain Free
    Innova Prime
    D.N.A.
    California Naturals Grain-Free
    Epigen Fish
    I and Love and You (OnlyNaturalPet.com)
    Nature’s Select Grain-Free
    Victor Grain-Free
    Avoderm Rotating Menu
    Precise Holistic Complete Grain-Free
    Spring Naturals
    Zignature
    Darford Zero-G
    Dogswell Nutrisca
    Canine Caviar Grain-Free
    Brother’s Complete
    Back to Basics
    Grandma Lucy’s Pureformance
    NRG Maxim
    The Honest Kitchen Zeal
    Sojos
    ZiwiPeak
    Evanger’s Grain-Free
    Freehand 4 Energize GF
    Pioneer Naturals (same company as Great Life)
    Red Moon Chicken and Yellow Pea Medley
    Nutri Source Grain-Free
    Grandma Mae’s Grain-Free Formula
    Pet Botanics Healthy Omega
    Horizon Pulsar
    Horizon Legacy
    Horizon Amicus
    NuTripe
    Natures Variety Instinct
    Earthborn (Meadow Feast, Great Plains Feast)
    Real Meat Company
    Nutram Grain-Free

    Merrick Grain Free has several single protein canned foods to chose from and also I think Hound and Gatos.  It’s interesting that he has a reaction to chicken fat as it is processed so that there is no chicken protein in the fat.

  • Bob K

     Alex – If you really love your dog, keep very accurate records of what he eats, what shampoos you have been using and what drugs you have tried.  There are Vet specialists for allergies and dermatology.  I suggest you find one.  https://www.acvd.org/

  • InkedMarie

    I’ve never fed those foods; when Natura Pet was bought out by Proctor & Gamble, I decided I’d rather not. I would, if those were the only foods I could feed. Dogswell had a recall recently, not to food, I don’t believe but to treats (someone correct me if I’m wrong) so that doesn’t make me happy but then again, it wasn’t the food. 
    Have you thought about trying Brothers Allergy, which is turkey or the Brothers fish formula? I have a dog who cannot have chicken but he does fine on turkey. You have to order it, go to the “B” list of foods, find the two Brothers and read up. 

  • AlexM2012

    I’ve been reading the posts on this board for a few days trying to make a decision and well I can’t seem to chose a new food was wondering if you all could help.  I have a 9 yr old German Shepherd, he has been on Orijen 6 fish for the last year but I have to change his food.  A year and a half ago my dog developed perianal fistulas he was on immuno suppressant drugs and two prednisones per day for this.  He is still on the steroid one every other day, every time we try to ween him off the fistulas come back.  He has now developed an overgrowth of yeast on his skin every time I bring him back to the vets for this all they do is give me antibiotics and tell me to give him a bath every three to four days w/a medicated shampoo this yeast problem has been going on for a few months.  I contacted his breeder she said to try the products at nzymes.com I just got the skin kit from nzymes.com and they recommended I put him on a different food, one that does not contain potatoes.  He has always been allergic to any dog food that has any type of chicken or chicken fat etc, so that puts a limit on choosing a dog food (I couldn’t believe how many dog food companies use chicken fat in their other protein kibbles).  When he first got the fistulas I had read to put him on a protein he had never been on hence choosing fish, since his old diet consisted mainly of beef or bison (I have tried him on turkey but he gets the same type of allergy reaction like he does on chicken).   The food he used to be on was taste of the wild bison and venison and the beef and lamb.  Right now I have narrowed the new kibble down to Innova Prime Grain free (salmon and herring), Evo (herring and salmon) and Dogswell Nutrisca (Salmon) the things I don’t want in a new kibble are grains, potatoes, chicken, soy and because of the fistulas I don’t know if I can put him back on beef, bison, venison or lamb.  After reading all the posts on here (on the nutrisca, evo and innova pages) I got a little iffy about the legumes (chick peas, lentils etc). 

    My goal is to feed him a combination of dry, can and raw foods, although I have tried him on prepared commercial raw several times and he wouldn’t eat it (I have tried him on raw over a few years)

    So I guess my question is which of these three kibbles do you think he would do best on? 

    Do you know of a canned food you think would work for him w/the limited protein he can eat? 

    My understanding for both the yeast and fistulas is due to a low immune system and possibly digestive issues.  Does anyone know if he can eventually go back to the bison, beef etc proteins? 

    Would it be safe to add rabbit in for raw if I can get him to eat it (I’m not sure if adding a different protein w/the fish will cause the fistulas to become worse)

    I”m so sorry for all the questions and long post, I’m just at my whits end without getting answers, his Vet like most Vets doesn’t know enough about nutrition and thinks food like science diet is a good food and a holistic vet I spoke to about this just said make sure he’s getting a Fresh energy rich food (aka raw) plenty of sunshine, exercise and mental stimulation.  These are all things I already know.  But it’s hard to force him to eat raw when in the past he absolutely hated it and just wouldn’t eat.

  • Shawna

    In my opinion — no.  One half teaspoon of powdered egg shell is required to balance one pound of meat (food).  It’s been a while since I pulverized egg shells but from memory one large shell makes 1/8 teaspoon of powder (I save them up and do them all at once).  If my memory is correct then it would take 4 shells per pound of meat/food or 40 shells for 10 pounds.  Plus you would need one shell for each egg used.  There is enough calcium in one shell to balance one egg.

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    10# ground meat with 18 boiled eggs

  • Sophie Bai Lei

    I saw a video on youtube where this guy prepared homemade diet.  He used 10# ground raw meat mixed with boiled eggs ground with shell and all.  Do you think this would sufficient calcium for an adult dog? 

  • Shawna

    No disagreements with you when discussing large breed puppies..

    I would note that glycoproteins in many foods (grains, legumes, dairy etc) are also common reasons for degenerative diseases like arthritis.  Nightshade plants (like potato and tomato) are counter indicated in arthritic patients as a cause as well as contributing factor. 

    Hound Dog Mom and I are both raw feeders and strive for the ancestral diet.  Meaning that we both feed more phos and calcium then most feeding a kibbled diet.  HDM has large breed dogs (currently showing no signs of degenerative diseases) and I have toy breed dogs including one born with kidney disease.  She has had the disease for 6 years and is still in excellent health (not pharmaceuticals, special diet, sub-q fluids etc).  Again, I think it has more to do with type (or source) then amount.  Just my opinion though…. 

  • Shawna

    Oh, totally agree about over nutrition and calcium (and therefore phosphorus) in large breed puppies.!!  Hound Dog Mom just posted a wonderful list of high quality but lower calcium foods for large breed puppies..  No disagreements from either of us on that..

    With adults and small breed puppies, I think it has more to do with the wrong kinds of calcium and their relation to all minerals and certain vitamins that has more inpact then the overall calcium amount. 

    When there is not enough calcium (the right kind — aka calcium bicarbonate) in the blood (which accounts for only 1% of calcium in the body) a fever happens when the immune system is fighting off an invader.  The fever heats up bone which then releases calcium into the blood to assist the immune system.  In humans, calcium carbonate is well digested but not well utilized by the body.  However calcium lactate and citrate are not as well digested but are more utilizable.  Carbonate can not be easily converted to bicarbonate while lactate and citrate only require the body to perform one or two conversions to make they utilizable as bicarbonate.  In my opinion, bone would have the most utilizable calcium for dogs.  All this in mind, in my opinion it has more to do with the type of calcium then the amount.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Hip dysplasia is a condition that develops during puppyhood. A large or giant breed dog either has hd or doesn’t have hd by the time they are two years old. So feeding a large or giant breed dog a food higher in calcium – granted that calcium and phosphorus are in balance – during their adult years would not cause this condition to develop.

  • http://www.facebook.com/anthonyb971 Anthony Beto

    Calcium supplementation is definitely not indicated for growing dogs and is possibly harmful to most adults as well, even if phosphorus is increased in proportion. 

    Why take a chance, do so while in their adult years as well. I have seen otherwise perfectly healthy dogs wither away from hip dysplasia, arthritis, etc. Many dog ailments are a result of how they were handled in their younger years as well as genetics and I am not trying to make a blanket statement only asking you to think and make the best decisions you can for your dog.