Canidae Grain Free Pure (Dry)

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Rating: ★★★★★

Canidae Grain Free Pure Sky dry dog food receives the Advisor’s highest rating of 5 stars.

Canidae Grain Free Pure includes four dry dog foods, each claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages.

  • Canidae Grain Free Pure Sky
  • Canidae Grain Free Pure Sea
  • Canidae Grain Free Pure Land
  • Canidae Grain Free Pure Elements

Canidae Grain Free Pure Sky dry dog food was chosen to represent both products in the line for this review.

Canidae Grain Free Pure Sky

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 36% | Fat = 18% | Carbs = 39%

Ingredients: Duck, turkey meal, sweet potatoes, peas, potato protein, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), tomato pomace, natural flavor, salt, choline chloride, natural mixed tocopherols, suncured alfalfa meal, inulin (from chicory root), lecithin, sage extract, cranberries, beta-carotene, rosemary extract, sunflower oil, Yucca schidigera extract, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, papaya, pineapple.

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.4%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis32%16%NA
Dry Matter Basis36%18%39%
Calorie Weighted Basis30%37%33%

The first ingredient in this dog food is duck. Although it is a quality item, raw duck contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost… reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

Which brings us to turkey meal… the second and (more likely) the dominant meat ingredient in the finished dog food.

Turkey meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh turkey.

The third ingredient is sweet potato. Sweet potatoes are a good source of complex carbohydrates in a dog food. They are naturally rich in fiber, beta carotene and other healthy nutrients.

The fourth item lists peas. Peas are a quality source of carbohydrates. Plus (like all legumes) they’re rich in natural fiber.

However, peas contain about 25% protein… a factor that must be considered when evaluating the total protein reported in this food.

The fifth ingredient includes potato protein… the dry residue remaining after removing the starchy part of a potato.

Even though it contains over 80% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

This less expensive plant-based ingredient can significantly boost the total protein content reported in this dog food.

The sixth ingredient mentions chicken fat. Chicken fat is obtained from rendering chicken… a process similar to making soup in which the fat itself is skimmed from the surface of the liquid.

Chicken fat is high in linoleic acid… an omega-6 fatty acid essential for life. Although it doesn’t sound very appetizing, chicken fat is actually a quality ingredient.

The seventh ingredient is tomato pomace. Tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient… a by-product remaining after processing tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content… while others scorn it as an inexpensive pet food filler.

Just the same, there’s probably not enough tomato pomace here to make much of a difference.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to have much of an effect on the overall rating of this product.

With two notable exceptions

First, the manufacturer appears to have applied friendly bacteria to the surface of the kibble after cooking. These special probiotics are used to enhance a dog’s digestive and immune functions.

And lastly, this recipe also contains chelated mineralsminerals that have been chemically attached to amino acids. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are generally found in better dog foods.

Canidae Grain Free Pure Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Canidae Grain Free Pure dry dog food looks to be an above-average kibble.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 36%, a fat level of 18% and an estimated carbohydrate content of 39%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 36% and a mean fat level of 19%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 37% for the overall product line.

Above-average protein. Above-average fat. And below-average carbohydrates when compared to a typical dry dog food.

Even when you consider the protein-boosting effect of the peas and potato protein, this is still the profile of a kibble containing a significant amount of meat.

Bottom line?

Canidae Grain Free Pure dry dog food is a plant-based kibble using a generous amount of amount of poultry, lamb and fish meals as its main sources of animal protein… thus earning the brand 5 stars.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Those looking for a quality wet food from the same company may wish to visit our review of Canidae Grain Free Canned Dog Food.

A Final Word

This review is designed to help you make a more informed decision when buying dog food. However, our rating system is not intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in specific health benefits for your pet.

For a better understanding of how we analyzed this product, please be sure to read our article, “The Problem with Dog Food Reviews

Remember, no dog food can possibly be appropriate for every life stage, lifestyle or health condition. So, choose wisely. And when in doubt consult a veterinarian for help.

Have an opinion about this dog food… or maybe the review itself? Please know… we welcome your comments.

Notes and Updates

12/06/2009 Original review
07/17/2010 Review updated
11/09/2010 Upgraded (ethoxyquin free)
04/12/2011 Review updated (major product line change)
04/12/2011 Last Update

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  • Bob K

    Angela – Can you provide specific examples of your claims? Do you have a case number? Recent judgements? or any other concrete proof of judgements and payoffs from Canidae? How about a few websites that contain proof?

  • charlie

    The complaints were from a few years ago when they changed their formula. Most dogs will get sick if their food is switched or changed….. but overall this is a great food. Several companies to include timberwolf has had backlash like this. Bottom line is try it. My dog can not eat a high protein dog food like Evo. We tried a SLOW switch over weeks and he always had diarrhea. It’s not EVO’s fault. He just has a more sensitive tummy… Poor guy :)

  • Angela

    Before anyone buys this food search the web for all the complaints and lawsuits currently against Canidae. They have admitted to problems and paid customers off big time. I would be recommend their products anymore.

  • bv

    I have spent hours trying to find my puppy the perfect food, and (for now) this is what I’ve settled on. My only problem is that I can’t seem to find many other dog owners who have actually tried this food for their pet…most on this comment board are talking about other types of food. Any others out there what are your thoughts?

    My puppy (shichon 12 lbs) was on BLUE chicken and rice but has very itchy skin. After a lot of research I determined that Orijen was the best and started the switch. He did not take well to it AT ALL…he had runny stool for weeks. I introduced it as slowly as possibly but it was just too much protein for him. I wanted him on an ultra premium brand that was lower in protein but also grain free. The people at my local pet store (who were VERY knowledgeable..I know, because I have done probably 10 or more hours of research on all things dog food) pointed me to PureLand Bison and Lamb, which is a lower protein content than the others. It’s been a few days but he is taking to it beautifully and already there is less itching. I will update on progress but so far so good. (p.s. this company is local to my area and the pet store owners know the founder. Apparently, this particular pure line took 1.5 years and millions of dollars to develop…so, we’ll see)

  • Maria

    Thank you all!!! I am so glad I found this discussion.

  • Jan (Mom to Cavs)

    Maria,
    Another food that looks close to the homecooked ingredients is Halo (canned…they do have a dry food out now). I, too, like Nature’s Variety and Earthborn Holistic foods. I’m using the Nature’s Variety premade raw for my 4 dogs (3 Cavalier King Charles Spaniels and a mixed breed) and they are doing wonderful. Please go to their website http://www.naturesvariety.com and check them out. If you sign up for their newsletter, you will receive a coupon.

  • Gordon

    Melissa – I, in Australia can not get any of the Champion Food dog foods, being any Orijen or Acana formula. In fact, Australia, apart from the mainstream dog food crap foods available worldwide, can only get 4 currently grain free 5 star kibble foods. So we Australians are even less exposed to more better options than you Americans.

  • Melissa

    Greece! LOL, the internet is a wonderful thing, is it not? Apparently then everyone but us in the good old USA can get the other products. Its a shame-I have heard many good things about the “regular” Acana line and would love to try some.

  • Aris

    melissa
    i didn’t know that,that’s weird… i am in Greece by the way :) ))

  • melissa

    Aris-

    You must be in Canada-Those in the states can not get any of the Acana products except for the grain free due to the inclusion if Milk Thistle in the other products they make-

    I agree however that the Acana products are very good and do seem to work wonders!

  • http://brotherscomplete.com Richard Darlington

    Maria

    Seems Sandy, who is always helpful, must not have seen this thread to give you her list of grain and potato free kibbles. I’ve come up with 6 of them, in alphabetical order, by looking down Mike S’s list of dog foods by name. I’ve probably missed a few but the ones I found are:

    Amicus
    Brothers Complete
    Canine Caviar
    Dogswell Nutrisca
    Earthborn Great Plains Feast
    Natures Variety Instinct

    You can always add a bit of frozen commercial raw or some canned meat that is 5 star. I do want to reiterate that our experience with hundreds and hundreds of dogs in our store over the years is that adding digestive enzymes and active probiotics is very valuable if they are not in the kibble you are using.

    Unfortunately, the probiotics that are added to most kibbles are activated too soon by the 10% moisture in the kibble so they are mostly dead by the time your dog eats them. Either add probiotics to the food right before you feed your dogs or look for “encapsulated probiotics”.

  • Aris

    Hi Maria
    I honestly admire your interest and love for dogs as well as your ability to stay calm when other people tend to be rude!
    Another suggestion would be that you may want to look at products from Acana
    http://www.championpetfoods.com/acana/products.php
    My girlfriend’s cocker spaniel is 2 years old and has been diagnosed with Addison’s disease. The vets assured her that Hill’s, Pro plan, Royal Canin, etc. were good foods so she fed her dog Hill’s. The dog would get tired very easily, her coat was dull, she would scratch her body very frequently, and her tongue and gums were whitish. I was furious with her and changed the dog food to acana light&fit. Three weeks have gone by and the dog is simply thriving (shiny coat, full of energy, tongue and gums are now deep pink). Anyway, it seems that what you fed your dogs is very close to the ingredients of acana. if your dogs have any allergies you can also try the lamb&apple formula of the same company. I know my bullmastiff wouldn’t switch from cooked meal to kibble just like that, so maybe you may want to mix some food you prepared for a few weeks and gradually make the switch.
    hope this helps a bit. best of wishes!!!!

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    It would be a shame for someone to switch from home cooking to kibble. I’ll repeat my suggestion, mostly for the benefit of readers who want to know that there are superior options in commercial raw dog food:
    For superior nutrition, without the hassle of home preparation, you might consider finding a human-grade canned dog food, or raw frozen or raw dehydrated.
    Look at some of the options at this link:
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/raw/5-star/

  • Gordon

    Maria – I wasn’t going to add my 2 cents, since you had a few respond. However, the problems re skin allergies and itching you describe when your dogs are on lesser quality commercial foods, could be resolved with out the need to cook or home prepare their food yourself. Instead, have you considered any of the commercially available raw formulas? BARF (Biologically Appropriate Raw Foods) for dogs come in several brand supplies and you simply thaw same in the fridge from the freezer for 12 to 24 hours prior to serving your dogs.

    This would be the second best available option behind home preparing raw formulations and ahead of actual cooking for dogs. I guess it also depends on what your budget is like and whether you have some access to any of the 5 star raw brands listed on this site.

    I could almost go out on a limb here and comfortably say that your dogs’ skin allergies would disappear after a couple of months after putting them on such a diet.

    Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide.

  • Maria

    Thank you so much Juanita!

  • Juanita P

    Maria…I also have little dogs with allergies, itching and ear infections, and am always looking for a better food, two weeks ago I switched my five dogs to Natures Variety Praire Beef & Barley Melody, they where previously eat Solid Gold dog food. I like the results I am seeing so far, softer skin and alot less itching and firmer stools. Maybe two weeks is not a long enough time for results but you may want to check their foods out, I think for a dog kibble they have good ingredients, they also have a grain free kibble called Instinct. Here is a link to their site http://www.naturesvariety.com/, if you sign up to their email they send coupons also. Hope this may help you out.

  • Maria

    Hi, ShamelessRawFoodie

    I do not quite know what you mean by: “Oh my! Did you stop preparing meals for yourself, too? Hopefully you didn’t switch to Fast Food?”, which is completely immaterial for purposes of this discussion. Were you just joking? However, for clarification, my pets and I occasionally eat the same thing, but never every day-I would have thought that would go without saying, I did not want to make my previous post even longer than it was. I recently discovered that my blood sugars are too high. My diet changed radically, needless to say, they cannot eat the same food I eat-I imagine they would starve.

    To your comment: “Strange with all the detail you provided that you didn’t include the name(s) of the commercial dog food brands you tried four months ago.” Four months ago, I went to PetSmart and bought a small bag of lamb and rice something or other, dry food. Did I mention I am an older lady? Nothing strange about not remembering the brand name of a bag of dog food I bought four months ago. However, I would recognize it, if I saw it again and I would certainly avoid it. The bag was not inexpensive, either. A neighbor recommended it. Green bag-still do not recall the name of the brand. I threw the half-full bag away when I noticed the change in my pets’ coat and the lack of interest on their part.

    I do appreciate, however, the portion of constructive advice regarding raw food and the link you enclosed. I will look into that.

    I used to buy , meat, vegetables, etc. in bulk and spend the whole day cooking, bagging and freezing and cleaning, and wound up exhausted at the end of the day. Only to start all over again two weeks later. My guys are voracious eaters and I do not have enough energy now to make more than 15-17 days worth (which translates to 30 to 38 portions) of food at a time.

    Mike, Cindy, Richard and Melissa, thank you so much for your comments! Very much appreciated.

  • melissa

    Maria-

    Perhaps you can cook in batches and freeze it to ease the strain? Or perhaps you can get a friend or relative to do it for you?

    If not, look for a food that is at the very least corn/wheat/soy free. I do not know your price point, but you may need to try a few sample or smaller bags of foods to be sure its working for your crew. I had good luck with 4health for the skin/ear department, but it gave my crew horrible gas and diarrhea after a while-but it is reasonable in price. Currently I am using Acana(Grasslands right now) and all seem to be doing wonderfully on it.

  • http://brotherscomplete.com Richard Darlington

    Maria

    Most skin issues in dogs can usually be resolved by getting them off of grain and potato. There are a few dry kibbles out there that are grain and potato free (Sandy was kind enough to post a list of them on another thread that I can’t recall but perhaps if she sees this she’ll post them again)

    Also if feeding canned food or kibble it can be very beneficial for your dogs if you add digestive enzymes and probiotics because they are destroyed by the heat of cooking. You can see the beginning of a discussion on the Brothers Allergy thread if you’re interested in more info on digestive enzymes.

    While raw (including dehydrated) and home cooking are definitely the best choice for your dogs, if you choose a kibble wisely you will be able to keep them in good health with perhaps some canned meat on top. We have a 20 and 21 year old that are still looking good. My wife just bathed the 21 year old Lhaso Apsa yesterday and remarked how soft his fur was – neither one of them have had any skin issues for years since we got them on a grain and potato free diet and give them digestive enzymes and probiotics.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Cindy… I’m sorry to hear about your dog’s troubles with Canidae Platinum for Seniors. However, please notice that in the review for that product, Platinum was singled out for its inferior meat content and was given a lower rating than its peers. Based upon its own separate review, this Canidae Grain Free Pure product receives a significantly higher rating. And it does not contain BHA.

  • Cindy

    My 14 year old adopted dog, had been on Canidae Platinum for Seniors/overweight dogs for about a year now. It seemed like such a good dog food without being real expensive. Another “you get what you pay for” lesson. I just recently read the consumeraffairs website about Canidae. I don’t doubt what those people are posting because my dog is exhibiting so many of the symptoms that those people are talking about. It can’t just be coincidence. I know that it ranks in the top tier on alot of dog food review websites, but I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. My dog has been near death once with Pancreatitis and is becoming disabled with spinal Arthritis. Her urine was yellow and bowel movements were yellow and soft. She pants for no reason. These conditions and symptoms were all mentioned on the consumeraffairs website. I have begun a fanatic search now for something better, but am using Freshpet Chicken in the roll until I can figure out what to do. PLEASE, IF YOU USE CANIDAE, WATCH FOR SYMPTOMS! I wish I had seen the consumeraffairs website a year ago. I feel so guilty now for feeding her this disease causing food.

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    Maria – Oh my! Did you stop preparing meals for yourself, too? Hopefully you didn’t switch to Fast Food?

    REAL FOOD is best for all species, including dogs. Processed food is problematic.

    Strange with all the detail you provided that you didn’t include the name(s) of the commercial dog food brands you tried four months ago. Since you’re currently looking at Canidae dry food, maybe you fed them commercial dry food? Dry food is nearly the worst, and most unnatural, type of food to feed a dog.

    For superior nutrition, without the hassle of home preparation, you might consider finding a human-grade canned dog food, or raw frozen or raw dehydrated.

    Look at some of the options at this link:
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/raw/5-star/

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Maria… I’m so sorry to hear about your dog’s coat issues. And I know it can be difficult to continue to home cook for your pets. Unfortunately, due to the biological uniqueness of each pet, I cannot provide customized and reliable product recommendations for each reader. For more help, please check back for a possible response from one of our other readers. Wish I could be more help.

  • Maria

    Hi, this is a request for help, more than a comment. I have two dogs. One, ShiTzu, Benji, about 8 years old (nobody really knows), 17 lbs., adopted two years ago from a pound. He came to me with the most horrible allergies and sores on his back near the tail. The other one, 1 1/2 year old (nobody knows for sure either) Chihuahua mix, Brownie, 6 1/2 lbs., adopted about a year ago. Before I got Benji, I read many books on dog nutrition and since day one have been cooking his meals. When Brownie came to me I put her on a lesser amount of the same diet. When I just got Brownie, I noticed she shed quite a bit, leaving hair on my clothes, furniture, etc. Benji has never shed. Presently, the coat of both dogs are exceptionally nice and soft. Benji said goodbye for sure to his allergies and hot spots; Brownie does not shed any more and has a very soft coat. My homemade food, with variations, consists of brown rice, oatmeal, chicken, fresh peas, carrots, zucchini, yellow squash, and an occasional red potato. I also add a teaspoonful of a mixture of omega cod oil, flax seed oil and olive oil, garlic and rosemary to their meal. Once in a while, because they love it, they get ground beef with carrots, peas and potatoes. Now my question. I am an older woman and I have reached the point where I cannot cook for my pets any longer, as it is getting to be such an effort and struggle. It is sad, but that is the way it is. I tried to feed my pets commercial food about four months ago and almost cried when I noticed about two weeks later that Benji’s coat turned opaque and he started scratching again and Brownie started to shed much more hair than when she was first brought to me. I immediately switched to homemade. I am looking for a dog food that can provide nutrition and keep their coats healthy and shiny, without hot spots, etc. I searched the Internet this time and found Canidae and then found your site. Can you recommend a specific formula for dogs such as mine? I would really appreciate your input. Thank you.

  • melissa

    Aris-

    I am with you. I have not used the pure elements, just the regular ALS. I read all the stories, read what canidae had to say about their oversight of the production of the product, and decided to try it. After a while I had dogs that were getting sick. Since the only thing different was the food, and since they cleared up within a short time of switching to Acana, I have to say, it did not work for my dogs.In all fairness, it would seem that for some reason Diamond produced foods do not work for my dogs.

  • Aris

    Steve
    I am not supporting the Consumer Affairs site and i am very cautious accepting some people’s stories or over-reactions. All i am saying is that since, in greece at least, the difference between canidae and acana/orijen is 10 Euros per 13.5kg pack and i’ve read quite a few stories (i don’t see any reason why ALL of them are false) on other different fora about canidae, i don’t see canidae as a reliable alternative. of course i maybe totally wrong, but i prefer to be on the safe side…

  • Steve

    That Consumer Affairs site is a sham! They are a bunch of money grubbing lawyers drumming up civil cases against manufacturers and other companies (the big ticket type$) I wouldn’t put too much faith in the words that are written on that site, who knows if those stories are accurate let alone true. I have been using canidaeALS for my pack for several years and have always had excellent results, even after the formula change in 2008- that’s right, going on four years since the formula change and people are still grasping at straws for what may be typical health experiences of owning a dog.

  • Aris

    Joann,
    maybe you already know that…. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/canidae.html
    i would definitely stay away from canidae. i’ve read on many forums unbelievable things about the new formula. i don’t know about the States, but here in Greece there isn’t much difference in the price between acana/orijen and canidae. i’m feeding my bullmastiff orijen (and sometimes acana) and there is no way i am changing that…. hope my comment helps :) good luck with your dog!

  • Gordon

    I can’t help you there, but I thought I’d add my 2 cents worth and just say, how the dog can be an ideal barometer when it comes to the even slightest changes.

  • Joann

    We have been feeding our dog The Canidae ALS-grain free dog food since we got her at 8 weeks old back in Sept. 2010. The last 2 bags we have purchased have been with the new packaging with the PureElements name. Looking at Canidae website and speaking with them and the employees at the store we purchase it from… it is supposed to be the same food just made in smaller pieces (Canidae denies kibble size change though), however, the 1st bag with the ‘new name’ our dog ate it just as she always has. When we purchased our 2nd bag with the ‘new name’ she now shows little desire to eat it up as she always had, she will actually walk away!! This has never happened in the past. However if we offer her treats or other food she quickly eats it as she use to with the old bag food.
    Please let me know if any one else is experiencing the same sort of problem.

  • Jonathan

    Hey Michelle and Sandy… thanks for the ideas, but as I mentioned, I can only order what corporate loads into our system. Right now, the only food I can carry but don’t yet is Canidae Pure. That’s why I was asking specifically about this product. Trust me, I’d love to carry both the foods you guys mentioned! :-)

  • sandy

    Jonathan,

    Do you already carry Nature’s Logic? It uses millet.

  • Gordon

    I heard that tapioca is almost entirely calorie free. If so, this fact would also make it a great binder alternative.

  • Michelle

    Hi Jonathan, looking for grain and potato free, with high meat content? How about this one? http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/back-to-basics-dog-food-dry/

  • Jonathan

    Thank you Mike and Richard! Yes, my hands are a little tied. And as I mentioned, I do have Earthborn Great Plains which is Bison based and uses peas and tapioca as the binding agent. And then there are the NB LID’s but they are so light on meat content… but they do work, mind you. I just want another higher meat content potato-free food. I know that the potato protein could be there to augment the perceived meat content, but then again, like with Wysong Epigen, maybe they are trying to use a non-starchy binder rather than a further carb source after both sweet potatoes (which has a moderate GI of 50) and peas (with a low GI of 35). We do now have Pet Botanics new dry food which is grain-free, potato free. But it is super high in peas. They split peas three ways to get Lamb Meal to the top of the list, and the GA shows a protein percent of just 26. Peas, Pea Starch, Pea Flour. And unfortunately, speaking of GI’s, the two pea fragments listed are specifically the starchy part of the pea after removing the protein! So, anyways, it’s about average (maybe slightly above?) in meat content, but it is potato and grain free, so that’s cool. And they have the industry-first solar-powered facilities which is nice. I’ll let you all know if their formula helps any itchy doggies! I have a feeling it will work pretty good as an LID. :-)

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Jonathan… Sorry, somehow I missed this comment when you posted it. In any case, as you know, starch is just another word for a particular type of molecule in which carbohydrates are bound together in a chain-like pattern.

    Allergies are caused by immune disorders whereas intolerances are due to digestive issues. Most food allergies are associated with the protein (DNA) fraction of an ingredient. Although carbohydrate allergies should be considered rather rare, carbohydrate intolerances (especially in dogs) can be fairly common.

    Based upon the basic etiology (cause) of food allergies and intolerances, I would be inclined to believe the primary issue with potatoes (in the event there is a problem) would most likely be due to a dog’s difficulty in digesting the ingredient (intolerance) caused by its carbohydrate (starch) content. Not a potato protein allergy.

    For this reason, as long as you remember an important reason manufacturers use potato protein in the first place is probably more due to its meat-substitution capabilities more than its hypoallergenic properties.

    So, to answer your question, it’s my (personal) opinion that a starch-free potato ingredient (like potato protein) would probably be far more digestible for a dog than a whole potato component. Hope this helps.

  • http://Brotherscomplete.com Richard Darlington

    Jonathan

    I wish I could tell you for certain if there would be no problem using potato protein but since I don’t really know what the actual mechanism in potato is that causes problems I can’t say. Even our nutritionist isn’t sure what it could be.

    I have thought about it constantly. Why does potato cause a problem when Tapioca doesn’t. It just doesn’t make sense to me. The closest I can come to some explanation was a micro biologist who responded to me when I posed the question to him with something like, “well that’s because potatoes have a unique structure that tapioca doesn’t have” and then he added something like he’s wasn’t surprised that it caused problems in dogs at all….but I’ll be damned if I understood much of what he said after that and he was in a big hurry so I didn’t question him further.

    Jonathan, I know our nutritionist once told me that if a dog is allergic to chicken he can still eat our food with chicken fat because the protein was removed and it’s the protein that the anti-bodies respond to to create the allergic response. I’m beginning to think it’s not just the high glycemic index of the white potato either because Tapioca has a moderate glycemic index and it should trigger some dogs if that were the problem.

    I really feel for your situation. I know how difficult it was for us in the store when every day dozens of people would come in with some skin/allergy type problems. Initially the grain free provided relief for 6 to 12 months but then the symptoms slowly returned for the majority of dogs because of the potato. When that was removed the problems did not return.

    Can’t you get EVO weight management or the aqua colored bag (fish I think)? The other EVO formulas have white potato but not those two. I assume you can’t get the Instinct which is a good no grain or potato formula. That’s about it, except for Great Life and I doubt corporate will let you buy that – besides we used to sell tons of that stuff but have switched 95% of our customers off of it for reasons my lawyer would probably shoot me for putting out on the Internet so I’ll stay mum on that.

    Now you are in the same dilemma we were in as a family with thousands of customers who trusted us to guide them. We were so disappointed in one company after another that out of desperation we finally decided to be part if the solution and design a food ourselves so we could know what was actually in it and could make the decision to make it as good as possible regardless of the cost. I really feel for you Jonathan because you are someone who genuinely cares but whose hands are tied by corporate. What about the EVO? Will they let you bring that in? I know it was just purchased by P&G and they usually cheapen the formula as soon as they can when they purchase a company but I just can’t think of any other options – except perhaps you could come work for Brothers someday.

    How’s mom doing carrying this twins around?

  • Jonathan

    Thanks, Louise, but the problem is that I am limited by corporate as to what I can order for our store. Canidae Pure recently became available to stores at manager’s discretion, so hence the question about this specific food. It is certainly a good food, but I already carry several grain-free foods that are white potato based. I was hoping that, because potato protein has had the starch removed, that it may be appropriate for dogs with a sensitivity to the higher glycemic index of white potato. Specifically in that white potato can feed a nasty yeast in the gut because of the high sugar content. Obviously, if the dog has a genuine allergy to potato, this would be no good, because allergies are linked to the proteins in the ingredients.

  • Louise

    Jonathan,
    Read your comment above about “white potato free” foods. Dogswell Nutrisca is white potato free. In addition to the Chicken and Lamb varieties, they have also come out recently with a Salmon variety – don’t think Mike has reviewed it yet.
    I believe the chicken and lamb are not only white potato free, but sweet potato free as well.

  • Joann

    We have been feeding our dog The Canidae ALS-grain free dog food since we got her at 8 weeks old back in Sept. 2010. The last 2 bags we have purchased have been with the new packaging with the PureElements name. Looking at Canidae website and speaking with them and the employees at the store we purchase it from… it is supposed to be the same food just made in smaller pieces (Canidae denies kibble size change though), however, the 1st bag with the ‘new name’ our dog ate it just as she always has. When we purchased our 2nd bag with the ‘new name’ she now shows little desire to eat it up as she always had, she will actually walk away!! This has never happened in the past. However if we offer her treats or other food she quickly eats it as she use to with the old bag food.
    Please let me know if any one else is experiencing the same sort of problem.