Beneful Dog Food (Dry)

Share

Rating: ★☆☆☆☆

Beneful dry dog food earns the Advisor’s lowest rating of 1 star.

The Beneful Dog Food product line lists seven kibbles, five claimed to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages and two for adult maintenance (Healthy Weight and IncrediBites).

  • Beneful Original
  • Beneful Playful Life
  • Beneful IncrediBites
  • Beneful Healthy Fiesta
  • Beneful Healthy Radiance
  • Beneful Healthy Weight Formula
  • Beneful Healthy Growth for Puppies

Beneful Dog Food Original Formula was selected to represent the others in the line for this review.

Beneful Original

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 29% | Fat = 12% | Carbs = 51%

Ingredients: Ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), rice flour, beef, soy flour, sugar, propylene glycol, meat and bone meal, tricalcium phosphate, phosphoric acid, salt, water, animal digest, sorbic acid (a preservative), potassium chloride, dried carrots, dried peas, calcium propionate (a preservative), L-Lysine monohydrochloride, choline chloride, added color (Red 40, Yellow 5, Yellow 6, Blue 2), DL-Methionine, Vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium carbonate, copper sulfate, Vitamin B-12 supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin D-3 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite.

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.7%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis25%10%NA
Dry Matter Basis29%12%51%
Calorie Weighted Basis27%26%47%

The first ingredient in this dog food is corn. Corn is an inexpensive and controversial cereal grain of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

For this reason, we do not consider corn a preferred component in any dog food.

The second item is chicken by-product meal, a dry rendered product of slaughterhouse waste. It’s made from what’s left of a slaughtered chicken after all the prime cuts have been removed.

In a nutshell, chicken by-products are those unsavory leftovers usually considered “unfit for human consumption”.

In addition to organs (the nourishing part), this stuff can contain almost anything — feet, beaks, undeveloped eggs — anything except quality skeletal muscle (real meat).

On the brighter side, by-product meals are meat concentrates and contain nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

In any case, although this item contains all the amino acids a dog needs, we consider chicken by-products an inexpensive, lower quality ingredient.

The third item is corn gluten meal. Gluten is the rubbery residue remaining once corn has had most of its starchy carbohydrate washed out of it.

Compared to meat, glutens are inferior grain-based proteins lower in many of the essential amino acids dogs need for life.

This inexpensive plant-based ingredient can significantly boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The fourth ingredient is wheat. Wheat is another problematic grain subject to the same issues as corn (previously discussed).

The fifth ingredient is animal fat. Animal fat is a generic by-product of rendering, the same high-temperature process used to make meat meals.

Since there’s no mention of a specific animal, this item could come from almost anywhere: restaurant grease, slaughterhouse waste, diseased cattle — even euthanized pets.

We do not consider generic animal fat a quality ingredient.

The sixth item is rice flour. Rice flour is made from either white or brown rice and is considered a gluten-free substitute for wheat flour.

The seventh ingredient is beef. Although it’s a quality item, raw beef contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The eighth ingredient is soy flour, a high-protein by-product of soybean processing.

Compared to meat, soy protein has a notably low biological value. Yet it is still capable of raising the protein content of this food.

The ninth ingredient is sugar, always an unwelcome addition to any dog food. Sugar has a high glycemic index which means it can unfavorably raise the blood sugar level of any animal soon after it is eaten.

This Beneful dry dog food product contains the controversial food moisturizer, propylene glycol. Propylene glycol has been banned by the FDA for use in making cat food.

Yet it can still be found in mostly lower quality dog foods.

Meat and bone meal is a dry “rendered product from mammal tissues, including bone, exclusive of blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents”.1

Meat and bone meal has a lower digestibility than most other meat meals.

Scientists believe this decreased protein quality may be due to the ingredient’s higher ash and lower essential amino acid content.2

What’s worse, this particular item is anonymous. It doesn’t even specify the source animal.

Even though meat and bone meals are still considered protein-rich meat concentrates, we do not consider a generic ingredient like this a quality item.

Animal digest is a chemically hydrolyzed concoction of unspecified body parts from unspecified animals. This product is usually sprayed onto the surface of a dry kibble to improve its taste.

We’re always disappointed to find artificial coloring in any dog food. Coloring is used to make the product more appealing to you, not your dog. After all, do you really think your dog cares what color his kibble is?

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With four notable exceptions

First, garlic oil may be a controversial item. We say “may be” here because we are not certain of the oil’s chemical relationship to raw garlic itself. Although the majority of experts favor the ingredient for its numerous health benefits, garlic (in rare cases) has been linked to Heinz body anemia in dogs.3

However, the limited professional literature we surveyed provided no definitive warnings regarding the use of garlic… especially in small amounts (as it is here).

Next, we find no mention of we find no mention of probiotics, friendly microorganisms applied to the surface of the kibble after processing.

Thirdly, we note the minerals here do not appear to be chelated. And that can make them more difficult to absorb. Non-chelated minerals are usually associated with lower quality dog foods.

And lastly, this Beneful dog food product contains menadione, a controversial form of vitamin K linked to liver toxicity, allergies and the abnormal break-down of red blood cells.

Beneful Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, Beneful Dog Food looks to be a below-average kibble.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 29%, a fat level of 12% and an estimated carbohydrate content of 51%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 30% and a mean fat level of 12%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 50% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 40%.

Above-average protein. Below-average fat. And above-average carbohydrates as compared to a typical dry dog food.

In addition, when you consider the protein-boosting effect of the corn gluten meal, this is the profile of a kibble containing only a modest amount of meat.

Plus it’s difficult to ignore the unusual abundance of so many Red Flag ingredients.

Bottom line?

Beneful Dog Food is a plant-based kibble using a modest amount of chicken by-products meal as its main source of animal protein, thus earning the brand 1 star.

Not recommended.

Those looking for a canned version of this product may want to check-out our review of Beneful Prepared Meals Wet Dog Food.

A Final Word

This review is designed to help you make a more informed decision when buying dog food. However, our rating system is not intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in a specific health benefit for your pet.

For a better understanding of how we analyzed this product, please be sure to read our article, “The Problem with Dog Food Reviews

Remember, no dog food can possibly be appropriate for every life stage, lifestyle or health condition. So, choose wisely. And when in doubt consult a veterinarian for help.

Have an opinion about this dog food brand? Or maybe the review itself? Please know we welcome your comments.

Other spellings: Beniful

Notes

11/07/2009 Original review
05/17/2010 Review updated
01/30/2011 Review updated (recipe change)
03/17/2012 Last update
03/17/2012 Last Update

  1. Association of American Feed Control Officials, 2008 Edition
  2. Shirley RB and Parsons CM, , Effect of Ash Content on Protein Quality of Meat and Bone Meal, Department of Animal Sciences, University of Illinois, Poultry Science, 2001 80: 626-632
  3. Yamato et al, Heinz Body hemolytic anemia with eccentrocytosis from ingestion of Chinese chive (Allium tuberosum) and garlic (Allium sativum) in a dog, Journal of the American Animal Hospital Association 41:68-73 (2005)
Dog Food Advisor IconThe Dog Food Advisor publishes independent reviews to help pet owners make better choices when shopping for dog food.


  • Anonymous

    Ronn, I don’t know anything about Phenobarbitol (I’m sorry your pup has to have it :( ) but it seems like the NV Prairie, whether pup or regular, wouldn’t be any worse than the beneful you’ve been feeding….don’t mean any offense by saying this.  I do know the NV fat percentage is higher than the beneful’s but perhaps you could cut back a little on the amount fed, Idk.  Just trying to see if this food might work….I know there are others that would be good to feed, though.  I like Now! foods.  They do are a life stage food, though, and have puppy, adult, senior and small breed.  It would be great if you could find an all-life-stage food to feed all of them!  

  • Ronn

    Jan, thanks for the reply. I was thinking of giving the other dogs the puppy food as well. However the Poodle, since she was put on Phenobarbitol for seizures, has gained so much weight that I dont think that would be wise. Iam still struggling as to what to introduce the other two dogs to.

  • Jan (Mom to Cavs)

    Ronn, I’m assuming you are using the NV puppy formula.  If you are, that’s ok.  Did you know it would be just fine to feed your adult dogs, too?  Nature’s Variety is a great food and one of the ones I feed.  They also have their regular Prairie that is all-life-stage that you can feed everyone, if you’re uncomfortable feeding adult dogs puppy food.  This food is made to rotate without stomach upset, too, so if you want you can feed a different bag each time you buy it.  Just remember that with a much higher quality food you would need to transition from the beneful very slowly because the NV is a more nutrient dense formula.  They have many varieties and formulas that can be used with each other.  They have the Prairie (their holistic grain inclusive food) and they have Instinct (grain free higher protein), they have cans in both and they also have premade raw food (I use this, too).  I’m very glad you’re switching them off of beneful!  Good luck with using the Nature’s Variety, we think they’re great!

  • Ronn

    I have two dogs, a Pug and  Mini Poodle ages 8 and 6. They have been on Beneful since puppies. I have always felt they were doing well with it. They seem to love the soft chewy chunks. I was satisfied with their approval since pups. So now we have a 4 month old Chihuahua as well. Up to now, they older dogs are still on Beneful until this 30# bag is done. After that, I will be choosing another brand with at least a rating of 4. The puppy, in all his 3# glory is constantly trying to eat the Beneful, but now I separate them at feeding time. I have the pup on Natures Variety now. I hope I made the right choice. So a question I have is, what to introduce the other two dogs to. I brought home two sample bags from the pet store. One being Chicken Soup for Dogs and the other Taste of the Wild. I may try those….any suggestions on any of this….I appreciate your replies

  • Pat P

    Please do your research before feeding Beneful to your dog. We feel like the worst pet parents feeding this to our chocolate lab. For years we fed her Science Diet, but tried to save money and switched to Beneful – thank goodness for only 2 months! She is 12 years old, but still was active. After eating Beneful for a month we noticed she would lay around and sleep alot. Did not want to play. She started pooping in the house almost every day (loose stools) – never ever has done this before. She was up 4 times a night having to go out. We thought it was due to her age. Then she started losing weight! Her ears were back all the time like she was not feeling well. The vet thought her accidents might be due to her age as well, but after reading reviews about this food I realized we needed to switch her food right away. I bought her Blue Buffalo longevity for senior dogs, and literally 2 days later she was like a puppy!!! So energetic, running around again, wanting to love and cuddle. NO Accidents in the house. Normal stools. I never thought about dog food ingredients, fillers, by-products, etc. I believe every pet owner should learn about what they are feeding their pets. We learned the hard way, and thank goodness our little girlie is well again.

  • Mike P

    Jill…So sorry to hear about your pal.It’s a crime how these company’s flat out lie just to make the cheapest food to make the most money.Don’t feel guilty because you thought you were doing the right thing.I wish I would of found this site when I was killing my dogs with crap food.

  • jill

    I was “duped” by the hype of this ABSOLUTE GARBAGE dog food. I thought i was feeding my dog veggies and pure beef like the commercial perceived and the packaging looked so “healthy”, i though i was treating my dog well. But after one month of feeding her Beneful my poor border collie ballooned and gained a ton of weight. I have never seen a dog poop so much, and i wondered how she was getting any nutrients because most of it was laying in the yard. She never was able to lose the weight and was never the same. I feel like i was doing her a favor when all along i was killing her, i will never ever be able to forgive myself ever again. I had to put her on a high protein weight loss food which destroyed her kidneys which broke my heart….my pal….

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com Mike Sagman

    Hi Ronnah… A number of dog food companies use avocado. But the fruit can be a controversial item.

    Supporters claim the ingredient to be nutrient rich and beneficial to a dog’s skin and coat… while others worry over what are mostly unsubstantiated concerns over potential toxicity.

    These fears appear to originate from a 1984 study in which goats (not dogs) consumed the leaves (not the fruit) of the Guatemalan (not the Mexican) avocado… and became sick. (See Craigmill et al, “Toxicity of avocado”, Persea americana, Guatamalan variety leaves: review and preliminary report, Vet Hum Toxicol 1984;26:381)

    Based upon my own review of the literature, it’s my personal opinion that the anxiety over avocado ingredients in dog food appears to be unjustified.

  • Ronnah

    I saw a picture of an avocado on a bag of beneful .avocado is Poison to dogs!!

  • Ronnah

    I saw a picture of an avocado on a bag of beneful.correct me if I am wrong but isn’t that Poison to dogs?

  • melissa

    g gomez-

    If the breeder has 30 plus puppies that she can not sell, she is not one of the good ones. I know of no reputable breeder that has that many pups ‘on the ground” at one time, especially during these harder economic times.You can create all the “laws” you want-you can never control ethical and moral behavior

  • g gomez

    Honestly if every dog buyer did there research, breeders would lose money. But what I don’t get is why so many people are buying from breeders when they can find a full blood of any breed in a shelter or breed specific rescues. Sure there are good breeders out there, but like 3% of them are good. I had a breeder come in to my store and tell me she was one of the good ones, but yet she has 30 puppies with no homes to go to and has no more room or money to keep them…were do you think they will end up? I am sick of the excuses breeders give. I am 100% for shelters and think they need stricter laws on breeding. Maybe even three solid years of making breeding illegal so the the shelters pups can have a chance. And yes its not all breeders good or bad. Its also people who have no business owing a dog in the first place. I agree on you should do your homework first.
    Are store does breed specific rescue events all the time and i ask the dogs stories. 4 out of 5 dogs come from breeders who don’t have room for the puppies they could not sell. Now tell me how that happens? breeders should have homes lined up before the dog even get prego!!!!! If people use common sense it would make a big difference!!!!

  • Pingback: I need to bring up my Chi's weight - Page 2 - Chihuahua Forum : Chihuahua Breed Dog Forums

  • Luanne

    My dog has gotten off of her regular diet of Nature’s Choice kibble (for dogs with sensitive skin and/or stomach problems). She has sensitive skin. For two nights she has eaten Beneful Playful kibble because I am dog sitting two other dogs at the moment and that is what they eat. It is hard to keep their food separated. The others dogs want her food and vice versa. So I have mixed them together and everyone eats the same. However, my dog has broken out in a serious rash on her belly. Like hives really. She has a fever and is in obvious pain. When I touch the rash she cries out in pain. I have just done some research on Beneful and am horrified by what I have found out. Oh my gosh! She will never ever get another bite of this stuff. Even though it is difficult, I will separate the two visiting dogs at mealtime to be sure that she does not get any of their food. Her skin has been in excellent condition since I’ve had her on the Nature’s Choice kibble. This came on VERY suddenly last night after their dinner. I didn’t put two and two together though until tonight. I gave her a Benadryl this morning and put some hydrocortisone cream on it and it had improved a lot. Then……she ate the same dinner again THIS evening and, bingo, the rash is worse than ever. I finally got to thinking about it and that the ONLY difference in her diet or environment is the Beneful dog food. Therefore, I started doing this research. I am horrified. She obviously feels so horrible and is just miserable. I wondered why I heard her scratching herself so much last night. In the morning, I figured it out when I saw the rash but I didn’t know what had caused it. Now I do. she is obviously allergic to it. No more Beneful. Bad, bad dog food!

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Alexis, I’d like to mention if a rescue group hears of their specific breed sitting in a shelter, they usually send someone over and place them in a foster home until they can place the dog. I don’t know if a pet parent knows to contact a rescue group vs. placing the dog in a shelter.

  • Alexis

    The fact of the matter is, many of the dogs filling shelters are NOT dogs bred by respectable breeders, but by so-called “back-yard breeders” or “breeders” who are really running thinly-veiled puppy mills. Most AKC-registered breeders that I know and work with regularly are people devoted to their breed, but moreover to DOGS. They will either take back any dog who the owners decide they can no longer care for or have a working relationship with a local rescue group to ensure proper forever homes for all their dogs.
    That being said, I’m sure there are irresponsible people out their who are in this “for the money.” But honestly, those who are motivated by the bottom line are fairly easy to sniff out and avoid (are they selling their dogs online to buyers, sight unseen? are they breeding toy dogs with guarantees for “teacup” sizes? are they providing parent information and pedigrees? what are their certifications?). Anyone who wants a purebred dog should be prepared for and willing to undergo a rigorous screening process, because the responsibility goes both way: the dog sellers and the buyer.
    I have owned shelter dogs, pet shop puppies, and purebred show dogs. I’ve raised them all to be healthy and balanced. Sometimes nature gives us a raw deal, and the shelter dog may have been abused and carry permanent scars, both visible and invisible; pet shop dogs may be tough to socialize and to undo all the harm of early isolation and separation; and purebred can have a host of gene-related diseases. But all dogs are deserving of a healthy, balanced home, no matter where they were born.

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    I love happy endings. Patience & love does go a long way! When I watch Animal Planet, I just can’t believe how people can abuse an animal – it’s beyond my comprehension.

  • Michelle

    Puppy Mills are an abomination, and should all be closed. In a perfect world they would be, but here in the real world they will probably always exsist,because people are greedy.I agree that adopting from the local pound or a breed rescue is a great idea,but that is no guarantee that your puppy/ dog didn’t originate from a mill. I have 3 cats all are adopted from the local kill animal shelter.All are spayed/neutered. I was my male cats last chance. He was 3 yrs old, had previously been adopted & returned because he hid for the whole month that they lady had him.He first caught my eye because he is huge,so I asked what his story was. He was due to be put down the day that he was adopted by me. He hid for the first 6 months that I had him,but I was determined to make friends with him.And with a lot of gentle coaxing and very slow movement, I finally won him over, he is the sweetest cat now.God only knows how he was previously treated in his original home to be so deep in a shell. My Lab came from a breeder.She is spayed. My Springer Spaniel is a rescue, also neutered.

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Bob, hey for once I totally agree with you LOL. Breed specific rescue groups do a great job which is another avenue for people to go to if they want a specific breed. Some get puppies, some have older dogs. They are turned in for various reasons. I also recommend getting an older puppy/dog, they are just as loving. If anyone has a friend/family member looking for a pet, please suggest all the avenues they should look into.

  • Gordon

    Bob K – Truer words have never been spoken to use a cliche, re your above comment. You’ve pretty much described the same situations dealt with, in council shelters down under. That includes, our RSPCA.

  • Bob K

    Sandi & Sue – Many of the breed specific rescue group do an excellent job with both Vet care and evaluating a dogs personality and temperment as the dogs are usually fostered in private homes with other dogs. Most dogs from the breed specific rescue groups have some training and are often housebroken and fully vetted including spay or neuter which could cost you hundreds of dollars if you had to pay yourself for a shelter or private purchased dog from a breeder. Their personality can be evaluated and you know the breeds characteristics. Bad and nasty dogs that are unadoptable dogs can be put down unfortunately but at least the dog gets a chance for a new family and proper evaluation.

    Dogs left in kennels and dog shelters for long periods of time can become very stressed and pick up all sorts of diseases as the facility budgets are low and many sickly, lost, abandoned, abused etc….. are turned in, its just the nature of many dog pounds, city and county animal control services. Few cities want to fund animal control services including staff, facilities, food, vet care etc… as they struggle with budget constraints.

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Sue – “I presently work in an animal shelter and see many, many dogs from puppy mills. Many have terrible health issues or have not been socialized and need a lot of work to become adoptable. Too many to count. I will not purchase from a breeder again, there are too many unwanted animals in shelters that need homes desperately.”

    I would never purchase from a pet store where they usually buy from puppy mills. We are talking about responsible breeders. If you think a dog from the shelter will never have any health issues, think again. With a responsible breeder, they test and you know the background of the breed. You can see the parents and their temperament & hopefully the questions asked will be answered truthfully. I suggest to people who want to adopt from a shelter to find out as much info as the shelter can give. There is just no guarantee in life that any pet will never be stricken with cancer, hip problems, etc. Depending on the diet, genetics, environment, vaccinations plays a big part on how healthy anyone’s dog will be. BTW – OFA is the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals.
    http://www.offa.org/

  • melissa

    Sandi & Sue-

    Akc only deals with complaints that would arise from questionable parentage etc, not a “private party contract” re sale as they have no standing nor involvement.

    However-for hip dysplasia-the only test currently available is an OFA xray(or Pennhip rating) Most breeders do these tests and register the results with OFA for public viewing. Some do not, but have the test results available for the buyers to view. If the breed is predisposed to dysplasia, ask to see the test results. No testing equals no purchase ; )With that said, both parents can test out excellent and the breeder could still be cursed with a pup testing out later to be dysplastic. It can be genetic, and it can be genetic with environmental influence-meaning the predisposition is there, but it takes “outside influences” ie diet, excercise etc to have the disease “come out” so to speak. People want to blame breeders and assume that everything that goes wrong is in fact their fault-if there is no genetic dna marker test(such as for VWD) there is NO WAY to guarantee the dog will not develop the issue, no matter what the parents tests say.

    The best thing to do is research a breed and its common genetic health issues, and what testing is available and “accepted” as the normal standard-then ask the breeder to show you results from said testing.Once you find a breeder that shows the results and you seem to be comfortable with, ask to speak to prior puppy purchasers-and NOT from the litter the year before-most health issues show up several years later, so speak to someone who has a say 4-6 yr old!

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Gordon – “Education is one of the best weapons in this fight for lack of a better description.” I totally agree. My book is for children and their parents. It’s easy for them to read where I’m still getting all my messages across.

    Sue –
    “Sandi, as far as asking breeders the right questions at the time of purchase, of course we did. But they all deny having any diseases or disorders in their bloodlines. They wouldn’t sell any puppies otherwise”. IMO they aren’t responsible breeders. They should guarantee their puppies health. I know a breeder whose dog was getting tumors. He neutered the dog and is no longer breeding that dog – he’s a responsible breeder.

    Sue, you’re a good person working @ a shelter.

    “Even if they are registered with the AKC, they could still be breeding dogs with these disorders since in many occasions the problems don’t become evident until the puppy reaches full grown status.”

    Maybe Krys & Melissa can comment on the involvement the AKC has. Maybe they have a “complaint dept.” against a breeder.

    In my Whippet group, they were keeping track of health issues.

    “As I stated before, if you don’t personally know anyone who is a breeder or have the connections, how do you investigate them to find out the truth about their litters?”

    There are plenty of breed specific forums you can join for free. You can ask for them to get in touch with you off-line & recommend a good or bad breeder. I went to the dog show and spoke with breeders. When I saw anyone with a Whippet, I asked where they purchased them from and what their feelings are about the breeder. People go to dog parks – walk over and ask where they purchased their dog and if they have any health issues. I think people should take time and don’t buy a dog on impulse. I’m not saying you did, I’m speaking in general.

  • SueW

    I presently work in an animal shelter and see many, many dogs from puppy mills. Many have terrible health issues or have not been socialized and need a lot of work to become adoptable. Too many to count. I will not purchase from a breeder again, there are too many unwanted animals in shelters that need homes desperately.

  • SueW

    Melissa, My dog gets plenty of exercise morning and evening. His food is carefully measured for every meal and he gets proper supplements for his condition. He has never been obese or overweight. His vet also happens to be an animal joint specialist so I trust his diagnosis.
    Sandi, as far as asking breeders the right questions at the time of purchase, of course we did. But they all deny having any diseases or disorders in their bloodlines. They wouldn’t sell any puppies otherwise. As I stated before, if you don’t personally know anyone who is a breeder or have the connections, how do you investigate them to find out the truth about their litters? Even if they are registered with the AKC, they could still be breeding dogs with these disorders since in many occasions the problems don’t become evident until the puppy reaches full grown status.

  • Gordon

    That is a common problem world wide. Pets like dogs and cats are bought for the wrong reasons like gifts for kids’ birthdays etc, as if they were teddy bears instead real living and emotional creatures with needs and required care and investment.

    Control of breeding is a problem and personally I can’t see an everlasting solution. Education is one of the best weapons in this fight for lack of a better description.

  • Gordon

    Oh yeah Sandi. So you made a similar suggestion a few days ago. I haven’t visited this site for the last 4 or 5 days so I must of missed it.

    It would be a good idea.

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Gordon,

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/brothers-complete-grain-free-dog-food/comment-page-3/#comments

    Mike Sagman July 16, 2011 at 10:05 am
    Hi Sandi… That is a good suggestion. I’d thought about setting up a forum with just a few general topics (for example, “Raw Feeding”). But I’ve been incredibly busy with other website issues, including an important upgrade to our product “dashboard”). Will consider your suggestion more as time permits. Thanks for the suggestion

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Glad to see you’re back posting again. I wondered how you were doing. Yes we are all passionate about dogs and only want the best for them. I can’t go into a shelter without crying. But Bob is discrediting “all breeders” by his comments. There are good and bad in every field. I still think it’s the pet parents that are responsible for the over population by not spaying/neutering & not doing their homework before they buy a puppy or adopt from a shelter. Parents might get a puppy for their children thinking the kids will take care of the dog. That might last a month then they might lose interest. It’s the parents that end up walking/taking care of the dog & soon realize they don’t have the time, the dog might end up in a shelter. Some people are leaving their dogs left behind when they move. In the end, it’s always the dogs that suffer no matter what the circumstance. In my book for children, I make a list to follow: i.e. Set aside a special time each day to walk and play with your pet.

  • Gordon

    Bob K’s just probably passionate about dogs like we all are, and his comments most likely come from life’s realistic experience, much like what I feel is the case, with regard to any type of business. It’s buyer beware, and treat all marketing, advertising, and claims with skepticism and scrutiny as far as I’m also concerned. Pet breeders are no different, and same will not go into business to lose money. They’re breeding to make money. But there’s good and bad in every field.

    Don’t worry Sandi. You’re not the only one who writes off topic. Everyone does from time to time. Might be an idea for Mike to create a topic under the Article Library called ‘Anything Canine related’, or ‘Topics in General – All posts welcome’. Just offering a suggestion. Maybe Mike has already thought of that and is afraid that most posters will focus their attention under such a thread, and that it would take up a lot of room? IDK

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Sue – I forgot to ask if you knew that breed had problems with “hip dysplasia”. Did you ask the breeder if it’s in his line. Even though I got my Whippet from a Vet/breeder, I wanted to be clear after I had him examined by my Vet, I have the option to return him for whatever reason should I decide. She agreed. Of course once I saw him in person, there was NO RETURN. I had only seen pictures of him & fell in love with him immediately.

    Thanks Krys & Melissa for adding your input from a breeders standpoint.

    Gordon – I did see that show. Guess the plane ride from Germany is more than I thought :) . They are quite beautiful & pricey. re: Beneful – Amazing what’s really in pet foods! I don’t even know how I ended up posting on this page. It creeps me out. Let’s move over to Brothers or Earthborn LOL

    I apologize for talking off topic. I think we scared Adam away :) . It would be lovely if we knew where Bob gets his info from.

  • Gordon

    I highly doubt that any entity would come to my own rescue to pay a ransom of $230,000 for my release from kidnappers, giving the impression that I would not even be worth that amount. And I’m sure I’m more intelligent and capable than any German Shepherd, bar the fangs, lol

  • Gordon

    All interesting arguments containing points on both sides of the ‘breeder’ debate.

    Now, back to Beneful. What an utter concoction of cheap and carcinogenic list of ingredients that rivals the likes of Ol’ Roy and Pedigree.

    Talk about breeders and money any may make. Doesn’t compare to Harrison K-9 in Aiken, South Carolina in your country, that was recently aired in the news here, about what they charge for their specially bred German Shepherds, that can switch from being to a lovable and cuddly member of the family, to a ruthless killing machine, with a simple command.

    An what does this special breeder charge? An astonishing, jaw widening, eye opening $230,000 for their dearest bred and trained German Shepherd to one of their more common ones at around, you know, just $50,000. OMG, what on Earth? Amaaaaaaassssssiiiiiiiinnnnnnnngggggggg! Not for the commoners’ budget.

  • melissa

    There is a vast difference between reputable/responsible breeders and professional breeders imo. Anyone who breeds and sells puppies is by virtue of their actions, a “professional breeder”-but like anything else, not all are equal. But then again, neither are rescues.

    Bob K-I am not sure where your info comes from, but it seems like you are dealing with or have dealt with less than reputable breeders. I take back ANY DOG, at ANY TIME, if the owner can not keep it-and that does not matter if its a dog bred by me, or a 100 percent mutt adopted out via rescue. Those that are deemed to be “pet quality” must be spayed/neutered and proof provided to me-within 30 days of the dog turning 6mths, and until that time, ownership of the dog remains with me.

    Contracts are only as good as how they are written and the enforcement dedication behind them-and that does not matter if its rescue or reputable breeder. The problem with overpopulation lies with mills and disreputable breeders who do not screen, never have and never will. Alot of these breeders no longer even register AKC due to the DNA requirements, and have simply created their own registries.

    SueW-I am sorry to hear that your dog has dysplasia-however there is no way on xrays to determine the cause of it. It is considered genetic in many of the larger breeds, however, studies have been done to indicate that environment can factor into the expression of the disease as well(owners allowing the dogs to become obese, rate of excercise etc) I am not saying this is what occurred, just pointing this out. Keeping your boy lean and lots of controlled leash walks seems to help the situation.

  • ShamelessRawFoodie

    Sandi – I comprehended your comment the same way that I believe Bob K did. I’m literal, so: “first right of refusal to buy back any dog . . .” means the breeder gets the first option, and CAN buy back the dog, but this doesn’t mean the breeder WILL buy back the dog. I think this was Bob K’s point.

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Bob – take your time in reading every word and don’t be anxious to attack. You mis-read my post as well. I wonder why you are not forthright in telling us where you are getting your info.

    “You do not understand the contract you are quoting to me. “first right of refusal to buy back any dog……” that does not mean they will take back any dog for the rest of its life. Most reputable breeders will take back sickly puppies within the first few months but thats about all you can expect.”

    Re-read what I posted: “first right of refusal to buy back any dog that the owner can’t or doesn’t want to keep anytime thru the DOG’S ENTIRE LIFE, FOR ANY REASON, OR NONE WHATSOEVER.”

  • Krys

    Sheesh Bob – no, I track 100% of the dogs I place, I said 90% of them are spayed/neutered, the ones who are not spayed/neutered are being shown – but either way I am in touch with ALL of my dogs owners. I won’t go into how many litters I produce as I’m sure if I said I bred 2-3 litters a year or 1 litter ever few years – it would still be to much in your eyes, but I have the ability to be able to keep in touch with the owners of my dogs – I work from home, so I am home all day to deal with my own animals as well as deal with emails or phone calls from owners of my dogs.

    Show dogs can not be fixed because shows are for the judging of breeding stock – whether they are going to be bred or not, there are a LOT of dogs that are shown, earn a Championship and then are spayed/neutered without having been bred. There are altered classes as specific shows where you can show your spayed/neutered dog but it’s normally at breed specific clubs that are holding Specialties or Nationals for that breed. Just because a dog is intact does not mean that it’s going to be bred and yes, I do know of accidental litters from responsible breeders but in those cases, they are treated as any other litter – inquiries for puppies are treated the same way, health testing is done, etc. In any case, they would still be vaccinated, wormed, leash trained, crate trained, socialized and depending on the age they leave, would already be working on house training or house trained already – compared to the countless litters that are born in someone’s back yard or in a puppy mill environment or a random stray around the neighborhood.

    Again, why don’t you go back and read my first post – I never said anywhere that I only track 90% of my dogs – the only 90% mentioned is how many of the dogs we place are spayed/neutered. If you read my post correctly, I keep track of EVERY SINGLE DOG I have ever placed. So are you going to base my responsibility on a message I posted that you read wrong? Because that’s what it sounds like. You keep mentioning the 90%, but you should go back and read what the 90% was referring too – instead you base your whole message on the “10% of dogs I don’t keep track of” when that was never said.

    If you are interested, this is what I actually posted… “I keep very close tabs on all of them and 90% of the dogs we place are spayed/neutered at the appropriate age”

    If you can’t read the post properly, then don’t bothering responding to it.

  • http://www.whosyourvet.com Sandi

    Are you a PETA member??? Do you want to see all dogs eliminated from this planet? I don’t know how you are not blaming pet parents.

  • Bob K

    Sandi – “Pet parents are at fault if they are not spaying/neutering. You can’t blame Professional breeders.” Sure you can blame the professionals after all its their profession, they are producing dogs. To stop the problem you have to have everyone accountable both the buyers and sellers.