4Health Grain Free Dog Food (Dry)

Share

Rating: ★★★½☆

4Health Grain Free Dog Food receives the Advisor’s mid-tier rating of 3.5 stars.

The 4Health Grain Free product line includes three dry dog foods.

Although each formulation appears to be designed for a specific life stage, we found no AAFCO nutritional profile recommendations for these dog foods on the product website. So, it’s impossible for us to report life stage targets for these recipes.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

  • 4Health Grain Free Beef and Potato Adult
  • 4Health Grain Free Turkey and Potato Adult
  • 4Health Grain Free Whitefish and Potato Adult

4Health Grain Free Beef and Potato Adult formula was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

4Health Grain Free Beef and Potato Adult Formula

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 31% | Fat = 17% | Carbs = 44%

Ingredients: Beef, beef meal, pea protein, whole potato, dried peas, tapioca, sunflower oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), dried plain beet pulp, whole flaxseed, natural flavor, salt, potassium chloride, beef tallow (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), zinc proteinate, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), choline chloride, manganese proteinate, l-carnitine, copper proteinate, niacin, d-calcium pantothenate, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin D3 supplement, riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin A supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, calcium iodate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), folic acid

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.4%

Red items when present indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
MethodProteinFatCarbs
Guaranteed Analysis28%15%NA
Dry Matter Basis31%17%44%
Calorie Weighted Basis27%35%38%

The first ingredient in this dog food is beef. Although it’s a quality item, raw beef contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient includes beef meal. Beef meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh beef.

The third ingredient is pea protein, what remains of a pea after removing the starchy part of the vegetable.

Even though it contains over 80% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The fourth ingredient is potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The fifth ingredient is dried peas. Dried peas are a good source of carbohydrates. Plus they’re naturally rich in dietary fiber.

However, dried peas contain about 27% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The sixth ingredient is tapioca, a gluten-free, starchy carbohydrate extract made from the root of the cassava plant.

The seventh item is sunflower oil. Sunflower oil is nutritionally similar to safflower oil. Since these oils are high in omega-6 fatty acids and contain no omega-3′s, they’re considered less nutritious than canola or flaxseed oils.

Sunflower oil is notable for its resistance to heat damage during cooking.

There are several different types of sunflower oil, some better than others. Without knowing more, it’s impossible to judge the quality of this ingredient.

The eighth ingredient is beet pulp. Beet pulp is a controversial ingredient, a high fiber by-product of sugar beet processing.

Some denounce beet pulp as an inexpensive filler while others cite its outstanding intestinal health and blood sugar benefits.

We only call your attention here to the controversy and believe the inclusion of beet pulp in reasonable amounts in most dog foods is entirely acceptable.

The ninth ingredient is flaxseed, one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, we find beef tallow, a fatty by-product of beef rendering. Tallow is high in saturated fats.

Historically, tallow was used to make soap and candles. But today, due to its low cost, this fat is typically associated with lower quality pet foods.

Next, we find no mention of probiotics, friendly bacteria applied to the surface of the kibble after processing to help with digestion.

And lastly, this food contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

4Health Grain Free Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, 4Health Grain Free dry dog food looks like an above average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 31%, a fat level of 17% and estimated carbohydrates of about 44%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 30% and a mean fat level of 16%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 46% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 54%.

Near-average protein. Near-average fat. And below-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effects of the pea protein, dried peas and flaxseed, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a below-average amount of meat.

Bottom line?

4Health Grain Free dry dog food is a plant-based kibble using a moderate amount of named meat meals as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 3.5 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note some products may have been given higher or lower ratings based upon our estimate of their total meat content.

Special Alert

Rice ingredients can sometimes contain arsenic. Until the US FDA establishes safe upper levels for arsenic content, pet owners may wish to limit the total amount of rice fed in a dog's daily diet.

A Final Word

The descriptions and analyses expressed in this and every article on this website represent the views and opinions of the author.

Although it's our goal to ensure all the information on this website is correct, we cannot guarantee its completeness or its accuracy; nor can we commit to ensuring all the material is kept up-to-date on a daily basis.

Each review is offered in good faith and has been designed to help you make a more informed decision when buying dog food.

However, our rating system is not intended to suggest feeding a particular product will result in specific health benefits for your pet.

For a better understanding of how we analyze each product, please read our article, "The Problem with Dog Food Reviews".

Remember, no dog food can possibly be appropriate for every life stage, lifestyle or health condition. So, choose wisely. And when in doubt, consult a qualified veterinary professional for help.

In closing, we do not accept money, gifts or samples from pet food companies in exchange for special consideration in the preparation of our reviews or ratings.

To learn how we support the cost of operating this website, please visit our public Disclosure and Disclaimer page.

Have an opinion about this dog food? Or maybe the review itself? Please know we welcome your comments.

Notes and Updates

02/09/2013 Original review
02/09/2013 Last Update

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Good to hear your dogs are doing good on this food. :)

    Many have raised concerns that the 4Health grain-free line should have been rated 4 stars rather than 3.5 – Dr. Mike stated that he feels much of the protein is being derived from plant sources (like the peas) rather than animal sources (the meat) which is why it got 3.5 stars instead of 4. But if it’s a quality food that’s affordable for you to feed to all nine of your dogs and they’re doing good on it, I wouldn’t worry too much about it not being a 4 star food.

  • Tina Pahls

    I love 4health grain free whitefish and I believe it should be looked over and get a 4 star rating. As stated Ainsworth is the company who distributes the grain free foods. This company is in my hometown. All of my dogs (I own 9) do wonderful on this food. There coats are extremely thick and all of my dogs are at a very health weight now from what they use to be. I have a saint that kept having her weight go up and down and since I have had them on this food I have had no problems. Also no more scratching and digging. They were on diamonds naturals before and had horrible gas and the runs. The 4health salmon and potato was alright, but not giving the results I was hoping for. Its costly with so many saints, but worth it to have my dogs healthy and super happy and not constantly worried about them dying from a recalled food due to last years salmonella poisoning of the salmon food and almost losing my baby I’m very concerned about recalled foods.

  • Rough Collie Mom

    I just read somewhere online that 4Health was one of the dog foods listed under the Diamond recalls that happened a few weeks ago. My collie loves it, looks good, and I love the price. I had switched him from Nutro which was he also liked but had somewhat loose stools. Not so with 4Health. However, these recalls make me nervous and make me mad. Diamond is the leader in recalls. So I sure hope another company will take it over.

  • Guest

    I found out the hard way that PEAS (in any form) can actually be an aggravating factor in allergic dogs. Every Grain Free we found had Pea or Pea Fiber….A lot of the companies started using it as a filler; in fact one snuck it in after we had been using it for months. After much deduction with different foods, we realized the common ingredient was the PEAS….We finally had more testing and found that our baby is RED (High Allergy Alert)to Peas, of course we knew many other ingredients as well. People aren’t aware of this little known fact.

  • pitbullshoes

    Oh sorry – meant to say 4Health Grain Free Beef & Potato. :)

  • pitbullshoes

    I switched my 3 horribly gassy pit bulls over from 4Health Chicken & Rice to 4Health Beef & Potato. They are notably shinier and softer and the best part…NO more gas. No gas at all. None. It’s a miracle. :)

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Jan, whether or not you need to transition really depends on your dogs. I switch my dogs’ food at each meal with no issues. A healthy dog should not need to transition between any foods. If, however, your dog has been eating the same food for a long time and/or you know your dog has a sensitive stomach, it’s probably best to do a gradual transition. Probiotics and plain canned pumpkin can help with any loose stools resulting from a change in food.

  • Jan

    I am currently feeding 4-Health Salmon and Potato to my seven dogs, and they all love it, but two are nibbling on their feet. I am considering trying the 4-Health GF fish formula. I know I can change their food within the grain line without transitioning, but can I also feed 4-Health’s GF line without transitioning? Thanks in advance for your help!

  • LabsRawesome

    That’s great! I feel so bad for itchy doggies, it must really drive them nuts! Glad you found a food that’s working, and being able to afford it is a definite plus. :)

  • stephanie_j2888

    oh yeah, i am positive thats what it was…but i was never able to switch to another grain free b/c they were to expensive and i live in a small town and im not a fan of ordering food online like that. So when the grain free came out and i could actually afford it, i switched lol and the dogs love it

  • LabsRawesome

    The grains in the old food were probably making them itch.

  • stephanie_j2888

    I was feeding my pups the fish and potato kind of the regular 4health and trying to switch to chicken once and two of my four started itching like crazy so i switched back. The same two that were itchy also have lots of dandruff and some itchyness so i switched to the fish grain free and so far they are doing great on it and the itchyness has already gone away some after only a week!
    Some dogs have reactions to certain things (mine did chicken) but always remember to pay attention to the smell and look of the food. If it looks or smells off at all they my suggestion would be to exchange it. The truck delivering it could have been delayed by a day and it could have been stuck in the heat for away which could cause it to go bad much quicker…you just never know!

  • LabsRawesome

    The only time my Lab did that was when she went swimming in the evening, and I didn’t get her face/cheek dried well enough. She went to sleep and woke up with a huge hot spot. It looked like her face exploded. She must have been digging at it while I was sleeping. It’s crazy how one day their totally fine and the next, not so much.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Could be-the food did not smell off or anything, but who knows?

  • losul

    Melissa, do you think the fish fats could have gone rancid?

    This is the thing I worry about with fish in kibble.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Just wanted to say that I tried the beef version and the fish. Dogs liked the beef, did fine. However, after just one bag of the fish(which is 4 days) one of the crew ripped her hair out, and gave herself a hotspot. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She has never had an issue such as this, and the only new thing was the food.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Charmed3117 Tracie Jones

    Aimsworth mkes the grain free. I know because I left a comment on the TSC site questioning the use of beef tallow in the grainfree beef/potato, and Aimsworth sent me an email defending their use of it.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Stephanie, True. All kibble needs a binder. Whether it’s peas, potatoes, or rice ect. None of them are species appropriate. But for me the two plus’s with the grain free 4health are 1. Obviously it’s grain free. 2. It’s made by Ainsworth NOT Diamond. The two foods are only rated 1/2 point differently. Which I don’t really think is all that big of a deal. You could always give eggs or some other cheap proteins, to boost the animal protein. Or you could stick with the Salmon & Potato, and rotate with the gf whitefish. Or you can look for other gf options with the same price point. Victor makes a gf that is either a 4 or 5 star. I would definitely use Victor if it was available in my area (I don’t like ordering online). Rachael Ray (surprisingly enough) has come out with a new “zero grain” food that appears to be at least a 4 star food.

  • stephanie_j2888

    yeah i know the protein percent is the same, but whats providing the protein isnt. In the regular its mostly from the meat, in the grain free its meat protein and pea protein…..idk much about pea protein lol

  • Pattyvaughn

    I have one dog that was picky and another that had sensitive tummy issues and a third that has had IBS. The picky one will eat whatever I put in his dish with relish now. The sensitive tummy one has no trouble changing foods. And the IBS dog has had no problems in 8 months. I got them off grains and started rotating foods and adding probiotics and digest enzymes to their food. Now my dogs have no problems.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Thanks for posting this. I’ve been wondering, but I’m not on Facebook, so I never would have heard.

  • stephanie_j2888

    i have one dog who has a sensitive tummy and another who is SUPER picky…so it is much easier to stick with one food that everyone likes lol

  • http://www.dfwpugs.com/ sandy

    You don’t have to stick with one food either. Just rotate between a couple of foods. Thay way you won’t get too much or not enough of something.

  • LabsRawesome

    Well your dogs are on the Salmon & potato right now. Which is 25% protein. The Grain free Whitefish is also 25% protein. And the other two gf ones are like 28% protein. I don’t think your dogs would be lacking anything by switching. The two foods are only rated a half point differently. And you would be getting away from Diamond. But you have to do what you feel comfortable with.

  • stephanie_j2888

    mine eat the majority dry food, so i just dont want them to lack in anything….just not sure which would be better….no grains and less meat protein or grains and more meat protein?

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Stephanie, for me personally the protein % in dry foods isn’t a big deal. I have 2 large dogs and they go thru 4 cans a day (Kirkland Cuts In Gravy 44% protein), plus fresh protein like eggs, and sardines ect. My dogs eat a very small amount of dry food. You could always add protein rich toppers to bring up the protein %. I like the new grain free 4health better, because it’s NOT a Diamond product, and obviously because it doesn’t contain grains.

  • stephanie_j2888

    This is the reply i got from dog food advisor on facebook about why the grain free has a lower star rating:
    The grain-free product contains a below average amount of meat, so it gets a slightly reduced star rating.
    It has very similar percentages of protein, but the protein in the grain free comes mostly from the protein-boosting effect of peas (not meat; the regular version has more meat). You can read this also in the actual review.

    Therefore, because the star ratings are in favor of foods containing more meat, the grain free doesn’t get as high of a star rating.

    An average food overall would be a 3 star food.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi stephanie, I agree with Patty & HDM. I think the grain free 4health will be upgraded to a 4 star when the review is updated. Here’s a link to TSC’s site, and it’s the page with 4health GF foods. Just scroll down a little. http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&pageSize=&beginIndex=0&searchSource=Q&sType=SimpleSearch&resultCatEntryType=2&showResultsPage=true&pageView=image&autoSuggestURL=AutoSuggestView%3FcoreName%3DMC_10001_CatalogEntry_en_US%26serverURL%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252ftsc-prod-lb01.crossview.inc%253a3737%252fsolr%252fMC_10001_CatalogEntry_en_US&searchTerm=4health+grain+free+cat+food You can try any of the formulas, because they do not contain Chicken. Only Turkey, Beef, or Whitefish.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I tend to agree with Hound Dog Mom. When the food first came out they had poultry by-product meal listed as one of their ingredients on the website. It turns out it was a mistake and it has been fixed since then, but the rating here was done based on that and when this food is revisited in the future the rating may go up.

  • Pattyvaughn

    My dog is a little iffy with chicken, but has no issues with turkey or duck.

  • stephanie_j2888

    Also, if i decide to switch to the grain free, which would everyone recomend? I currently feed Salmon & potatoe and my pups LOVE it. I bought the chicken one time and it made 2 of my 4 pups very itchy, so i am thinking i may need to stay away from poultry all together.

  • stephanie_j2888

    Question, i notice that the regular 4health is rated a 4 star (which is what i currently feed my pups) and the grain free is rated a 3.5 star (was considering switching to this), why is the grain free rated lower then the regular?

  • Ziggy

    Been doing a lot of checking and finally have this resolved. 4Health GRAIN FREE is NOT made by Diamond – It’s made by a private company – Ainsworth Pet Nutrition and have ‘never’ been involved in a recall. The regular 4Health IS made by Diamond so steer clear of it, but for a great food – I would highly recommend 4Health GRAIN FREE.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Melissa, I think I might try the Beef next. My 2 really love the Turkey. :)

  • Fennis

    Our dog is unfortunately cursed with a gluten allergy. We have tried many different, and expensive grain-free products. For the longest time, Nutro has been our go-to food as the price was right and our dog loved the lamb meal and rice small bites. Suddenly at the end of last year, she started itching and breaking out in hives which we learned when she was a puppy meant she was allergic to the food. We figured she just got into the trash and maybe ate some bread or pasta leftovers, but it continued for over a month. So we bought a bag of the 4health Turkey and Potato Grain Free and in about 2 days her hives cleared up, she stopped itching, and after another week or so, her coat became very shiny and she didn’t shed like she used to. She is part golden retriever and so we always just assumed the mass amounts of hair around the house was because of her long coat, but after feeding her this food for a month now, it seems like she barely sheds anymore. So, hopefully our local TSC continues to carry this food because not only is it cheaper than other brands, its 100% grain free and seems to be a significant improvement from what we once fed her.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Just wanted to say that I picked up a bag of the beef the other day(grain free) to give a whirl. The dogs loved it, no stomach issues what so ever. While its not something I would feed long term, its certaintly imo, rotation worthy for a different food, by a company I generally don’t feed. Please excuse any typos. Just moved to a laptop and apparently not yet adept at typing on my lap and watching Big bang at the same time, lol

  • Germansheppups

    Great news – I’m glad they answered and we have confirmation!

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Labs-
    Yes, I did see your post, thanks. I live in the Pacific Northwest and we do not have TSC stores in our area. We do have a feed store chain called Dels that carries some 4health, I believe. I’ll check it out. I have started rotating, thanks to this website. I’m feeding my lab mix boys Kirkland chicken and Nutrisource grain free lamb right now. Also was thinking about using nature’s domain. But, may use the 4health grain free instead since not made by Diamond and similarly priced. Thanks for your diligence in finding the correct manufacturer.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi crazy4cats, I would think that all TSC stores would stock it, because it is their house brand. Not sure if you saw my post, but I received an email from Diamond stating that they do not make the gf 4health, and Melissa also got a message from Ainsworth that they do make the gf 4health. Also, I think it got at 3.5 star rating because it contains tallow, and does not have probiotics. It is still “highly recommended” tho, so I wouldn’t really worry about it. One reason that I like to rotate kibble so it’s less likely to have deficiencies in one thing or another. Even tho I don’t really use all that much kibble, I still like to rotate.

  • InkedMarie

    Really? I thought it was Sylvia

  • Pattyvaughn

    Marie, I think it’s time that I told you my real name. It’s Patricia.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Perfect name for a bloodhound enthusiast. The first bloodhound I every met was a lovely lady by the name of Lydia.

  • InkedMarie

    Hi Lydia! Thanks for telling me.

  • InkedMarie

    LOL. I just like putting a name to frequent posters here.

  • LabsRawesome

    Marie, Haha. Yeah I thought they wouldn’t take my question seriously if I gave my name as LabsRawesome. I am thinking of having it legally changed tho. JK. :)

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Melissa, I bet they do move the grain inclusive line as well. TSC probably realized that Diamond has issues. Since their last recall. Now if I can just get Costco to move their foods as well. :)

  • melissaandcrew

    i Labs-s

    Can’t log in again, ARGHHHHH..Rumor has it that moving the grain inclusive line may be in the works. At least according to the store manager I asked about it.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Such great news. I know so many people looking for budget friendly grain-free foods but I’m always hesitant to recommend diamond products. Now if only they’d move their grain-inclusive line to a new manufacturer…

  • Hound Dog Mom

    lol darn it, I really thought her name was labs. My name is Lydia – btw.

  • melissaandcrew

    Definitely made by Ainsworth-they left a voice mail yesterday confirming.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I would’ve assumed Diamond would make both as well, but a lot of companies do use multiple manufacturers. For example, Solid Gold has three of their formulas manufactured by Diamond and the rest are manufactured somewhere else.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    I was wondering about the 3.5 star rating as well – there are many 4 star foods with more carbs than this. I’m thinking it may have something to do with the fact that when the food first came out “poultry by-product meal” was listed as one of the ingredients in the poultry formula on the tractor supply website. It was a mistake and wasn’t listed on the packaging and has since been removed from the ingredients list on the website. I definitely think it’s a 4 star food. Maybe the rating will get revised.

  • InkedMarie

    You have a name that not Labs, rofl! Now if I knew HDM’s name!

  • crazy4cats

    It seems so strange that a different company would manufacture the grain free version of the same brand? Any how assuming this information is correct, I’m wondering why it only gets 3.5 stars while the natures domain which has less protein gets 4 stars? Maybe something to do with ingredients? It seems like a great value. I hope we have it in this area.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    This is great news. Finally a reasonably priced, decent quality grain-free food not made by Diamond.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Patty, I knew that would make people much more comfortable with the food. Yes! Recommend away. It’s great to have an easily accessible gf food, with a reasonable price tag, that’s made by Ainsworth. And not the dreaded Diamond. Lol.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Woo Hoo!! I can feel OK about recommending it to a friend of mine that wants to buy kibble at the feed store.

  • LabsRawesome

    Dear Michelle,

    Thank you for contacting us. The 4-Health grain free products are not manufactured by Diamond Pet Foods.

    Sincerely,

    Julie
    Customer Service That is the email I received from Diamond. So I guess….. “Diamond IS NOT the father!” Lol. I still haven’t heard back from Ainsworth…..they need to step it up with their customer service.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Melissa, well I’m sure that will make some people very happy. And make them more inclined to try it. :) For what it’s worth, my dogs & cats all liked it and did well on it. I wonder if TSC is going to move their grain inclusive line to Ainsworth as well….Did you ask? Oh no, more calls and emails…haha

  • Melissaandcrew

    Hey Labs-
    Just wanted to let you know that Diamond did send me an email a little bit ago. They confirmed, in writing that they do NOT make the new grain free 4Health.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Hi Labs-

    I called and emailed. Sent the emails first and then decided to call, lol. I had someone else call Diamond this am and ask the same question. They got the same response that I did-Diamond does Not make the new 4Health. Just spoke with TSC and they confirmed this-The new grain free line is in fact made by Ainsworth/Dad’s Pet Care. I did feel bad when the gal told me they had several calls yesterday from different people asking the same question, lol. And, she was not the one that I spoke with originally. Knowing this, I would consider throwing a few bags in from time to time simply as something different that carries a low price point. If the original 4health ever leaves Diaamond, I would use that again as well from time to time. I think this new 4health grain free will open up options for some people wanting to try grain free.

  • LabsRawesome

    Melissa, so far I have only received an email from Diamond. It said “we have received your email and will get back to you as soon as possible. For faster service, please call”… Have you tried calling either one?

  • Melissaandcrew

    Let me know if they get back to you Labs. I emailed on Sat and have heard nothing yet-both Diamond and Ainsworth.

  • InkedMarie

    Reading ll this makes me glad I don’t feed 4 Health. Too many other foods out there in this price point and you on’t get the run around

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Melissa, I posted a response to you, but it disappeared. ? This has happened to me before. The posts went into the spam filter, or whatever. And then appeared later. Anyway I just emailed Diamond, and asked if they make the new grain free 4health. They told me on the phone that they do, so we’ll see what they have to say in an email.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    lol their reps are clueless. The first rep I talked to was convinced Tractor Supply owned a manufacturing plant and manufactured 4Health themselves. When I assured her they didn’t she forwarded my call to someone higher up who told me Diamond made it. I sure hope you’re right though and Diamond doesn’t make it.

  • InkedMarie

    Good gosh, what a cluster!

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Melissa, this is so crazy, everyone is getting different answers. WTH? Lol the reps for TSC are always very nice, but they are also clueless. Diamond told me that they make it, and told you they don’t. TSC also claims to make it. And Ainsworth says they make it. I don’t know if we will ever be 100% sure who actually does? Well at least we know for sure it’s NOT TSC….haha.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Lol.. yes, and today the rep told me they owned Diamond A higher up is supposed to be calling me back. I was very specific when I questioned her-diamond or Ainsworth, and let her know that the local manager told me Ainsworth.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Hi Labs-

    Well, made three calls today-1 to TSC main office, 1 to Ainsworth and 1 to Diamond. Ainsworth is impossible to get through to-so far I have heard nothing yet either from the email or the message I was forced to leave for customer service-you call and a machine picks up telling you to leave your info.

    Diamond rep-was very helpful and knew right off the bat, so to speak that they do NOT make the new grain free. She said they make only the 4Health grain inclusive line. I asked several times to be sure, but she was 100 percent positive.I spoke with Dawn at the 800 number.

    TSC-very nice rep, but I knew I was not going to get an answer right away when she informed me that since TSC OWNS Diamond, she would assume the new line was also made by Diamond. After explaining to her that no, TSC does NOT own Diamond, she took my info and gave me the name of a person who is supposed to be calling back to provide me with the correct information. I will let you know when and if Ainsworth or TSC gets back to me. The only thing that I got clarified today was that Diamond does not make the grain free line. Don’t know for sure 100 percent who does, but I am guessing the manager I spoke with was correct.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    When I called Tractor Supply and spoke to their customer service I was told the 4Health grain-free was manufactured by Diamond.

  • Germansheppups

    Me, too.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I sure hope that is the case.

  • LabsRawesome

    I find it hard to believe that Diamond customer service would be mistaken as to what foods are manufactured by them. I mean they have the info on a computer, right in front of them. HDM posted that a rep for TSC was trying to convince her that TSC manufactures the 4health brand. TSC doesn’t even own a manufacturing plant. I don’t know it could be possible that the first couple of batches were made by Diamond, and then TSC could have moved the food over to Ainsworth? I thought that the 4health brand was owned by Diamond, but it could possibly be owned by TSC. I wish dog food manufacturers, or brand owners would stop being so freakin secretive, and just print on the bags, owned by__ and manufactured by __. But that would make too much sense, I guess. :)

  • Germansheppups

    I was in the TSC store yesterday and was told by the person (I guess the rep) of Ainsworth that they made both. Interestingly, TSC changed manufacturers for their bunny food as well. When I asked why they told me that they are moving to better manufacturers and better product.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Hi Labs-

    Honestly, I think its the rep at Diamond that was confused. According to the manager, it was the Ainsworth rep that brought him(personally) both the Source and the GF samples-at the same time. While I know confusion can occur, I find it hard to believe that he could get something like that confused-and the rep was in the store answering question for people regarding the two products during their pet week True, I am taking his word for it at this time, but again, I am thinking it was Diamond who was confused-If you look further down, someone else called diamond and was told Ainsworth. BTW-Diamond does NOT own the 4Health line-TSC does and can move it where ever they wish. If I don’t hear back from AInsworth in the am on Mon, I plan on calling them.

  • LabsRawesome

    He is mistaken. I called Diamond customer service. They told me that they (Diamond) make the new grain free 4health. I think the confusion is coming from some other new brand of food called Source, that is in fact, manufactured by Ainsworth. Unless Ainsworth is planning on buying Diamond, I doubt they will be making any Diamond owned products anytime soon.

  • Melissaandcrew

    This has been bothering me-who makes the food? When in TSC tonight, I was speaking to the manager about a different product and asked who makes the grain free 4Health.He gave me a sample of each and said “AINSWORTH-the same company that makes the new Source” I questioned him again, asked if he was 100 percent sure, and he said yes-as a matter of fact the rep was in 3 days ago bringing the samples of both and was there to discuss the new foods with customers. I again questioned him, and said “Are you sure its not Diamond? They make the grain inclusive line”..to which he responded…it appears likely that Ainsworth will be making ALL our foods in the near future/… Just emailed Ainsworth to find out.

  • Pattyvaughn

    I wonder why Diamond is of the impression that they make the food then.

  • Guest

    It is not made by Diamond, it is manufactured by Dad’s in Meadville PA

  • Hound Dog Mom

    If fish oil has a “fishy” smell and/or taste it’s rancid. If you’re using a fresh, quality fish oil there will be no odor (aside from a very mild “salty” smell) and you should be able to taste the oil and not detect a fish taste. Every few weeks I’ll bite into one of my fish oil capsule, if I smell or taste anything I throw it out.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Crazy4cats, I buy human grade fish oil (from Costco) for my 2 dogs. I just throw the gel caps in with their food, I do not open them, too stinky. lol. :)

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi!
    My dogs will eat anything as well. Just wasn’t sure if they would get the benefit of the oil if I didn’t open them up due to their digestive system being different than ours. I tried to cut one open the other day and I smelled like fish all day no matter how many times I washed my hands. Yuck! LOL! I have a big Costco size bottle for myself so glad to hear I can just share those with them. Thank you!

  • InkedMarie

    I’m not labs but you can buy dog salmon oil which is usually liquid or you can buy human liquid or capsules and just toss them into the food. My dogs eat anything that I put in their bowl so capsules/gelcaps are fine with them. I do have a liquid now because I have a dog that came to me with no teeth and I don’t yet know if she’d eat meds in her food

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Labs!
    I have two 80 lb labs. I am interested in adding fish oil to their food. Do you just put the capsules in their food? Or do you open them up and drizzle the oil over the food? I also have 4 cats and am embarrassed about how much pet hair we have! Help!

  • BJ

    Oops. I’m wrong. I thought Ainsworth manufactured Grain free 4 Health…but no, its a different Tractor Supply store food that Ainsworth makes. It looks like the 4 Health grain free is Diamond manufactured product.

  • BJ

    Diamond does not make this new Grain Free 4 Health dog food. I have tried this new grain free, the turkey and potato kind. My dogs love it! Diamond does still make the regular 4 Health food though.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Germansheppups –

    Concerning the new grain-free 4Health – Labs called Diamond and they told her they make the food. I called Tractor Supply and they told me the food was made by Diamond. I believe I know where the Ainsworth confusion is coming from however. Tractor Supply is the exclusive retailer of another new grain-free brand called “Source” – this food is manufactured by Ainsworth.

  • Germansheppups

    I called Diamond today to see what kind of answer I would get as to who manufactures the food. Diamond said they don’t make this food, and gave me the phone number Ainsworth. So for what it’s worth, maybe it’s not a Diamond product. Since we have all had different answers it’s hard to know for sure though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ddikeman Deb Dikeman

    Hi Group,
    I have recently been feeding the 4 Health Fish/ potato.. to my 8 month old King Shepherd pup, she is doing very well on it . so far still mixing it 50/50 with the Eukanuba lg breed puppy that she has been raised on.The Eukanuba is a less than middle of the road food in my opinion , but its what I have been able to afford while I was feeding a large kennel of dogs and could get it at my supplier at a reasonable price in 44 lb. breeder bags.
    She is the last of my breeding line that I now own and see a marked difference in her lack of doggie odor for one. And she really enjoys eating this product!
    The canned 4 health is also very good and reasonably priced too…thanks
    Deb
    Twinwillowskings.com

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Stopped in a Tractor Supply today and saw this. This is an exclusively Tractor Supply brand so it must’ve been why people were getting confused about 4Health being made by Ainsworth – they probably called Tractor Supply and just asked where their new grain-free food is being made. It was $50.99 for a 24 lb. bag a my store. I have to agree with Labs – over 50 bucks for a food with only 28% protein (most of which probably comes from the peas and pea protein) is a little steep imo. Eathborn and Victor are cheaper and much better quality.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Not sure if it will alter the overall rating for the line, but Tractor Supply has updated their website and no longer lists poultry by-product meal in the ingredients for the Grain-Free Turkey & Potato formula. So it was a mistake.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deb.fechnerdrietz Deb Fechner Drietz

    Thank you Labs! I will try that. I gave 3 of my Boston Terriers baths last week and my tub was loaded with hair! I got a cup and a half of hair out of it, so I freaked out and said no more Diamond products. However, I have only given TOTW to my cats, and not my dogs, so I did purchase a bag of the Wetlands TOTW and am going to see how that goes. I will try the oil though, that has got to help. Thank you
    again!

  • LabsRawesome

    Melissa- don’t get me wrong, it looks like a decent food. I just wouldn’t pay that much money for that size bag w/ those ingredients. Victor is a better buy. But I just checked, and it’s not available in my area yet. When it gets here, I will definitely give Victor a try, Thanks again for all the info on Victor. :)

  • Melissaandcrew

    Lol. I did not look that closely at the bag size/ingredients, but I think its another option for those that are looking.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Melissa, Source GF is available in 4,12,and 24lb packages. 50 bucks seems like a lot for a 24lb bag. Especially when the food uses Poultry fat. That ingredient is kinda sketchy in a “premium” dog food.

  • Ulises

    Great information! Thanks

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Deb, I have used TOTW, 4health, Nature’s Domain. I did not have the issues you mentioned. One difference is, I give my dogs human grade fish oil. It is great for skin and coat, heart health, Arthritis, ect. All dog foods are seriously lacking in omega 3′s with an over abundance of omega 6. Krill oil is even better, but costs more. My 2 dogs DO NOT shed, and their fur is super soft and shiny, since I started adding fish oil to their food. 2 1,000 mg capsules a day. Give it a try, it really works.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Melissa, I went to the source site and it’s available in 4, 12, and 24lb bags. I would be interested in the grain free, but 50 bucks for a 24lb bag seems pricey. Especially with Poultry fat, which is a lower grade ingredient, and kinda sketchy. It is not on the TSC site yet. I checked, looking for price information.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Labs called Diamond, and they say they do make this food, oh, never mind, you mean Source.

  • Jan_Mom2Cavs

    I sure wish this food was available in Ohio because I have relatives who purchase their food at TCS and this would be another one to recommend…and something Diamond doesn’t make.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deb.fechnerdrietz Deb Fechner Drietz

    I have used several Diamond products in the past 2 years, Naturals, Professional, TOTW, 4 Health and I have to say I gave them all a good try and I am done with them all. I had my dogs on 4 Health and cats on Naturals. up until yesterday, (have not tried the grain free),and I have never in my life seen such shedding, puking, awful looking coats, and loose stools. I experienced this with both the dogs and the cats. I am going back to Wellness for the dogs and Evo or California Natural for the cats. I am steering clear of anything remotely related to Diamond.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Thanks Labs! I was actually a little surprised to read here that it wasn;t made by Diamond.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey Melissa, Call Diamond. I did, and they told me that the new grain free 4health IS made by Diamond. Viv may have called TSC, their customer support is pretty much clueless. Hound Dog Mom called TSC and they tried to convince her that 4health is made by TSC. Lol they don’t even own a manufacturing facility. If you call Diamond, you will get correct answers. Oh btw, not sure if you saw my other post, but 4health canned is made by Simmons, in case you’re interested.

  • Crazy4cats

    Well, as a matter of fact, I not only have a Costco, I work for them! Just looking for another good value to rotate with the kirkland. Sounds like close to the same product, but more money. Thank you for saving me the trip! I have two big lab mixes a long with my four cats so am always looking for good food at a good price!

  • Melissaandcrew

    Btw-new new food by Ainsworth only sold by TSC is Source. Website is http://www.sourceforpets.com The turkey/pea is limited ingredient and grain free. Pricing at approx $49.99 for 30lbs in my area.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Well something is off with everything. According to Viv, she called Diamond and they said that they do not make the grain free variety..Either way, I find it scary that they do not know if they make it or not…ugh..

  • Viv

    The number on the bag of grain free dry cat food is: 1-888-376-9601 (Tractor Supply’s Number)
    The address listed on the bag is:
    Tractor Supply Company
    200 Powell Place
    Brentwood, TN 37027
    Underneath this it says:
    Made in USA
    The phone number I’ve given you is a Tractor Supply number and the bag says to call it for custormer support. However, when I called them they they gave me another Tractor Supply number to call for customer support. When I called that number, they didn’t know who made the grain free 4Health pet foods. Confused? I sure am.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Germansheppups, No, Dads does NOT manufacture 4health grain free. I called Diamond customer support, and they said the new grain free 4health is made by Diamond. And in case your interested the canned 4health is made by Simmons. Give Diamond a call, TSC customer support is clueless. They probably just gave you the first dog food manufacturer that popped up on their computer. TSC was trying to convince Hound Dog Mom that Tractor supply manufactures 4health. lol they don’t even have a dog food manufacturing facility. lmao.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi crazy4cats, No, 4health is not sold by the case. Just individually @ 99 cents a can. If you have a Costco, then Kirkland is the better buy.

  • Germansheppups

    TSC told me Ainsworth/Dad’s manufactured it, along with the new Ainsworth food they have. I think it is called Source or something like that. This is confusing! Maybe I’ll give Ainsworth a call tomorrow.

  • crazy4cats

    Is the 4health canned sold by case as well? We don’t have a tractor supply here in WA state, but we have a Del’s Feed store that I recently found out is affiliated with the Tractor Supply chain and carries the 4health line according to web site. Maybe I’ll check them out. Thank you very much for your replies :)

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi crazy4cats, yes, I have used both 4health canned and Kirkland cuts in gravy. The Kirkland averages out to about 70 cents per can. And the 4health is 99 cents per can. My dogs like both products. I feel that the Kirkland looks more appetizing, it also seems to have more chunks and less gravy.

  • crazy4cats

    Hi-
    Have you tried the 4health canned food? I’m wondering if it is pretty much the same as the Kirkland Cuts and Gravy that is also manufactured by Simmons and around the same price.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey HDM, yeah that’s why I called Diamond. TSC customer support is definitely clueless. lol. Did you see my other post? 4health canned is made by Simmons Pet. I am going to post this info on the canned 4health review.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    What a bummer. I just called earlier too (Tractor Supply) and was told Diamond makes it. What a performance getting the information – Tractor Supply seriously has the most clueless customer service reps. First she told me Tractor Supply manufactured the food themselves, I kept telling her no you don’t have a dog food manufacturing plant and she kept insisting they did. Finally I got her to forward my call to someone else and they told me Diamond makes it.

  • LabsRawesome

    I just found out who manufactures 4health canned food. It is made by Simmons Pet care. Phone# (866) 463-6738.

  • LabsRawesome

    Other Guest, I just got off the phone with Diamond customer support. Diamond manufacturers the new Grain free 4health.

  • Germansheppups

    I called Tractor Supply this morning. It’s made by Ainsworth/Dad’s. I might give it a try at some point

  • InkedMarie

    Wow, what a cavalier attitude. Since you obviously feed a Diamond food, you should be very happy your dog is still alive. Drop the ball? Yep, they did. Hey, if you’re happy that your dogs food is manufactured by a company that used cardboard and duct tape on the machinery, then good for you. I’ll stick to dog foods that have not had any recalls. No one can say they won’t but there are way too many dog foods on the market to choose one that has had recalls.

  • michelle

    this is interesting. i’ve been feeding 4health lamb and rice dry dog food. in the last 2 weeks i tried the chicken and rice formula. now my 4 year old boxer is in my laundry room with fever and won’t eat. we took him to the vet, did a full blood work and an mri.white blood cell county slightly elevated and a low grade fever. mri was all clear. this was monday . i fed him a can of alpo to get him to eat and he ate a full can and finally drank water. is his a concidence ? i really thought i was doing good by feeding the 4 health brand ????

  • Melissaandcrew

    What is the phone number and address on the bag? I want to know because if in fact it is not made by Diamond, I might actually try it at some point! thanks

  • Melissaandcrew

    Went to TSC tonight-Beef tallow is in fact on the bag of food. For a GF, all varieties seem to be lower calorie with higher feeding requirements 3-4 cups for a 40-60 lb “average” activity dog. Approx 3500 kcals per kg.

    Also, the TSC by me(Ny) is carrying a new line by Ainsworth that is corn/wheat/soy free-not grain free, but it does include a limited ingredient turkey variety. The sign states avail only at Tractor supply-called “Source” it actually looked 1/2 way decent if you dont mind some grains in it. Pricing at $49.99 for 30lbs. There is a website on the bag, but I must be remembering it incorrectly as it can not be found. ugh!

  • Pattyvaughn

    So you’re saying it doesn’t matter what Diamond does as long as it’s not your dog that dies.

  • Delgada Dawn

    Okay, Diamond isn’t THAT bad. So they dropped the ball a few times? It happens with both pet and human food! However, Diamond manufactures pretty impressive food. TOTW saved my dog from death’s door. All I can say is continue to do your research and stay vigilant with both YOUR food and your pet’s food. Opinions are opinions, but don’t keep dwelling on the past unless your pet was a victim of the mishaps.

  • Other Guest

    I may be mistaken, but I believe the GRAIN FREE VERSION OF 4HEALTH is made by Dad’s Pet Food, not Diamond. I know the original, non-grain free versions are made by Diamond but not the new grain free varieties.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    That would be awesome if it’s true that the grain-free 4health isn’t made by Diamond. I had the same experience with Tractor Supply’s customer service – they’re useless. I called to ask who manufactured the 4health canned and they told me Diamond – Diamond doesn’t even make canned foods, only dry. I’ll have to try to dig some information up on this though, I’m very curious.

  • Viv

    I just got off the phone with Diamond regarding who makes the 4Health grain free dog and cat food. Diamond does NOT make the grain free varieties. However, Diamond does make the 4Health cat and dog food that contains grain. I called the number on the bag of the 4Health grain free dry cat food that I just purchased (2/12/2013), and it is a number for Tractor Supply. They could not answer my question and gave me another number which I called. No luck with finding out who actually makes the grain free 4Health pet food. The bag does say made in USA.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi InkedMarie, I agree, but I will still take the grain free over the grain inclusive. Even w/ a lower rating. Because grains are not needed and can cause problems/sickness. As you know, grains can also contain molds/toxins & are more than likely genetically modified.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hey HDM, no, I didn’t have a chance to check the bag of the beef formula. The guy was just setting up the shelves when I got to TSC. I saw the price stickers on the empty shelves, so I asked an employee. He said yes he had it in the back, and he was just getting ready to bring it out. So I just asked for a bag of the Turkey formula. I got the cat formula too, the fish one. My cats love it. They would not even eat the Earthborn fish formula, so I returned it and got the Primitive Naturals which the cats loved. I am hoping the bag is correct. I am going to email TSC and see what they say. :)

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Patty, I agree. If the ingredient list on the bag is wrong, they should at least put a sticker w/correct ingredients.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Yes, I’ve gone looking for your old posts before trying to find something. That is strange.

  • aimee

    I’m not registered with Disqus… so that likely plays a role. But though not registered, Disqus does still archive all my comments which can be found by clicking on a blue link. I just don’t know why the inconsistency. Why not either all grey or all blue LOL

  • Pattyvaughn

    I thought it had to do with who is registered with Disqus and who isn’t.

  • Dogsr4me

    Maybe is has to do with how/which account you sign in/post with. I use Disqus and my screen name is blue in the thread comments. I’m not sure, just thought it was the way the new set up worked.

  • Jamie as Guest

    could you please review sportmix wholesomes? Not sure where else to ask you.

  • http://DogFoodAdvisor.com/ Mike Sagman

    Hi Aimee,

    I’m stumped by this issue, too. Disqus controls 100% of these these features. Otherwise, I’d make an attempt to answer this question for you. Thanks for calling this to my attention.

  • aimee

    LOL I never noticed that til you pointed it out !

  • Jamie as Guest

    I agree!! Just being nosy is all :-/ And did not want to get off topic by discussing what I feed here.

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    With so many good/great non-Diamond foods to choose from, personally I’d steer clear of anything from Diamond.

  • Jamie as Guest

    yours is gray too LOL But they changed format of how posts look under reviews so that may be why. I am not a regular, I stop in once in awhile. I was actually looking to see if there was review for sportmix wholesomes when I saw new review for this grain free. I had to sneak a peak. I am sure many people have great luck with 4Health or Diamond mfg products, however I just lost my faith :)

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    My apologies. I rarely look over there, and didn’t realize names showed up different there than in the actual threads. Thanks

  • aimee

    I noted that on the threads “Jamie as Guest” name is in grey and clicking on it won’t bring up older posts. But in the recent comments on the review pages the name is in blue. It is also in blue on the recent comments page. Clicking through on either of those takes you to older posts. Not sure why it doesn’t show up that way on the threads

  • Dogsr4me

    You can when their post shows to the right column, just for future reference if you need to see additional postings.
    I also wanted to know what the food reference was and easily found the post by clicking her/his screen name.

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    I was talking to “Jamie as Guest”. You’ll notice that the name is gray, and you can’t click on it to see previous posts.

  • Dogsr4me

    I’m not seeing the difficulty? Just click on her blue name to the right under recent comments and they will all show up.

  • http://www.thegreedypinstripes.com/ BryanV21

    If you want people to be able to track your previous posts easier, then it would be better to either get a Disqus ID or log-in with something like Facebook. Using a name rather than “Guest” is better than nothing, but it’s still not easy to find your stuff like that.

  • Jamie as Guest

    P.S. before format changed I always posted as just Guest, now I added my first name because I saw other comments posted as just “guest” :o )

  • Jamie as Guest

    Because it shows comments on right side of page and it showed my comment after I posted. It is under pro pac, I assumed you guys would have seen it. (sorry I am not a regular) I only stop here once in awhile.

  • InkedMarie

    you’re posting as a guest, how are we supposed to find your comment?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140685339 Betsy Greer

    Unfortunately, since you’re signed on as a guest, we can’t click on your profile and see your others comments. The only way someone could find your other comment would be to look through every single product review.

    Your comment is now contributing to what Dr. Mike refers to as “off topic” conversation ~ more than it would’ve had you just mentioned the other food – - which I’ll admit had me curious too when I read your original post.

    You’re not alone in your dislike of Diamond products. I don’t trust them as a manufacturer either ~ the ingredients are decent, but the manufacturing process is their weak link; so when you mention a food that’s comparable in price but ten times the quality, you have to expect that people want to know what you’ve chosen.

    I, for one, still am curious! Can you at least provide a link to your other comment?

  • Jamie as Guest

    Seriously I read reviews often and people get attacked, not to mention it bothers me when I read a review and have to weed through so many comments on other foods to get to the point.. I explained above why I did not feel my choice should be commented here (not to mention is it is not grain free, again off topic).

    I have also seen site owner ask people to limit comments to the review.

    I did what I said I would do and posted on the food I feed :)

  • InkedMarie

    Yup, this is why all grain free foods are not alike! Grain inclusive as well!

  • InkedMarie

    I don’t know why saying what food you’re feeding sounds like you’re promoting a food….we do it all the time, even on other foods here.

  • Pattyvaughn

    So true!!

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Agreed. But then again we’re talking about a food manufactured by Diamond sold by a store whose customer service reps don’t even know who manufactures their canned food. lol.

  • Pattyvaughn

    Since it’s new bags, you would think they would be acurate, but if they printed the bags and then decided to change the forula, they are allowed to use up the bags. I personally don’t think this should be allowed, I think the bag should alway present a completely acurate picture of what is inside it.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Someone else posted that the ingredients on the bag were different than what’s on the website. Did you happen to notice if the beef tallow is listed on bag for the beef formula? I’d would think the ingredients on the bag would be the accurate ingredients, but who knows. It’d be nice if they’d correct the discrepancy because I’m fairly sure the rating would go up to 4 stars if the beef tallow and by-products weren’t there.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Hound Dog Mom, I agree. But I have a bag of the Turkey formula, and it states Turkey,Turkey meal,Whole Potato,Poultry meal,Dried peas,Tapioca,Pea protein,Poultry fat. No mention of by-products on the bag, But the website does say by-product, I wonder which one is correct, bag or TSC site? This line could’ve easily been a 4 star with a few slight ingredient adjustments. But it does deserve it’s 3.5 star rating. It is a middle of the road food. I’m not too worried about it, as I only use a small amount of kibble. I feed mostly canned and fresh. :)

  • Pattyvaughn

    Which one?

  • Pattyvaughn

    You are likely right.

  • Jamie as Guest

    Not impressed with any Diamond products. I have fed it on and off for years. I know many who rave over it, good for them. Was not good for me, I had bad experience with the food and do not trust quality control. I found a new feed comparable in price but 10x the quality :)

  • Hound Dog Mom

    All they really would’ve had to do to get 4 stars is omit the beef tallow and the by-products (in the turkey formula) because at 31% dm the protein is on par with the other 4 star foods. I’m not crazy about the pea ingredients, but most of the lower priced 4 star foods utilize peas. I mean maybe the food would have to be a little more expensive without tallow and by-products but I still think it could have been cheaper than TOTW – my guess is 4Health is trying to be lower priced than TOTW so there’s not as much competition.

  • Pattyvaughn

    They had to work at keeping it as cheap as possible, not as healthy as possible.

  • Hound Dog Mom

    Wow, rated even lower than the grain-inclusive 4Health. That’s not good.