4Health Grain Free Dog Food (Dry)


Rating: ★★★★☆

4Health Grain Free Dog Food receives the Advisor’s second-highest tier rating of 4 stars.

The 4Health Grain Free product line includes nine dry dog foods.

Each recipe below includes its related AAFCO nutrient profile when available on the product’s official webpage: Growth, Maintenance, All Life Stages, Supplemental or Unspecified.

  • 4Health Grain Free Puppy [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Small Breed [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Beef and Potato [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Turkey and Potato [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Large Breed (3.5 stars) [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Chicken and Vegetables [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Pork and Potato (3.5 stars) [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Duck and Potato (3.5 stars) [U]
  • 4Health Grain Free Whitefish and Potato (3.5 stars) [U]

4Health Grain Free Beef and Potato formula was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

4Health Grain Free Beef and Potato

Dry Dog Food

Estimated Dry Matter Nutrient Content

Protein = 31% | Fat = 17% | Carbs = 44%

Ingredients: Beef, beef meal, pea protein, whole potato, dried peas, tapioca, sunflower oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), dried plain beet pulp, whole flaxseed, natural flavor, salt, potassium chloride, beef tallow (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), zinc proteinate, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), choline chloride, manganese proteinate, l-carnitine, copper proteinate, niacin, d-calcium pantothenate, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin D3 supplement, riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin A supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, calcium iodate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), folic acid

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.4%

Red items indicate controversial ingredients

Estimated Nutrient Content
Guaranteed Analysis28%15%NA
Dry Matter Basis31%17%44%
Calorie Weighted Basis27%35%38%
Protein = 27% | Fat = 35% | Carbs = 38%

The first ingredient in this dog food is beef. Although it’s a quality item, raw beef contains about 80% water. After cooking, most of that moisture is lost, reducing the meat content to just a fraction of its original weight.

After processing, this item would probably account for a smaller part of the total content of the finished product.

The second ingredient is beef meal. Beef meal is considered a meat concentrate and contains nearly 300% more protein than fresh beef.

The third ingredient is pea protein, what remains of a pea after removing the starchy part of the vegetable.

Even though it contains over 80% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The fourth ingredient is potato. Potatoes can be considered a gluten-free source of digestible carbohydrates. Yet with the exception of perhaps their caloric content, potatoes are of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

The fifth ingredient includes dried peas. Dried peas are a good source of carbohydrates. Plus they’re naturally rich in dietary fiber.

However, dried peas contain about 27% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The sixth ingredient is tapioca, a gluten-free, starchy carbohydrate extract made from the root of the cassava plant.

The seventh ingredient is sunflower oil. Sunflower oil is nutritionally similar to safflower oil. Since these oils are high in omega-6 fatty acids and contain no omega-3’s, they’re considered less nutritious than canola or flaxseed oils.

Sunflower oil is notable for its resistance to heat damage during cooking.

There are several different types of sunflower oil, some better than others. Without knowing more, it’s impossible to judge the quality of this ingredient.

The eighth ingredient is beet pulp. Beet pulp is a controversial ingredient, a high fiber by-product of sugar beet processing.

Some denounce beet pulp as an inexpensive filler while others cite its outstanding intestinal health and blood sugar benefits.

We only call your attention here to the controversy and believe the inclusion of beet pulp in reasonable amounts in most dog foods is entirely acceptable.

The ninth ingredient is flaxseed, one of the best plant sources of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Provided they’ve first been ground into a meal, flax seeds are also rich in soluble fiber.

However, flaxseed contains about 19% protein, a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With three notable exceptions

First, we find beef tallow, a fatty by-product of beef rendering. Tallow is high in saturated fats.

Historically, tallow was used to make soap and candles. But today, due to its low cost, this fat is typically associated with lower quality pet foods.

Next, we find no mention of probiotics, friendly bacteria applied to the surface of the kibble after processing to help with digestion.

And lastly, this food contains chelated minerals, minerals that have been chemically attached to protein. This makes them easier to absorb. Chelated minerals are usually found in better dog foods.

4Health Grain Free Dry Dog Food
The Bottom Line

Judging by its ingredients alone, 4Health Grain Free looks like an above-average dry product.

But ingredient quality by itself cannot tell the whole story. We still need to estimate the product’s meat content before determining a final rating.

The dashboard displays a dry matter protein reading of 31%, a fat level of 17% and estimated carbohydrates of about 44%.

As a group, the brand features an average protein content of 29% and a mean fat level of 16%. Together, these figures suggest a carbohydrate content of 47% for the overall product line.

And a fat-to-protein ratio of about 56%.

Near-average protein. Near-average fat. And near-average carbs when compared to a typical dry dog food.

When you consider the protein-boosting effect of the pea protein, dried peas and flaxseed in this recipe and the multiple legumes contained in other recipes, this looks like the profile of a kibble containing a moderate amount of meat.

Bottom line?

4Health Grain Free is a plant-based dry dog food using a moderate amount of various named species as its main sources of animal protein, thus earning the brand 4 stars.

Highly recommended.

Please note certain recipes are sometimes given a higher or lower rating based upon our estimate of their total meat content and (when appropriate) their fat-to-protein ratios.

4Health Dog Food
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Notes and Updates

02/26/2016 Last Update

  • Susan

    Hi another really good Diamond product is “Taste Of The Wild” Sierra Mountain, Roasted Lamb, it’s a single protein & has limited ingredients & is low in Kcals per cup-338, My boy has IBD & Skin allergies & does really well on the TOTW kibble..
    I would rotate your dogs food & feed another protein source instead of just feeding a fish protein kibble, products with fish as the main protein source tested worse with toxins & contaminates, here’s the “Clean Label Project” link, you’ll see the top 10 good kibbles were mainly Chicken & Turkey as these proteins are more cleaner, the bottom 10 toxic kibbles had fish as main protein… now I know why my boy kept having an IBD flare after eating salmon, whitefish, anchovy, sardine kibbles he must have a very sensitive stomach/bowel & picks up when the protein source is really bad.. http://www.cleanlabelproject.org/product-ratings/pet-food/

  • Bobby dog


  • Pitlove

    Hi Spanielvet-

    I think the doctors I currently work with would love to work at your clinic! They don’t get their food for free. Neither do the vet techs or front desk. Glad you found a food that is working for your pets.

  • spanielvet

    Normally, I don’t leave reviews, but I feel I need to for this one. First, let me preface this by saying I am a veterinarian. I have 3 babies: 2 spaniels and a mutt. My mutt has an extremely sensitive stomach and allergies. My spaniels are super healthy, but tend to be overweight. I have come to love 4health because it solves all of my problems. This food is THE ONLY food that my spaniels have lost weight on, including prescription diet food. They continue to maintain a healthy weight on the food. The caloric content is great for them! My mutt can tolerate this food well, no diarrhea and less itchy all together. Also, price is amazing. I have peace of mind knowing that the ingredients are sound. I know there was questions regarding the whole diamond production, but they have truly stepped up their game. I’m very pleased. I chose to feed all of my kids the g/f whitefish and potato over Hill’s science diet (which we get for free I might add). Take it from me, just give it a try. Every food is different for every dog.

  • disqus_SBl7sCuYS7

    No, I have not heard of food causing seizures. Seizures are a neurological disorder, often idiopathic.
    Consult your vet, if the seizures occur more than once a month or are severe, medication may be indicated to keep the dog comfortable and to prevent brain damage.

  • Susan

    Hi, I don’t think it’s the food but I always recommend you rotate between a few different brands & proteins so the dog isn’t eating the same food 24/7..
    Do you use Bravecto or Nexgard for fleas & ticks?? what do you use to stop fleas? Have you given any Heartworm meds, chemicals on the body or orally, your dog may have just been predisposed to seizures, it’s hard to say….

  • Birde Clarkson

    my 60 pound hound mix has been on 4 health chicken and rice around 1 and half years, out the blue he is having seizures has anyone heard about dogs on 4 health with seizures?

  • Nancy

    Be careful with 4 health puppy formula. Had an issue with my 5.5 month old puppy and that food. Bought a bag about 3 weeks ago, he started having diarrhea and vomiting with lethargy and weepy eyes. Stopped feeding it, he stopped all symptoms.
    Got another bag (exchanged the two) and it started again.

    Have my pup on Acana Free-Run Poultry and he is doing well. Been on it for a week now. (:

  • Sherrie

    Jamie you might try googling Fromm Dog foods website.
    It’s owned by a family that has been in the dog food business for generations.
    To my knowledge never a recall.

  • Brenda Stines Mills

    hills has a lot of grain in it…..IF your pup has food allergies, hills my not be the best choice….

  • Brenda Stines Mills

    my Rhodesian has grain allergies…..i use 4 health grain free…..he has been rash free since…..they just came out with grain free pork…..he loves it…..

  • Louis Coker

    Thank you today I mixed his food with 2 other brands and he gobbled it down. I guess mixing gave him a variety of flavor. The pom continued to enjoy 4 health alone.thank you very much

  • Susan

    Hi Christina, which Hills vet diet is your eating?? once your dog is stable & doing well in the vet diet start adding 1 new ingredient to her/his diet for 6 weeks to see if she reacts, what I started to add was potato, cooked potato with Patches meal everything was good so I knew Patch can eat potatoes, then I stopped the Potatoes & added boiled sweet potato for 6 weeks, same Patch was fine, then I started adding boiled chicken breast & patch got his red paws & was licking his paws 20mins after eating the added chicken to his meal & real itchy body & poos became sloppy as the weeks went by so now I know Patch is sensitive to chicken… look at ingredients in kibbles & then I started to introduce those ingredients to his meal.. it can take from 1 day up to 6 weeks to have food sensitivities & show symptoms to a food/ingredient…then once you’ve worked out what your dog can eat then look for a limited ingredient kibble with those ingredients & see how he/she does but make sure you slowly introduce the new kibble to the Hills vet diet over 1-2 week period…
    It’s taken me 3 yrs to work out Patches food sensitivities but it’s worth it now..
    Look at “Canidea” Pure Formulas when you want to introduce a new kibble, Canidae Pure formulas have limit ingredients.. the Pure Sea is really good for dogs with skin problems or the Pure Wild or Pure Land for stomach & bowel problems.. It all depends on what meat proteins your dog may be sensitive too, if your dog can’t eat potato or sweet potatoes then look at the Canidae,Under the Sun formulas.. they’re potato free

  • Susan

    Hi Louis, start rotating between a few different brands & different proteins… I feed “Pro Pac Ultimates”, Bayside Select Whitefish, for breakfast & sometimes the Pro Pac Meadow Prime Lamb then for Dinner Patch gets “Taste Of The Wild”, Sierra Mountain Roasted Lamb, this way he doesn’t get bored eating the same food 24/7.. if there’s something wrong with 1 brand of kibble, he doesn’t eat enough too cause any long term health problems cause I’m always rotating his kibbles….all these brand kibbles I’ve mentioned are all small sized kibble, so easy to digest & chew….

  • Louis Coker

    4 health puppy lamb and rice seems to be very good for the pomeranian we have but the Akita has slowed down on his consumption of this food it seems like he do sent like the flavor I’m not sure. Their stools have also become a bit softer. The pom seems to enjoy the flavor very much . He picked at his food Purina before now he eats a full meal with this.

  • Pitlove

    Aimee took my explanation of why using the prescription diet is necessary right out of my mouth, so refer to her post! Lol!

  • Christina

    Yes. She is only allowed to eat her food (Hills diet) and he suggested carrots or green beans as a treat only. Nothing else.

  • aimee

    Hi Christina,

    Yup the food is pricey no doubt about that. The quality control to ensure that the only ingredients are those listed in the bag is pricey and the production run smaller than other runs so less product to spread costs over.

    Unfortunately It is quite common that limited ingredient diets sold in pet stores are contaminated with multiple other sources. Nothing against the companies.. it is just the nature of the business. However, it makes them unsuitable to use for a real food trial. You could of course try a lesser cost option but bear in mind if it fails you can’t cross food reaction off the list.

    Food trials are very difficult to do correctly and yes a pure food to do them with is pricey. Instead of thinking of the cost as buying food think of it as running a medical test. Once you know the answer often a less costly food can be found for the long term.

  • Pitlove

    Hi Christina-

    Is your vet suggesting you do an elimination diet with the Hill’s prescription food?

  • disqus_SBl7sCuYS7

    I would listen to the vet that examined your dog, also, if you don’t see improvement and the allergy symptoms continue for 1 year/4 seasons, consider seeing a veterinary dermatologist.
    BTW: Mail in saliva/hair tests don’t count as diagnostic tools and are a waste of money.
    You could try a grain free limited ingredient kibble and see if that helps.

  • Christina

    My vet thinks my dog has food allergies and recommended I use Hills prescription diet. But wow is the price of thag food way out of budget. My friend who has a dog with food allergies uses the None grain 4Health and I was wondering if this would be the best option to use besides Hills???

  • Pitlove

    Hi Debbie-

    Any breed of dog that will reach 50 lbs or more at maturity is considered a large breed dog. Female Boxers range from an average weight of 55-64 lbs and males range from an average of 60-71 lbs per the AKC. So yes, they would by definition be a large breed.

  • Debbie Doran-Flory

    Boxersare a medium sized breed. I have four right now, they are not a large breed dog

  • Amateria

    With how many dogs are guzzling water on that food you’d think they would change something already, I constantly keep reading new comments about Zignature and excessive drinking.

  • Susan

    Have a look at “Pro Pac Ultimates” Grain free formulas there’s Heartland Choice, it’s Chicken & Potatoes or there’s Prime Meadow it’s Lamb & Potatoes, Pro Pac Ultimates is made by “Earthborn Holistic” & has heaps better ingredients then this 4Health look at the ingredients it has Pea Fiber, Tapicoa. Beet Pulp & beef tallow…Beet pulp is a stool firmer most vet diets for stomach problems use the Beet Pulp to harden the poos…. http://www.propacultimates.com/dog-food/

  • Jamie Henderson

    FYI, I’ve found if you message through the TSC Facebook page you get a much quicker response.

  • Jamie Henderson

    I’ve been pulling my hair out trying to find the “perfect” food for my Boxers, one of which has sensitivities and seems to do better on a chicken and potato free food. Had never heard of this brand but just read about it. Looks great and I can’t wait to try it! My dogs have been on Zignature, which I like for the most part, but drink a TON of water after eating. Thank you!

  • Mike Edwards

    the beef and potato is made by diamond? or Ainsworth?

  • Deborah Smith

    Ainsworth stl make the beef and potato

  • Deborah Smith

    The beef and potato is I just ask

  • Mike Edwards

    I’ll take a peak around, see if anyone has it. Right now I found the “Sportmix Wholesomes” Chicken flavor which they seem to like (4 out of 5 stars too) but if I can find a good alternative to add to the rotation I’m glad to find one

  • Susan

    Hi Mike, if you like Victor then have a look at “Sport Dog Elite Series”…. http://www.sportdogfood.com/dog-food/active-sporting/performance/

  • Mike Edwards

    dawwwwww, what a pretty girl. Right now I’m honestly not sure HOW big she’ll get. she’s 8 months old tomorrow and still only 39 lbs (she grew like 11 lbs a month for 3 months straight and has been slowly just gaining a lb here and there. This last month has barely been a 2 lb growth so I’m honestly not sure HOW big she’ll get. she’s adorkable though. right now all she wants to do is play and chew her retriever roll and annoy her lazier older “sibling”

  • RebelRoseCowgirl

    My American Bully was barely 6 lbs when we brought her home at 8 weeks old. She’s now 73 lbs. so just know that she could very well end up becoming a large breed dog. It just depends on her genetics, upbringing and overall health. Depending on her breeding and with being on a balanced diet she could be medium or large sized.

    The pictures below show my baby girl when she was 8 weeks old (the night we brought her home), and the second picture shows how big she is as of March of this year.

  • Azul

    Sorry for the late reply, I just saw your post. Yeah their feet will have a Frito or corn chip smell.

  • Joey123456789

    I think we can rule out yeast then. there is no odor. I did read that it can take up to 12 weeks for a food allergy to clear up. He’s still licking but since his legs arent red anymore after 15lbs of the salmon and potato maybe I should keep him on it for the rest of the bag and see what happens? I have been using a couple times a day a homemade spray of water, aloe, hydrocortisone, baking soda and lavender oil. He hates being sprayed but that may be helping too.

  • Storm’s Mom

    No, I don’t see potato in the small bites either. The ingredients I see that are common between them are chicken/chicken products (the salmon one has “egg product” which is likely from/contains chicken eggs), cracked pearled barley, flaxseed, and dried chicory root. One has “ocean fish meal” and the other has “fish meal”, which may or may not be the same thing. Any of those ingredients could be causing the problem, although proteins are most likely (chicken/poultry in this case, possibly a fish/ocean fish of some kind). I’d try and find a lamb one without any of the other ingredients mentioned and see if that works. I’m currently feeding one that may fit the bill – Acana Lamb & Apple. It does have chicory root, but, honestly, of all the other potentially problematic ingredients, that’s the least likely one, so I’d give it a go. Hope that helps!

  • sandy

    They’ve been described as smelling like “corn chips” or “fritos”.

  • Joey123456789

    The first bag of 4health food we tried was the 35 lbs bag of small bites formula. His skin got irritated BUT we thought it was his allergies since it was spring time (he’s so sensitive). But taking caution that it was the food next time around we bought the salmon and potato (he’s eaten about 15 lbs of it so far). I could have overlooked it but I don’t see potato in the small bites formula. What ingredients are common allergens?

  • Joey123456789

    Would there be an odor associated with a yeast irritation?

  • Azul

    Storm’s Mom gave you good advice. The only thing I would add is, Google yeast foot soaks for dogs.
    It will give you directions on how to make a foot bath, and how long to soak the feet for.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Which foods have you fed your dog so far? (other than the two 4health ones) As Azul said, it’s likely yeast and/or an ingredient or ingredients common to two or more of the foods that is causing the problem.. comparing the ingredient lists to find the common ingredient(s), and then feeding a food without the common ingredient(s) would be where I’d go next with this. Definitely sounds like potato might be the first thing I’d try to eliminate.

  • Joey123456789

    We switched to 4health salmon and potato. He’s still irritated and licking. Im not sure what food to try next. Considering Duck and potato but I want to compare ingredients.

  • Azul

    Sounds like a food intolerence, or maybe yeast. Did you get the problem figured out? What food did you switch to?

  • Jo’Anna Stine

    The “white bag” small bites formula caused my dog to lick off his hair from all 4 legs. He’s a bichon poodle.

  • Mike Edwards

    I have. it’s still a couple bucks cheaper locally… I was just used to our local place that was in the $30-$38 range for the flavors vs. the $45-$52 of the new place (which is in line with Chewys)… the one good thing is that the Beef Victor is still the same at $33 a 40 lb bag. I just like to rotate flavors. I just wanted to get her sued to a few brand in case my last supply of Victor gets closed down and I can’t get any fast.. I have a TS just 2 miles from me so I wanted a backup of the NON diamond formulas in case I couldn’t get a bag that month or just to rotate in. I’ve also been thinking about Sportmix Wholesomes (not their lower end regular and premium lines) because it gets a 3.5-4 star rating on here, which is in line with the Victor and NOT made by diamond!! I’m not trying to get my little monsters a new food asap, but rather find something to rotate in and use as a backup if I can’t get my reliable old victor beef

  • Bobby dog

    I’ve never had a problem with the info TSC has provided me, my only issue was the amount of time required for a response.

  • Bobby dog

    Another approach I have used to find if Diamond is the manufacturer is to contact them and ask if they manufacture the kibble in question. They have provided a list of 4H kibbles, both dog and cat, to me in the past they produce and are very good at responding to inquiries quickly.


  • Azul

    I’m pretty sure that 4health gf turkey, gf beef, and gf cat food are made by Ainsworth. You should contact them tho, just to be sure.

  • Azul

    I called TSC once to inquire about 4health.
    The person that answered the phone told me that TSC made the food. lol
    I told her no TSC doesn’t make 4health, she was sure they did.
    So I asked her to look it up for me.
    She came back and said Ainsworth. Some of the grain free ones are made by Diamond.

  • Bobby dog

    I haven’t checked on 4Health kibble manufacturers in a while. Contact Ainsworth to see what formulas they make. They have always responded to my questions promptly, much faster than TSC:

    I would look into Chewy as well. It might be a little more, but it’s a good back up retailer. I have always received great service from them.

  • Pitlove

    Hi Mike-

    Have you looked at chewy.com for Victor? Very reasonably priced and free shipping over 49$

  • Mike Edwards

    Quick question. do we know if the 4health Turkey and the beef formulas are still NOT made by Diamond??? I normally use Victor, but the place I always get it from closed down this month (I was not happy) and the only other place in town that carries it is 35 miles away and charges $53 for the grain free and $42 for the non grain free varieties (my old place charged $41.99 for the gf and $32.99 for the regular) and I have a tractor supply just down the street. I had some “meh” luck with the 4health regular chicken and beef (dog was CHUGGING water and peed in the house as a result several times) but she always liked the GF turkey when we had it. Just wanted to make sure it was still not made by diamond before I go down and grab a bag

  • Josh Cooper

    Since American bulldog pit mix I started on the pup 4health food then 6 months started the adult grain free 4health meat rice potatoes for shiny coat and stops with shedding he’s two now and great shape doesn’t shed or get bloated there’s a lot of 4health brands just depends what they like they compare it to the blue and ingredients r almost exactly the same I’m not knocking any other foods but just saying my dog lean very active and just thing 4health the tractor supply brand of blue all my friends with pits use the same no allergies nothing was just happy to find a less expensive dog food without all them additives and bs pedigree and other contenders have so if neone needs a dog food to try 4heslth is was to go but like I said its tractor supply formula so u can only but it there thanks I’m sure not a lot of people will agree with me but I have 20 friends that raise Bulldogs and pits it’s there number one and the no grain is good for lactating bitches too as well I’m not a dog expert but every time I look up healthiest dog foods without all the nasty fillers 4health always at top thank u for time like said don’t want to start arguments just giving a very helpful suggestion

  • Eric Moore

    I would try Victor. Much more protein and less filler. Great price too!

  • Mike Edwards

    Ezri… we decided to keep star trek names in the family since we already have Riker…

  • LabsRawesome

    What’s her name? She is adorable. πŸ™‚

  • Crazy4dogs

    Thanks for rescuing her. Whatever her mix is she’s 100% cute!

  • Mike Edwards

    She is. I’m still doing potty training so she’s not AS adorable as I’d like sometimes. But she loves to cuddle and playes with my riker like a champ

  • Crazy4cats


  • Mike Edwards

    and speak of the devil. my email dings not 3 minutes after posting… I have the yukon formula right now that is the 1.8 and 1.3.. HOWEVER, the Active Puppy and dog formula and the chicken grain free formula are both 1.6 and 1.1… making it come out to 4.4 grams per 1000kcal and a 1.5 to 1 Cal to Phos ratio.. making it skate right under with the 4.5 gram per 1000 kcal upper limit and the 1.5 : 1 cal to phos limit…. luckily riker has had that food before and shouldn’t be a problem grabbing next time

  • Mike Edwards

    my bad… it was a late night for me too. yeah, I noticed it was 4.9 grams with 4.5 grams per 1000 being the limit… I’m still waiting back on a response to see if any of their other varieties meets the requirements

  • Pitlove

    That is actually the calcium/phos ratio. Here is what the calculator spit out


    Calcium = 4.9 g per 1000 kcal <–This number is too high for this food to be LBP safe πŸ™

    Ca to P ratio = 1.4 to 1

  • aimee

    At the high end of 1.8% Ca the diets exceeds the NRC safe upper limit for
    Ca content for growth.

    At the min 1.4 % the diets still exceed vet nutritionists recommendation of Ca of around 3 grams/1000 kcals for large breed growth.

  • Mike Edwards

    1.4 to 1

  • Pitlove

    Man it was late for me when I read that and did not catch that those were the MIN levels lol. What was the calcium/calorie ratio the calculator tool on here spit out with those new numbers?

  • Mike Edwards

    I realized that after I posted so I bounced back to them. they list it as 1.8% calcium on the high end and 1.3% phosphorus on the high end. at 3677 kcal/kg it’s at 1.4/1 ratio which is still within the 1.1-1.5/1 ratio that’s good for LB dogs

  • Hi Pitlove

    “1.4% Calcium and 1.0% phosphorous min stats…. ”

    If this is the min, doesn’t he need the max or as fed?

  • Pitlove

    If that is true then all of the GF formulas do meet the requirements for a LBP, but are approaching the safe upper limit. Still should be fine to feed though! Good news!

    Oh and as an aside…ratings aren’t everything.

  • Mike Edwards

    just got a response back… they list all of their grain frees as having 1.4% Calcium and 1.0% phosphorous min stats…. Someone was working late lol

  • Mike Edwards

    I’ll definitely let you know. I emailed them and expressed my desire for the specs on the grain free and the levels I was looking for and if not the grain free if they had any other varieties that fit that category. Riker eats all of the Victor varieties without twitching (he’s got a cast iron stomach, he can switch brands without transitioning at all… worst case scenario he has loose stools for a couple days)….

    and I feel ya on eating every freaking brand. in a year and a half I think we tried 15 different brands looking for something he liked. sadly the ones he REALLY liked are the ones I didn’t feel comfortable feeding due to crappy ratings or crappy ingredients …go figure lol

  • Pitlove

    I hear ya! Not only does my pitbull have the food sensitivities, but he is picky just like your Riker. I work for a family owned pet store and I think he’s eaten just about every food we carry lol.

    Let me know what Victor says. Would be nice to add them to my list of recommendations for LBP foods. I do like them.

  • Mike Edwards

    it doesn’t help that Riker, my Brindle Terrier/Whippet is a VERY picky eater. he WILL NOT (ever since puppy) eat dry kibble without some type of treat added. whether that be coconut oil, olive oil, wet dog food, sweet potato, an egg etc. even as a puppy he would nibble his food like he was bored. we would try new foods and he would eat it dry for like 2 days and then get bored. we finally settled on Victor since he likes it well enough, and it’s a 4 or 5 star rated food with no recall history and it was HELL trying to find a food he would eat even with toppers. I’m just leary of going on ANOTHER search for a dog food that works for this little monster, especially since she likes the victor with a little topper just fine. I’ll wait and report back when Victor has to say on the average phos and calc levels of their food before I make a final decision.

  • Pitlove

    I understand Mike! One of my boys has food hypersensitivies so I’ve just elected to put both the guys on the same food. Makes it so much easier!

  • Mike Edwards

    yeah, the protein one was a big one for years, one which coming from a human nutritional background made zero sense to me. Yeah, I’m not trying to NOT get her a LBP food, I’ve just spent months searching for a good food for our other dog and settled on Victor Grain Free for a variety of reasons (mostly great reviews, no diamond recalls and my puppy had problems with 4health diamond regular … he was drinking double what he normally did and was peeing a lot more.) and still have about 10 lbs left…it’s always fun finding a food that is both liked AND healthy for her. especially since no one knows EXACTLY how big she’ll be due to being an unknown mix. I might search around and find a LBP food and feed that for a few formative months until 6 months old …enough to make sure the critical growing stages are covered. I’ll email Victor first to get the Phos and Calcium levels before making an assumption though

  • Pitlove

    Problem is that the theories that surrounded DOD’s lingered for a long time and truthfully in some circles still do. Research over the last 20 years has proven all those theories to be false. The main one naming protein as the culprit for DOD’s. Sadly those who believed this 30+ years ago, who breed or show etc still perpecuate these theories and even when shown clinical research stating otherwise continue to argue.

    Like I said, it’s up to you if you choose to look into the food further to know if it’s LBP safe in case she is over 50 lbs. If she will be possibly 40 lbs, the calcium levels may pose no issue to her. Sometimes it’s hard with mixes when it comes to this kind of stuff!

  • Mike Edwards

    interesting. I was going off the old 2010-2011 days when most people were poo pooing LB foods. I’ll have to see what Victor lists for Calcium Phosphorus from them to be sure. I’m just wondering if she’ll even be large sized… the vet thinks she’ll top out at 40 lbs… at 9 weeks maybe 10 (we’re not sure, guestimamte) she’s only 5lbs and a few ozs. (not sure what her mix is exactly…she was a rescue from a jackass who just dumped her)

  • Pitlove

    No, large breed puppy foods have changed dramatically over the years now that a lot of the misconceptions about what causes DOD’s in growing LBP’s, have been cleared up. Most have reformulated with a lower calcium/phosphorus ratio and a lower calcium/calorie ratio. A lot of ALS formulas are formulated with large breed puppies in mind, but the only way to know if they are safe to is find out the MAX levels of calcium and phosphorus and input that info into this calculator

    Most of the time an email to the company is needed to find that info, as a lot of companies do not provide a nutrient analysis on their website and definitely not on the bag.

    Feeding large and giant breeds is a totally different ball game than small and medium breeds. It takes them far longer to reach mature weight than smaller breeds and because of that are at more of a risk for DOD’s by being fed a growth diet that was not formulated with restricted calcium since calcium intake and absorption is a nonfactor for most smaller breeds (breeds like Corgis being the exception). Also keeping them lean is hugely important (even a couple extra lbs put too much strain on their frame and joints) and restricting excersize. Early spay and neuter is another huge problem for large breeds since the growth plates haven’t fully closed.

  • Mike Edwards

    oh really? I thought in several of the discussions on this site that LBP food was mainly smoke and mirrors….that as long as you get a good quality ALS food then puppy and LB food was basically unnecessary? I actually got her to eat dinner like a pig by adding in just a little bit of HQ wet food to the Victor Grain free and she scarfed it like nobodies business. I took a look at the Victor Grain free and something like Nutro or Wellness LBP food and the stats weren’t very different at all.

  • Pitlove

    Yeah, they can list “Adult” on the front of the bag and market it that way because it techinally is not only a growth, but a maintenance (adult/senior) formula as well. They market some ALS foods as puppy as well. Thats why flipping over that bag and checking the AAFCO statement is so important!

    My only concern is that the Boxer breed is prone to hip dysplasia and since he is part Boxer, that could be expressed. Personally, though its up to you, if it were my dog, I would feed her a large breed puppy formula to play it safe!

  • Mike Edwards

    I just took a peak and it lists it as all life stages. strange because it lists “for adult dogs” on the front. guess we’re good to go there. as for 50 lbs and above. I SERIOUSLY doubt it. whatever she’s mixed with besides boxer makes for a smaller than normal dog. at 9 weeks old she’s barely over 5 lbs

  • Pitlove

    Hi Mike-

    What does the AAFCO statement on the back of the bag say? If it says all life stages it is a growth formula, and therefore meant for puppies. However if your dog will be over 50lbs at mature weight he needs to be fed a large breed puppy formula.

  • Mike Edwards

    Quick question. I have a 9 week old boxer mix puppy that doesn’t like the Victor Grain free formula I feed my whippet/terrier mix (we settled on the Victor for him since he seems to like that the best). My new pup is turning up her nose at the Victor and REALLY loves the leftover bag of 4health grain free Turkey and potato. the only problem is… the Victor is a 5 star all life stages food while the 4health grain free is listed as adult dog fomula. I don’t want to try the 4health puppy as it’s made by Diamond and we had some problems with it with my other pup (made him very dehydrated for some reason) .. .I know the Beef and the Turky flavors of 4health grain free are made by Ainsworth and I feel more comfortable with them vs. Diamond as the mfger, but the grain free label doesn’t have a specific puppy food.

  • sharron

    hi – i have a yorkie/chihuahua – hates dry food – have her on Zoe Turkey Small Breed with a just a bit of wet mixed in – she’s been eating this continuously for the past 3 months -first time in 6 yrs she’s eaten the same food steadily

  • Yorkie Poo Lover

    I have been trying some different foods for my yorkie poos so I bought Diamond Naturals. Not sure if they actually like it or just ate it because they were hungry so this time I am trying 4Health Lamb & Rice. Has anyone had any problems with this one?

  • Token

    Been feeding my dog the Turkey and Beef grain free foods for months, switching back and forth. This month he really didnt wanna eat the Turkey. And has vomited 3 out of the last 4 days. Maybe not food related. But Im switching and seeing if theres a difference. The Turkey food looks slightly different to me this bag. Maybe a bit smaller? Im assuming they havent changed manufacturers, but I guess you cant assume.

  • Juliann

    Yes the white bag has grain. Get the BROWN bag without grain. Our dogs love it. We usually get the 4health Grain Free Duck & Potato Dog Food and we just got the 4health Grain Free Chicken & Vegetables Formula they love both of them.

  • Natasha Myers

    The white bags have grain in them.

  • theBCnut

    Actually, the blood tests for food allergies are well know for having both false negatives and false positives. Knowledgeable vets will suggest doing an elimination diet to determine what foods a dog is reacting to.

  • Becky

    Spend the money at your vet to get allergy testing done to see what foods your dog is allergic to. They test 20 most common foods in dry kibble. It is a blood test that takes a couple weeks to get back and is VERY helpful.

  • Matt Farr

    White/cream same thing it’s not dark brown.

  • Jean

    Thank you.. You’re probably right.

  • Chris Engel

    The white bag is the puppy formula, that’s probly the reason why they ate doing that.

  • Jean

    Which one of the white bags? Which ingredients? ( I’ve had some dry skin here, that’s why I’m asking)

  • Jean

    All the bags are white top and bottom with the center being, blue, green, orange, brown etc… Which one is it? They are all different varieties. Then there are different color top and bottom “brown, I think” for Grain free.

  • Jean

    I don’t see a solid white bag. All the bags are white top and bottom with the center being, blue, green, orange, brown etc… Which one is it?

  • Jean

    Yes I have seen that! It’s fairly new. Mine right now are eating Salmon and Potato. The food is a small round flat disk. It don’t say “small bites” on the bag but it is. My 5 lb Chihuahua does great with it. “Tiny Pellets” in the small bites. I LOL this morning when I read that! Good one…. hahaha!

  • Deb

    They do have a 4Health small breed. It is tiny pellets. kinda the size of rabbit feces. lol Not a good example,but not sure how else to describe it. I switched from that to the duck as my dogs got bigger.

  • Deb

    Looks white to me.However,it does come in different variety as you scroll that page,so the specific kind is not clear.Is it the puppy or another? I also was feeding mine the puppy and had itching problems.switched to small breed and later now that he is older and bigger switched to the duck.No problems with the others.

  • Cindy Barnett

    As compared to brown or black that is white. Just what would YOU call it??? In the store it looks a lot lighter than this pic too.

  • Susan

    Tapioca.. When my boy eats any kibbles with tapioca he starts to itch & scratch…..try & find a kibble without any tapioca, also grain free isn’t always the best when it comes to itchy yeasty dogs, potatoes, peas, tapioca, carrots are all high starchy carbs, I prefer a kibble with fish as the protein & brown rice….remember less ingredients are best when you have a itchy dog & try to feed fresh foods replace one of their kibble meals with either a raw meal or cooked meal & add green veggies, broccoli, zucchini, celery, kale, bok choy etc if veggies are raw the cut up & blend in a blender…

  • Jade B

    I’m not sure why you have a snarky attitude when I haven’t judged anyone. I have offered advice & suggestions. I’m well aware that environment, surroundings & allergies can cause itchy skin, as can over breeding.

  • tds4ou

    Problems with itchy skin can be from just about anything actually (food and/or surroundings.) I have one that has allergies to fleas. All it takes is one bite which they can get anywhere here in the country. As a matter of fact, the one that is allergic to fleas did exactly what Bobo describes and he’s not the first German Shepherd I’ve had do that over flea allergies. So before any of you start judging anyone you need to walk in their shoes first.

  • vii vii

    I’m a bit worried about the fish meal as it is listed as a dangerous ingredient because of toxins. I bought salmon last month (same brand, grain free) and my dog refused to eat it. Hence why I’m looking here. Happy Trails

  • Cathie Sheffield Ursu

    I’m feeding 4Health Salmon and potato grain free right now and my dogs are having no problem. I won’t feed any food with grain. As for treats, they get carrots, celery, apples and bananas. No store bought treats.

  • LabsRawesome

    Okay. If you call that white. That is not white.

  • PyroTekRob
  • LabsRawesome

    4health does not come in a white bag.

  • Lynda

    Check Dad’s on THIS list – all their dog foods are rated ONE STAR and list a lot of ingredients that are questionable.

  • Lynda

    Walmart carries Dad’s dog food and treats.

  • txn64

    When one is chewing so bad to almost losing a tail when do you stop and realize something is wrong and change food and get your dog some help? That’s awful to hear. I just started my dog on the large breed grain free and after 4 days he has broken out with 2 bloody hot spots I found last night on him.. I am taking the food back tomorrow and switching it. I won’t allow him to eat another bite of it. My German Shepherd means too much to me.

  • txn64

    Feed the Whitefish.. Could be an allergy to Chicken. Also take dry weather in to consideration. People always forget this.. I add 2 tablespoons of unrefined organic coconut oil to their food daily. I started with one tablespoon daily then the next week went to two with my German Shepherds.

  • Juliann

    We had the same problem with our dogs with the dogs itching so much pulling their hair out and beet red. After a couple time to the Vet we switched to another 4Health dog food Grain free.

    We have been feeding them “4health Grain Free Duck & Potato” that is in the brownish color bag.

    The White bag is the one that was making our dogs pull the hair out and itch like crazy. Had to go to the Vet a couple time for one.

  • Juliann

    We had the same problem with our dogs. Then we we switched to another 4Health dog food Grain free.

    We have been feeding them “4health Grain Free Duck & Potato” that is in the brownish color bag.

    The White bag is the one that was making our dogs pull the hair out and itch like crazy. Had to go to the Vet a couple time for one. I

  • Renee Renshaw

    There’s a Web site called Skywatch tv.com where you will be able to order the book dead dogs don’t lie will be coming out November 17th it talks all about the dog food and what’s in them and what they’re doing to our animals

  • Renee Renshaw

    Dog foods have moisture which grows mold so you get micro fungiththere’s micro toxins.molds cause grain mites.Theres a book coming out called dead dogs don’t lie.These dog food companies are using the dead carcasses from dead animals from all the shelters and they are grinding it up into a powder protein powder and putting it in our dog foods there’s also chemicals so this is what is causing our dogs to get cancer and kidney failures and many other health conditions

  • Renee Renshaw

    I’m having same issue the tail thing and top of his head is bald and bloody from itching he’s on 4 health chicken and rice well chicken comes from china.

  • Bobo

    My husband and I as well as my sister in law were feeding our dogs the same type of 4health. I can’t remember which kind. We never had a problem till about 5 months ago. All 4 dogs started itching constantly, chewing their tails, one so badly she almost lost her tail. Scabs all over and giant bald spots. We thought it’s was hot spots being that it was summer. However, they continued to get worse. We switched to the 4health mature formula with no wheat or soy. They all started getting better. By the second bag all symptoms started over again. We switched to a new brand and now all 4 dogs are fine. Seems like the food is inconsistent or possibly contaminated. Will never buy 4health again. Totaled together we spent close to 5 grand because of this dog food.

  • Bobo

    We had same issue.My husband and I as well as my sister in law were feeding our dogs the same type of 4health. I can’t remember which kind. We never had a problem till about 5 months ago. All 4 dogs started itching constantly, chewing their tails, one so badly she almost lost her tail. Scabs all over and giant bald spots. We thought it’s was hot spots being that it was summer. However, they continued to get worse. We switched to the 4health mature formula with no wheat or soy. They all started getting better. By the second bag all symptoms started over again. We switched to a new brand and now all 4 dogs are fine. Seems like the food is inconsistent. Will never buy 4health again. Totaled together we spent close to 5 grand because of this dog food.

  • Sherrie Roberts

    I have been feeding my pups 4Health for awhile now, but recently (3 months) switched to Grain free for my rescue who has belly problems. My Aussie has been itching so much to were he has pulled out tons of his hair and has scabs all over. My 2 GSD have been a little more itchy as well. Just not as severe. The pitty on the other hand has been doing Great…

    Is there a certain flavor that may be causing the itchiness?

    I need your help and advice for the sake of my babies…

  • Braque Mama

    I feed my 6 pound Maltipoo 4Health Small Breed and she is doing very well. She went through a few different kinds of food before this because she wouldn’t eat (sometimes for days). Once I switched her to this grain free food for small breeds, she eats every day. Absolutely no diarrhea ever. Regular, solid stools. No vomiting, weight loss, itching, nothing negative. Good luck with your switch!

  • Jim Flora

    I have been feeding 4 health now for about a year now and my boxers love love it and had no problems as of now

  • Allyson

    Dad’s is a fairly new company, I checked it out. They make versions of cheap dog chow like Purina, and just recently went into grain free. They do private label foods so it is hard to find info on them without directly contacting them. I am happy with how TSC tries to help and work with you as a consumer, but just don’t trust these dog food companies well. It’s trial and error, plus having a dog with grain allergies I worry about contamination from some of these companies. If they continue to do fine having separate facilities for grain free and such, I would consider keeping them in my rotation, but if they start having contamination issues we will definitely be switching to other foods.

  • Donna Heimall

    I spoke with the manager of the TSC that i always go to, today (they sent out their 10% off coupons so I load up on dogfood), he asked me how my dogs were doing on the 4Health grain free. So we were talking for a bit, and he said that Diamond no longer makes the grain free version, they are now made by the company who made Dad’s (no idea about that one…..). The reasoning behind that was at the time, Diamond was not making their own grain free line- they are now- and were not able to keep up with the grain free demand from TSC, but the Dad’s company was able to dedicate an area. Once Diamond started making their own grain free, they COULD have switched back, but TSC wasn’t having any problems with Dad’s, so they didn’t. So hopefully that helps you rest a little easier….at least until we learn more about this Dad’s place!

  • Doxie7

    Robin, Have you tried Pure Balance??No grain,color or by products……Have many flavors….You can get it at Walmart and is rated 31/2-4 on here,we switched from Wellness to this a few years ago when it first came out and my gang loves it…We do the Salmon/peas which my little one with the tummy problem… has no problem anymore,,Bye Bye gas..lol I know you and everyone else is saying Walmart…but please check it out ..made in usa..also have can 95% meat……

  • Allyson

    I like the 4health grain free for the price but have noticed there are some formulas that have caused my dogs some problems before. It is made by Diamond, and I know they source their chicken among other ingredients from china. I avoid their chicken formulas, some of the other ones though are decent for the price, you just have to be very careful.

  • Jade Bacon

    Another thing to try (my mother in law did this with our senior dog) bake chicken breast, grind them up after cooking in a food processor; mix the ground up, cooked chicken with cooked brown rice. It will stretch *much* farther than canned food, it’s very gentle on their stomachs & you know what’s in it, since you make it yourself. The fresh chicken may be more enticing to their old noses. This food mix was also recommended by our vet after many food allergy trials.

  • Jade Bacon

    An allergy to a food (from my experience ) has presented with vomiting, diarrhea, excessive scratching & hot ears. I think our dogs are all using furniture as their napkins, the little boogers!

  • Jade Bacon

    I’ve been getting 4health for our beagle since we got him at 6 weeks of age (he’s 4yrs next month. He was the last of his litter at 6 weeks! The breeder was looking for a home for him, brought him in where she & my husband worked. It was love at first snuggle.) I recently switched to the whitefish & potato, due to fish having more beneficial oil than other meats. He doesn’t seem to be scratching as much since the switch.

  • Jade Bacon

    Problems with itchy skin can be food & bathing related. The 4 health brand has omega oils, which can help with skin issues. Regular bathing with an oatmeal shampoo may help.

  • Robin Earnest

    I just checked and a whole can of Garbanzo beans has 9 grams of sugar. Also please advise as to what Colloidal Silver is? I was reading previous threads that stated this was a very good cure for yeast/Candida. I also need to know the best place to buy it ? Thanks so much, I am knew to posting here πŸ™‚

  • Robin Earnest

    I need to change dry dog foods yet again. Currently my two Jack Russell Terriers are on Natures Choice chicken with sweet potato and pumpkin Grain Free. One of them is having a scratching, scratching and licking endless reaction. I think I have narrowed these symptoms down to many carbs turning into sugar which is causing a high level of yeast growth. He is also biting and licking his feet.I am planning to purchase 4-Health grain free with no type of potato in it. I know peas have some carbs but not as much as all 3 starches combined.
    Your thoughts and comments are much welcome re this post.
    Here is what it has in it,it is for small breed adult dogs.
    4health Grain Free Small Breed Formula for Adult Dogs has no grain, no wheat, no corn, and no soy.

    Beef is the #1 ingredient

    A blend of omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids for skin and coat

    Contains DHA

    Natural fiber and probiotics support healthy digestion

    Antioxidant formulation

    Beef, Lamb Meal, Peas, Garbanzo Beans, Lentils, Canola Oil, Egg Product, Tapioca, Tomato Pomace, Natural Flavor, Flaxseed, Ocean Fish Meal, Salmon Oil (Source Of DHA), Salt, Choline Chloride, Dried Chicory Root, L-Carnitine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Bifidobacterium Lactis, Lactobacillus Reuteri, Vitamin E Supplement, Beta Carotene, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin D Supplement, Folic Acid.

  • Sean

    Seems a bit big… do you think it would be okay for a brachycephalic dog like a boston terrier?

  • MissyT

    They rarely get food treats.
    We use praise to reward good behavior.

  • YoMama

    I have my 2 English bulldogs and Boxer on the duck and potato and they do very well on it. English bulldogs will always have an odor no matter what you do, it’s a breed thing.

  • Vasi

    Stomach tacking is a great option if you are worried about bloat. It usually isn’t an extremely expensive venture, and is pretty minimally invasive.

  • MissyT

    I don’t feed store bought treats and I very seldom give (almost never) give them leftover eggs or meat off my plate. Basically, they don’t get food treats.

  • LabsRawesome

    What treats do you give them?

  • MissyT

    5 of my dogs and both if my mom’s dogs were on 4health for about 6 months (about a year ago) they all started peeing in the house and drinking more water than ever before after about a month. These dogs are very potty trained. Has anyone else had these problems?
    I switched to Victor, and loved it at first, but now 2 of my dogs have had liver problems in the last 3 months and I’m wondering if it’s got something to do with the Victor dog food?

  • Dori

    C4D. That’s exactly what they’re doing. Their own personal gigantic napkins. I’ve got one with no allergies, never has and she’s always done it after each and every meal.

  • Dori

    I feed all grain free. One of my girls has always done that since she was a puppy, she’s now 15 + years old and still does it. She’s wiping her mouth on the skirt parts of the couch after each meal. Since they’ve been eating commercial raw I wipe her mouth area after she eats but she still feels she has to use the furniture as a napkin to dry herself off. She does not and has never has had any allergies. Funny thing about her is that she is not a dog that is fastidious about her hygiene. My other two that are never wipe themselves on the furniture. One of those two has a ton of allergies. I think your dog is just cleaning herself on your furniture as if it were her great big napkin after meals. No worries.

  • Jean

    I agree. An allergy to the food I would think they would be scratching the back area with their paws. Mine rub their faces too and roll over on their backs and wiggle, it feels good to them.

  • Jean

    Mine do really good on Duck and Potato Grain Free and they like it best. Also the shape of the food is easier to eat, instead of being a round kibble, it’s flat like a disk and even my 4 lb Chihuahua can eat it well. I wish they had small bites but at least this does work. I had mine on Pedigree about 12 years ago and thankfully I learned about food grades. I have fed 4Health about 3 years now and it’s working well. I have a good friend with your breed and it’s rough with allergies to foods. Good luck, try a small bag, see how it goes.

  • Samantha

    I recently switched from Pedigree to 4health GF beef and potato and my English Bulldog loves it. What I’m wondering is should I switch to turkey since beef is one of the top things dogs can be allergic to? He still does scratch , just not as much as he did on Pedigree.. and he still has an odor that I thought would get better with the food change. Any thoughts?

  • ck

    The beef is around the size of a nickel.

  • Crazy4dogs

    My previous dog was more deep chested than my current labs, they are more the “conformation” or “bench” type rather than the field type. There are also some breeds that are particularly prone to it. I know Great Danes seem to be particularly vulnerable.

    BC is absolutely right. I agree that it can be a combination that causes it.

    I’ve always given my dogs a wet food of some type, whether it’s a kibble/canned/warm water mix or fresh to prevent expansion in the gut. I’ve used slow feeders for my vaccuum cleaner dog to slow her down. I always make sure there has been @ least 45 minutes before or after exercise to feed them.

  • theBCnut

    The current thinking is that raised feeder would increase the chance of bloat because the throat is open more when eating from a raised feeder, so there is more chance of swallowing air. They have done studies on all of the individual things that people say cause bloat and were not able to cause bloat with any of them, not one. Likely, bloat is something that happens when the right combination of things all happen at the same time, rather than any one thing. If you are really worried about bloat, keep some GasX on hand. You can even add one drop to her food to prevent gas buildup.

  • slice

    Yeah the bloat thing is what I was worried about. So it’s basically 50/50 then.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I use raised feeders that are on the low side for my dogs size. I originally bought them when the theory was they help prevent bloat. Some studies are finding it may actually increase the chance of bloat.

  • slice

    What are the thoughts on having a raised food / water bowl? Her shoulders are about 25″. Should I keep the bowls on the floor? Black lab mix, somewhat big chest.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I prefer grain free, but I have a lab who does the same thing but shows no signs of allergies. He does it no matter what I’m feeding, canned/kibble mix, raw or fresh. I’ve tried researching it & the concensus is they’re just wiping their faces. Others on this forum might have a better answer.

  • slice

    My dog is three years old, about 70 lbs (a fit 70). We’ve been feeding her 4health dry food (usually the salmon / chicken / lamb varieties, non-grain-free) and when she’s done eating, she’ll walk around the couch rubbing her face on it or rub it on the floor for a few minutes. She never has any digestive problems however. My first thought was an allergy to something in the food. Should I give the grain-fee a try?

  • Melanie Clanton

    I switched from Science Diet small breed, to 4health Small bites and BOTH my pups have thrived immensely!. There coats and skin are soft and shiny, they no longer itch and no more constant paw licking!. they absolutely love 4health, and occasionally Ill switch to the 4health Beef and Potato Grain Free and they love it also.. I recommend 4health to all my family and friends! you cant go wrong with a plant based food.. (flaxseed) so good for them..

  • Susan C. in VA

    Dana Lynn, there is so much being said about the Tractor Supply Brand 4health dry dog foods. Some of the 4health dry foods are made by Diamond, but a few are still being produced by Ainsworth. The “4health Grain Free Duck and Potato” is still made by Ainsworth and has fabulous ingredients. My 3 dogs are doing great on it!! They love it and their stools look perfect.

  • Susan C. in VA

    Hi Jane, there is so much being said about the Tractor Supply Brand 4health dry dog foods. The thing is, some of the 4health are made by Diamond, but a few are still being produced by Ainsworth. The “4health Grain Free Duck and Potato” is still made by Ainsworth. My 3 dogs are doing great on it!! They love it and their Stools look perfect.

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Diane:
    I have read the complaints posted here on 4Health kibbles. I have never had any issues with any of the recipes (wet or dry) I have fed. I stopped feeding the kibble because one of the GF recipes that Ainsworth manufactured went to Diamond. I don’t feed Diamond manufactured products at this time due to their repeated history of recalls. I was afraid the remaining GF recipes that Ainsworth manufactures (turkey and beef) would go to Diamond without me realizing it. I do use some 4Health canned recipes in my rotation.

    Sign up for re-call alerts here:

    Here is the dog food recall list:

    I understand about being hesitant to rotate foods with a senior pet. A feeding plan does have to be tailored to the individual pet. I rotate foods and believe it is a healthier way to feed. The added bonuses are I can feed my dog and most of my cats any food without a transition and take advantage of sales. For my dog I feed low fat/senior kibbles that are rated between 2.5 – 5 stars. However, I do have two senior kitties (16+ years old) that do not do well with rotational feeding. They eat a few foods that I am not thrilled with, but they are eating consistently and doing well.

    If you do change to a different kibble I suggest finding one that matches or has similar percentages of protein, fat, and fiber. Sometimes when feeding a new food that has a difference in any of those percentages it can contribute to digestive upset.

    I am not sure what brands Harris Teeter carries. Print out the lists of DFA 3 – 5 star rated foods and take them with you when you do your shopping. Then narrow down your choices by researching the foods they carry.

    You have allot of choices at Pet Smart. They have their house brands Authority and Simply Nourish that are fairly budget friendly. I feed Simply Nourish to my cats, they like it and do well on it; they are very finicky. Take a look at the brands they carry by visiting their website to narrow down your choices.

    Here is a thread on the forum side listing foods rated well on DFA that are available at Wal-Mart:
    Good luck with your pups and your budget!

  • Susan C. in VA

    When I was checking out Diamond I wanted to know which independent sites could also confirm their improvements that have been made to Diamond Pet foods processing procedures since 2012. Well, here are two:
    http://www.petmanianc.com/diam… and
    Also, Diamond themselves have quite an impressive video on their site where you can see what they have done to greatly improve their standards. Probably better than a lot human food processing places now!! Apparently some decision makers from Pet Mania Stores saw this first hand on a tour they went on and thought the changes warranted it good enough to bring Diamond foods back into their stores in NC. (their customers were requesting it, apparently)
    Again, I have NO allegiance to any company, just trying to find a very good dry dog food at a reasonable price. Since the two 4health dry foods I am referring to are relatively new, I just hope that they will get the thorough review by DFA that I believe they deserve. Again, they are:
    1. 4health dry Grain Free Chicken and Vegs, and
    2. 4health dry Grain Free Duck and Potato
    Anyone else have any thoughts about this?
    A caring mom of 3 dogs,
    Susan C. in VA

  • Diane Zimerle

    I shop at Walmart, Petsmart, Harris Teeter. Just seems there are so few foods that have not had problems lately I worry if I buy the cheaper ones I will wind up with dead dogs. I even heard there was problems with the 4health?

  • Bobby dog

    If you post what stores you shop at, I may be able to suggest some foods they carry. I am a budget shopper myself!

    To help with my budget I sign up for e-mails from local & national chain pet stores and join any pet club programs they offer. Most times they have extra deals for pet club members. Ask stores if they have frequent buyer programs and ask pet food companies if they offer frequent buyer programs. Allot of pet food companies will mail coupons if you ask for them. Sign up for e-mails from on-line merchants they often offer free shipping when they have sales or free shipping with a minimum purchase. I buy from Petco.com, Petsmart.com, Chewy.com, and Petflow.com on a regular basis along with shopping at brick and mortar shops for the best prices. About once a month Petco offers free shipping with no minimum.

    Here is a coupon thread on the forum side that regulars post any sales or specials they come across. You can subscribe (upper right hand corner) to the thread to get e-mails when someone posts a new reply:
    page one:
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  • Diane Zimerle


  • Bobby dog

    Hi Diane:
    Okay, the canned foods that Crazy4Cats suggested below are probably the most budget friendly and well rated foods. They are all 4 or 5 star rated and about $1/can. If you have a Costco membership the Nature’s Domain is the most affordable about 80 cents/can. You have to buy a case, but well worth it!

    As far as Tractor Supply 4Health grain free and Wal-Mart’s Pure Balance 95% canned foods goes I do not recommend them. They are too high in fat most likely due to using cheap cuts of fatty meats.

    If you are interested in adding fresh budget friendly foods to kibble here is a download I use. I add fresh foods as toppers for several meals rather than making a meal out of them:

  • Diane Zimerle

    Right now I am taking a large can of food, spilt 4 ways, then each dog gets 2 TBS of dry mixed in. they get that morning and evening. So the dry lasts awhile, It is the canned that is killing me in prices and finding something they will actually eat. They won’t eat Pedigree anymore, no Kibbles & Bits(can), no Caesars

  • Diane Zimerle

    Mostly in stores, but I am not against changing to online if need be. I add kibble with a can of food (split 4 ways) so my kibble budget can be a little higher. It is the canned food that is killing me

  • Diane Zimerle

    i have 4, they are dachuas (doxie & chi mix). 2 have very sensitive stomachs so changing food often wouldn’t sit well.

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Diane:
    Where do you shop, on-line, in stores? What is your budget for kibble?

  • Crazy4cats

    My favorite kibble for our dogs is grain free Victor. I rotate between Pure Balance (Walmart), 4Health (Tractor Supply or Del’s), and Nature’s Domain (Costco) canned foods as toppers. The above are all considered budget friendly 4 and 5 star foods. I also use eggs and sardines as mixers a few times a week in their evening kibble. How many dogs do you have?

  • Diane Zimerle

    Hi folks, a little help needed. My dogs are all senior (3 are over 12), they are loosing their sense of smell and taste therefore nothing is good to them. I am looking for something safe, canned and dry food they might like… any suggestions? They got very sick on Beneful, Kibbles and Bits, I can’t afford the $2.00 a can foods as I am using 2 per day.. any help/suggestions?

  • Kameron Perrone

    My dog has been sick the last 2 days vomiting and yellowish diarrhea. We have been feeding g her 4 health grain free whitefish for over 6 months. I am going to be switching dog food immediately… and no more diamond products

  • Deborah Smith


  • Bobby dog

    Hi Deborah:
    They are the same size.

  • Deborah Smith

    Could anyone tell me what size the kibble is in the beef and potato grain free? I want to use either the turkey or beef because it is made by Ainsworth but the turkey seams a little big for some of my chi’s. Tia

  • Paulett Casper

    I have been feeding my dogs 4health for about 3-4 years now. I love it and so do they. They had some loose stools when we first switched to 4 health and never had a problem since. Last year I found out that 1 of my dogs has allergies to the grain. I now feed them either beef or duck and potato grain free.

  • Deborah Smith

    I do rotate some now they are eating the grain free turkey and potato they do good Eddie has stinky poops but that’s all. I do wish this was a smaller kibble for my chi’s that are older.

  • Deborah Smith

    Also the turkey and potato is made by Ainsworth that is what tractor supply told me when I sent them an email. It also gets 4 stars.

  • Julie Stevens

    I feed mine the 4health mature dog that has lamb or the adult dog with chicken when the mature is sold out. They love both. Coats and skin are nice and they maintain a healthy weight even in the winter when they have less exercise. For years I fed pedigree, then they changed the formula to have nuclear colored kibble. Then I fed Diamond and they did great on that, but the recalls scared me off. An employee at TS suggested trying the 4health and they guarantee it with a full refund if the dogs don’t like it. I’ve had up to 7 dogs at a time, they have all done well on this product.

  • Katray447

    I fed my labs this product for about a solid year – they seemed to thrive on it. Nobody had any digestive problems with it, coats looked good, energy to burn. About 8 months in, I noticed that none of the girls were coming into regular heat cycles. They’d have split cycles, abbreviated cycles. During the entire year, out of 7 females, only one had a successful litter of only 4 puppies. I switched off 4 Health in late October (I just didn’t connect it with the dog food) – within a month, all but one were cycling perfectly normally. Talking with a bunch of others, many were having the same problem – switched and the problem was fixed. No idea what the ingredient is that’s causing the problem. One vet said he thought it was the flax seed, which is being used a LOT in the ‘grain-free’ dog foods. He also said it affects the reproductive abilites of the males, as well. Purely anecdotal, but it was pretty powerfully conclusive for me.

  • Mark Lozano

    The whitefish gives my dog untolerable gas, and he pukes everytime he eats the pork but loves every other flavor.

  • Cheryl Wilson

    Hi Haley, it was several posts in the beginning of this. Also, the manager at our Tractor Supply said the lamb and rice for the puppy he has experienced diarrhea when first being fed that brand. We stopped it feeding after 2 – 3 days when the diarrhea was not getting better, only worse. I went back to Taste of the Wild and within 2 days the dogs were back to normal. You’ll just have to look through the posts from the beginning.

  • Haley

    Hi Cheryl-
    I was wondering where you read that at? I switched my dog over to 4health on Saturday. He started having very loose stools and bad gas. I also got the same symptoms above on Sunday until Tuesday. On Wednesday, my dog had awful diarrhea. He even had an accident in the middle of the night two hours after I took him out. He wouldn’t touch his food. So, I stopped feeding him it. I was just curious if other people had this happen? I didn’t initially think I got sick from the dog food, but now I am wondering..

  • Jane

    I feed my two adopted Springer Spaniels duck and potato GF. When I got them,..They had poor coats, itchy skin and yucky ears. After 3 weeks on 4Health, I am so happy to say that their coats are lustrous, no itching, skin sores healed, and clean ears! I’m sticking with this food. Their previous owners gave them Purina Pro Plan.

  • shortcake

    My pup would scarcely eat the whitefish, but she -loves- the beef. We’ll be sticking with that. Even one of our cats sneaks into the dog food, though we also feed them 4health.

  • Kayla Maria Lewis

    Grain free beef and potato is made by Ainsworth , different contractor. And if you read above the beef and potato is 4 stars

  • Tawny Daniels

    My digs personally love this I have a full breed doberman pincher and a loss apslo (not sure if that’s the name he’s a rescuse) and it keeps them both in great heath and healthy weight.

  • Ed

    lost adog due to a diamond recall.I willnever feed any product made by diamond.

  • Melissaandcrew

    Yup! I am constantly looking at new foods to try. You may be able to get kennel/rescue/breeder programs from various foods. Each company calls it something different. As well if you call the companies many offer bulk pricing breaks.

  • You should find out if there is a Rescue Pet Adoption League (RPAL) in your area. They have discounts for rescues.

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Deborah:
    Do you feed any other kibbles? I feed a rotational diet. I believe the variety is healthy for my dog, but selfishly it also allows me to take advantage of sales when they pop up. You’re right, you can get caught up in finding affordable pet food! πŸ˜‰

  • Deborah Smith

    Thank you so much I kind of was figuring that but wanted to make sure. Does anyone else feel like trying to figure a good food that you can afford is becoming an obsessive. I have so many rescues. My money is limited.

  • Deborah Smith

    I just found out that Ainsworth was making the Whitefish and Potato but in 2014 they stopped making it now Diamond makes it . I ask them what kind of fish is in the fish meal they said it is Menhaden fish.

  • theBCnut

    For yourself, in the future, always treat all dog food like it might be contaminated. Wash thoroughly after handling it. For now, take yourself to the doctor and let them know you have diarrhea and all your dogs do too and you think their food is contaminated. If it’s e coli or any of the other bacterias commonly found in kibble, it can get serious very quickly.

  • Cheryl Wilson

    I have read many many reviews tonight about 4-Health in the last month or more – people have been having diarrhea profusely, vomiting. So have I in the last 3 days I have been to the vet with every dog I own. We reduced this down to the food. The last bag I bought was about 4 days ago and dogs got sick within 2 days of eating. I have reported this to Tractor Supply as well as Diamond. If you have recently bought 4-Health dog food – do not feed any more. Something is fishy with this food.

  • Cheryl Wilson

    I recently ran by Tractor Supply to buy a bag of 4-Health Lamb and Rice because they were out of Hunden-Flocken made by solid gold. Within one day all 4 dogs had diarrea and my dogs have a cast iron stomach. I don’t trust dry dog food anyway, but I do mix a little kibble with millet, eggs and raw meat, either chicken or USDA grade A meat. I bought a 35 lb bag, they have eaten this on many occasions and I usually mix this with a higher end dog food such as SolidGold. I’m keeping this bag in the fridge and am reporting this. My dogs have never gotten sick on anything and became so bad this week I was giving them pedialyte and gator-aid just to make them drink to keep hydrated. The vet and I deduced this to this bag of 4-Health. I am watching for recalls, although like auto dealers there has to be massive complaints…

  • DogFoodie

    The three original grain free varieties are made by Ainsworth, but the duck and pork are made by Diamond; as are all of the grain inclusive formulas.

  • Deb

    Well I switched them and they were better in less than a week. I will NEVER buy 4 health ever again. I looked on down and thank god I did as it looks like people are losing their babies. Diamond,Dads makes no difference they are not good food suppliers and it is getting ridiculous because even Canidae is a Diamond product with a big price tag.

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Deborah:
    All the recipes are rated 3.5 stars unless otherwise noted next to the recipe name.

  • Deborah Smith

    Not all of the grain free is made by diamond some is made by dads

  • Deborah Smith

    I feed mine the duck and potatoe they do absolutely great on it. I was feeding Turkey but the poop stunk so bad i slowly switched. I feed 15 dogs this and everyone is doing great. I see some are rated 4 stars I wish I knew what the duck gets.

  • KL

    Ive been feeding my 2 dogs 4Health and never had any issues until I switched to the Beef & Potatoe Grain Free and now 1 of my dogs has the urge to poop 3 times each time I take them out and they never did this b4. The pop is also runny and not firm and my one dog even had a poop accident which they never do. Is it just the grain free or all 4health food causing issues? What do I need to do, I don’t want to kill my dogs feeding them this stuff. This food was highjly recommended.

  • Dana Lynn Sharpton

    Just great. However, Diamond hasnt had a recall since 2012 I believe. My baby wipes had a recall but I still use baby wipes. It happens right? Im just going to buy Earthborn and be done with the guessing.

  • Dana Lynn Sharpton

    I just bought 4Health Grain Free Duck and Potato for my pug with allergies. He has eaten 1 bowl. Some of the reviews have me worried…does anyone else feed Grain Free duck and potato with success?

  • DogFoodie

    Unfortunately, that’s not exactly the case. The three original grain free varieties are made by Ainsworth, but the duck and pork are made by Diamond; as are all of the grain inclusive formulas.

  • Dana Lynn Sharpton

    The Grain Free is manufactured by Ainsworth

  • DogFoodie

    You bet!

    If you have any questions, fire away! Most of us here are a little “obsessed” with feeding our dogs and we’re happy to help.

  • Deb

    Thx for spending so much time helping out …much appreciated

  • DogFoodie

    Ah ha, gotcha. : )

    $100 is a healthy budget. It sounds like you’re trying to get something that they both can eat. Obviously, you have two important considerations, food allergies for your Boxer and possibly fat levels for your Schnauzer.

    If you’re able to buy it locally, Victor is a great food at a very affordable price. Look at the find a dealer tab on their website; here: victordogfood.com. Another budget friendly food that can be challenging to find is Dr. Tim’s. You can find it online at Petflow.com and Chewy.com, if you don’t have it in a local store; here’s their product locator: DrTims.com. Some other brands that are a bit easier to find are Wellness, including Wellness Core, Earthborn, and NutriSource. Some Horizon products would also fall into your price range. Some affordably priced canned foods, should you choose to add a topper, are Pure Balance cans at Wal-Mart and if you’re a member at Costco, Nature’s Domain Turkey & Pea Stew is a great deal at about $19 for a case of 24 cans.

    Ideally, if you could find a few foods that they can both eat, you could rotate foods periodically. When I rotate foods, I choose foods made by different manufacturers that have different proteins and binders. Choosing different manufacturers usually ensures you’re varying ingredients as much as possible. Variety is important for a healthy gut.

  • Deb

    No I have 2 a 14 yr old min schnauzer and a 3 yr old boxer who is the one having trouble with 4 health…lil guy has steel gut but allergies boxer has sensitive gut. He was doing great with this food until this last bag. I buy 60# a month mostly for the boxer lol

  • DogFoodie

    Oops, forgot an important question. It sounds from your first post that you’re feeding one dog and that you were buying “small bites” for that dog. So, I just want to make sure you’re buying food for one small dog, is that right?

  • Deb

    Well I am at about 100 a month and I can go either way have pets art,petco and a few others around me

  • DogFoodie

    Blue Buffalo has had numerous complaints of dogs becoming I’ll while eating their products. It appears they have some serious quality control issues and the company lacks transparency.

    Do you have a budget for dog food and where will you be buying food… brick & mortar, online?

  • Deb

    Really? What are the issues with Blue? Any recommendations for a good food?

  • DogFoodie

    Be prepared for some quality control issues with Blue Buffalo, also.

  • Deb

    Thanks Dori, I will be switching back to Blue never have had any problem with this brand and my animals all lived long, healthy lives. Due to $ and what I had read about 4 Health it seemed to be along the same quality. It was great until last month. They have done something to it. Just want others to be aware…sometimes a few bucks saved are not worth those we love.

  • Dori

    I would also give some thought to changing where you shop for your dogs food. The manager doesn’t seem to care one way or the other and is not taking your issues seriously which they are. If you don’t have other stores in your area that you can purchase dog food, there are a few well rated on line sites. I know a lot of people on DFA order food from Chew.com, Petfooddirect.com, Wag.com. Probably others also. On the issue of Diamond, I agree with you, as will most of the regular posters on this site, that Diamond is not a food we would feed nor a company that we would support. Too many quality control issues and way too many recalls.

  • Deb

    I just contacted our local Tractor Supply and asked what changes were made to the 4 Health grain free duck formula? I was told nothing has been changed and when I told the manager the size of this bags kibble was small bites which was the first thing we noticed she said well, they don’t see those things! After telling her that it has made our dog sick for past 2 weeks with gas, diarrhea , and him wanting to eat grass she tells me I am the only one that has complained. Not true as I look through reviews! She also confirmed that 4 Health is made by Diamond…so, I will be changing my dogs food ASAP . Diamond is one of the worst dog foods ever. I have always mixed foods when changing and it sometimes takes a few weeks for dogs to completely adjust to the change but, it is not improving. Just FYI .

  • Melanie

    I’m so sorry for your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

  • JeremyScottRenolds

    I am sorry for your loss. I know how devastating it is.

  • Dori

    Oh my gosh Rachel! I’m so very sorry for you and your loved ones. Words cannot really express how saddened we all are when our babies pass and when we hear of another’s loss but please know that you are in our hearts and minds.

  • Dog_Obsessed

    So sorry for your loss. As DogFoodie said, you should report this to the FDA and spread the word.

  • Hater & Molly’s Mom

    Rachel, I’m so very sorry for your loss. My heart goes out to you.

  • DogFoodie

    I’m so, so sorry for your loss, Rachel.

    If you suspect the food could be the cause, please contact the FDA and make a report and ask your vet to do the same on your behalf. Do not dispose of the food or the packaging and if you contact the manufacturer who requests you send the food to them, do not send them the bag and reserve some of the contents of the bag for your own use.

  • Rachel Graham

    My baby lost her battle this morning. The antibiotics seemed to be helping but she went downhill very quickly this morning. Please be careful with this food!

  • Jen Jenkins Pennington

    I am glad I Googled this.. Yes I just spent $425 at the emergency vet for one of my sick dogs last night.. About $600 on another a few weeks ago and trimmed dried diarrhea of my 3rd last night as well! All 4 (out of 7) have had stomach issues within the past 3 weeks and it seems to be getting worse as I open a new bag.

    I will be switching foods immediately!

  • Rachel Graham

    Has anyone had an issues with the duck and potato recently? We bought the whitefish and on Sunday hubby came home with the duck. Starting Sunday night/Monday morning my girl started having diarrhea issues. It’s been non stop. She also has the most disgusting farts that I have ever smelled. I’m pretty confident that it’s the food, but I can find nothing of any other issues.

  • Does anybody know the Calcium content of the Beef & Potato formula?

  • Carrie

    Back in the summer, I had fed all my dogs 4health for a couple months. The next bag and last bag I ever bought, made all my dogs sick. It caused them all to throw up and they had terrible diarrhea. I took the food back and would never purchase this brand again, because now I question the quality of this food.

  • theBCnut

    Sorry to hear about your dogs. Are they OK now? When did this happen? BTW, I hate it when store employees do this, 4Health is not and never was the exact same thing as Blue. When people make claims like this DO NOT listen.

  • Crazy4cats

    I’m sure glad they all survived. What are you going to feed now?

  • Joselyn Mercier

    I was talking into buying 4Health by the manager in tractor supply, I was told it was the exact same thing as blue buffalo just cheaper. Took him three months of me coming in to buy blue buffalo to convince me. I switched my dogs to 4health salmon and sweet potato, they were on it for roughly 4-5 months…after i made the switch it was pleased with it, the next bag i noticed all the dogs had really bad gas (there was times I had to leave my own house they stink so bad, and it lingered for hours) my little yorkie was farting like an old man after eating taco bell. (yes THAT loud) next bag i notice My pitbull was going outside every two hours or so and crapping 3-4 times each time he went out! I bought one more bag like a fool and POISONED not only my two dogs, but the dog I was babysitting for! I nearly lost my senior pitbull, my 6 month old yorkie, and the 5 year old yorkie I was taking care of! Salmonella poisoning is what my dogs got because I fed them 4health, they nearly died, they couldn’t walk, they couldn’t pick their heads up, they were pooing on themselves because they couldn’t stand. It cost me a fortune in emergency vet bills. I didn’t know what had caused them to get so sick I thought maybe they had gotten into the trash…. I walked into tractor supply while my dogs (and the one i was watching) were still at the er vet…As i walked past the food isle I noticed the shelves were all stripped bare and they was bright yellow signs were the 4health should have been that said “recall for salmonella!!” … After i told the manager my dogs were at the vet, he said “if you bring the old bag back in i’ll refund the money for a bag of food” ….PLEASE, do not feed this garbage too your dogs. I’m not the only one this has happened too.

  • Jess

    We have been through two 30# bags of the 4 Health Turkey & Potato β€” 1st bag was great, our American Bulldog loved it, his skin cleared up, his poops were dark and firm so his anal gland issues cleared up, his coat was shiny. 2nd bag of the exact same food β€” he doesn’t seem to like it, his skin is bad again, his poops are soft and no longer dark and all anal gland issues have returned. What the heck? Have they changed the formula? Is the Turkey & Potato manufactured by different companies — is Turkey & Potato switching from Dads/Ainsworth to Diamond too? Either they changed the formula, or I bought a mislabeled bag. TSC just referred me to Dads/Ainsworth and so far no response from them. The first bag worked so well, I just don’t know how to make sure I get that same stuff the next time?

  • Diane B

    Thanks for the suggestion. The itching has not stopped and he’s been on 4Health Turkey and Potato now for a month. I’m finishing this bag and trying something else. I’m also considering Wellness Core from the Editor’s Choice options for October.

  • Caitlin Flesher

    Hi Diane, I know your post was from a while ago but if you haven’t found anything yet I have heard the Zignature dog food brands are wonderful for dogs with allergies.

  • 4FootedFoodie

    Hi Sean,

    The manufacturer wouldn’t affect the rating, but ingredients and the guaranteed analysis would.

  • Sean

    Just want to clarify… so the Beef & Potato + Turkey & Potato have a higher rating because it’s manufactured by Ainsworth and not Diamond?

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Linda:
    There’s a thread on the forum side that might be helpful. A poster made a list of low sodium and low fat dog food. I know you are not looking for low fat, but there might be some foods listed that you could research further. I would suggest if you find a food from the list that you still call to verify the sodium content; recipes can change without any warning to customers.


  • Linda Leino-Mahac

    My vet suggested that I feed my little dog a dry food with lower salt. I
    thought that would be an easy task — only to find out salt is not
    listed on dog food labels. You have to call each company. In calling
    around, I found the 4Health that I was feeding (from TSC) was very high
    in salt. I settled on chicken and brown rice from Blue (also sold at

    I wish we could get companies to label their dog (and cat) food honestly in regard to ingredients, salt, sugar, etc.

  • Bobby dog

    The last info I had about 4Health kibbles are Diamond manufactures the GF Pork, Duck, Whitefish and all grain inclusive recipes. Ainsworth manufactures the GF Beef and Turkey recipes.

    Edit: You can also ask Diamond and Ainsworth what they manufacture.

  • Diane Scott Kunkle

    Unfortunately I asked and asked and JUST found out it went to Diamond. Had I know the difference I too would have made the change sooner. thanks so much, I appreciate your information πŸ™‚

  • Diane Scott Kunkle

    Exactly what I have been trying to get as of late. Yesterday I purchased the big bag of Duck GF 4 Health. It was the small disk type kibble. I was advised the seal on the packaging is slightly different on the different manufactures of the food

  • Diane Scott Kunkle

    I will have to look better at the bags. I am not a fan of Diamond, due to the 2007 incident and so many pet deaths. But that is my personal thing. I never used to keep the bag after purchase but we do now. I will write TS again to see where all their foods are made and hope it matches what I am waiting for from the FDA. I really like TS, and hope they don’t let me down

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Diane:
    I used to feed the GF 4Health kibble and when I found out the fish recipe went to Diamond I stopped. I wasn’t sure if the remaining GF recipes were going to Diamond and just don’t want the hassle of keeping up with who manufactures this food.

    FWIW, a while ago an employee of TSC wrote you can tell the difference between the Diamond and Ainsworth manufactured 4Health kibbles by looking at the bag design. Diamond makes the grain inclusive and several of the GF’s, their bag design has a seam going down the middle on the back of the bag and the nutrient analysis is printed differently than the info on the Ainsworth bags. I have noticed the differences when I checked out the bags at my TSC, but you never know if this will always be the case since package designs can change.

  • Diane Scott Kunkle

    Finally, after making a complaint to the FDA I got the answer about Tractor Supply’s White Fish and potatoes grain free. IT is NOW made by Diamond foods (form your own opinion). They “say” the recipe has not changed but as I advised Diamond it does NOT take a scientist to see that it has in fact changed. My dogs were happy healthy and shiny coats eager to eat. Not after the change that took place I found out, in April 2014. We needed food and bought Blue from TS but I should not have to pay $60 for #28 pounds, when we were happy with the 4health GF. Yesterday, I went to TS needing food and felt the bags to see if they were the saucer type disks or the chunks. I bought the duck Gf version. I bet I looked like a nut feeling the bags. But the disks have never been a problem and the extruded chunks have been. Not feeding them something that makes them vomit, and not like. I still have to find out if ALL the flavors are going to change. in the meantime we are happily feeding Duck. BTW I feel stupid that I did not know the FDA was the “dog food police”. I am hoping they can shed light on who is making what. As if we don’t have enough stress over are we feeding healthy, now we have to know who’s cooking it.

  • Katrina Fletcher

    Just wondering if you have had any reply. I am considering switching to this and now based on the reviews am afraid I am making a mistake.

  • Diane B

    Our vet just recommended 4Health Turkey and Potato because our old (14.5 yr.) 55 lb. mixed breed shelter dog has a real itching problem and a ‘hot spot’ that we’ve tried everything marketed, I think, to get it healed. We have been successful by putting a Comfy Cone or a Pro Collar on him, but then when we try to let him be without the cone/collar…he goes right back to the same spot on his hip and opens it up again. Since his last grooming he’s been bothered by excessive itching again. We’ve been feeding him grain-free kibble plus some meat (cooked) + juices mixed with water for the last 4 years – changed from cheap kibble to Innova, then to Taste of the Wild 5* Sierra Mt. formula because of review found here. Now, I’m in the process of changing slowly over to this 4Health variety. What are your thoughts on this for an itching cure?

  • Carol Martin

    I feed my dog 4health lamb and rice. Does anyone know if this has changed? He has not been eating as well and as been shedding a lot more than usual. I thought was just the hot summer but after reading this, I’m not so sure.

  • Sherry Noss

    I feed the 4Health Beef and Potato GF to one of my dogs that is allergic to chicken and poultry and grains … I wish I could find another food to rotate that is in the price range or cheaper that doesn’t contain poultry….. it is hard as most do in one form or another….

  • Emma

    Just bought a fresh bag of lamb and rice for my boxer. He has had 3 servings and puked after each meal. We noticed the color and shape of the pieces has changed. Will be calling TSC and the vet in the morning.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Have you calculated the price difference on a price/feeding basis? If you’re feeding less, the bag will last longer, so you’ll be buying fewer of the more expensive bags over the long term. For example, if one bag of food costs $50 and you’re told to feed 2 cups per day, and another costs $100 and you’re told to feed 1 cup per day… it’s costing you exactly the same to feed your dog! (because you’ll go through that $50 bag of food twice as fast, which means you’re buying two $50 bags of food for every one $100 bag of food)

  • LadyCubsFan

    Since the change in the 4Health Grain Free White Fish we switched to Earthborn Holistic Grain Free the fish kind, stools look good, dogs are eating it up, recommended amount less than 4Health but the cost is a bit crazy. Wish I could find something else Grain Free, no chicken with the price tag of 4Health.