Purina Beneful and Pro Plan Dog Food Recall

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March 10, 2016 — Nestle Purina has announced it is voluntarily recalling select lots of its Beneful and Purina Pro Plan wet dog foods because they may not contain the recommended level of vitamins and minerals.

Purina discovered through its own testing that the affected dog foods did not contain the recommended level of vitamins and minerals and voluntarily recalled the product.

What’s Being Recalled?

The recall includes select lots of wet dog food 10-oz. tubs under the Beneful Prepared Meals, Beneful Chopped Blends and Pro Plan Savory Meals brands.

No other Purina products or sizes are affected.

Purina Beneful and Pro Plan Dog Food Recall

Lot Information

A complete list of included products by “Best Before” date and production code ranges are listed below:

Purina Beneful and Pro Plan Dog Food Recall Lot Info

What to Do?

Purina is conducting this voluntary recall as a precaution for those dogs who may have eaten the affected product as their only meal for more than several weeks.

If you have questions about your pet’s health, the company suggests that you contact your veterinarian.

Although most of the recalled product contains all of the vitamins and minerals your dog needs, Purina recommends that you discard any of the affected product you may have.

For more information or to request a refund, please call the company at 800-877-7919.

U.S. citizens can report complaints about FDA-regulated pet food products by calling the consumer complaint coordinator in your area.

Or go to http://www.fda.gov/petfoodcomplaints.

Canadians can report any health or safety incidents related to the use of this product by filling out the Consumer Product Incident Report Form.

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  • theBCnut

    Good point!

  • theBCnut

    I know many, many people who compete and none of them compete in “preformance.” Agility, yes. Flyball, yes. Even tracking, scentwork, Schutzhund, stockwork, etc., but not “preformance.” LOL!! I’m having the hardest time with this post. Autocorrect DOES NOT like me writing preformance.

  • LabsRawesome

    I’m pretty sure they all come preformed.
    Has anyone here ever had to form a dog?

  • Crazy4dogs

    😉

  • sharron

    remember, don’t question her, she’s intelligent

  • Crazy4dogs

    LOL! I wasn’t going to comment, but shouldn’t you be able to correctly spell the type of event you compete in? 😉

  • sharron

    i have one!!! – found her right beside the preformed hamburger patties hahaha

  • theBCnut

    I noticed that both have a habit of misspelling several words in each post. How many of you have dogs that are preformed?

  • Crazy4dogs

    Yeah, I thought the names were too similar and appeared to be the same person.

  • sharron

    good eye – didn’t notice that – i was too caught up with her telling me i shouldn’t have a dog

  • LabsRawesome

    LMAO. 🙂

  • theBCnut

    I think you’re right.

  • Pitlove

    It isn’t really an unfair statement and I wouldn’t compare it to the OP’s comment. Mine is based on my experience at work interacting with our Orijen customers. One was so arrogant about feeding Orijen that she refused to switch foods dispite her dog doing poorly on it.

  • sharron

    i had trouble figuring out that one too
    i don’t think she knows what she is talking about – she rolls from one opinion to another and they don’t make any sense – according to her, anyone that feeds can food shouldn’t have a dog – guess i’m going to hell cause i will always have a dog – for someone who claims to be intelligent, she can’t spell worth a damn – maybe too much ho ho from a bottle?

  • theBCnut

    “Butt in” all you like! She did. I guess I was wondering more about her “posening” comment. Does she mean that feeding Beneful is “posening” our dogs, because I might agree with that, or does she mean that feeding canned food is “posening” our dogs, because that is clearly ludicrous.

  • sharron

    hi – i think she means can in general – she said that “a dog does NOT need can food” sorry, didn’t mean to butt in

  • theBCnut

    I was wondering if she meant Beneful specifically or canned in general. I couldn’t tell from her rants.

  • LabsRawesome

    You’re welcome! 🙂

  • sharron

    thanks a bunch!!! for the support

  • LabsRawesome

    I have 3 dogs. I go through 2 cans, 5cups of kibble, and various chunks of meat, beef, chicken, sardines, on a daily basis. I don’t know where Lisa came up with the idea that
    canned food is bad. I haven’t heard anything that crazy in awhile. It should be obvious that food closer to it’s original
    state like raw, fresh, or canned is better for a dog than kibble. I would feed my dogs canned and fresh foods
    exclusively if I could, but it’s not within my budget to do so.
    Don’t let a random post from someone that is incorrect
    rattle you. You know that canned is more species appropriate for your dog than kibble.

  • sharron

    To Lisa L. Gove

    let’s see if i have this right, you are judging my intelligence because i feed my dog can food, you say can food is poisonous (do you see how it is spelled), then you tell me that i shouldn’t treat my dog like a human, (which i’m not) then you tell me that in the future i shouldn’t have any more dogs. First of all prove to me that can dog food is bad, researching dog food everyday doesn’t qualify, i want concrete evidence, not some wild ideas that you dreamt up and don’t direct me to some article to read written by somebody i have never heard of – imo just because you breed dogs and train dogs doesn’t really qualify you to be judging me and my intelligence – i find you to be a rather rude person, even though i don’t know you. your comments about me don’t bother me at all, and i feed my dog Royal Canin wet food, so if you don’t like that either.. Suck it Up Princess

  • Ronnie Nelson

    No, I still stand by it. I’d hate to see how you treat the dogs based on your interaction with people on here. Get a life and stop trolling for attention.

  • Cannoli

    i see this a reflection of myself. I feed him meats base on what I eat. After all if one of my hobbies is being a health nut you can see that this will transfer to my pet. i have been blessed with having disposal income to fullfil my healthy eating along with my dog.

    It’s just not me. Where i live people are obsessed with organic, grain-fed, gluten free, no MSG, no hormones, no antibiotics blah blah food

    just this minute as i write this post my coworkers and i are discussing whether we should order the all natural grass fed no antibiotics chicken burger vs the kobe cow massage beef burger. ha.

    Does my dog care whether his meat got daily massages by Japanese men. Of course not but I feel guilty when i am wolfing down kobe steak and he is left to eat meat flavored dry cereal.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Pitlove,

    There will always be people that will swing to extremes and people that will try to be trendy, just look at the current political races. 😉

    Sorry to say this, but the Orijen comment seems as unfair as the OP’s comments. There are many people that feed really good foods that don’t have attitudes.

  • sharron

    Hi – Lisa Gove commented on my comment to her, i don’t see it posted here, but i got it by email – anyways, she says that i shouldn’t own any more dogs in the future and i shouldn’t be treating Lexee like she is a child and i am the boss and blah, blan, blah – and i am a bad human, and she’s intelligent and i’m not,blah, blan, blah – really? – i think some people take this topic of dog food way too far – i just shake my head, it’s so ridiculous

  • Pitlove

    Hi sharron-

    Things have changed a lot over the years. I think pet parents were hit really hard with the melamine recall in 2007 and it prompted them to become “more enlightened” about their choices for their pets. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but now we have fanatics that either swing one way or another. I’ve noticed that some people look at what they feed their pet as a status symbol and will only feed the newest most trendy pet food without questioning “what does my dog need… what is HE telling me about his food”. I get a lot of customers at work like this. No offense to the Orijen customers but those are the worst offenders. Orijen is the Prada of dog food and they wear it proudly and loudly.

    I think the best thing to do with comments like those you’ve heard from the pet store workers is to laugh it off. You, your dog and your vet know what’s best for her.

  • Lisa L. Dean

    The dogs seem to like it because they have to eat alot to get any benifits from it.. If i have to feed crappy food my dogs look at it and walk away. Mine get the best i can afford!!! Period. And they really DO live healthy lives. With NO vet trips except for their yearly vet visit. No health issues at all. And beutiful teeth! A 40 lb bag of dog food in the brand i use lasts 4 dogs a month… Which consists of 3 whippets and a mutt.

  • Lisa L. Dean

    Lmao! Wow.. I am a DOG TRAINER! I train pets and service dogs for FREE for people who need help! I RESEARCH foods everyday! WNt to change your ignorant comment??

    I am also a BREEDER, and i SHOW DOGS in PREFORMANCE and CONFORMATION, i BREED for ASSISTANCE and PREFORMANCE.. So to call me a bad person cause you didnt like my comment is rediculous!

    Dont get a dog again.. They will thank you!

  • Lisa L. Dean

    Dont get anymore dogs.. Please..

    And no dogs do NOT need canned food at all.
    Thank god i am intelligent

    Also you are NOT your dogs parent.. They are NOT kids, they are canine… That is half your issues.. Humanizing the dog and thinking they need the same nutrition as us.. Bad human! You are their OWNER!!

  • sharron

    Hi Pitlove – i don’t have issues any more in getting Lexee to eat – everything is fine – vet says her teeth are in great shape considering her age, 7, and she’s a toy breed – i just don’t understand where some people get their info from e.g.: can food is dangerous, and the owner of the pet store telling me that Lexee has a behavioural problem because she wants wet food, that one just blows me away – when did all this start – i don’t remember any body commenting on the food i was feeding the dogs i have had over the years
    and the cats too

  • Pitlove

    Hi sharron-

    Don’t forget how important it is to take things said over the internet with a grain of salt. Sites like this have become a platform for pet parents to parrot things they’ve heard in passing that don’t necessarily reflect the truth, current research, or the advice of a veterinarian or veterinary nutritionist.

    If your vet is comfortable with your food choice, your dog is healthy and enjoys eating you do not need to be discouraged by random posts on this website making nonsensical claims.

  • sharron

    i agree, there is nothing wrong with feeding can food – no, i do not feed beneful – i don’t know where Lisa L. Grove got her info from and i have no plans of changing my dog’s diet

  • Amateria

    In all the years of research I did I’ve never read wet food to be dangerous in any way and anyone who did say it was told by other people to stop spreading lies.

    I personally don’t see why it would be bad, isn’t extra moisture in food good for all of us not just dogs?
    If your dog is doing well on it by all means keep her on it, I would never change a food my dog was doing well on just because someone who I’ve never met told me to.

  • sharron

    my dog doesn’t have all her teeth – i feed her can food all the time – she has difficulty eating dry, doesn’t like raw – what do you suggest she eats instead of can, if you say dogs do NOT need wet food plus she is doing very well on a wet food diet

  • Ronnie Nelson

    If you were a veterinarian I would consider your opinion of value, but since you just like trolling and posting negative stuff on everyone’s post, I’m guessing you are neither a veterinarian nor a nice person.

  • Lisa L. Gove

    You are slowly killing your dogs by feeding this crap.

  • Lisa L. Gove

    Its super bad for your dog and dogs no NOT need wet food like cats do.. You are posening your dog.

  • Ronnie Nelson

    We have been feeding our two dogs the wet beneful their whole life. 14+ now and they love it. No illness or symptoms have ever happened associated with this dog food. This is their regular diet once per day plus dry beneful available all day.

  • theBCnut

    You have those backward. Read some more.

  • theBCnut

    Yes, reading comprehension. You have those backward.

  • theBCnut

    By feeding a dog the same thing day in and day out, we condition our dogs to get stomach issues from changes in food. If you change foods regularly, your dog will no longer get upset stomach from food changes. This is called diet rotation and you can do a search for it on this site to learn more. Most of the regulars on this site practice diet rotation.

  • Pitlove

    Taken from the Beneful website. Their list of ingredients:

    Ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols, rice flour, beef, soy flour, meat and bone meal, propylene glycol, sugar, tricalcium phosphate, salt, phosphoric acid, potassium chloride, animal digest, sorbic acid (a preservative), mono and dicalcium phosphate, dried spinach, dried peas, dried carrots, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, calcium propionate (a preservative), choline chloride, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, Red 40, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, Yellow 6, Yellow 5, copper sulfate, Vitamin B-12 supplement, calcium pantothenate, Blue 2, thiamine mononitrate, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite.

    So yes it is in fact propylene glycol in the food.

  • Johanna

    It’s not supposed to be a good idea to give your dog different food all the time as its bad on their tummies and digestion. If you change their food at all, you’re supposed to mix a little of their old food in with the new for a couple days until they’re used to it. They don’t digest food the same way we do. It’s what my vet told me!

  • Bob Peirce

    it looks like you have done some digging but you stopped short of the facts, you should have kept digging because both are found in antifreeze. Look up the ingredients of antifreeze then do a second search asking if polyethylene glycol is in antifreeze if you want facts.

    The Final Word on Propylene Glycol vs. Polyethylene Glycol by ojopwned

    I keep reading warnings, many by the uneducated masses of parrots populating the green face of the Earth and some by the supposedly educated, medical professionals of the world, which impress upon those being warned that the liquid used in E-cigarettes is also used in antifreeze, making it extremely toxic to human beings… and animals, too, allegedly. The truth, of course, is both more complicated and simpler than the lies and misconceptions surrounding this volatile, semi-political topic based on the rising popularity of electronic cigarettes, purported to be a healthy alternative to “real” (analog) tobacco products. This antifreeze scare is nothing new. The most vehement of the anti-smoking gang (the ones who think anything cylindrical, brought to the mouth on a regular basis is a gateway drug to Marlboro Reds) immediately leapt upon the jugular of the first E-cigarettes to hit the First World and disected their ingredients until they found something, anything, that could be used to demonize them to the public who, ironically, were looking for a different way to quit smoking. They found that one of the main ingredients in E-liquid was polyethylene glycol, which is used in antifreeze and is fairly toxic to humans in large quantities. The E-cigarette industry answered by changing that ingredient to propylene glycol, a much safer alternative. In fact, although propylene glycol (or PG) is used in antifreeze as well, it’s only used in RV and Marine antifreeze, colored pink to designate it’s non-toxic qualities. Hence the picture above.

    Here are a few facts about polyethylene glycol (the somewhat dangerous one):

    Polyethylene glycol is, in fact, used in antifreeze because it lowers the freezing temperature of water. It produces ethylene glycol when processed.

    Ethylene Glycol has been known to be lethal in doses as low as 786 mg/kg. Even the electronic cigarettes that DO utilize polyethylene glycol (PEG) come nowhere near this mark.

    Laboratory studies on the inhalation of vaporized/aerosolized PEG all showed that inahlation did not, in fact, deliver lethal, or even harmful, doses of PEG to laboratory animals.

    Antifreeze which uses PEG to lower the freezing point of water is generally dyed a blue/green color (we’ve all seen it on our driveway at one point or another) to indicate toxicity and danger.

    When ingested (swallowed, not inhaled) PEG is metabolised first into glycolic acid, then into oxalic acid… which is dangerous. This danger is present in PEG, but as stated above, not enough to cause harm when vaporized.

    In contrast, here are some interesting points concerning propylene glycol (the harmless one):

    PG is metabolised by the human body into chemicals that are naturally occurring in normal, human metabolic functions. The resulting chemicals are pyruvic and lactic acids, both of which are quite normal in our bodies.

    PG is listed by the Food and Drug Administration (Yeah, that’s right. The FDA, otherwise known as the opponents to the E-cigarette industry) as GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe).

    PG is present in some antifreeze products, but is colored pink to make it readily recognizable as non-toxic. This type of antifreeze is often found in boats and RVs.

    In addition to being approved for human consumption by the FDA, PG is also approved for human inhalation by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

    Last but not least in the slightest, PG’s germicidal properties has been found to promote healthier human lung function by killing many of the germs and bacteria which take root in the lungs and make us sick with respiratory illnesses. So, in short, PG is not only harmless, it also induces a state of increased healthiness.

    PG is now used by the vast majority of E-juice manufacturers. PEG was all-but-abandoned when all of this hogwash about antifreeze started causing the sheeple to panic, as they are wont to do whenever they read a headline with the form “Is _____ Really Healthy?” As you can see by the above-mentioned evidence and scientific analyses, Neither PEG nor PG are actually unhealthy when inhaled. Of the two, PG is slightly better, which is why most of the E-cigarette industry has switched from PEG to PG. Of course, they also did so in an effort to shut the ANTZ (Anti-Nicotine and Tobacco Zealots) up… a move which ultimately failed because they have abandoned all attention to scientific evidence in exchange for a vendetta against the industry as a whole.

    Please feel free to spread this around to all the skeptics you know. Encourage them to do more research on their own, and at the very least to read through the sources listed below. All I ask is that you give ejuiceconnoisseur.com credit as author. Good luck and VAPE ON!!!!

    Sources:

    -Propylene Glycol- Wikipedia

    -Code of Federal Regulations

    -Product Safety Assessment- Propylene Glycol

    -Ethylene Glycol Toxicity

    -Ethylene Glycol- Wikipedia

    -Are Electronic Cigarettes Safe?

    -A Germ-Killing Vapor

    -Deposition and Fate of Inhaled Ethylene Glycol Vapor and Condensation Aerosol in the Rat

    -Two-week aerosol inhalation study on polyethylene glycol (PEG) 3350 in F-344 rats.

  • Johanna

    Polyethylene glycol or PEG is used in lots of foods and even toothpaste and as a human laxative and is perfectly safe! THATS the ingredient in beneful! So many people get this confused with propylene glycol, the ingredient in antifreeze, and they’ll jump online and rant about antifreeze in dog food! All you have to do is pay attention to what you’re reading. The words look alike but that’s all! The ingredient in antifreeze is not the one that’s in beneful! Reading comprehension, people!

  • Johanna

    Polyethylene glycol is not antifreeze! It’s used in a lot of different things, even as a laxative and it’s not toxic! Propylene glycol is what’s in antifreeze! Ppl see this and totally don’t care that they’re mixing the two up, then end up scaring pet owners to death! Know which one you’re talking about before you say this stuff! Beneful or any other dog food does not contain antifreeze! Learn to read and comprehend!

  • Johanna

    Ethylene glycol is the toxic ingredient in antifreeze! Propylene glycol is non-toxic and is used in all kinds of food and beauty products! Geez people!

  • Jimbobwe

    OMG! Calm down you crazy people, I have a Chihuahua that will be turning 21 in August and he eats a tub of Benefuls wet every day, and has done so for years, so don’t freak out and claim every tub of food is going to kill your precious little doggy cause it isn’t! SMH!!!

  • Jimbobwe

    My Chihuahua is going to be 21 this August and eats a tub of Benefuls wet food daily so don’t think every tub of food is poison, you people are hysterical and out of your minds,

  • Joanne Meyers-Hinz

    I to found that it had been recalled. I am one of the lucky ones all 3 of my toy poodles and Mainecoon cat are fine. I read some of the comments that mention beef. I can only speak for myself but vet that came to our farm to treat our cows also treated my Border Collie. She had been sick and he told me to not feed beef to her. After they have eaten it thru their life span it is a major cause of kidneys shutting down, I stopped feeding her it immediately. She lived until she was 15, along with my Mastiff and Black lab. As I said this is my experience and so far all of my dogs have passed because of old age.

  • Virginia Connor

    Some of the Beneful dog foods contained sorbitol or xylitol-both of which are poisonous to dogs ( even I, my dogs’ human, cannot handle sugar alcohols very well at all. I had pancreatitis from it 3x. I wondered if Kirkland put it in their beef adult dog food since my Little Bo Peep had it too, but Gypsy Rose Lee didn’t.Bo’s fine now and both she and Gypsy will be 12 together soon.). When my former Border Collie, Tess, was pregnant back in ’94, I gave her some dog vitamins the Petsmart vet recommended, the sorbitol gave her diarrhea.I cut it them out, returned them,and found a safer vitamin that didn’t have it. Needless to day, Tess survived and lived to be 16 yrs, 2 months. Her puppies did fine too. I einder if any humans give their dogs Basic 4 cereal-it too has sorbitol. Yes, avoid giving them-or any human-proplene glycol. I’ve seen toothpaste sold in thrift stores (from Red China, no doubt) with that too.

  • Dave Daines

    Read the ingredients!! Beniful contains Propylene Glycol, Anti freeze!!! Toxic to dogs! Class action laws suit has been filed due to the death of 1000s of dogs!!!

  • Angelica Murch

    I recently read an article, which I can no longer find. It stated that the reason the food was being recalled was because they found traces of Salmonella. From what I’ve read, they have had this issue before.

  • Lindy Edwards

    after purchasing my dogs beneful chopped blends on Saturday March 12,
    2016, from Winn Dixie on SR 434 and Rangeline Road in Longwood Florida
    32750. After a day and night of pain and very sick little dog, on the
    next day, Sunday I took him to our veternarian and he had a case of
    pancreaitus. He has never suffered from this condition and said it was
    probably caused by something he ate, after leaving him for 2 days, x
    rays, ultrasounds, IV’s and a deluge of medication, $2000.00 later I
    found out about this recall of specifically the brand he eats. What can I
    do, as I see it they owe me $2000.00 for all the medical costs, not to
    mention the pain my poor baby went through, any suggestions??

  • Terracino Ginny

    omg is there anyone we can trust?

  • Jamie

    I agree that this is more than just a lack of vitamins. The recall, their disclaimers during my call, their attitude and lack of concern or caring during call, my dog vomiting after eating this food, the vomiting stopping when she was no longer eating the food.
    I am now boycotting Purina

  • Jamie

    I am now boycotting Purina

  • Jamie

    Just got off phone with Purina and I gotta say I am disappointed in their lack of customer service. The whole call felt like a disclaimer. I tried to tell her about my dog vomiting and how I was then informed of the recall. Upon checking the dog food tubs I found that all 12 showed the recall dates and codes. I then pulled my receipts and found I had purchased a total of 27 tubs in two different stores a couple weeks apart. So my dog had eaten 15 tubs before I became aware of the recall. I immediately stopped feeding it to her and she hasn’t vomited since.
    During my call to Purina, the rep totally blew off my telling of the vomiting and cited the recall was only because of lack of vitamins and they are just concerned that pets wouldn’t receive complete nutrition and that their food could not have caused my dog to be vomiting. I again told her that the vomiting stopped when she stopped eating the food and her response was only to say glad she was feeling better and what is your info for a refund. Just a disclaimer and an info request.
    So wonder if they are reimbursing just the 12 tubs left or if they will also be reimbursing for the 15 tubs of bad food that was eaten. Don’t know because she didn’t elaborate and only offered to have someone call back to explain why the lack of vitamins and their food was not responsible for the vomiting.
    Totally unconcerned and uncaring.
    I am now going to the store to find a permanent alternate food to feed her
    AS I AM NOW BOYCOTTING PURINA!!!!

  • Carrie Jackson

    My dog ate this as a treat and has also been sick ever since..blood in her stools now..Im scared. Are your dogs ok now?

  • GarySpatzScam .

    Nestle eh? Go figger 😛 Although my dog hasn’t had any issues with this food, been on it for years and is pretty active.

  • ChristinaJoe DeCourcey

    My pit mix got sick and passed away from this food. it was the most saddest thing that has ever happened to me. I will never buy purina for any of my animals again.

  • aimee

    Yes when doing an elimination trial your vet needs to take in account cross reactivity. Elimination trials are very difficult to do correctly and to be “pure” taking into cross reactions becomes important. This is why the recommendation to rotate foods that use multiple sources like Orijen and TOTW are the bane of the dermatologists life!

  • Pitlove

    Very interesting Aimee! This would explain my vets want to have Bentley off red meats since beef was an already known problem

  • aimee

    Are true allergies rare… no I don’t think we can say that . Food allergy is reported as the third most common cause of cutaneous allergy after atopy and flea allergy and about 10% of all allergies.

    You avoid using certain protein and carb sources so that you have something to use if you ever need to to do an elimination trial. Because of the many cross reactivity potentials I’d avoid those sources that are not closely related to other sources commonly found in pet food. For example rabbit, kangaroo, eel tapioca squash….

    Dogs can react on first exposure to a novel food if they have been exposed to and react to a similar food. So for example a dog never exposed to lamb may react to lamb because it shares a similar protein with beef to which it has been exposed.

    Dogs develop reactions to what they are exposed plant based or animal based.. no discrimination. But certain protein may be “more” allergenic: beef wheat dairy??

  • Pitlove

    Hi Evonne-

    Do you always buy Beneful tubs? Or is this not their usual food?

    I would contact Purina with the symptoms just to make them aware.

  • 2378bri james

    years ago, my aunt had a Poodle that had pancreas issues and her Vet told her to cook a pot of Chicken and white rice, and he did quite well on this. You use white rice as the brown rice is hard for them to digest .
    She joked that she bought him cheap Arkansas Chicken, that was cheaper in the store,

  • Babslynne

    Have you given them a probiotic to balance the good bacteria in their gut? You can also give them a tbs of plain canned pumpkin to firm up their stool. I would also recommend a bland diet for a few days with rice and boiled chicken.

  • Evonne

    My 3 dogs have been very sick from eating the Beneful Blends this last week. I buy my dog food every Monday. I bought 6 tubs on March 7th, and all week they started off eating very little of their dinner, then by day 3, none of their dinner. They ended up with diarrhea and vomiting. When I went to the store on March 14th, the food had been pulled. This is not a vitamin and mineral problem, my 3 dogs smelled something wrong with the food, and it was making them sick. I am so glad they stopped eating it or it could have been fatal. I stopped feeding it to them as of March 13th and they still have diarrhea today March 16th.

  • Rachael Terry

    Shipping is usually the issue there. Money is tight. We currently have 3 extra cats in the house that no one wants. That on top of 2 cats and 2 dogs is costly. Plus the strays outside that we can’t watch starve. And with no help from anywhere, it’s very hard.

  • Rachael Terry

    With things coming up, that’s not even an option. Not only does cooking the meat remove most nutrients, but it’s costly to buy the supplements needed for proper balance. Not to mention feeding two dogs that much meat would get expensive.

  • Pitlove

    I really do feel that Dr. Wynn is correct in advising against exposure to exotic proteins. There is a good amount of variety you can provide your dog within the more common proteins that I understand why she feels going the route of exotic meats is not very necessary. Rotating between those proteins still achieves what you are trying to do for your dog without going overboard.

    However, it seems the point is moot now, since your dogs have already been exposed to very exotic meats.

  • theBCnut

    Cleo may not be able to handle any ruminant. In my experience, dogs that can’t handle lamb frequently can’t handle goat.

  • Cannoli

    Thanks Shawna. I love this website. Been coming here for over a year reading up on how to transition my dog to home made and raw diets. This is one of many places with great source of information.

    Thank goodness about the Venison and rabbit. I personally love to eat them myself hence I usually drive a few hours out to Maine to buy the Venison from hunters.

    It makes sense about the starches as I myself have some small allergies to wheat and flour hence I don’t feed these to my pup.

  • Shawna

    “What I am saying is that feeding kibble only to a dog for the rest of their lives creates food allergies. We have created dogs with so many food allergies that it is epidemic.” This statement you made Cannoli is EXACTLY right in my opinion.

    If you spend much time here on Dog Food Advisor you will find that MANY of the regulars have dogs with issues to the proteins in the starches in kibbles (pea, potato, lentils, wheat etc) not to the meat proteins (although those happen too).

    For the record, I don’t think any dog should eat every possible protein source available but I also don’t see a huge issue with feeding venison when it is available and desired. I get free venison from my boss who hunts. A variety of fresh foods is very important but you don’t have to feed every protein under the sun in an attempt to get adequate variety – I definitely agree with that. 🙂

    Edit to include — if we really think about it venison and especially rabbit should be foods that most dogs tolerate well. They’ve had a long genetic history of eating these foods.

  • Shawna

    I do agree that terms can get all muddled up. A sensitivity/intolerance versus an allergy/hypersensitivity.

    Gluten being the easiest one to follow — a sensitivity / intolerance to a protein in the food that causes an allergy like delayed reaction. This type of reaction appears to be quite common and is irrelevant of previous exposure.

    True allergies are rare are we in agreeance of that? If rare to begin with, why would you avoid all exotic proteins in an attempt to avoid something so rare in an otherwise already healthy dog?

    I’ve talked about Cleo here before. I have to avoid all fowl, beef, pork and lamb due to known issues in at least one of my current seven dogs. I was SO excited when my local store started carrying a goat and rabbit product as it opened the door to a few more proteins I could feed all dogs. EXCEPT — Cleo started reacting to goat (a novel protein) within days of starting it. Not the first time I’ve mentioned this here on DFA.

    I also find it incredibly ironic that SOOOO much is discussed about novel “proteins” when we absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt know that wheat, barley, corn, potato, pea and MANY other vegetable based proteins are more likely to be the culprit in a reaction than beef or lamb. Not only can these (at least some) foods cause illness themselves but they can also be a cause of immune mediated allergies as well as autoimmune disease and other illnesses (like Epileptoid Cramping Syndrome in Border Terriers) in genetically susceptible individuals.?? http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jvim.13643/full

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Cannoli,

    I do have a couple of dogs here that are reactive to a couple of different protein sources. While I do rotate my dogs between a variety of protein sources, I’ve stayed with the traditional, commonly used proteins. I was able to figure it out because I tend to feed one type of protein at a time. That way, if I see a reaction, I often have a good idea of what the problem might be.

    My vet also advised that if you use novel proteins, you can potentially leave yourself with no options if allergies/reactions develop. Since you’ve already used venison, that would no longer be considered a novel protein to the dogs that have been eating it. But, IMO, staying within the traditional proteins from now on is a good decision. 🙂

  • aimee

    The genetic component isn’t that you inherit a hypersensitivity to a specific protein… you inherent an immune system at risk to developing hypersensitivities/allergies.

  • aimee

    I think part of the problem is the terminology being used. This is how I understand it. In people food allergy is equivalent to saying IgE mediated reaction. However in dogs the mechanism for food allergy is unknown so the term food allergy encompasses possible IgE reactions which are thought to be rare in the dog and also any reaction mediated by other pathways involving the immune system; other immunoglobulins or via cell mediated pathways. All and any immune reaction are termed hypersensitivity or food allergy the terms are interchangeable.

    Food allergy/hypersensitivity, the terms are equivalent, may have a genetic basis, risk factors are inherited.

    The reaction itself though develops which is why the proteins you expose the dog to is very relevant.

  • Cannoli

    Thanks all for this lovely discussion. It appears that I may need to change my stance on exotic proteins.

    I am not at all well versed in food allergies in dogs.

    Even upon re-reading dogaware, one of my favorite guides that I use, it also advises against exotic proteins. http://www.dogaware.com/diet/commercial.html.

    I always thought I was doing good to my dog by feeding him a variety but did not realize that maybe I was going a bit overboard with the variety in exotic proteins. I have 25lbs of venison to finish up for my pup and afterwards I will just stick to beef, pork, fish, chicken, and turky.

  • aimee

    Depends on which species you are talking about. In people IgE is the primary mechanism for food allergy. In dogs it is not so an IgE reaction would be uncommon/rare.

    The mechanism for hypersensitivities ( food allergy) isn’t well known in the dog It may involve other immunoglobulins or cell mediated immunity.

  • aimee

    I agree that you can react to foods you haven’t been ever eaten but not for the reason you are putting forth.

    You do not inherit an allergy/sensitivity to a specific food. You inherit immune system risk factors for developing allergies/sensitivities.

    You can react to foods you haven’t eaten because the protein that causes the reaction may be in different but closely related species. If you eat beef and develop a hypersensitivity to beef you may also react to lamb even though you haven’t eaten it.

    Cutaneous exposure is another route through which reactions are thought to develop.

    If you develop reactions to certain pollens then you may react to certain foods. Another interesting cutaneous route is thought to be through bite of the lone star tick which leads to reactions to beef and lamb meat.

    I agree with Dr Wynn you do not want to expose your dog to “exotic” proteins.

  • Pitlove

    I never said it would. However you are only focusing on the genetic component and leaving out the rest.

    I absolutely still agree with Dr. Wynn on the subject. There is no reason to offer a non allergic dog exotic proteins.

  • 2378bri james

    well sorry that happened to your dog. Have you looked into home made dog food? Lots of recipes out there for it, even some “Crock Pot Dog food” recipes

  • 2378bri james

    my 2 Dachshunds about 2 years ago, ran into a very young skunk in my yard one Sunday at 7:10 AM , the skunk wouldn’t leave, so I called my city Animal control and she came out and got the skunk, and my dogs even though had rabies shots up to date, had to go in a get a rabies booster , I hated to do this, the Vet even questioned it, but she did it, as they were quarantined till their shots were done and the test came back from the skunk. It came back negative so I felt like I wasted about $200. They haven’t had a shot since, and I will never call the Animal control if this happens again. In my years of owning dogs and living in this neighborhood, it was the 1st time it happened

  • 2378bri james

    during the 2007 , bad dog food, I fed both my dog and my Moms with Trader Joes, dog kibble, it passed all the test and my dogs did fine on it, lately been using a brand from Sams that my old Vet recommended

  • Shawna

    Although this isn’t on the same scale of a manufacturer testing foods — I’ve been fostering for about 12 years now and I’ve been raw feeding for about 15 years now. My now five and four year old grand kids help with feeding by picking up the dishes before meals – and have for about four years now (I babysit them after I get off work until mom gets off work).

    In the last 15 years, with close to 40 dogs and two grand kids, I’ve never had one case of salmonella or ecoli poisoning with my raw fed crew (I currently have seven in the house including one foster).

    I’d also like to point out that Dr. Meg Smart (whom states about herself “Variety is the Key (My conclusions after over 30 years of teaching veterinary clinical nutrition)” http://petnutritionbysmart.blogspot.com/2012/07/practical-advise-on-feeding-your-dog.html also recommends a raw (or homemade) diet, but not to all clients. She writes “I see a benefit in feeding whole foods whether cooked or raw.” And “I like to see variety in a dog’s diet as their digestive tract is not designed to be fed the same diet day in and day out. Homemade diets are not for every dog owner. I always ask clients” what do you or did you feed your children” if they reply “Kraft dinners and the likes” I do not advise a homemade diet.” – See more at: http://www.angryvet.com/angryvet-nutrition-interview-drs-joseph-wakshlag-and-meg-smart/#sthash.WwqHjCgn.dpuf

  • Shawna

    That’s not true, you actually CAN react to a food you’ve never been exposed to previously (your symptoms may be overt OR mild at first but the predisposition to the food is there before it ever passed your lips). That’s exactly the point I’m trying to make here. Sensitivities have a genetic factor (and I’ve recently been reading that allergies do too).

    Here’s one example of data suggesting a genetic risk factor involved in allergies (IgE allergies). “Genetics of Food allergy” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892276/

  • Megan

    There is no good blood test so we will probably never know which is which. The thing we do know is that like any allergy…gets worse after repeated exposure….so you can’t be allergic to an allergen/protein that your body has never been exposed to. Which is why we like to leave exotic /novel proteins as a resort to use when we think there is a food allergy.

  • Shawna

    I would agree an elimination diet is the best way to diagnose a food as the cause of symptoms. I’ve done MANY of them. What I’m saying, if IgE food allergies are so rare why avoid certain novel proteins? Another theory revolves around food sensitivities or IgA reactions. Certain foods (proteins) are have a genetic factor and if eaten frequently and in large enough amounts will elicit a reaction. These types of reactions are far more common then true (meaning IgE) food allergies.

    There are also certain foods (wheat has been well studied) that have been scientifically shown to cause gut permeability which in fact can cause IgE food allergies.

    Edited to include —- I like this source best but have many others. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2886850/

  • Megan

    Yes I agree that there has been a fair share of dry dog food recalls due to salmonella. Although the recall is usually done as a prevention more in fear of humans handling the food rather than the dogs eating it…as the salmonella levels are fairly low when tested.

  • Megan

    It is overlydiagnosed..by owners and vets. There is no good diagnostic test for it (blood test etc). The only way to do a true test is to do a home cooked diet of a protein and carbohydrate source that the dog has never been exposed to before. Do this for 8 weeks…nothing past the dogs lips except for this food and water….no treats etc. If doing this gets rid of the dogs symptoms (skin issues, gi issues, etc) then that’s when you know you have a true food allergy. Of course this if just a trial…the dog can’t be on this for life bc it is not nutritionally complete. Also…most dogs will lose a little weight on this 8 week diet trial. So if your dog doesn’t have any to spare then this is not recommended. So for after the diet trial…if you know you have a true food allergy…then you will want to get a veterinary prescription food for the dog to be on for the rest of life since this is more nutritionally balanced. Also…if your dog can’t afford to lose any weight then you will just want to try the veterinary prescription diet as well….the home cooked diet is just a better trial. Veterinary prescription diets come in novel protein sources as well as hydrolyzed protein (pre digested protein) so that the body won’t recognize it as foreign and have an allergic rxn to it (kind of like babies that need special formula for milk allergies). OTC limited ingredient diets aren’t usually recommended and/or do not usually work bc the food still gets contaminated with other protein sources somehow (either by addition of a protein or by machinery that the food is processed on being contaminated). Veterinary diets that are made for allergies are made carefully without contamination and the machinery is cleaned between making different types of food so that it does not get contaminated.

  • Shawna

    How would avoiding a protein one is genetically sensitive to prevent that sensitivity from expressing later when fed as a “novel” protein?

  • Pitlove

    Dr. Wynns point still stands for hypersensitivities. I’m sure she is well aware of true food allergies being rare.

  • Cannoli

    That’s interesting to know. Had no idea that food allergies were that rare. I can breathe a sign of relief

  • Shawna

    How prevalent are true (IgE mediated) food allergies? I’ve read it’s really quite rare.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I agree with Storm’s Mom. I’ve only used the GF Salmon/Sardine/Anchovy formula a few times, but it worked well on my dogs.

  • Shawna

    Dr Wynn makes a very valid point and MANY vets agree to eliminate the novel proteins during routine feeding for those cases where a novel protein would be necessary later on. This would make complete and total sense to me IF true food allergies were really all that common. I believe everyone here will agree that food allergies are really quite rare though. I’ve read that “food” allergies (an IgE reaction) account for only about 1% of allergy cases. That’s pretty insignificant.

    Food hypersensitivities (an IgA or IgG reaction) seem to be far more prevelant than true food allergies. These hypersensitivities can have a genetic factor making the protein being novel or not completely irrelevant.

  • DOGLOVER12020

    Those are the only shots (after 1st puppy ones) that I give my dogs too…….the thought of over vaccinating them scares me.

  • DOGLOVER12020

    I have use their food before……I believe it is a good one…..I rotate brands as I feel sorry for the dogs eat the same thing day after day….I have also used Earthborn and Precise……all really god foods.

  • Crazy4dogs

    I can’t say that I’ve ever used the product, but I have a problem with the fact that onion is in most of the formulas I’ve seen. There are certainly other products out there, like Pure Balance, that you can find at walmart that has a better ingredient panel and costs less per ounce. Here’s the DFA rating on them:

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/pedigree-little-champions-dog-food-wet/

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/pure-balance-dog-food-canned/

  • ResponsibleVoter

    Has anyone here had experience with Pedigree Little Champions ?

  • ResponsibleVoter

    I had no idea of the recall until I found the store’s shelves empty of the product.
    I don’t see any comments from “Megan”.

  • Pitlove

    I would agree that most of Orijen’s formulas are far too “out there”. That is part of the reason I won’t use it again. I think the Adult, Senior, Puppy and Puppy Large would fall under the category of normal due to them being mostly common protein based.

    What I disagree with about Beneful is the use of artifical food coloring and propylene glycol, as well as the added sugar. But what I can say for that food and all other Purina products are that they are nutritionally sound. Purina has the resources and the staff to make sure of that. I would much rather them stick to Pro Plan and not make the grocery store brands, but there is a demographic for that.

    I never recommend Orijen to folks on here or at work with dogs who they believe react to ingredients in food. There are too many proteins and would be far too difficult to determine the culprit. In fact, I really don’t recommend Orijen at all anymore. It’s far too expensive and there are brands out there with compariable meat percents (some brands are even higher) that are cheaper.

  • I hope you’re Canadian then, cause Champion has a new factory and the US will be getting their food from that factory, not from Canada.

  • Rachael Terry

    I’m not sure which one it was.

  • 2378bri james

    what kind of a vaccine? Rabies and distemper is about the only shots I do.
    I kid people that my dogs are Christian Science and don’t do most medical stuff! Sometimes I think the less we do the better off they are, unless they have a serious problem. I have purebred dogs,( rescues) and you would think they need more medical treatment, but Mine don’t. ( I have Dachshunds) I go to a vet that is a bit hands off, and doesn’t seem to want to do lots of unnecessary things , just treat what is needed. I’m very happy with him

  • Rachael Terry

    That could be why then. We don’t have a Costco.

  • Cannoli

    Hi Pitlove,

    Thanks for that article Dr. Susan Wynn brings up some valid points. So if she is correct won’t that make Orijen dog food a worse food to feed than Beneful. After all Orijen uses “exotic” meats. Such as goat, venison, duck, pheasant, and whole rabbit. I base my dog’s diet on the meat formulas of Orijen. As a pup for a whole year I fed him Orijen kibble topped with natural organic exotic meats.

    There is also a school of thought that believes, some studies have shown this in humans that by introducing infants to potential future allergies heps prevents infants to such allergies. I understand dogs are different from infants but it’s just a thought.

  • LabsRawesome

    It’s a Costco exclusive.

  • Rachael Terry

    Nature’s Domain isn’t sold anywhere where I live.

  • Rachael Terry

    Yes. It’s very expensive. That’s what the vet suggested.

  • Storm’s Mom

    Storm’s currently on the Holistic Select GF Salmon/Sardine/Anchovy (with a canned topper that changes every few days), and doing really well on it. This is the 4th or 5th bag he’s had (not in a row). It’s a solid part of my rotation. I’m just not super keen that I have to feed 2 cups/day when I can normally feed 1-1.5 cups/day with most other foods in the rotation.

  • Pitlove

    Hi Cannoli-

    Well respected holistic DVM and board certified Veterinary Nutritionist Dr. Susan Wynn would respectfully disagree with you on the use of exotic proteins for non allergic dogs.

    From her article “Why Rotate Diets”

    “Here is how to rotate diets

    • Change BRANDS (and not just flavors) every 2-4 months for dogs. Cats prefer new flavors often so you can change brands or just flavors within one brand every few days to weeks.

    • Change flavors – use chicken, turkey, lamb, beef and fish varieties. Do NOT use duck, venison, rabbit, pheasant or other exotic flavors. That much variety is unnecessary and these ‘novel proteins’ need to be avoided so that they are indeed “novel” when we need a food your pet has never had before. This can happen even in the management of routine allergies”

    http://www.susanwynn.com/Literature.php

  • Crazy4dogs

    Holistic Select is a decent brand.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Thanks for adding that in Pitlove, I fogot to address that. I don’t feed any Purina products, so I didn’t catch that.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Bob,

    This has been discussed many times on this forum. Propylene Glycol is now used as a less toxic form of Antifreeze. Many of us are aware of this. It is on the GRAS list on the FDA. I’m not one that would ever use a product that contains this and I don’t believe that it should be in any food product, but it is approved for use in foods.

  • Bob Peirce

    Both are ingredients of antifreeze

  • Pitlove

    It is a falsehood that ALL Purina dry products contain propylene glycol. And none contain ethylene glycol. Perhaps you mixed up the two words?

  • Bob Peirce

    do a search on ingredients of antifreeze and you will find that both are ingredients of antifreeze

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Bob,

    Thanks for contributing your thoughts, but Propylene Glycol is the actual product, not ethylene glycol. It is an approved additive that makes foods stay moist and soft. I am absolutely not a fan of this item being added to any products, in spite of FDA approval, but I want the correct facts.

  • Bob Peirce

    I stopped using beniful dry dog food several years ago when all three of my dogs got sick on it. I did an online search and there were hundreds of complaints from people whos dogs either died or had to be put to sleep because of damage done to their systems from at least one of the ingredients. This ingredient is in ALL purina dry dog foods as well. I seasrched all the major and some not so major brands and purina products (beniful included) is the only one to use this ingredient. They claim it helps keep the food moist. I call Bull shitm it makes them eat more of it. This ingredient all pet owners know is poison to their pets. What is the ingredient ? ANTIFREEZE ! More precisely, elhylene glycol or poly ethylene glycol. The affected animals were dying or had to be put to sleep because of organ failure, tumors on their organs and cancers. When a pet finds and open container containing antifreeze they drink and continue drinking it until its gone. It is sweet tasting and entices them to keep drinking. With this in the dog food it makes them eat more and more until its gone therby skyrocketing the companys profit. Don’t believe my story ? Do the online search yourself and find the info just like I did then you will see.

  • Shawna

    Those are actually quite valid points however kibble has had it’s fair share of salmonella recalls wouldn’t you agree? In kibble this could easily happen from a worker not washing after using the restroom.

  • LabsRawesome

    Hi Rachael,
    I haven’t read through this whole thread, so I’m not sure if anyone else recommended these foods.
    Poultry & egg free foods –
    Nature’s Domain Salmon & Sweet Potato 35lbs $33.00
    4health Whitefish & Potato. Not sure on price, but pretty budget friendly.

  • Pitlove

    Megan is an experienced licensed vet tech, not a Purina rep or employee. And if she was why shouldn’t she be allowed to post? Very disrespectful comment.

  • Rubydo

    Blue Buffalo-My dogs thrive on it.

  • theBCnut

    True allergies are only about 1%, however there are other immune issues that are lumped in with allergies that are more common, such as food intolerance and food hypersensitivity.

  • Rachael Terry

    It’s not in our price range. The one the vet wanted us to try was around that price. He never had any problems until he had a reaction to a vaccine. He’s had horrible allergies ever since.

  • Jim H

    What do you think about holistic select dry dog food

  • Liz Murphy

    Hi! Did you know that Natural Balance has Limited ingredients rabbit and other meats too like kangaroo? They have no egg. It’s available at Petco or Petsmart other online. Just trying to help.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Good suggestion. A lot of the regular posters, myself included, rotate on a regular basis. I actually use several brands, types, and protein sources.

    I personally prefer to use one bag of kibble at a time and keep it in the original bag. If you mix 2 together and there is an issue with one, you won’t know what is causing the problem. Also, it’s better to keep kibble in the original bag as airtight as possible, which will reduce oxidation.

  • Crazy4dogs

    Hi Akex,

    I have been rotating my dogs between several good brands along with type (wet/dry/raw/fresh) and protein source for many years. I think the “experienced” people are either protecting their interests and profits or not as knowledgable as you might think.

  • Crazy4cats

    Are you open to ordering food online? I frequently order from http://www.chewy.com. They have a great return policy if it doesn’t work out. The other food mentioned can be found on this site. I was nervous to order online at first, but have had no issues whatsoever.

  • Tammy Pelletier

    Also had good luck with Natural Balance, limited ingredients. Many novel proteins like bison duck, and venison(which. Kind of grosses me out, how do you farm raise and slaughter a timid animal) have never had any luck with salmon foods as it ways says “smoked” makes my dog belch a lot, and if it’s not healthy for us, you KNOW it’s not for them. I did hear that the company changed hands though, which may have affected their rating.

  • Tammy Pelletier

    I don’t get this. Dogs aren’t ” allergic ” antifreeze, it’s toxic and destroys their kidneys . Perhaps I’m missing some satire.

  • Tammy Pelletier

    The latest that I ve read is that these protein allergies are actually only about 1%. It’s actually a sensitivity to chemicals and additives in processed foods. Been There, Done That.

  • laboop

    Sorry!

  • Crazy4dogs

    Rachel Terry, there are many poultry free, chicken fat free formulas, but many contain some form of egg. I know (because I’ve used it) that Earthborn has a lamb formula, Meadow Feast, that doesn’t contain eggs. Wellness Simple Grain Free LID Salmon and Potato also contains no chicken product either. I’m not sure if that’s in your price range, they both run $50 for 28lb (Earthborn) and 24lb (Wellness) on Chewy.

  • Rachael Terry

    We don’t have a Costco. We’ve tried 4health and Taste of the Wild. The others, we’ve never even seen.

  • Rachael Terry

    That’s a store price.

  • Rachael Terry

    He can’t have poultry.

  • Salty2

    Really?!?! So a Vet is not a business huh? So interesting!! They have their bills to pay too! Vets are over-vaccinating, and killing our pets, vaccination is over 90% of their business! Vets have their student loans to pay off, and their practices, and their employees, and their buildings! Oh no, they’re all in it because they love our dogs! Give me a break! You are speaking like a foolish person! Vets are in business to make money! Maybe…many start out with good intentions, but then they have to pay their bill! Go back to your job for Purina!

  • Salty2

    Megan has not treated any dogs! Please do your own research, and don’t just listen to anyone that posts! I think Megan works for Purina!

  • Salty2

    You do not treat any dogs! You work for Purina, who are you kidding?! I have been researching Holistic for 30 years, you have no idea what you are talking about!

  • Salty2

    Dog Food Advisor, is an unbiased company gives Raw Food 5 Stars! If you work for Purina you should not be posting here! Dogs DO NOT have the same digestive system as we do, so go back to your desk at Purina please! Are you a Vet wanna be?!

  • Salty2

    If Megan works for Purina she should not be posting here, unless it’s to help the dogs that got sick on the Purina food!

  • Salty2

    Please… there are at least 20 raw feeder groups on fb, with 1,000’s of raw feeders, not one has even mentioned what you’re talking about! People I’ve fed 3 dogs raw for 16 years, never had a problem. But friends of mine have fed bad kibble, and lost dogs, or had dogs in ER. Megan is far from knowledgeable about Raw, she must work for PURINA! https://www.darwinspet.com/why-raw/

  • Crazy4cats

    Online prices of both Petco and Chewy. It does go on sale often. I guess I’ll have to watch for those now. Petco does have a Rewards program that helps as well.

  • cmrosko

    Regarding raw meat diets – Might be OK if one has control of the quality and processing of the meat source. If not the next best option are large cuts of meat lightly cooked on the outer sides to kill of any bacteria that might be on the surface while leaving the inside rare or raw– bacterial contamination is common in most commercial meat processing plants- It may also be important to consider that taxoplasmosis parasites are sometimes even found in free ranging wild venison these days– something to think about for cat owners too…

  • Pitlove

    Hi Salty2-

    Do you feel those dogs who people with lower incomes would be adopting from a shelter, let’s say, are better off remaining in the shelter until someone who can afford a food “better” than a grocery store brand comes along? What do you believe they are eating in the shelter? Orijen? Acana? Natures Variety? No… far from it.

    I’m sorry you feel low income households do not deserve the love of a pet nor does that pet deserve their love because they can not afford a food that does not come from the grocery store. Perhaps you should head down to your local shelter and take a look at all the dogs suffering in cages who need homes. Maybe that will change your mind.

  • laboop

    I feed my greyhounds the Rachael Ray Zero Grain, Real Turkey and Potatoe kibble, it is also gluten free. They love it. I get it at WalMart and it’s around $22 for a 14lb bag. I have also found it at Fred’s. They love it.

  • laboop

    Can they eat Turkey? I looked on the Rachael Ray Zero Grain bag and they have a Turkey & potatoe flavor. It did not list eggs and it is gluten free. A 14lb bag runs about $22 at WalMart and I can get it at Fred’s also if you have that store.

  • laboop

    My dogs love Rachael Ray’s Zero Grain!

  • Crazy4cats

    Hi Rachael-
    Have you checked out Nature’s Domain Salmon and Sweet Potatoes found at Costco. The website is: http://www.kirklandsignaturepetsupplies.com

    Other brands you can check out are: Sport Mix, Victor, ProPac Ultimates, 4Health, Chicken Soup and Taste of the Wild. I believe they all have a seafood recipe. Good luck to you!

  • LabsRawesome

    I don’t need to be a vet. I just know how to read and comprehend.

  • LabsRawesome

    I’ve never fed it, never will.
    I feel bad for the dogs that are fed Beneful kibble like it’s actually “food”.

  • Cannoli

    It’s not about being a vet. It’s about appreciating the loyalty that your dog gives you. My pup expects 3 things from me 1) not to be abused 2) make time for him 3) feed him. In return he will give me uncompromising loyalty.

    I know the effects of bad food personally. When I was younger I struggled with my weight. I was a junk food addict. As a result my body was paying a terrible damage. I didn’t need to be a doctor to understand the effects that junk food was doing to me. All I needed was a degree in googling. Now years later and after making many changes to my diet I am in great health. Thank you google for showing me what I needed to eat.

    As such I took those same principles and transferred them to my pup. If bad food with bad ingredients was destroying my body in my 20s common sense told me it would do the same to my pup.

  • Cannoli

    That’s good to know that by our dogs digesting propolene glycol we can decrease their allergies to antifreeze.

  • shnzermom

    Yeah ok so your a vet now, move on

  • LabsRawesome

    Beneful kibble has blue 2 yellow 5 & 6 red 40.
    Some of the other amazing ingredients are animal fat, meat and bone meal, propolene glycol, soy, wheat.
    It’s just a train wreck of toxic chemicals and nasty ingredients.

  • Cannoli

    One of the ingredients is “added color” for their adult chicken. A shame they don’t list where they get the added color. Could “Color added” on a food label mean a cochineal beetle extract is used. So the color is derived from an insect. Or could it be from synethetic dyes such as Yellow 5 that requires a warning label in Europe due to the potential harmful side affects.

    Definitely the coloring does not come from spices such as tumeric that would make the food more expensive

  • LabsRawesome

    Wow! Is that price in store or online? I have to admit, I haven’t priced WEF in awhile.

  • LabsRawesome

    I agree it is harder to find a food if your dog has allergies or intolerances.
    I have 3 dogs and 1 has intolerance to grains, which isn’t that big of a deal, I just always buy grain free foods.
    The 15lb bag of WEF is over $30? Is that in store or online?
    Typically kibble is much cheaper in stores than online.
    The other foods I listed are pretty budget friendly tho.

  • theBCnut

    So are you saying that kibble doesn’t get recalled for salmonella?

    In the 14 years I worked, we never had a raw fed dog with a suspected bacterial issue. The only dogs we ever had with bacterial issues were kibble fed that might have eaten a dead animal or drank stagnant water. We also never had a raw fed dog with a blockage from eating a bone, only from dogs that were not used to eating bone every day and didn’t chew them up.

  • LabsRawesome

    Have you ever looked at the review on this site for Beneful kibble?
    All the pretty colors should be your first clue that the food is garbage.
    Your next clue should be the ingredient list.
    A food cannot magically be better than the ingredients used to make it.
    A dog may look fine on the outside, but you can’t see the damage to the internal organs.

  • Rachael Terry

    We assume he can eat fish, but we can’t find anything that’s fish without having poultry/eggs hidden in it somewhere or that isn’t $60+ a bag. The vet suggested on that she uses but we don’t exactly have her salary either.

  • Felita Reed

    Hi Piper!
    I feed my dog ACANA. He likes it and I’m happy with the ingredients. At first, I was kinda annoyed at how much I would spend. Then I started thinking of how much I spend on my own food. If I can spend $300 a month on my groceries, I can spend $40 a month of my dog’s food.

  • shnzermom

    YOUR WELCOME GLAD U LIKE CAPS..Purina is NOT the worse food out there, I see you know nothing !!!..There is nothing wrong with their food, I give some Beneful mix with kibble to my boy and he is in tip top shape..so dont bash something you know nothing about !

  • Cannoli

    I do not base my dog’s diet on the potential fear of future allergies. That’s what the kibble companies have taught us. They taught us to fear. That only kibble companies have the answers and only they know how to feed our pets.

    If and when he dvelops an allergy I will do what I have always done- Analyze, research, vet tests, discuss with peers, and iliminate what is inappropriate. It’s not rocket science. It’s just food.

  • Megan

    I don’t have an issue with dogs getting cooked meat in additon to a nutritionally complete commercial dog food. Yes….some dogs may be able to tolerate it fine and some dogs won’t. Just like you may be able to tolerate steak and I couldn’t. Not 1 food is the best food for all dogs…all dogs are different. The problem with feeding a variety of different types of foods or proteins is that when a food allergy does develop…you have no backup source of protein to resort to because your dog has been exposed to everything. Allergies develop over repeated exposure to an allergen and you can’t be allergic to something you have never been exposed to. So when your dog develops an allergy to a food and you need to put them on a novel protein that they have never had before….good luck racking your brain trying to think of one of those since your dog has already had every exotic protein known to man like kangaroo, rabbit, emu etc.

  • Cannoli

    Hi Megan. The problem that I see in the dog food kibble industry is this idea that dogs should be fed the exact same kibble for the rest of their lives because the kibble is complete and balance. I don’t need google but only common basic sense to realize that this does not sound right. This was before I even got a dog as an adult.

    Yes my parents had dobermans when I grew up and they fed them dog chow. Same brand and same flavor for years.

    Yes some grew to an old ripe age but many also had health issues. But what was shocking to me was how i could never feed them meat, turkey, or fresh made chicken that was leftover from my plate as a child. My parents’ response was that it made them sick. Imagine that these big muscular dogs could kill a man but not handle a simple thing as fresh roasted chicken.

    As I mention in another post my neighbor’s giant mean looking German Shepard’s kryptoonite is fresh grilled hamburger meat. His dog literally poops his insides out when fed fresh cooked meat. Neighbor only fed him kibble.

    What I am saying is that feeding kibble only to a dog for the rest of their lives creates food allergies. We have created dogs with so many food allergies that it is epidemic.

    We need, as responsible pet owners, to feed our pups a rotational diet. Not just rotate kibbles but also feed them home cooked and raw diets too.

    I agree with you on salmonella poisoning. I always cook my dog’s poultry and fish. But I feed him raw organic pasture none hormone red meat of all varieties such as bison, cow, kangaroo, rabbit, emu etc too.

    My vet does not believe in this, which I found it to be shocking. He says kibble only. This is so basic common sense that one doesn’t need a degree from vet school.

    It’s like my human Doctor telling me I should only eat meat flavored dry cereal for the rest of my life in order to achieve a balance complete diet. How ridiculous does that sound to you? But yet many pet owners believe this ridicoulness when their vets tell them that dogs should be only on meat flavored dry cereal.

  • Crazy4cats

    Yeah, Whole Earth Farms prices have gone up a bit. The 25lb bags are around $40 now. I’m going to check out 4Healh now too. I hope you can find something that works for you. Can your dog eat turkey, lamb and/or fish?

  • Rachael Terry

    That’s nice and all until you have a dog allergic to chicken, eggs, and beef. Which is found in like EVERY commercial dog food. We get Whole Earth Farms right now and it’s pretty expensive. So no, not everyone should be able to afford those. We spent more than $30 for a medium sized bag and like $50 for a big one. That’s not considered affordable. Unfortunately the one food we found without poultry has beef, which at the time we didn’t know was an allergen. So he’s still miserable, and we can’t afford anything else.

  • animallover6188

    You know, my mom has had labs, mixed and pure breeds, because Purina has been around a long time, she started with Purina Puppy Chow, moved to Purina Dog Chow. All her labs lived to be 16 plus years old. This lab mix she has, she fed premium brands many have been mentioned. Her lab got cancer at 10 years of age. She got the dog into remission, went to Purina PRO plan, 4 years later…..the dog is cancer free and doing very well. So, from personal experience, I can’t discredit Purina. Money is not an object for her, but she went with the thought of, if it isn’t broke…don’t try to fix it.

  • Pitlove

    This is Dog Food Advisor! 🙂

  • LabsRawesome

    There are many kibbles that use better ingredients and won’t break the bank.
    Tractor Supply has 4health, Sportmix Wholesomes.
    Walmart has Pure Balance, Rachael Ray Zero Grain, Evolve.
    Costco has Kirkland and Nature’s Domain.
    Aldi’s has a new grain free kibble too. It’s sold in 5lb bags only.
    Petsmart has
    These foods range in price from under $20 to around $30
    Everyone should be able to afford these foods.

  • Megan

    Yeah I make this stuff up. How about when you pay to go to an instution where you drive your car to the actual college and get an education for years to get a degree and then get boarded instead of doing your “research online” and post your websites as your comments….that’s maybe when you know more than I do on the matter. Until then no additional comments necessary. Because ya know….everything on the Internet is true. “Dr Google” knows best. Last comment….I’m fairly positive….yes 100% positive that there have been raw meats recalled for e coli and salmonella contamination. Not just because of how the meat is stored at home after purchased. But because of the slaughter process….like when feces from the intestinal tract get on the actual meat.

  • LabsRawesome

    Thank you caps lock hero. I won’t bash them for a voluntary recall.
    But I will bash them for making some of the worst dog foods on the market.

  • mahoraner niall

    It all depends on which raw food you feed and how you store it.
    like if you make it at home with all of your food scraps, of course they will b contaminated! Also if you buy one of those fresh pet tubes and leave it open, of course its gonna get contaminated!
    But if you store it right and get a good brand, like Salty2 said, your dogs can live a SUPER LONG and healthy life!
    Although i do feed dry, I believe that the type (wet, dry, raw) doesnt matter, but the ingredients and whether they are high quality DOES matter

  • mahoraner niall

    i know right!

  • Megan

    I’m glad your dog have been lucky. I have plenty of education about the matter…no additional research needed. I’m just saying what I have had to personally treat medically.

  • shepsperson

    That’s exactly what I have been doing. It’s been working out great. I only wish I had done this with my million other dogs. Poor things are the same meals pretty much all their lives.

  • shnzermom

    FOOD FIGHT..!!!…EVERYONE HAS OPINION ON DOG FOOD..LETS NOT START BASHING ONE PRODUCT BECAUSE THEY VOLUNTARY RECALLED FOOD THAT DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH VIT AND MINERALS..IT COULD BE WORSE..SHEEEEESH PPL GET ON WITH IT! INSTEAD OF FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT DOG FOOD

  • Salty2

    Dr. Karen Becker, a proactive and integrative wellness veterinarian,
    discusses a dangerous practice that seems to be growing in popularity:
    feeding dogs and cats a vegan or vegetarian diet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlN7LDMTjn0

  • Salty2
  • Salty2

    UGGGG! ALL fillers and garbage, allergens!

  • Salty2

    Ummmm….you rally need to check out dog foods. Please go to Dogfoodadvisor, it will tell you everything you need to know

  • Salty2
  • Salty2

    Also sopt using God’s name in vain to try and prove something that you obviously know nothing about!!

  • Salty2

    Is this a JOKE??? Raw softer bones strengthen a dogs stomach muscles! PLEASE do research BEFORE commenting. Thank you!! Dogs DNA is over 95% WOLF!

  • Salty2

    Megan is just making up stuff so she can comment!

  • Salty2

    PLEASE give me a BREAK!! I’ve been feeding raw to dogs for 15 years, I’ve NEVER had a problem! My dogs are all healthy and live to 16 years old! Stop it PLEASE! Do your research BEFORE posting!

  • Salty2

    Exactly! Why even get a dog if you can’t afford to feed it a decent food?!?

  • Christine Daley

    Hi there piper. I personally am a strong advocate for Orijen. I believe the food to be one the absolute best on the market. Champion pet foods only manufacture their Orijen and acana formulas. The difference between the 2 is basically the protein content. Acana has less so therefore less expensive. The ingredients are never outsourced and I am very happy with the different formulas. My pups are very healthy with beautiful skin and coats. Not an advocate of Purina pet products especially beneful or other supermarket brands. Purina pro plan much better than beneful but again not an advocate. Not an advocate of diamond. Lots of recalls at their plant where they manufacture many brands high to low end. This is just my opinion. Orijen may not be for every pup. People just need to stay informed and do the best they can for their pups as there are affordable decent options out there. Do not believe beneful is one of them!!

  • theBCnut

    They are only repeating what the pet food manufacturers that they sell have told them. They definitely aren’t researching for themselves. They are there to sell a product and bring money into their feed store, after all.

  • cherokee517

    I understand that which is why I wonder if the glass found in the human food may also be found in the dog food. Because people get so outraged (rightfully so) when it comes to pet food recalls because they are so frequent if the co just made up a different reason.
    Doesn’t it look better for them to say they didn’t put in enough nutrients and than say they put in glass??? Kind of makes them look proactive not negligent.

  • Bobby dog

    Hi Akex:
    Dr. Sagman recently updated an article about choosing a quality pet food that might interest you:
    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/brand-guidelines/

  • LYDIA

    Wild dogs are primarily carnivores they’re optimized for eating meat. But they do eat some vegetal matter and their digestive systems can handle a certain amount of carbohydrates, found in plants. Domesticated dogs can live on a diet that is primarily plant based.

  • LYDIA

    WRONG!

  • LYDIA

    This is total nonsense! Not too mention there is absolutely no proof that any food is really better than another!

  • LYDIA

    THEY HAVE HAD RECALLS TOO

  • Megan

    Yes I did say that this is naturally what they would eat out in the wild. And people in the veterinary profession have done lots of research into the nutrition that pets actually need….like calcium for example (from the bones they would eat in the wild). I’m not saying to actually give your dog a real bone bc those could cause intestinal blockages and your dog would need to have an exploratory surgery to remove it….but what do i know? What I’m saying is that it is tailored to current knowledge and medicine and what best fits our pets needs….like just adding calcium to the food instead of giving your dog a bone. Things have obviously come a long way since dogs were out in the wild and we know what is better for them now….like not eating raw meat. Our pets are domesticated for Christ’s sake….they are our pets….our babies…and we want what is best for them.

  • mahoraner niall

    wait, so earlier you said that its natural to put an animals organs in dog food since they would eat it out in the wild,
    Do you think dogs would have an oven or a grill to cook all of their meat?
    your making no sense

    Do you think they shuld eat like they were meant to or not how they were meant to. MAKE UP YOUR MIND!! PLEASE!

  • Piper Smith

    So what does everyone think about Acana and Orijen?

  • Akex

    That’s what I figured.

  • Akex

    I figured that. Unfortunately I have come to believe that the very feed stores who introduced us to the higher quality and raw diets in the first place in opposition to the veterinarians recommendations and the big garbage kibble companies are now similarly protecting their own interests. They many times condemn feeding fresh foods and brands they don’t sell but which have good reviews. For instance, none of them acknowledge the issues with edingers, since most of their brands use that cannery. Honestly I couldn’t keep her on the same brand anyway since my girl is a very picky Siberian husky who I have been unable to feed her kibble for more than a week at a time and seems to get turned off to her wet and dehydrated 5* foods every other month. I have been feeding a fresh food for a month now that is being made locally supposedly that’s formulated by a veterinarian nutritionist and sold from the location of the store/kitchen as well as a few feed stores in neighboring cities. I hope this will work out. It’s such a small but fast growing company which worries me a little as there is no big corporation name behind it. http://healthypetkitchen.com So far Lucky loves it., no stomach distress.

  • Pitlove

    In the interest of accuracy- Pro Plan Large Breed Adult comes in a 34 lb bag not 30 and costs $1.19/lb and Purina ONE SmartBlend Large Breed Adult comes in a 31.1lb bag and costs $1.03/lb. So per lb is it only a $.16 difference. I don’t see that as getting ripped off personally, price wise.

  • Megan

    I’ve treated more dogs with organ failure due to salmonella and other toxicities due to feeding raw food diet than I would care to. I’m truly saddened by the fact that your animal would have to suffer bc of this.

  • LoveMyDog
  • LoveMyDog

    Ingredients should be the only thing that matters as long as the nutritional analysis, which is based solely on the ingredients, indicates a proper diet for a dog. I’m pretty sure you and I could talk all day long and find some things we agree on, but for the purposes of this conversation, I think we’re done.

  • Megan

    Apparently you should re-evaluate the vet that you are going to. Or maybe you are just that jaded. The prescription diets sold in a vet office are meant to treat specific diseases and conditions…like low protein for patients with kidney disease so that the kidneys don’t have to work so hard. Many other instances that I can come up with and Pitlove has also stated it well. These diets aren’t or should not be pushed onto an otherwise healthy animal who does not need such specific treatment. I’m not going to waste any more of my time arguing with you bc it’s obvious that it is going nowhere. I’m sorry you feel the way that you do about veterinary professionals who want to pad their pockets….but I have yet to meet or work for a vet who is in it for the money.

  • mahoraner niall

    also im very sad to hear that you could be spending the same money for a much, much higher quality food (not just diamond, like larry echols said, you can get tons of high quality brands for a great price at chewy.com

  • mahoraner niall

    actually costco sells a very high quality food under their kirklin brand. Also my store started selling wellness a week ago, Also all of my local targets have been selling high quality dog foods the past month aswell

  • Jacque Hagedorn

    Origen is at the top along with Acana ! I would never buy an American dog food because they are not as strict as Canada. My dogs love Acana ( same company as origin) I don’t believe they’ve ever had a recall. They are trustworthy. I do Suplement with regular food ( bone broth soup, chicken , chicken liver , I grind up a little Bok choy and add organic pumpkin , green beans and Dr Jones suppliment powder – Ultimate Canine, they do real well. No one can believe they are twelve years old . I would definitely stick to a Canadian brand. Frommes is the only American brand Id buy, but I’m sticking to Acana

  • mahoraner niall

    also i have to admit, iams has done a good job making better quality products (naturalistic brand), but honestly, Pro plan is nothing more than over priced purina one, which is about one tip toe closer to high quality than dog chow, since it still contains artificial colors and low quality grains.

  • mahoraner niall

    Still very sad you believe that waste products mixed with random animal parts is high quality

  • Megan

    Well stated pitlove!

  • mahoraner niall

    i couldn’t agree more.

  • mahoraner niall

    thank you! at least some one has a sense of reality

  • Megan

    “Almost” isn’t the exact same thing. And purina proplan and purina one are both higher quality than that vs dog chow. Which would be a comparable difference cost wise and quality wise.

  • Pitlove

    I’m wondering how it would make these people not smart to purchase a food offered in their vets office?

    You are judging simply on ingredients alone and assuming that ingredients automatically define nutritional soundness for a food. It does not. Many foods offered on the market like The Honest Kitchen, Primal, Nature’s Logic and Grandma Lucy’s nutrient levels fall below AAFCO and NRC minimums, yet have amazing looking ingredient lists. Unfortunetly when fed as a sole diet, long term, could create a nutritional deficency in your dog.

    Vet’s recommend these foods because they are formulated for a theraputic use. Many of these diets can not be duplicated by OTC foods. Let’s take Royal Canin’s Hydrolyzed Protein formula as an example. It is a TRUE limited ingredient food. It contains 3 ingredients before the vitamin pack. The soy protein is broken down into it’s component amino acids, so the likelyhood of the dog reacting is slim, unless they had a true soy allergy. BUT the key to this food that sets it apart from the OTC LID foods is that after each run, RC steralizes the entire machine and all it’s part to unsure their is no cross contamination of proteins. When tested, some OTC LID foods tested positive for proteins that were not suppose to be in the formula. Huge deal breaker for dogs with food hypersensitivities.

    To quote one vet I saw for my allergy dog- “Hill’s makes life saving diets”. She believes this because she has seen it for herself, in her patients, not because she is paid by Hill’s.

    I could just as easily say that the holistic vet everyone near me sees, is paid by Primal, as she recommends feeding raw/Primal and nothing else to every patient and then sends them to the pet store I work at to buy it. Meanwhile she tells them the “horrors” of kibble, yet she herself buys and feeds kibble to her own dogs.

  • mahoraner niall

    actually you dont get what you payed for.

    check the first six ingredients to these purina foods:

    Food A

    Chicken
    brewers rice
    whole grain wheat
    corn gluten meal
    whole grain corn
    poultry by-product meal

    Food B

    Chicken
    brewer’s rice
    soybean meal
    corn gluten meal
    poultry by-product meal
    whole grain wheat

    Notice that the only difference really is that Food B has soybean meal?

    Well what if i told you that food A costs $41 for 30 lbs
    and food B costs $29 for 30 lbs?

    Also what if i told you that Food A is purina pro plan large breed focus and Food B is purina one Large breed smart blend?

    So you are basically paying $10 more for almost the exact same thing.

  • LoveMyDog

    You are mistaken. Vets sell millions of dollars of dog food under the guise that they will help with many minor health issues that could be treated very easily with a better diet and other holistic treatments. As far as your comment about vets not being in the business for money, that is a ridiculous thing to say.

  • Pitlove

    Hi Akek-

    If this helps settle your question for you at all, the top veterinary nutrionists (these are people who have advanced degrees in canine nutrition) in the country have been increasingly recommending diet rotation for healthy dogs. Please note that I said healthy. This may or may not be applicable to an ill dog requiring a special diet.

    They recommend not only rotating proteins (more common proteins, not exotic proteins), but brands as well as each company has it’s own philosophy on nutrition and what levels of each nutrient the dog needs. Not to mention some of the smaller pet food companies formulas fall below AAFCO and NRC minimums on key nutrients. Rotating can create a more complete and balanced diet in the bigger picture.

  • LoveMyDog

    I agree 100% that many grain free, holistic and organic or “natural” dog foods are extremely high in carbohydrates. People need to educate themselves and make proper choices and I can guarantee if they’re smart they’re not going to buy any dog foods sold in a vet’s office. In response to your comment about “people” slandering veterinarians as nothing more than shills for the large dog food manufacturing companies and accusing them of not caring for our pets, I assume you’re directing that at me ? First of all, vets provide a lot of great services, and I never said otherwise. However, If you can explain why vets “prescribe” dog food of junk quality to their clients I’d be interested in hearing your explanation.

  • Pitlove

    A company that tests for not only pathogens, but proper nutrient levels, and recalls swiftly when those nutrient levels are not met, is a good company in my eyes. Pet parents now a days are so easily swayed by a nice looking list of ingredients that they forget to stop and question even for a moment if the food is nutritionally sound or not. They assume that if the food (ingredient wise) looks good, then the rest just falls into place. Unfortuntely that is not always the case and it is the pets that suffer long term.

  • Pitlove

    Hi LoveMyDog-

    You stated that- “Eliminating grains also reduces carbohydrates which dogs have absolutely no biological requirement for”.

    That is a very general statement not applicable to all grain free foods currently on the market. Many “high end” brands of grain free dog food have high levels of carbohydrates.

    I find it sad that people over the internet find it acceptable to slander veterinarians as nothing more than shills for the large dog manufacturing companies and accuse them of not caring for our pets. You have to be a special kind of person to become a vet or even a vet tech and you do not do it with the intention of knowingly selling a product or recommending a service that you feel will harm the animal in any way. Truly a sad show of character of those who feel otherwise.

  • theBCnut

    You have a basic misunderstanding of how recalls work. Purina’s recall is a voluntary recall just like all of Diamond’s recalls. The difference is that Purina recalled very quickly, while Diamond waited until the FDA started to threaten a lawsuit(which is the only way a recall can be forced). I don’t like Purina either, but Diamond is a whole other level of sleazy.

  • M Poss

    FYI:
    Trying to find the exact location (the actual place) the Manufactured food product was made (for animals as well as for humans) has become exceedingly difficult to locate on the cartons, packages, etc.. At times, the only information listed on the food label is the place were it was “distributed”… never where the food product was made, and that really disturbs and angers me.
    Our government was in the process of voting and implementing changes on all food labels, etc., but correct me if I’m wrong, they neglected to include the most vital information which is difficult to find on many packages…the factory and the city, the state, the country, the food product was MADE, not DISTRIBUTED BY Blah-Blah in Bah-blah, NJ?
    Also, all food products made and manufactured in Thailand for animals as well as for humans have a much stricter safety code and safety record that far exceeds our own FDA requirements and standards. Don’t believe me? Do your own research about Thailand’s strict food codes on the web,it put’s our FDA to shame. People automatically assume that if a product comes from an Asian country it’s dangerous, not true. Just stay away from ANY DOG, CAT OR HUMAN FOOD PRODUCTS MADE IN CHINA, that’s the country that killed our DOGS and CATS by ingesting that tainted protein crap!

  • Megan

    Yes…we can agree that all dog foods get recalled from time to time…hence this thread. In my professional career I have seen a lot more recalls from Diamond and all of the foods that diamond owns over Purina and all of the foods that purina has bought. And yes …testing includes “quality control”… products from right here in the ol US of A over products shipped here from china like diamond uses. I’m sorry you think purina is an advertising trap….they really aren’t. Unlike a company like blue buffalo who claims to have no by products. ..but when their product was tested it ws found to have by products. And actually I don’t have a problem with by products since a dog in the wild doesn’t just go for the meat of an animal..it eats an entire carcass…intestines, bones and all which are the “by products”. The only problem I have is false advertising. And with any dog food….any brand in general….you get what you pay for….if you pay low price for dog chow….you get less quality vs paying more for top of the line proplan. Kindof like diamond vs diamond naturals…maybe.

  • LoveMyDog

    Purina products are purchased because they’re cheap and because the people buying them personally have little to no understanding about animal nutrition. They certainly don’t buy them because they’re made with high quality ingredients. It’s understandable that pet owners with a very limited budget try to buy the least expensive dog foods possible, but there are downsides to that decision. A trip to the vet for some unknown intestinal disorder, pancreatitis, diabetes, or worse, can cost hundreds of dollars, sometimes thousands, and where is someone on a limited income going to find the money to pay for that ? People need to seriously consider the costs of owning a dog, and carefully examine their personal expenses to see if there’s something they can go without in order to be able to afford better dog food. Do you drink soda ? Eat junk food ? Get your nails done ? Go to the tanning booth ? Eat out ? Smoke ? Drink alcohol ? If so, can you honestly say those things are more important than taking good care of your dog ? Financial advisors report that most people are surprised to see how much money they can save annually when they carefully scrutinize their personal expenses and realize how many wasteful purchases they’re making. For those who have fallen on hard times, and lack the funds to care for their pets in the manner they used to, they just have to do the best they can. In my personal opinion, if you can barely get by, you should not get a dog. Last but not least, many people think they can only buy better quality dog foods at speciality pet stores but that’s not true. You can order any dog food you want at http://www.chewy.com or http://www.petflow.com to name a couple. If you do a search on Dog Food Advisor and see that the food you’re currently purchasing has corn, wheat and soy as the first ingredients, and animal by- products, and animal fat, you are buying a food that will not nourish your dog and in fact will ultimately create diseases. Having said that, if you decide to do your own research, please understand that just because a dog food says it’s grain free, or holistic, or natural, doesn’t mean it has the right percentages of fat, protein and carbohydrates. Many expensive dog foods are loaded with carbohydrates so scrutinize them carefully so you don’t waste your money under the guise of doing something better for your dog.

  • Megan

    Cats are obligate carnivores…dogs are omnivores just so you know. And no I don’t think that someone standing at Walmart or Sam’s Club needs to call their vet for recommendations but also someone standing at Walmart is not buying Canidae or nature’s valley either. And there is a lot of misinformation out there on the great world wide web that everyone uses to “research”…so maybe talking to a professional is what you should do if you have questions. I can assure you that there is no vet out there who has had little to no training on nutrition as it is a requirement in veterinary school. Veterinary prescription diets sold to veterinary clinics which in turn are sold to consumers are made and tested by veterinarians themselves. And are not sold to a regular, healthy pet….they are meant for extenuating circumstances like renal disease or gi disease or allergies to name a few. I assure you that nobody in the veterinary medicine field is doing it for the money. They do it for the love of animals. An lvt is a licensed veterinary technician….someone who has gone to an accredited school and then taken national and state Board exams to become licensed or certified or registered. I make less money with my education than my husband with no education after high school. I struggle to make ends meet to have a roof over mine and my family’s head and a reliable car that can get me back and forth to work….and maybe we eat ramen noodles bc they are cheap and my dogs nutrition is more important than my own but that’s OK with me bc I love my job and I love helping animals. It’s not about the money. : )

  • ProudAmerican9

    What is deemed “unfit for human consumption” is used to make pet foods so the companies still make money off of things that should be thrown in the garbage. How utterly disgusting!

  • ProudAmerican9

    Exactly. Their products are all crap that cause poor health, behavior issues and early deaths. Never feed this junk to any living creature. Dogs thrive on their correct diet – raw meat/bones/vegetables.

  • mahoraner niall

    Purina is a terrible dog food company
    check out my comment on pro plans page, i mention that the ingredients are almost exactly the same as purina one.
    Also, just because purina tests their products, doesn’t mean that their food is good quality!!!! Also, yes, the term natural doesnt mean healthy. BUT, i really dont care what the front of the package says, i only care about what the ingredients say. Diamond pet foods chose to name it diamond naturals, not me.

    Also, Diamond (not diamond naturals) recalls alot of food. but diamond naturals has hardly ever been recalled. Although purina has been recalled dozens of times.

    Im very sad to hear that you have fallen into purinas advertising trap.
    Maybe you should ream my (and many others) story on the dog chow page of how it almost killed my dog.
    Then right when i switched to castor and pollux, she started getting better, then they got bought by purina so i switched her to diamond naturals, and now that i have more money she is on wellness, and ever since i switched, she has been lean, healthy, energetic, and happy! She was never that way on dog chow.

    Anyways, my point is that all companies have recalls now and then, and that just because a company tests their products, doesn’t mean that it is good quality!

  • LoveMyDog

    People buy grain free foods for a variety of reasons the least of which is to avoid allergies to grains. Dogs are carnivores and as such they require meat protein to be healthy; not plant proteins. Eliminating grains also reduces carbohydrates which dogs have absolutely no biological requirement for. Companies that sell dog foods that contain wheat, soy, and corn are making a fortune because they’re using dirt cheap, low quality ingredients. As far as questioning someone’s credentials to be able to recommend dog food, do you really think when someone is standing in Walmart, or Sams Club they have to dial up their vet before they make a decision ? Perhaps a vet who has received little to no training on animal nutrition but instead peddles prescription junk foods that companies that Hills and Royal Canin market to them to sell in their clinics to increase their profits ? Honestly, any good pet owner can research and learn how to feed their own dog. BTW, if you’re going to sling your title around, you might want to spell it out. What is an Ivt ?

  • Kristy Vaughn

    Thank you for the helpful information!

  • Megan

    @Rebecca… I’m wondering what your credentials are to be recommending certain brands of dog food? I am an lvt and I wouldn’t recommend either of those brand for any of my clients/patients. I feed my own dogs purina proplan and recommend it for my patients as well. Purina is 1 of 4 companies that actually tests their products….unlike Canidae and Nature Valley. The other 3 companies are Eukanuba/Iams, Hills/Science Diet and Royal Canin. All of the other companies who do not test their dog food leaves YOUR pets to be their “guinea pigs.” Buy into the entire “natural and grain free” gimmick if you like…but don’t try to lead others to do the same when you aren’t actually educated about what you recommend. Not nearly as many dogs have grain allergies as most people think they do….and the term natural means nothing in the labeling. Anyone could say anything is natural….a bag of grass clippings and feces included. Btw…arsenic is “natural”…doesn’t mean it’s healthy. And @mahoraner….diamond is one of the lowest quality, most recalled foods on the market. I would not recommend it to anyone!

  • Larry Echols

    I’m also on a fixed income, and I have a Great Dane and a Boxer to feed. I buy Eagle Pack from chewy.com for $40 for a 30 lb. bag. The company sent me $35 worth of coupons to help me save $5 a month for the next 7 months.
    I feed my dogs a mixture of their canned and dry food, both are highly rated on this site.
    There are ways to save, and still feed our furbabies good quality food. I did my research, and then chose the best food that I could afford.

  • theBCnut

    They are completely full of s**t. Don’t listen to a word they say, not one. I have rarely heard anything stupider.

  • Akex

    What do you think about that? Gosh I thought I was doing the right thing rotating and mixing brands. I really can’t ask a vet since they only recommend hills and royal canin and I have never had my girl on that stuff.

  • Akex

    I liked mixing different brands say a can from one 5* brand one day or as an add on with another kibble from another brand, even on different days, for the sake of balancing out any deficiencies. However the very experienced and knowledgable feed store employees/owners said I should only mix different flavors/proteins but all from the same brand. Now they sell me all these foods so I don’t think there would be a bias in telling me to only use the same brand. They claim it is unhealthy and damaging to the gi system because they all use different supplements in the foods. I have heard this from at least 3 stores that only sell top quality brands of kibble, can, dehydrated and raw, fresh foods

  • mahoraner niall

    I agree that Rebecca Wood Alworth was very rude, but Kristy Vaughn, you do not need to spend any more than $0.95 per pound to get high quality dog food.

    You can get diamond naturals on chewy.com for $38.00 for 40lbs And the ingredients are great and all from USA (except for the lamb which is from New Zealand)
    And most of their foods get 4 star ratings on here. Also there are many more but that one is the most common
    Also you get free shipping with orders over $49 on chewy, so i usually got 2 months supply of treats (since the food lasted 2 months for my dog) And the total added up to i think it was $51.95? And if you have a smaller dog the food would last longer.

  • mahoraner niall

    Come on people,
    what else would you expect from purina! Especially beneful!
    I dont know why everyone thinks this is so strange, beneful already had low nutrition levels anyways.

  • shnzermom

    So how did they discover there was less vitamins & minerals? I add this to kibble, doesn’t sound like a big deal, could be worse

  • Kristy Vaughn

    Rebecca, The comment you made about “people who CLAIM to love their dog” is very rude & judgmental. It isnt out of convenience, but necessity, for some of us that cannot afford to spend the $ on more expensive dog foods & do not have the luxury of shopping at your specialty snob dog boutiques. My dog is my only child & definitely eats better than me. I am single & due to poor health am not able to work & earn the income I once did. Would it have been better for me to leave my dog in the shelter & not rescued her?! I am glad Beneful is taking the initiative to test & notify us of these things. This is not the only food my dog eats. but has definitely been part if her diet. Just like our human foods…Blue Bell icecream, digoiurno’s puzza, lean cuisine, Stouffer products, pistachios, etc., even through research, we never know what anyone is doing, intentionally or accidently to our food products.

  • cherokee517

    I’m not so sure I’m buying their reason for this recall. I just saw Nestle is also recalling DiGiorno, Lean Cuisine, Stouffer’s due to bits of glass that may be in the foods.
    Very suspicious that Nestle would have 2 recalls of very different things on the same day.
    Now I’m not sure if the dog & people food are made in the same facility, but I can see why they wouldn’t mention certain problems w/ dog food given their less than stellar history on that. Vit & min sounds more benign.

  • Don

    That’s actually a really good idea.

  • Rebecca Wood Alworth

    It also points to why we should research everything we give our dogs, dogs have no say so, they rely on us to keep them safe and there has been numerous reports through the years of Purina brand dog food either making dogs sick and causing dogs death, but people that claim to love their dogs continue to feed it because it’s convenient. There’s small boutique pet stores all over that carry premium dog food and it’s not that much more. The two brands I recommend is Canidae grain free pure (which is a kibble) & Nature Valley Instinct Raw.

  • LabsRawesome

    I agree. I feed a mix of canned,kibble, and fresh food daily.

  • Johngaltil

    This recall points up why you should not feed a single vendor’s dog food. If they screw up a trace component your dog is at risk. You are much better off feeding a mix of two foods from two different manufacturers. If you mix them every meal you will not upset the dog’s stomach (changing can do that) and its almost impossible that both of them will screw up the same nutrient. We keep a big popcorn can and mix two dog foods in it then feed from it.

    if you want to see how this can and has happened in human babies google ” chloride deficiency baby food” Any artificial food can be unbalanced by a formula or manufacturing error.