How Nutritionism Corrupts Commercial Dog Food

GFETE, naw Mikey! You are the best darn doggie daddy/pally Wally! Jubles is one lucky girl!!

Hey Mikey!
Your doing a great job, and it shows! Your good on the enzymes and I’d brobablymgive half the coconut oil at the same rate. Instead of a tablespoon, 1 – 2 teaspoons. The rest looks good. But I’d defer to Shawna, if she recommends anything different. Especially concerning balancing omega 6 & 3s.

This article annoys me greatly. Why? Because I agree with the message of the article but hate the fact that the author hands “Nutritionism” over to the big brand multi-national companies producing inferior products. Nutritionism can (and should) encapsulate everything the author want to see in a modern kibble (or any other food with some level of processing), but instead it’s killed off.

Hi Shawna,

Nice turn of conversation. vaccines are a significant and very real vector for impaired health in our pets. Here’s a coupe of excerpts… Note the first one is on humans but multiple resources stated that adjuvants for humans are safer than for livestock…  These examples are just a peek…

“A Glimpse into the Scary World of Vaccine Adjuvants
By Edda West  - Published in VRAN Newsletter – Winter 2005

  http://www.vran.org
Adjuvants are formulated compounds, which when combined with vaccine antigens intensify the body’s immune response.  They are used to elicit an early, high and long-lasting immune response.  ”The chemical nature of adjuvants, their mode of action and their reactions (side effect) are highly variable in terms of how they affect the immune system and how serious their adverse effects are due to the resultant hyperactivation of the immune system. While adjuvants enable the use of less *antigen to achieve the desired immune response and reduce vaccine production costs, with few exceptions, adjuvants are foreign to the body and cause adverse reactions”, writes Australian scientist Viera Scheibner Ph.D,   (1)

The most common adjuvant for human use is an aluminum salt called alum derived from aluminum hydroxide, or aluminum phosphate. A quick read of the scientific literature reveals that the neurotoxic effects of aluminum were recognized 100 years ago.  Aluminum is a neurotoxicant and has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological disorders. Prior to 1980, kidney patients undergoing long term dialysis treatments often suffered dialysis encephalopathy syndrome, the result of acute intoxication by the use of an aluminium-containing dialysate. This is now avoided using modern techniques of water purification.  In preterm infants, prolonged intravenous feeding with solutions containing aluminum is associated with impaired neurologic development. Scientists speculate that aluminum neurotoxicity may be related to cell damage via free radical production, impairment of glucose metabolism, and effects on nerve signal transduction. (2) Vaccines which contain both aluminum adjuvants and mercury based preservative, greatly magnify the neurotoxic effects. (3)…” http://www.vaclib.org/basic/adjuvants.htm

Immunology and Cell Biology (2004) 82, 488–496 Special Feature Vaccine adjuvants: Current state and future trends NIKOLAI PETROVSKY1 and JULIO CÉSAR AGUILAR2 1 Autoimmunity Research Unit, ANU Medical School, Australian National University, Canberra, ACT 2061, Australia and Vaccines Division, Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, Ave. 31 e 158 y 190, Cubanacán, Apdo 6162, Ciudad, Habana, Cuba 2 Summary 

“… In addition, alum has the potential to cause severe local and systemic side-effects including sterile abscesses, eosinophilia and myofascitis, although fortunately most of the more serious side-effects are relatively rare. There is also community concern regarding the possible role of aluminium in neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s disease. ..

…Adverse reactions to adjuvants can be classified as local or systemic. Important local reactions include pain, local inflammation, swelling, injection site necrosis, lymphadenopathy, granulomas, ulcers and the gen- eration of sterile abscesses. Systemic reactions include nausea, fever, adjuvant arthritis, uveitis, eosinophilia, allergy, anaphylaxis, organ specific toxicity and immunotoxicity (i.e. the liberation of cytokines, immunosuppression or auto- immune diseases).22,23 Unfortunately, potent adjuvant action is often correlated with increased toxicity, as exemplified by the case of FCA which although potent is too toxic for human use…

…Adjuvant regulatory requirements Regulations for the human use of adjuvants are far more rigorous than those applied to veterinary vaccines..

…Quil A has been used successfully for veterinary applications. 44 It is a natural product composed of more than 23 different saponins and is generally considered too toxic for human use…”

Anybody miss that? They’re putting known poisons in animal vaccines that are too toxic for humans! Now, take another look at the list of the known toxic effects from adjuvants that are deemed safe enough for humans!!

Steven Andrews,

I’ve read over the comments, twice. I am astounded by the amount of misdirection you attempt to use! I mean really? “wolves live a 1/4 of the lifespan of dogs…” did you even look that up? Both dogs and wolves have lifespans of 20 years.
Wolves, in the wild survive about 10 years. Not bad for an animal that hunts, scavengers and fights to survive, with no veterinary intervention. Now, here’s the shameful part. Dogs live 8-12 years on average. Don’t you think if vets were doing a better job of proving medical care, recommending specie appropriate nutrition to pet owners and beneficial pest management practice, that domesticated dogs would have a dramatically longer life span? But the fact is they don’t!! That tells me there is something dramatically wrong with the standard practice of veterinary care and animal nutrition!!

When I took an FBI course entitled “How to Tell When Anybody Else is Lying,” they had a saying, “Little Lie, Big Lie.” It means if you’ll lie over a little thing, you’ll lie on the big things… Lying by omission and inference is still lying. It makes everything you have to say suspect…

I’d like to point out something else. For human doctors, the CDC reports that data from 2004 attributed 250,000 deaths to correctly prescribed medication, and listed ‘death by doctor’ as the fourth leading cause of death in the US. I wonder what results would turn up if they actually tabulated deaths in animals attributed to veterinarians? How about health harm from prescription drugs given to pets? You can argue about protein, +/- causing KD all you want, but there is no argument, even by pharmaceutical companies, that many routinely prescribed veterinary medicines cause KD. How many cases of KD by Rx have you omitted mentioning the cause to the pet owner? How about seizures? If you’re a vet you should know the incidence of seizure due to applying top line flea & tick control like “Advantage” or “Frontline.” Yet, vets routinely prescribe this and say nothing. Then, when the pet starts having seizures, the vet prescribes more toxic meds. Most vets never tell the pet owner that it was due to the pesticide that they prescribed. Lying by omission is still lying…

How can you wonder why we don’t trust vets like you that wallow in their arrogance like a pig in the mire? Did you even read any of the many excellent references provided to you here with an open mind? If you would, you could learn something and become a better vet, and nutritionist.

I am very proud of everyone here who mounted these very factual, honest defenses to your multiple fallacious charges. You could have entered this discussion, and contributed positively to it. Instead, you attempted to beat everyone into submission by misrepresenting the truth. *shaking my head from side to side* /:-(

Steven stated that renal failure is the #2 cause of death in dogs and cats. Could that be at least in part because so many dogs and cats are being fed inferior quality, overly processed, and species-inappropriate food?

Thanks for your excellent, objective work on this site, Mike. And thanks for your reference to “In Defense of Food.” I recommend this book to everyone who eats.

Lectins in corn

“The main reason that corn causes obesity is the lectins (antibody-sized proteins/glycoproteins) it contains directly stimulate fat production. Here is a great primer on lectins for you- http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html . As the article describes, these lectins can do a number of things when they attach to a tissue cell in our body. One of the reactions is for the cell to duplicate or hypertrophy, which is what fat cells do in response to corn lectins. The glaring example of this is how corn feeding cattle not only fattens them up but causes them to deposit fat directly into their muscle. Do you want fat in your muscle? Absolutely not….

Finally, corn is now being closely studied for its damaging neurological effects, especially in the autistic individual. Once again, certain lectins are capable of killing neurons. We know that gluten can do this in sensitized individuals so we really should not be surprised that corn lectins can do the same thing.” http://dogtorj.tripod.com/id110.html

This is in humans and therefore more protein restriction but I’m interested in the amino acid comments in the quote — plant/plant or plant/animal creating more or excess amino acids for the kidneys to deal with.

This is quoted from the Medical Dictionary.
“Because of buildup of nitrogenous wastes from protein metabolism, dietary intake of protein may be severely limited. If any protein foods are allowed they should be of high quality; for example, eggs, milk, and cheese provide all of the essential amino acids in relatively small quantities.” http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/uremia

Oh, two more things.

How long do wolves who eat an ancestral diet live? About 1/4 that of most dogs.

I didn’t share my email address because I don’t want to be marketed to, for whatever it is that you were going to try to sell me.

Steven Andrews,

Your information is incorrect and misleading — at best..

“Protein” DOES NOT CAUSE kidney disease nor does it contribute to kidney disease once renal failure has set in…. In fact, the recommended diet for a kd dog (or cat) is a “high quality” protein.. PHOSPHORUS is what damages kidneys and grains are a significant source of phosphorus. The ONLY grains that should be fed to a kd dog is sushi rice (aka glutinous rice) or Cream of Wheat (Farina).

High quality probiotics and prebiotics acts as a “nitrogen trap” which causes some of the blood urea nitriogen and creatinine to be rerouted and eliminated via the stool sparing the kidneys. This allows for an even higher protein diet to be fed.

Lower quality proteins (like by-products) as well as vegetable and grain proteins actually contribute more to kidney disease then high quality meat sources. Why, because the amino acids are used in groups by the cells of the body. The amino acids in meat have a better biological value then do those of plant sources. No matter how well you combine there will be extra amino acids that are not utilized and become BUN for the kidneys to filter.

By the way — my puppy was born with kidney disease. We noticed polyuria and polydipsia before she was even weaned. She was weaned onto raw meat hamburger and has been on a high, raw meat protein her entire life. She wasn’t officially diagnosed with chronic kidney disease til her one year blood work. She turned 5 years old the end of June 2011 and NEVER requires veterinary interference. We manage her disease with diet and with whole food, glandular (animal source) vitamins and nutraceuticals.

Quality, animal based protein does not cause kidney disease and dogs with kidney disease do not benefit from reduced “protein” amounts unless uremic — phosphorus yes. This information has been out for over 10 years and by this time should be mainstream information…

Steven, I feed my cats all sorts of nice things and they still manage to catch (and devour) a few rabbits every week. And just because social structure is conductive to hunting behavior doesn’t mean a readily available food source will stop that behavior. And given the horrendous quality of Ol’ Roy, I doubt any cessation of hunting would occur.

Wolves are not omnivores. Look at their dentition. Compare it to that of a bear, which IS an actual omnivore and yet in the same order.

Steven,so what foods do you recommend?What do you feed your dogs??

Mike

Your information is misleading, as well.

Protein sources do not matter as long as the animal receives all of the necessary amino acids. These AA’s can be gained from both carbohydrate and meat sources. AA’s from carbs are just as digestible and valuable as those from other protein sources. An animals body cannot tell the difference between an arginine (AA) molecule from oatmeal vs. an arginine molecule from chicken. Meat does have all of the essential AA’s, so is considered a complete protein. A pet food would need to contain animal protein, or a combination of vegetable and animal protein to meet their AA requirement. A vegetarian diet will not do it.

“A dog’s natural ancestral diet”? My assumption is that you are referring to wolves. Wolves eat meat because that is what is available! That, combined with the fact that their social structure means the pack is less likely to survive if they must rely on berries, roots, plant matter, etc. If you dump a bag of Ol’Roy in the middle of a pack of Alaskan wolves on a regular basis, you will develop a pack that will cease to hunt.

Wolves and dogs intestinal tracts are consistent with other omnivores. They are omnivores and can, therefore, digest & benefit from both meat & plant matter.

If you took the time to understand the science instead of marketing your view, perhaps you would have a better understanding of why 98% of vets, pet nutritionists and animal scientists feed and recommend high quality foods that fall outside of your recommendations.

I hope this helps your readers pets.

I am president of Arusha Pet Foods Inc., manufacturer of premium quality raw cat and dog food. Noticed mention of where to find raw in Ontario. The Dog House in Toronto carries our line and Katoby Distribtion is starting to distribute our products to all of Ontario later this month. 5 years ago there were over 200 retailers carrying raw food in Ontario.

Wishing you the best health for your pets.

Mike, I’ve started gathering data on it, I can’t remember how many I’ve collected. (I made a mistake though, its not 5 grams..I’ve now got data that supports reactions at 5 mM.) it’s fascinating. Which is why I pursue all this stuff.

I may write a paper for you yet. Maybe Shawna and I will collaborate!

Sure, e you on the down low!

Thanks Mike for taking so much time to clarify your position. I see your dilemma. I did not have quite the right perspective.

In actual fact, people can already get lists of ingredients that are known to cause MSG reactions. That info can be obtained from Jack’s site, truthinlabeling.com. Jack is an associate of Dr. Russel Blaylock, Neurosurgeon and author of “Excitotoxins, the Taste That Kills, and of Dr. George Schwartz, Toxicologist, the author of “In bad Taste, The MSG Syndrome Complex” Adrienne Samuels, who co-authors the site, is a Ph.D. It is very well done, with extensive citation. The lists are broken down by degree of reaction. It’s not so much about wether it’s in there, as to how sensitive the individual is. So the lists classify ingrediants that Ellicite an adverse response in all MSG sensitive individuals, those ingredients that cause reactions in more sensitive individuals and those that cause reactions in the very sensitive. Incidently, natural flavor is listed in the second group. So, there is no reason for me to duplicate that material.

Thanks for the opportunity to discuss this very important topic, and for your integrity to what you are doing. I sure appreciate it.

P.S. I did find 3 very reputable, peer reviewed studies documenting brain lesions caused by low dose glutamic acid exposure in dogs… They noted for the duration of the study, nothing close toa lifetime, that .5 grams was significant to see a reaction. One is on Jack’s site already. Just so you know.

Dave,
You might want to try some Canadian Companies such as Petcurean (Go& Now), Champion Pet foods, Horizon. I don’t know if you have to have canned only or dry or raw? I am sure there are some Holistic Vets in Toronto and some places like Trailblazers (a chain), perhaps go on some of the websites and see what might suit you. Yes, lots of raw food companies to choose from on the Mainland, in Vancouver, however I live on Vancouver Island, so some things are limited.
Take care and good luck in your search.
S.

I think this is an example of where a forum could come in handy. I see Mike’s point here and I certainly see Toxed’s point here..

As a person that has diagnosed brain damage due to excitotoxins like MSG and aspartic acid, I take the conversation very seriously…

I started having symptoms at age 12 — I frequently would black out – lose vision in both eyes (ocular migraine). I was taken to neurologists and MDs but no diagnosis ever made. The neurologist that ordered the MRI (in my early 30′s) discovering the brain damage diagnosed it as idiopathic (no known cause). It wasn’t til several years later when I started seeing a new M.D. that had read the book “Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills” by Neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock was the connection made.. I hope that got the attention of some the taste that KILLS.

The thing that I question with “natural flaroring” — what the heck is so proprietary about “broth” and “liver” that it can’t be disclosed? Is it that the liver is hydrolyzed — which makes it just like MSG? The definition Mike lists absolutely wreaks of freed glutamin and asparatic acid. It may not be in EVERY suspect ingredient but I bet it’s in most. Why the big secrecy if its not?

Insignificant amounts — because it bioaccumulates, even insignificant amounts can add up (Dr. Blaylock discusses how in the CBN link below). It is KNOWN to be in Brewer’s or Nutritional Yeast — a fact, likely to be in carrageanan, natural flavor etc. Small amounts from multiple ingredients can add up too.

My sister-in-law gets migraines from only small amounts of MSG. My chiropractors wife gets gout a day or two after consuming MSG. Christy Pooschke runs the website “Compltely Nourished”. MSG caused her fibromyalgia. Aspartame is discussed in Janet Starr Hull’s book “Sweet Poison”. She developed hyperthyroid due to aspartame. Her doctor was ready to irradiate her thyroid. She made the connection, quit diet sodas, and her uncurable disease was miraculously cured…. hmmmm (methanol is in aspartame too so not sure if methanol poisoning could have been an influence as well?). I’ve already left science based research articles on its link to multiple sclerosis, cancer, dementia etc.

The symptoms and disease conditions can be very diverse. In fact, in this CBN news article a connection to stroke, heart attack, asthma, heart arrhythmia etc is discussed. http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/110755.aspx

Its up to the consumer to get these disease causing ingredients out or our and our pets food supply. The only way to do that is through awareness.

Manuel, M.F., J.H.A. Abalos, and C.D. Solis (2002). Some acute behavioural and physiological effects observed in local Philippine dogs voluntarily fed with monosodium glutamate (MSG) in the diet. Philippine Journal of Veterinary Medicine 39(1): 50-51. ISSN: 0031-7705.
NAL Call Number: 41.8 P53
Abstract: Twelve 4- to 7-month-old Philippine nondescript dogs of both sexes were fed monosodium glutamate (MSG) in the diet in quantities varying from 0, 5 and 10% of the amount of food given, using the Latin square design. Both physiological and behavioural parameters were examined in all animals an hour before and after feeding. Doses of MSG as high as 10% did not induce any noticeable change in the behaviour of the dogs. On the other hand, some temporary physiological changes such as tachycardia, vomiting and excretion of dark-coloured faeces were observed in 10 of the dogs.
Descriptors: adverse effects, monosodium glutamate, poisoning, toxicity, dogs.

Mike,
I have heard your point. You don’t wish to throw the good out with the bad. Neither do I. Its a good pointnand one that I have wished there was more information available on. Which is why I called manufacturers of dog foods that had otherwise, good ingredients and asked them if they had free glutamic acid. My experience has taught me that “all the human food that listed Natural Flavors, that I’ve checked, has been harmful. But, there are those that could be acceptable… I couldn’t taste test them all! Too risky & painful!!!

You stated, “…is the amount clinically significant?” That struck me as a very important concept and valid question. My offer to write a report would be targeted on providing the information to your viewers as to ,

“what percentage of glutamic acid would have to be present such that it would be clinically significant.”

That way, if they felt it was important to them, they could call and inquire as to the actual percentages of free glutamate in a specific food. You wouldn’t have to add it to all your articles. No one gets thrown under the bus!

The good manufacturers get recognition, and pet owners who are struggling with health problems that could possibly be related to free glutamic acid, have access to info that helps them make an educated choice. Doesn’t that seem like a valuable addition to your site?

Of course, this is predicated on the assumption that the manufacturers have run a quantitative analysis….

Anyway, I also saw your comment about needing research that was dog specific as relevant to “apprpriate clinically significant values.”

I am listening.

Hi Mike,

I was just off reviewing updates on truthinlabeling.com It’s a site run by Jack Samuels and his wife Adrienne. Jack used to work for the FDA and out of his inside knowledge of the misinformation campaign concerning MSG, vs. the facts, began the site. He cites many peer reviewed studies and states that the original testing was on animals.

That’s something that surprises me that people forget. Research doesn’t have to be specie specific to be accurate. Jack even posted a couple of letters he received from pet owners relating their dogs reactions to MSG. I’m well aware of the FDAs statement on MSG. It’s similar to the FDAs regs that allow corn and wheat in dog food because they are GRAS. There is so much in depth, documented evidence on the FDA complicity in promoting MSG that can be accessed on Jacks site. You can also find cited research on the known toxic effects. I would use additional citations from reserch that I already have as well as being willing to search for more.

The one thing that my paper won’t do is spend the time to convince you of the industry/FDA bias. That is already very well done on Jack’s site. If you’re interested, (in your spare time, TIC) you can find it there.

I shall accept your challenge! I’m off to find a peer review article on MSG reactions in dogs! LOL

I spoke to the western Canadian distributor and they said it was a problem with the old distributor and Eastern Canada does not have a distributor anymore. They Western distributor offered to ship it to me on Greyhound so I may take him up on that offer next time. I called Natures Logic as well and they said it will be a while before they can get it back into Eastern Canada.

Hi Dave,
I think that there are many more Holistic/Naturopathic Vets in the Toronto area than I would have here in Victoria. I lived in Torana many moons ago and there were not many then, however that being said because it’s soooo big (I call it concrete city now), depends on where you live in Toronto.
If you go online and search Holistic Vets. in Toronto, you are bound to find someone who advocates raw feeding or dehydrated raw. You should have some pet food chains that carry raw foods like Pets4Life, Tilson farms(?) Arusha, Carnivoria. Also if you check out raw dog food suppliers in Ontario, there should be alot and you won’t have to import.
If you want dehydrated raw you can get NRG, Honest Kitchen, Canisource (check the raw food section on this website).
Good luck, S.

Your Welcome! And I certainly respect the logistics. How about an article along the same lines, giving the readers the information that they can make an accurate comparison to, when they call and inquire with the manufacturer, themselves?

I’ll write it and you can edit, or even veto it if you don’t like it or want to include it on your site. (as long as you realize, it will take me some time to put together as I have multiple irons in the fire too.)

Those are good reasons, and I understand what you’re saying. Unfortunately, they don’t list it on the bag. And they get beligerent when you call them and ask for a quantity. The reason I bring it up is that previous to being pesticide poisoned I developed MSG sensitivity. EVERY item that I tried, that had ‘Natural Flavor’ elicited a major MSG response. Trust me, back then, I didn’t want to give up my tasty food items any more than the next naive guy. But every single one eliciting a reaction, (even when I really didn’t want them to)?! There’s more than a trace of MSG in “Natural Flavor.” There’s enough to keep people (and pets) addicted whether you have an obvious reaction or not.

If I can get a quantity for you on how much free glutamic acid content is equivalent to how much MSG, and we can get a few responses from producers, would you consider red flagging it?

It does Mike,
however, before I found your site I just did the digging myself. I called several of the manufacturers of otherwise excellent looking kibbles and talked to them about what and how they arrived at their claim that their natural flavor contained No MSG.

Here’s the skinny, L-glutamate is a naturally occuring substance in carbs and proteins. As long as the amino acid bond remains intact, the glutamate’s chyrality remains safe, or life building. Once the amino aid bond is broken, it becomes free glutamic acid or D-glutamate, aka MSG. D-glutamate is an excitotory neurotoxin. The way the bond is broken is by processing. In the body, hydrochloric acid, etc. in the gut unbinds it. However, the gut doesn’t unbond very much. Just a trace. Just like its supposed to, to supply just what we need. In industry, they discovered that if they process with high heat, including with pressure, or long heat or enzymolisis, they can release a substantial amount of free glutamic acid. This is an addictive substance which makes you crave/eat/buy more.

Now, by law they don’t have to label it as MSG, because they didn’t purchase it as MSG. It can legally be labeled as “natural flavor” and they can ‘legally’ state that here is no MSG. The question that you must ask is, “What are your levels of free glutamic acid?” or “Does your product contain any free glutamic acid?” I have called several companies that list “natural flavor”, both dogfood and human food. There is free glutamic acid present, every time. They will concurrently tell you that their product contains ‘no MSG.’ But they either don’t know they are the same or are just playing word games that the labeling laws allow. The same process releases Aspartic acid, also an excitotory neuro-toxin, aka aspartame. You don’t have to take my word for it. I’ll be more than happy to provide expert toxicologist and Neuosurgeons citations. Dr.s Swartz and Blaylock. I believe I’ve even got the appropriate US Code of Federal Regulation archived around here somewhere.

Dave M………
Where do you live ?
S.

Thanks Mike,
If only I could convince some people and Veterinarians that I know!. It’s like tunnel vision and the most frequent comments I encounter are,” My Vet. said my dog should eat the same food all it’s life” ( usually a low grade Vet kibble), my dog will die from raw food because of the EColi and Salmonella. I have heated conversations with my conventional Vet. (he has emergency night service), he seriously thinks because large breeds are living to what he considers a “ripe old age” of 11-12, it’s the foods like Royal Canine, Science Diet or Purina that are doing it.( he gave me a blank look when I said they probably should live to be 14-16 on more meat and less grain) When I showed him a bag of ” Acana Light and Fit” last year that I had my Norwich on when she had a weight problem ( by the way he wanted me to use his Prescriptive Grain laden stuff), his comment was ” Now where would they get free run chicken”, no company could afford to buy that! I was thrilled that the food worked and I felt comfortable feeding it to her. As you know from my previous comments I am doing a rotation of NRG Maxim, she (the dog) looks great and for me it’s the step toward raw when I can find one I am really comfortable with, although I can make my own with Dr. Becker’s book and a few others I have. I also go to a Holistic Vet who is very much in tune (likes NRG and promotes it) with raw feeding, he had several cases that he could not rectify when he did just conventional medicine and when he tried alternative (raw, chinese med. accupuncture), he saw amazing results. Not to say it’s for every dog, as with people, but it’s more in tune to my way of thinking, these days anyhow. In case you are not aware I believe that they ( some raw dog/cat food companies) here in Canada are trying to form together for better practices and possible regulations covering raw dog/cat foods, ( see Mountain Dog Food?) so perhaps we are getting there slowly!
S.

Great article! Only one thing Mike….you’ve got 2 consecutive “from”‘s in the first paragraph under the heading “Dogs Eat Food — Not Nutrients”. Or should I say, you had 2 consecutive “from”‘s, at the time I read it, lol.

aimee – Does this article resonate with you?