Comments on: Understanding Dog Food Nutrient Profiles http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dog-food-vitamin-mineral-standards/ Saving Good Dogs from Bad Dog Food Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:04:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jan_Mom2Cavs http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dog-food-vitamin-mineral-standards/comment-page-2/#comment-53762 Jan_Mom2Cavs Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:27:00 +0000 http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/?p=1890#comment-53762 It may be perfectly fine!  Just make sure they get plenty of moisture, either by plenty of water or adding moist food to the dry.  Also, monitor their coat/skin, stools, urine to see if they are normal.  And make sure not to overfeed.  Many toy dogs and seniors do great on Orijen....it is "top of the line". It may be perfectly fine!  Just make sure they get plenty of moisture, either by plenty of water or adding moist food to the dry.  Also, monitor their coat/skin, stools, urine to see if they are normal.  And make sure not to overfeed.  Many toy dogs and seniors do great on Orijen….it is “top of the line”.

]]> By: Hperry3 http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dog-food-vitamin-mineral-standards/comment-page-2/#comment-53755 Hperry3 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:50:00 +0000 http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/?p=1890#comment-53755 Is 38% protien too high for a 12 yr. old and 2 yr. old Yorkie?  I'm using Orijen Senior. Is 38% protien too high for a 12 yr. old and 2 yr. old Yorkie?  I’m using Orijen Senior.

]]> By: Becky http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dog-food-vitamin-mineral-standards/comment-page-2/#comment-52891 Becky Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:18:00 +0000 http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/?p=1890#comment-52891 My dog has liver failure due to copper toxity.  Is there any dog food that does not contain copper in it's ingredients? My dog has liver failure due to copper toxity.  Is there any dog food that does not contain copper in it’s ingredients?

]]> By: Shawna http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dog-food-vitamin-mineral-standards/comment-page-2/#comment-52681 Shawna Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:23:00 +0000 http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/?p=1890#comment-52681 Hi Yenlengchia ~~ Was there protein in the urin?  If only small amounts or none at all then no it is not advisable to feed a low protein diet in the early stages of kidney disease.  Instead, you want to feed a diet of "high quality" protein but lower in phosphorus.  Protein doesn't damage the kidneys of renal dogs but phosphorus can.  In the early stages you don't have to go LOW phosphorus but lowering phos is advaisable.  Feeding low protein will cause more harm then good. Kibbled foods are not advisable as dehydration is an issue with kd and kibbles are dehydrating.  Either feed canned, home cooked or raw.  I feed my kd girl raw and have for the last 5 plus years.  Always keep fresh clean water available. A high quality probiotic (like the one on Mercola Healthy Pets or Garden of Life's Primal Defense) and a prebiotic (like Fiber 35 Sprinkle Fiber) will help keep the blood clean with a process called nitrogen trapping -- which will allow for an even higher protein diet. The below linked website is the most informative site I have ever found on all things related to dogs and kidney disease.  Also explains how low protein is NOT necessary.  Here's just one quote from the site --- "Feeding the Older Dog from the SpeedyVet Clinical Nutrition Library "The assumption was that low-protein diets retarded the progression of renal degeneration. This assumption was disproved, using partially nephrectomised dogs, which showed no uraemic signs and had reduced but stable renal function for 48 months. These dogs did better on moderate-protein diets than on low-protein diets. There is no direct evidence that high protein intake damages canine kidneys or that reducing protein intake in dogs with renal dysfunction results in preservation of either renal structure or function."   And "Kidney Failure from the Iams nutrition symposium “'For years, physicians and veterinarians have treated renal failure by reducing protein levels in diets,' said Gregory Reinhart PhD, an Iams researcher. 'After working with leading universities, we have now found that restricting protein in a dog's diet may do more harm than good by potentially putting the companion animal at risk of protein malnutrition.'”   http://www.dogaware.com/health/kidneyprotein.html There's tons more references about the low protein myth as well as diet recommendations, medications etc.  Excellent site!!! Do let me know if you need more info.  There is much I have not included as this is already too long.. :) Hi Yenlengchia ~~ Was there protein in the urin?  If only small amounts or none at all then no it is not advisable to feed a low protein diet in the early stages of kidney disease.  Instead, you want to feed a diet of “high quality” protein but lower in phosphorus.  Protein doesn’t damage the kidneys of renal dogs but phosphorus can.  In the early stages you don’t have to go LOW phosphorus but lowering phos is advaisable.  Feeding low protein will cause more harm then good.

Kibbled foods are not advisable as dehydration is an issue with kd and kibbles are dehydrating.  Either feed canned, home cooked or raw.  I feed my kd girl raw and have for the last 5 plus years.  Always keep fresh clean water available.

A high quality probiotic (like the one on Mercola Healthy Pets or Garden of Life’s Primal Defense) and a prebiotic (like Fiber 35 Sprinkle Fiber) will help keep the blood clean with a process called nitrogen trapping — which will allow for an even higher protein diet.

The below linked website is the most informative site I have ever found on all things related to dogs and kidney disease.  Also explains how low protein is NOT necessary.  Here’s just one quote from the site —

“Feeding the Older Dog from the SpeedyVet Clinical Nutrition Library “The assumption was that low-protein diets retarded the progression of renal degeneration. This assumption was disproved, using partially nephrectomised dogs, which showed no uraemic signs and had reduced but stable renal function for 48 months. These dogs did better on moderate-protein diets than on low-protein diets. There is no direct evidence that high protein intake damages canine kidneys or that reducing protein intake in dogs with renal dysfunction results in preservation of either renal structure or function.”  

And

“Kidney Failure from the Iams nutrition symposium “’For years, physicians and veterinarians have treated renal failure by reducing protein levels in diets,’ said Gregory Reinhart PhD, an Iams researcher. ‘After working with leading universities, we have now found that restricting protein in a dog’s diet may do more harm than good by potentially putting the companion animal at risk of protein malnutrition.’”   http://www.dogaware.com/health/kidneyprotein.html

There’s tons more references about the low protein myth as well as diet recommendations, medications etc.  Excellent site!!!

Do let me know if you need more info.  There is much I have not included as this is already too long.. :)

]]> By: Yenlengchia http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dog-food-vitamin-mineral-standards/comment-page-2/#comment-52674 Yenlengchia Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:14:00 +0000 http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/?p=1890#comment-52674 Hi Shawna, My 14.5 yo Jack Russell was recently diagnosed with mild kidney problem (Bun: 60 & Crea: 1.4) and given Royal Canine Renal kibble & can. His vet recommends low protein diet. I keep seeing from some Renal sites that keeps saying normal or high protein is ok for renal problem dogs. Is it really true? Am confuse. Wonder should I continue with his prescription diet. But I intend to get Wellness topper to add as supplement on top of his prescription diet which he dont really like. Please advise. Thanks. Hi Shawna,

My 14.5 yo Jack Russell was recently diagnosed with mild kidney problem (Bun: 60 & Crea: 1.4) and given Royal Canine Renal kibble & can. His vet recommends low protein diet. I keep seeing from some Renal sites that keeps saying normal or high protein is ok for renal problem dogs. Is it really true? Am confuse. Wonder should I continue with his prescription diet. But I intend to get Wellness topper to add as supplement on top of his prescription diet which he dont really like. Please advise. Thanks.

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